The Pentagon announced on Tuesday that the US will begin training 100 Ukrainian soldiers how to use Patriot missile defense systems as soon as next week on US soil at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.
Patriots are considered the most advanced US-made air defense system. Maintaining and operating one battery requires about 90 soldiers, and military experts say training takes about six months.
The Ukrainians are set to receive an expedited version of the training, but US military officials say it will still take “several months.” The US pledged to give Ukraine one Patriot system as part of a $1.85 Billion weapons package announced in December. Germany has also announced that it will be sending Ukraine a Patriot missile battery.
POLITICO first reported in December that the US military was considering training Ukrainian forces on the Patriots inside the US, a plan that will deepen Washington’s involvement in the war. The US has been training thousands of Ukrainians how to use US-provided weapons at its bases in Germany and elsewhere in Europe but hasn’t had similar training inside the US since Russia invaded Ukraine.
Russia strongly warned the US against providing the Patriots to Kyiv, saying the systems would become a target for Russia’s armed forces. But like most Russian warnings, it was ignored, and the US continues to escalate military aid, most recently by pledging Bradley Fighting Vehicles for the first time as part of an arms package worth over $3 billion.
I’m feeling psychic…. I feel a war in our future…..
A global thermonuclear war
Possibly…
Probably 😐
“a plan that will deepen Washington’s involvement in the war ” – it was a 100% US war from it’s beginning in 2014. Both coups 2004 and 2014 were organized by US. Merkel and Hollande, who sabotaged Minsk Agreements, also were taking orders from Washington the same as Boris Johnson who went to Kiev in April 2022 with mission to force Zelensky to abandon the negotiations with Moscow. It is American imperialistic war for the dominance of Eurasian continent. That’s why Russia and China stay together.
I do not comprehend how some people here and elsewhere maintain the fantasy that this isn’t Washington’s war.
The only training the Ukrainians need in operating the Patriot is 1) how to turn on the radar, and 2) how to run, because shortly after the system lights up some number of HARM missiles are going to be headed toward it. Warnings you can ignore, missiles you can’t.
That’s the whole purpose of the training. Shoot, move, communicate. Take out the threat without been hit utilizing a synergistic effect with other surface to air defense systems working as early warning and back up counter measures.
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe. Tell it to the coroner.
Is that your wonderland escape line?
No, I’m comparing your string of techno adjectives to Jabberwocky. “Synergistic” is one of my favorites. If war was a Power Point presentation your kind would asset leverage the optimization right out of it.
It’s still a word but you point is well taken.
So how soon do Rooskie suicide drones attack Oklahoma. We have conducted strikes deep into Russia so that Rubicon has been crossed. “Load them drones in next to the fentanyl!”
“POLITICO first reported in December that the US military was considering training Ukrainian forces on the Patriots inside the US, a plan that will deepen Washington’s involvement in the war. The US has been training thousands of Ukrainians how to use US-provided weapons at its bases in Germany and elsewhere in Europe but hasn’t had similar training inside the US since Russia invaded Ukraine.”
The Russians are ok with the US training Ukrainians on this system, and other US provided weapons, in Germany but not Oklahoma? Why? Are those systems more lethal when the training is in the US?
“The Russians are ok with the US training Ukrainians on this system, and other US provided weapons, in Germany but not Oklahoma” – where did you got such an interesting information from?
“US to Begin Training Ukrainians on Patriot Missiles in Oklahoma Next Week The training will be expedited but is still expected to take a few months”
Will Ukraine exist in a few months?
Regardless, a Patriot missile cost between $3 and $6 Million depending on the model. One patriot battery contains between 4 and 16 missiles. They are very expensive and still cannot intercept hypersonic missiles.
The biggest drawback is that the Patriot is not a mobile system. It will sit in a fixed location with a fragile radar system making it vulnerable to attack.
Add to these issues you must fire two Patriot missiles at each inbound target.
What is the success rate of the Patriot?
“The Army initially said the Patriot achieved an 80 percent success rate in Saudi Arabia and 50 percent in Israel against the Iraqi Scud. Those claims later were scaled back to 70 percent and 40 percent.”
Sure but then the Russians have very few hypersonic missiles and have fired them very few times so not the biggest threat – given the high cost of the Patriots the Iranian drone seems a bigger threat.
So not sure about the value of the Patriot outside the propaganda one.
My guess is that the future operators of this system won’t be long for the world once they get back home.
Every time I read the article title, I kinda laugh. It just sounds so funny and strange…
On 10 January 2023, in the late afternoon, official media sources of the Russian Wagner PMC stated that the cirty of Soledar had been liberated by Russian units. Soledar was one of the key points of defence of the AFU in the East of Ukraine.
It happened on 10 January 2023.
Correct ive changed the date.
Russia was truly sleeping behind the wheel since 2014. Now they have lots of catching up to do.
On 19 September 2014, “Russia’s Leader Putin Rejected Ukrainian Separatists’ Aim to Become Part of Russia,”, “The leader of the Ukrainian separatists says that their efforts to get Russia’s President Vladimir Putin to accept their territory as being a part of Russia have been firmly rejected by Putin’s government; and, so, ‘We will build our own country.’”
And, ever since then, Putin has been very clear in all of his communications with Merkel and other foreign leaders, that Russia would not accept that region as being a part of Russia. He also made clear his reason: He wants the people in that region — who had voted 90%+ for a neutralist person, Yanukovych, to lead Ukraine — to remain within Ukraine’s electorate, so as to provide the necessary moderating element and counterbalance to the rabidly anti-Russian racists that were placed into power in Ukraine by Obama’s February 2014 coup.
In other words: before the SMO not only was the Ukrainian government not at war with the Russian government, but Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, was doing everything he could to prevent such a war from occurring.
Now that the Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin has accepted the Donbass into Russia this signals a big change in Moscow’s position. It means that Moscow is now at war with NATO and the West.
Why is this place always teaming with Commies? Good lord, I don’t support our quest for WWIII but it takes two to tango. Ever hear the song, man in the mirror? Perhaps you should play it for Putin and Jinping. When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. Chew on that for a while.
Chew on that and wait. Maybe Chinese liberators will come and liberate you from neocon’s yoke.
Thats an oxymoron. There is not liberation of the Chinese. Only tyranny.
“Commies.” Whenever someone uses that term, particuarly in relation to Russia, it is a sure sign that they don’t know what they are talking about.
Jackie; My answer to your question is: they will team up with anything anti US because they want to see the West fail so they can say, ‘see, I told you, I was right.’ But all under the cover of “I’m Pro Peace or Antiwar.”
These are the kinds of things I heard before Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria, and all we have to show for trillions of dollars and thousands of US military deaths is some Syrian oil.
Since you are repeating your crap, I will repeat mine.
Before: The US is the shining city on the hill.
After: Why do they hate us so much?
The kind of patriotism that you are promoting changed Before to After in the past. Your brand of patriotism is likely to be a LOT more expensive this time
Well, I’ll take it a step further and state they are likely state actor trolls from somewhere outside of the US doing exactly that. Promoting division and distrust in the US government. But it’s to an absurd almost comical degree that no rational person I know is going to relate with and suddenly feel motivated to change teams over. The world is an a very dangerous place. The US government is most certainly a bully and has it’s own issues with corruption.
What the world needs right now are rational, fair minded, humane, decent leaders. We get Biden, Jinping, Putin. It’s like following 3 lemmings off of a cliff if you don’t get a guide in front of them. There are no global statesman left. It become clear to me that once Shinzo Abe was brutally executed, there were very powerful forces at work to put us on track for WWIII.
The evil global banking cabal that really runs the world show are going to have their war, and it’s going to be horrific if a new crop of diplomats can’t save them from themselves. I don’t have any faith Jake Sullivan is going to be that guy for us.
And Jinping, has absolute power in China. In some twisted ironic way, in my mind at least, if Ukraine can succeed against all odds at thwarting Putin and embarrass Russia, it could lead to his own fall from power. But I really fear, if things get to that point, Jinping will step in and help them.
What bothers me most about all of it is we have the technology to make life better for everyone and have forever lasting peace on this planet now. Everyone could be fed and clothed that wants to be. We could clean up the environment. Build automated networks to set people free of manual labor. Engineer farming and biodiversity to create a planet that would last for generations.
The hippies had one thing right.
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one
Well stated, cheers to that.
What a load of crap. I’d hardly consider Lennon to be a hippie either.
On 10 January 2023, in the late afternoon, official media sources of the Russian Wagner PMC stated that the city of Soledar had been liberated by Russian units. Soledar was one of the key points of defense of the AFU in the East of Ukraine.
According to several reports, the NATO Ukronazi 46th airmobile brigade, one of the most elite NATO Ukronazi units has been wiped out. These reports also indicate that 17 Battalions have been wiped out, approx. 20,000 to 25,000 troops. It was a meat grinder.
The Russian liberation of Soledar does threaten the NATO positions in the city of Bakhmut/Artemovsk. Another meat grinder. the cities of Soledar and Artemovsk are locating smack in the middle of the NATO Ukronazi defense lines.
Here is whats really going on…….NATO is fighting Russia down the the last Ukrainian while Russia is not fighting NATO down to the last Russian.