Ukraine has made major requests for new weapons it wants from the US, including a longer-range missile system, as it plans to launch more offensives in 2023, The Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.
According to a document presented to US lawmakers, among the weapons Ukraine wants is the Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, a surface-to-surface missile system that has a range of about 190 miles, significantly longer than any arms Washington has provided Kyiv up to this point.
The US has previously denied requests from Ukraine to send ATACMS over concerns they could be used to target Russian territory. But Washington has demonstrated throughout the conflict its willingness to escalate support for Kyiv despite the risk of provoking a response from Moscow.
The HIMARS systems that the US has been sending Ukraine have a range of 50 miles and were provided with the condition that they won’t be used to hit targets inside Russia, although the restriction doesn’t apply to Crimea, which Moscow has controlled since 2014.
The document says that Ukraine is seeking a total of 29 types of weapon systems and ammunition from the US for “offensive operations.” They include tanks, drones, artillery systems, more ammunition for the HIMARS, and more Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
Ukraine’s requests come after a successful counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv oblast. Russian forces were outnumbered in the region and withdrew from the area, allowing Ukraine to gain significant territory.
The White House said Tuesday that the US is preparing a fresh weapons package for Ukraine that may be announced in the coming days. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin announced the latest arms package last week and stressed the US and its NATO allies will be supporting the war against Russia for the “long haul.”
The only thing you can hope for is when WW3 starts a lot of key players that contributed to all this die along with the millions of innocent life.
Make sure you tell that to Putin and his crew. They are the ones using hypersonic missiles and making Nuke Threats.
Get up-to-date from decades ago
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/09/no_author/dangerous-crossroads-americas-plan-to-wage-nuclear-war-against-non-nuclear-states/
Ahem. I do not know if you have any idea what was in the Pentagon papers. You see, not only did we drop tons and tons of bombs from B-52s, in our “game plan” there were plans to use tactical nuclear weapons on the VC. When we fire off our ICBM today, as was announced last week< don't you think that is a threatening move? Get real. We have used nukes, and we have no compunction about using them again. Full stop.
Recorded conversation between Nixon and Kissinger: “Henry, we’ve got to nuke them!”
If hostile forces were on our borders, we would be making “nuke” threats too.
True, we do know it, at least people with a brain do.
To own nukes is a thread, no need to say it, why else produce them.
The nuclear weapons are not meant to be paper tigers, see Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
They are meant to be a deterrent and only if others believe it does it work.
“*billions”
two or 3 of those and no more Kerch bridge, then you have 100,000 trapped Russians with no food no fuel no ammunition and no blankies with winter coming.
troll alert
This is how the Red Team here pushes back. If not Red Team is a Troll.
You and I see things differently. But I haven’t called you a troll because your posts aren’t 𝐬𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐥𝐲 intended to inflame and antagonize.
And your standard pushback of “Putin Lovers” is what? Plus, you apparently added “red team” to your catalogue.
Yep, the new characterization of all you Russia supporters. Very few people here are truly antiwar. The vast majority are just Ukrainian haters/Putin lovers. Neutrality and objectivity is non existing.
I’m with the underdog here. The new Russian’s Palestine.
I’ve never seen you going after your Red Teammates.
Once again, equating war to a sporting event. You’re pathetic. I’m antiwar. The fact that I give my opinion on a war that has broken out doesn’t change that. Unlike you, I’m not “with” anyone. I guess your head just can’t be penetrated to understand what I’ve repeated ad nauseum. Diplomacy is the answer and the reason it’s avoided is because the US/UK don’t want it and are willing to sacrifice Ukraine. Even a stooge like yourself can’t deny that.
We’re (myself anyway) anti-war insofar as American involvement, and are against efforts to fight in an effort to control most of the world, either militarily or economically. As a citizen of the United States I know we should pay for and fix our own problems before funding an installed Regime/Dictator in Ukraine or elsewhere.
How DARE you compare Russia/Ukraine with IsraHell/Palestine.
Russia: good existing military.
Ukraine: military boosted by billions of dollars from western nations.
Israel: military boosted by billions from Amerikkka.
Palestine: kids with stones.
As for “Team Red”: you’re clearly not aware that Russia is no longer communist.
Then what happens? You keep thinking Russia is Iraq.
Tell billionaire Nazi Zelensky to go to hell.
He is a dictator selling his nation, he will go to hell, Hitler is waiting for his company.
“Ukraine Seeks Longer-Range Missile System From the US for Future Offensives. The Ukrainians want the Army Tactical Missile System, which has a range of about 190 miles”
If Washington is that stupid then they will reap what they sow.
I have news for you. They are that stupid.
I have news for you. They are that stupid.
You got that right!! In spades!!
Ukraine Seeks Longer-Range Missile System … for Future Offensives.
right then. because true victims always have a plan to go on the offensive
When they have been invaded and if they are lucky enough to be able to, certainly!
They (the installed Regime) were killing their own people.
No there was a civil war and the parties were fighting each other – significant difference – and at least as important, the civil war
was at a much calmer phase than what was the case in 2014 – so no justification for the invasion.
No – there was not a Civil War anymore than there was a Civil War in Iraq when the mongers used the old “killing his own people” bs as one of the many bogus reasons to bomb, kill and invade.
Then what were the Minsk agreements? Kiev Junta has been relentlessly attempting the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass for 8 years, tens of thousands have died.
The Rand Corporation documented the process which included concentration camps where re-education or murder would occur.
Also the Rand Corporation documented the collapse of the EU/Germany as a necessary outcome of the Nazi coup in Ukraine.
That the US has committed a crime does not justify that the Russians commit a much worse one – the US as a country did not gain from the Iraq war and has not acquired any territory as a consequence – hence the Iraq war has not attracted many countries to copy the US.
“A much worse one.” Jesus, how in the world can you even print that? Even if one is against all wars regardless of their reasons, you can’t possibly say the US was under ANY kind of security threat from a third rate military on the other side of the world. Compare that to the encroachment of a hostile military alliance on Russia’s borders or 30 years of provocations since the cold war ended. Plus, there were certainly groups that benefitted mightily by the US invading Iraq. You know that thing called the MIC. And the reason others don’t copy the US is because they don’t spend wildly enough to be able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops and military equipment on the other side of the planet.
Right on!!!
Not the reason that the SMO is worse than any war the US has inflicted upon any other nation since the cold war – the reason that the SMO is worse is that, if not sanctioned then all countries desiring the liberation of their country men on the other side of the border (and importantly the natural resources they live upon) will copy Russia once China starts the clock by taking back Taiwan.
Would have been ever so much cheaper to pay them directly – they only scored a small share of the total cost of that war – so no there is few (if any) states that sees that as an example to follow.
No it is because that did not turn out to be a project that enriched the US (even if the MIC profited). Mind you the MIC would profit far more by allowing the Russians to take Ukraine as the sales of US weapons would skyrocket – as indeed they have even though Russia should seem less of a threat now.
Had the Russians not been resisted the defense budgets would have gone up for many years in the future.
“Not the reason that the SMO is worse than any war the US has inflicted upon any other nation since the cold war – the reason that the SMO is worse is that, if not sanctioned then all countries desiring the liberation of their country men on the other side of the border (and importantly the natural resources they live upon) will copy Russia once China starts the clock by taking back Taiwan.”
Right. Because, just out of the blue, Russia decided to invade Ukraine because of their countrymen on the other side of the border. 30 years of provocations had nothing to do with it. NATO encroachment? Zilch. Constant war games on their borders? Nada. The coup of 2014? Imaginary. So, it only goes without saying that that will be duplicated if we can only get someone to play the role of the US/NATO and instigate it.
“Would have been ever so much cheaper to pay them directly – they only scored a small share of the total cost of that war – so no there is few (if any) states that sees that as an example to follow.”
This is why I don’t like having conversations with you. You split up my comment to make it sound like it wasn’t part of the same point. I’ll just say the MIC profited big time and never gave a rat’s ass about “enriching the US”. And I’ll stick with what I said about mobilizing our forces on the other side of the globe. The two are related. So, of course no other states CAN follow our example for obvious reasons. But nice spin job.
Every other nation has been the target of such provocations so they can all justify their SMO just the same – so what reason Putin gives matters not one iota.
Which is why no or very very few countries would consider copying the US and hence why their wars while deeply wrong are less of a proliferation problem.
No spin – just a consistent view that wars of territorial conquest are a much larger problem than wars for regime change – given the incentives that they create – a point you have not addressed.
“No spin – just a consistent view that wars of territorial conquest are a much larger problem than wars for regime change – given the incentives that they create – a point you have not addressed.”
Actually, that was the spin I was talking about. You’re just giving an opinion based on the criteria you want to use to whitewash the US invasion of Iraq to make the pipsqueak Russian invasion, that would have barely registered on our “Shock and Awe” meter, look worse.
You must be blind – I have consistently condemned the US invasion of Iraq – if you cannot read or understand what I write I see no point in debating with you.
I understood. You also downplayed it compared to Russia’s invasion by using criteria that would make it seem as though our 30 years of destroying Iraq is somehow less than Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. As if a certain type of warfare kills less people or destroys less infrastructure. You didn’t want to use criteria like that because it wouldn’t fit your narrative. We did two wars and 12 years of sanctions and we still refuse to leave. There is no comparing at this point. We win, hands down.
I put the difference in focus:
– the one is a very evil deed done by the US with very high costs to the US taxpayer and only a small fraction of those costs gained as revenue for some companies in the MIC – and hence very little chance of any nation on earth wanting to copy in.
– the other a very evil deed done by Russia with significant payout for Russia over time if not resisted and sanctioned – with near guarantee that if not sanctioned then China will copy it by taking back Taiwan and as they do so many other nations will likely also take back territory they feel belong to them.
So the US invasion of Iraq is not in itself in any way better than the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it is ever so much less damaging for the hope of a more peaceful world – that is the only way I ‘downplayed’ the Iraq war.
No the individual war does not but the one will lead to no copy cat activity the other will lead to loads of copy cat wars.
There I have just explained it using that very criteria – the one war is only worse than the other because what it leads to – I’m really sorry if that was not evident to you.
We could not agree more – the US war on Iraq is about as bad a war as they get – but no comparison to Russia’s war in Ukraine, simply because the US war in Iraq is a shit show for the US economy no matter what time scale you apply.
Don’t have to “gain” territory, but when you control their future you don’t have to occupy. For example in Syria we can still “steal” their oil and in Europe we still CONTROL NATO. And, when will we honor the wishes of the Okinawans to get the hell off their island?
I suppose you fell for the bullshit about “wanting women to vote” in Afghanistan, or all the other propaganda put out by our State Media at the direction of the policymakers as to why we are continually at war?
In any case, how is this or other recent militarism on our part, any of our business other than an attempt to be the boss of the world?
Confusing answer:
1) we can steal the Syrian oil, but crucially we would not have to if Syria was annexed
2) US does not control NATO there any one country can spoil this as Turkey has shown with Finland and Sweden
3) Okinawa is an example of persistent occupation of parts of the island so an example of the opposite
No I was against the war in Iraq (both of them) and the War in Afghanistan too why would you suppose anything else?
I’m a Dane, I have no problem condemning plenty of the actions of the US, that the US does bad things does not in anyway excuse Russia for doing worse things.
And yes wars of territorial conquest is an order of magnitude worse that the wars of regime change and other sordid wars the US have carried out since 1990. It is so because only the US can get away with stealing Syrian oil so they do not even have to invade, whereas if a country annexes territory and is not sanctioned for doing so then any other country can and very likely will be encouraged to do so causing SMO copy cat operations all over the globe.
Then what were the Minsk agreements? Kiev Junta has been relentlessly attempting the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass for 8 years, tens of thousands have died.
The Rand Corporation documented the process which included concentration camps where re-education or murder would occur.
Also the Rand Corporation documented the collapse of the EU/Germany as a necessary outcome of the Nazi coup in Ukraine.
In reality, we caused the civil war in Iraq. The neighborhoods were integrated before we invaded. Not so much afterward. Ethnic cleansing replaced that.
I think he was sarcastic, to separate it from reality one better marks it /s
I think he was sarcastic, to separate it from reality one better marks it /s
First you need to understand that for Russia this is not a war, its a Special Military Operation. The objectives are to Disarm and DeNazify the Western powers, and then Ukraine. Russia is fighting NATO in Ukraine hence the war of attrition.
Secondly the civil war is with the people of the Donbass who could not live under the fascism of the NATO Junta in Kiev. This civil war has been ongoing for 8 years. Kiev Nazi’s (NATO) have relentlessly attempted the ethnic cleansing of the Donbass and tens of thousands have died.
Thirdly to defeat the Nazi’s in Ukraine the Russians must first defeat the Nazi’s in the West (NATO/EU).
In Syria we have NATO paid jihadists, in Ukraine we have NATO paid Nazis.
So not a war but a war of attrition?
So a civil war – well at least you got that part right. But what is it we call people who elect a Russian speaking person of Jewish descent – and kick the last rightwing extremist out of parliament – because last I looked it was not Nazi.
If that is the case then the Russians are going about it in a roundabout fashion – does not much matter they will lose anyway if that is their actual goal IMO.
Nazis who do not think that the Slavs are sub human and have no issue with Jews – so not actually Nazis but nationalists.
What you accuse the Ukrainians of doing is what the Russians have declared a desire to do – mind you the Ukrainians have not been doing it and the Russian speaking people of the 2/3’s of Luhansk and Donetsk they held did not get ethnically cleansed.
Stepan Bandera……………..
Ivan the Terrible!?
After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing Nazi organisations were rewarded with control of four ministries. For example, Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU), which later changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and Security Council. (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA renamed the organisation to “Svoboda,” meaning “Freedom,” to make it more acceptable to Americans.
Dmytro Yarosh, Right Sector commander, was second-in-command of the National Defense and Security Council. This is the man who organized and ran Ukraine’s February 22nd Coup in Kiev, and the May 2nd Massacre of Its Opponents in Odessa, for Barack Obama. Yarosh’s teams carry out the most violent operations for the CIA in Ukraine. They are responsible for the atrocities committed in the Donbass, for the crimes against humanity.
Oleh Tyahnybok, co founder of the SNPU and party leader of Svoboda, A self confessed Nazi. He opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second official state language; called for the lustration of former communist officials. He also proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II.
Washington had chosen to spearhead Nazis into positions of authority. Under a “regime of indirect rule”, however they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation, from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO. From fabricating an “invasion,” to the claims of “threatened” lives, to the labeling of Russians as “subhuman,” Yatsenyuk recited fully the script of Nazism used to justify its various historical crimes against humanity.
Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine are not fighting an “invasion,” but constitute an invading force themselves, making incursions into eastern Ukraine and holding territory only through unmitigated brutality against local populations clearly collaborating with armed self-defense forces intent on resisting Kiev’s Nazism.
After the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych there was a transitional administration for some months until an election could be held – following that election some far right parties having won votes enough to have representation in parliament formed a new government. Those parties lost their last members of parliament in 2019 – so are the fact that they were in government from 2014 to 2019 the justification that Putin invaded in 2022?
Do you have any links to the UN reports documenting these events?
What was his position in the Zelenskyy government prior to the invasion and does he have a position now?
Again documentation needed to assess this assertion!
I have no problems accepting that there are confused would be Neo-Nazi’s in Ukraine just as there is in Russia like the likely Wagner group founder Dmitry Utkin.
By definition a country cannot invade itself – and again documentation for these assertions is missing so if you are proposing that this is the justification for the Russian invasion then document that this was happening or getting worse in 2021.
“To initiate a war of aggression,” said the Nuremberg Tribunal judges in 1946, “is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” From the historical reference in Volyn we can clearly see that Obama in Ukraine is using the supreme international crime as a means of preventing Russia’s claims to the Donbass. And Poroshenko as one of Obama’s missives gives a speech where for the first time in history a Western leader boasts about targeting woman and children. Poroshenko stated….“We (Kiev regime) will have our jobs, they (Donbass, ethnic Russian East) will not. We will have our pensions, they will not. We will have care for children, for people and retirees, they will not. Our children will go to schools and kindergartens… theirs will hole up in the basements. Because they are not able to do a thing. This is exactly how we will win this war!” Keep in mind he is talking about Ukrainians, his fellow countrymen. He openly flouts international law, his militia’s use cluster and phospherous munitions against all conventions. He terrorises civilian populations. This is Poroshenko’s strategy to win this civil war, genocide.
Yes and Russia has initiated a war of aggression in Ukraine so…
Russia has signed agreements to respect Ukraine’s territorial borders and sovereignty in 1994 – so Russia has no legitimate claims to neither Donetsk nor Luhansk or for that matter Crimea.
And Obama never initiated a war of aggression in Ukraine – no invading troops or tanks.
Poroshenko lost the election in 2019 and cannot justify Putin’s invasion.
If it is that may be why he is no longer president in Ukraine.
When the legitimate authority in Ukraine was overthrown then any agreements were null and void. Russia is operating well within international law in the Donbass. International law allows civilians to be protected from ethnic cleansing and geocide.
Russia has not invaded Ukraine, it is there to protect the civilians from the Nazi’s who for 8 years have attempted to kill every last one of them.
not how international law works.
Not even what the Russians are trying to claim as it is so patently not the case.
Yes but the case that there is ethnic cleansing going on has to be established and neither the Russians nor you have done that.
If that was supposed to be the case they would not have marched on Kyiv and not have invaded Kherson.
…..and in Europe we have bribed leaders who are scared of us.
Ukrainian Nazis massacre Ukrainians they claim to be Russian sympathizers, war crimes Biden must be aware of, certainly the CIA undercover agents know about it, they knew in Afghanistan what the warlords AQ did to Russian POWs, they tortured and killed them, and Reagan did nothing. American presidents are war criminals.
Zelensky is a dictator get that in your head, he has banned, arrested and killed any opposition and has an enemies killing list which includes the names of minors.
The Obama funded regime change in 2014 started the civil war, and you know it, you are trolling for Biden, a war criminal.
Do you have links to the UN sources which have to documented such massacres? Because all I have heard is people that have heard that such things have happened never anyone actually being able to document it.
You have him confused with Putin – Zelenskyy had not banned or killed any opposition leaders before Russia invaded – and remember that UK did this during WWII that did not make Chamberlain a dictator – nor does it Zelenskyy.
You have to be able to document such assertions otherwise they are just that – I do not know that Obama funded the regime change other pro Russian sources have claimed that EU did it also without documentation.
What I said is all in the news, you need to back up your assertions, prove me wrong. Prove that Putin is a dictator!!! Just for starters, document it.
No you made a positive assertion, so the burden of proof is on you – as I imply is that what you say has not happened then I can’t find the articles that have not been written about events that have not happened – are you completely unaware of how logic works?
I only said that you probably had Zelenskyy confused with Putin, different from claiming that Putin is a dictator – but if you want hints that he is look no further than to the opposition leaders he has had imprisoned or the fact that many of the critics that do not end in jail end up dead.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/jail-charged-or-abroad-russian-opposition-figures-under-pressure-2021-06-07/
No one of these cases proves anything, but taken together and adding the fact that Putin has been in lead of Russia since he was selected by Jeltsin in 1999/2000 and a picture starts emerging.
So where is your evidence?
You question it and you have to say what exactly you question, you don’t get away demanding from me what you will not do. I owe you no explanation, look it up yourself if you want to know.
I question:
1) that Zelenskyy is a dictator – as in any evidence that he was not going to be on election at the end of his standard term (and had Putin not invaded nearly certainly have lost)
2) That Zelenskyy has had any opponents killed
3) That Zelenskyy had any opposition leaders jailed before his country was invaded – and that he had any non pro Russian opposition leaders jailed even after the invasion.
So yes you made positive claims and if these are true you should be able to provide evidence for them – I could provide evidence for me implying that Putin seems more like a dictator.
Those are odd criteria for “dictator.”
A dictator is, simply, one who dictates. There’s no question that Zelenskyy has assumed more power to dictate since the invasion, which is not unusual in wartime. He’s outlawed opposition political parties, and he’s nationalized the media to ensure it toes his regime’s line on the war. Those are dictatorial actions.
Almost every head of state becomes a dictator under certain circumstances, and war (especially war that seems to threaten regime/national existence) is at or near the top of that list of circumstances. For example, Wilson and FDR essentially became wartime dictators in the US. Those of their opponents who didn’t go to jail also didn’t dare not give them what they demanded, i.e. dictated.
In that case all leaders are dictators – so your definition is pretty meaningless. Any leader from Walter Thurnherr to Kim Jong-un has the power to dictate some things but has to be mindful of the reception of his dictates – so no that may be a/your definition, but not a useful one.
If so you should have no problems finding the links to the things he has dictated that are so unusual – the only thing I have heard so far is his arrest of one opposition leader – which the case with Churchill and Oswald Mosley demonstrates is not unusual even in times of less imminent threat in a democracy.
Yes like the UK did for Oswald Mosley and other fascists.
The media was also under very tight control in most if not all democracies in WWII.
We agree if that was done in peacetime as it has been done in Russia – where to be accurate though the opposition parties are not outlawed their leaders just often meet with rather unpleasant consequences.
So you have failed utterly in demonstrating that Zelenskyy is a dictator – by any normal standards for a democracy facing a foreign invasion of (in his case of 20+ percent) of their country.
“There’s no question that Zelenskyy has assumed more power to dictate since the invasion, which is not unusual in wartime.
“If so you should have no problems finding the links to the things he has dictated that are so unusual”
I’m not sure why you’d expect me to do the work of proving the exact opposite of what I said.
You said that he is a dictator – I said that he was not, in no way prior to February 2022 – and the things he has done post invasion is reflected in all democracies that have suffered the same king of invasion and even some that were not invaded.
So what I ask you for is evidence that he has done things that were dictatorial pre February 2022 or things that were not done by the British in WWII the French in WWI – if you are now saying that you never claimed that Zelenskyy acted unlike any of those democracies who suffered invasions on par with Ukraine – then fine, but if you want to maintain that Zelenskyy is acting beyond what we find democracies doing when invaded then you have to provide evidence to back it up.
You are making a positive claim, I have stated that I do not think that Zelenskyy have done things unlike what democracies do when faced with invasions on this scale – so the burden of proof is on you – unless as I say you want to say that Zelenskyy is not a dictator.
All I did point out that it is NOT unusual for heads of state to assume dictatorial powers in wartime. You then demanded that I prove that what Zelenskyy’s doing is unusual, which is exactly the opposite of what I said it was.
Sorry that is not how I read your comment and parts of your comment did not come through to me – rereading it I see that you actually spell out the very point I answered with.
Zelensky eliminated opposition parties, tossed the Minsk II agreement as soon as he was elected. He lied to the people when he campaigned for peace by ending the 7 years of civil war which killed 14K Ukrainians, mostly Russian speaking.
Michael64 has to know it.
Thomas, to ask for prove of information publicly available is how trolls work. The facts don’t support them and make rational thinking impossible. Discrediting the facts is the only tool they have.
Lies have short legs, the truth will catch up sooner or later.
True.
And the truth is that neither Zelenskyy nor Putin is “the good guy.” There aren’t any of those at the regime leadership level.
We do not have to know or like Putin, we need to judge him by his work for the Russian people. After Jeltsyn and the pilfering of Russia by the oligarchs east and west, he put the nation back on its feet, food on the table bringing back life for the people. They elect and reelect him by big margins, there is the Duma their congress he has to answer too.
Zelensky and Biden are the good guys and Putin is bad?
I don’t buy that. Putin is president of Russia and answerable to the Russian people, not us. Recall American first and the stupid German Annalena Baerbock, she will serve Ukrainians first regardless of the German people, is that what Putin should say? He has been demonized since he cut the oligarchs and their corruption down and some had to serve time and are now living in the USA/UK with their stolen wealth, Navalny is a member of the club, he could not eliminate it completely. Russians are corrupt and Russia has criminals like we all have. Putin is a statesman, he governed and fouled up like any human but he handled a gigantic mess when he became president. Putin took care of the Russian people, that is why he is respected by the people.
Most of all, Russia has done nothing to any NATO member, and Biden admits it, all he wants is to do Regime change, remove Putin and reduce and weaken Russia and the Russian people. He will pick Putin’s replacement, he has not said, but they were grooming Navalny years ago, the US wants to rule Russia, privatize the resources to benefit US corporations.
“Zelensky and Biden are the good guys and Putin is bad?”
That’s not what I said.
I said they’re all bad guys.
If Putin is so respected by and beloved of the Russian people, why is every election preceded by him throwing half his opponents in prison and keeping the other half off the ballot? Couldn’t he just let them run against him and beat them at the polls?
Putin is answerable to the particular gang of oligarchs that used him to suppress their opponent oligarchs.
You are right, you said all. But Putin is not in their class IMHO.
As far as I know that is not true, by all reputable accounts he won his elections fair and square. And his approval ratings remain high. Our problem is the fact that Putin has been demonized since day one. I have yet to hear a word in MSM giving him credit for anything he did, he is the bad guy always. I read some of his speeches and watched his press conferences, he knows what he talks about and comes across as a rational man who loves his country and is aware of the suffering Russian people have endured. He grew up in St. Petersburg, his parents lost a 2 year old during the siege of the city by Hitler. He is the son of survivors. I judge him by what he is in public, my judgement, not one that other people made for me who don’t know him any better than I do. When someone is being demonized people are everything but objective. I judge Biden by his actions not his campaign speeches. I have yet to hear a speech he made worth listening to, his speeches are shallow. I knew Biden would mean disaster when he called Putin a killer, a war criminal, and was proud to have told him in his face he has no soul. He stepped over the diplomatic red line without even a minimum of good diplomatic manners after being VP for 8 years. Same goes for Blinken and Nuland, Sullivan and more. I did see the clip where Biden humiliated Scott Ritter because he did not support the GOVERNMENT narrative about the WMD in Iraq, Biden was all for that invasion. To this day I don’t think he had any regrets. Putin never stepped over the diplomatic line like that. He always behaves with dignity as does Lavrov an outstanding diplomate, always dignified and knowledgeable. Biden and Zelensky are not in Putin’s class. Sorry, but it is an objective judgement on my part.
They underestimated Putin because they can’t get out of their bubble and be more objective, they are Russophobs, a phobia like religion an intellectual strait jacket.
Thomas, to ask for prove of information publicly available is how trolls work. The facts don’t support them and make rational thinking impossible. Discrediting the facts is the only tool they have.
Lies have short legs, the truth will catch up sooner or later.
Prove me wrong, as it stands you question it, fine, provide the answer.
All the info you want you can find in the news at least in the internet, not the MSM. That is, if you really want to know. You don’t, so I will not waste my time to inform you, do it yourself.
Your post is typical trolling. What I posted is true and the evidence is there for you to see if you only look.
You claim that Zelenskyy is a dictator – that is a positive claim and hence one you should be able to provide evidence for – I do not make a positive claim I only say that I have not seen proof that Zelenskyy is a dictator – I cannot find stories about how Zelenskyy did not do dictatorial stuff as such stories do not get written so the burden of proof is on the party who makes the positive claim.
Well, he is, that is not a claim, he eliminated the opposition, he has a death list with names including Americans and many minors. He is a liar, and as corrupt as it gets. All he does is collect more money to go to war, throwing the Ukrainians under the bus. I do not have a nice word to say about him or Biden for that matter.
He outlawed the opposition parties like Churchill did Oswald Mosley party and other fascist parties – in WWII – that did not make Churchill a dictator nor does it Zelenskyy.
As for him having death list – any evidence for this claim or is it just one more of your assertions?
I would be seriously concerned if you had anything nice to say about Zelenskyy – that would make me think that his corruption was actually a serious problem.
Why waste my time on your irrational claims and allegations? You are a troll, that says enough.
Any head of state must have enough authority to the job, that alone does not make a dictator.
A dictator uses usurpation to take unlimited authority and is not responsible to anyone.
Zelenskyy did none of those things before the invasion and what he has done after the invasion is what democratically elected leaders did in UK during WWII and in France during WWI so nothing to suggest that he is a dictator.
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No one of these cases proves anything, but taken together and adding the fact that Putin has been in lead of Russia since he was selected by Jeltsin in 1999/2000 and a picture starts emerging.
Reuters is sloppy to say the least when they print allegations like that, BS
why would I take your allegations as fact? Allegations are allegations, you can’t say if you say it it becomes fact???
So you have no links whatsoever to even hit that your assertions are true while I could dig up a link in no time flat – good to know where we stand:
I say that Putin seems more like a dictator and have his 22 years in the top of Russian administration plus the fact that many of his opposition candidates have ended up in jail as evidence while you have nothing to substantiate that Zelenskyy whom you say we all know is a dictator, actually is so.
do your own research and then come back, I will not do it for you.
You have made positive claims that some things have happened – I have questioned this – no research can find the news stories about events that did not happen – which is what I doubt that they did.
So the burden of proof belongs to you – if what you claim has actually happened then you should be able to provide the evidence.
The UN has become a joke, the same is true of the IAEA, they are silent about who shelled the NPP. They do know it was the Ukrainians if the Russians had done it they would have told the whole world and the NATO would have used it for lots of propaganda.
There is no way they don’t know where the shells came from. That is why they are SILENT and don’t tell.
Another discredited international institution as a result.
BTW, Victoria Nuland said how much money the Obama people invested in the MAIDAN regime change, look it up.
In short you only believe the Russians – the IAEA asked the Russians why the unexploded ordinance they saw at the NPP was angled so it looked to have been fired from the Russian side – the explanation: it rotates on impact – so the only evidence we have seen implies that it was the Russians firing at the NPP.
So you did not see the clip of them asking why it looked to come from the Russian side?
So all that do not carry the Russian line are discredited – good to know.
Is this supposed to be wrong – that Obama or EU invested in the Ukraine after they had ousted Victor Yanukovych does not prove that they ousted him, just that they helped the Ukrainians after Russia had annexed Crimea and fermented insurrection in the Donbas.
Than why don’t they say the only evidence they have points to Russia? Does that make sense to you?
Sound like the WMD fairy tale to me.
” the IAEA asked the Russians why the unexploded ordinance they saw at the NPP was angled so it looked to have been fired from the Russian side ”
Why UNexploded ordinance? Why would the Russians make it look like they fired the ordinance at themselves? That is proof, that makes sense to you?
Not even MSM like NYT and WP reported that BULL SHIT.
Obama funded the regime change before it happened, good old Nuland came by to serve cookies for the neo-Nazis, home made, maybe, I don’t know that. But cookies not some sandwiches, no common sense at all.
“Why UNexploded ordinance?”
Because that’s the ordnance you see in an impact area. All the EXploded ordnance, well, it exploded. If you can find its impact point, you may be able to determine what direction it was fired from — for example, a US-type 81mm HE mortar round throws shrapnel backward from point of impact in an approximately 27-meter long, 9-meter at maximum width cone). But the duds are sitting right there and you can tell from which direction the exposed portion is tilting what direction it was fired from.
I believe you, but that would still leave the question where the ordinance came from, who put it there. That is just too simple an explanation. And is that all they found to determine anything, if so why not say so. Their silence is telling. They did not find a single point of impact after all the shelling? It makes no sense to me.
The rapporteurs chemical war experts had their report of the chemical inspection in Syria edited, so many did not sign the report and resigned including the head of the team. A botched up affair to prove Assad did it.
I didn’t say that “they didn’t find a single point of impact after the shelling.” I just pointed out that it’s easier to tell what direction fire came from by looking at rounds that didn’t explode than it is by looking at points of impact, trying to figure out what ordinance impacted, and deriving direction from knowledge of that particular ordnance’s explosive patterns.
What would have prevented the Russians to remove the duds? Was it Russian made ordinance? If there was any credible evidence they would have said it. It is not likely that the Russians planted the duds.
I have no opinion on any of that. I was just explaining why, to tell what direction artillery fire came from, one would look at the rounds that didn’t explode, since you asked about it as if it was strange.
This war is NATO and Russia, soon it will blow…
What is that Regime going to ask for next (free of charge, of course)? Nukes!!!
They will demand more, like the Ukainians. They know we owe to them.
People seriously ignorant of how modern combined arms war is fought (people like Knapp and most of the commentators here) need to STFU and be patient. Russia has got this in the bag and will be going out to the IHOP for pancakes shortly. Only idiots don’t comprehend the notion of “military balance.”
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26694.jpeg
Yeah, I’m so “ignorant” of combined arms war that I spent years training for one, fought one, and found myself on the winning side of it.
How many combined arms operations have you been involved in? Have you ever had to work with a fire support coordination center, forward air controllers and forward observers to coordinate an attack? Ever watched people die of heat stroke in the desert when the upper echelons put your unit in the wrong place, unable to move without being exposed to artillery fire, for eight hours without water resupply? Any of that there, or are you just exercising your blowhole as usual?
War sucks.
My best friend was at Camp LeJeune for a year and a half before being sent to Nam.
Vietnam didn’t kill him but Camp LeJeune damn near did. He’s managed to beat multiple cancers and I hope he gets a big fat settlement from the Amerikkkan government.
I’m retired military but I’m not a military “expert” or a junior Secretary of State either lol
Meanwhile, the Russian grind continues…as this report from an MoA commentator shows…
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (September 14, 2022)
Russian Aerospace Forces, missile troops and artillery launch massive fire attacks at the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) at all operational directions.
8 Ukrainian tanks, 13 infantry combat vehicles, 11 other armoured vehicles and over 150 Ukrainian servicemen have been eliminated within unsuccessful offensive of the 24th, 28th mechanised, 46th Airmobile and 60th Infantry brigades of the AFU near Mirnoye, Sukhoi Stavok, Belogorka, Bruskinskoye, Olgino (Kherson region) and Ternoviye Pody (Nikolayev region) at the Nikolayev-Krivoy Rog direction.
High-precision attacks launched by Russian aviation at the temporary deployment points of the 53rd, 54th and 110th Mechanised brigades, 28th Territorial Defence Brigade and 68th Infantry Brigade of the AFU near Seversk, Verkhnekamenskoye, Nikolskoye, Avdeyevka, Novokalinovo, Petrovskoye, Novosyolka and Vremevka (Donetsk People’s Republic) have resulted in the elimination of up to 250 Ukrainian servicemen and over 20 units of military equipment.
The positions of the 65th Mechanised and 68th Chaser Infantry brigades near Novosyolovka and Dobropolye (Zaporozhye region), up to 70 Ukrainian servicemen and 5 units of military equipment have been eliminated as a result of high-precision strikes of the Russian Air Force.
Massive fire attacks have been launched at the manpower and military equipment of the 14th and 93rd mechanised brigades of the AFU near Dvurechnaya, Balakleya and Kupyansk (Kharkov region). The enemy has lost up to 150 Ukrainian servicemen and over 10 units of military equipment.
Сombat and temporary deployment positions of the 25th Airborne Brigade, 9th National Guard Regiment, 56th and 61st mechanised infantry brigades of the AFU, 103rd Territorial Defenсe Brigade, Kraken national group near Zoryanoye, Nikolayevka, Krivaya Luka and Ray- Aleksandrovka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Kamyshevakha (Zaporozhye region) and Ternovka (Nikolayev region) have been struck by operational-tactical aviation, missile troops and artillery.
4 missile, artillery armament and munitions depots near Seversk and Raigorodok (Donetsk People’s Republic) and the cities of Kharkov and Izyum (Kharkov region) have been destroyed.
1 Ukrainian combat vehicle for Uragan MRLS has been destroyed near Krasny Liman (Donetsk People’s Republic).
1 U.S.-manufactured counter-battery interception radar (AN/TPQ-64) and 1 radar for illumination and guidance of Ukrainian S-300 air defence missile system near Lepetikha and Lozovoye (Nikolayev region) have been destroyed.
1 Mi-8 helicopter with a sabotage and reconnaissance group on board near the Kinburn logjam (Kherson region) has been destroyed by fighter aviation of the Russian Air Force.
4 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Maksim Gorky, Ukrainka (Kherson region) and Svetloye (Zaporozhye region), as well as 1 Tochka-U ballistic missile near Aleksandrovka (Kherson region) have been shot down by air defence means.
In addition, 33 shells of MRLS, including 7 projectiles launched by Olkha systems have been intercepted near Kiselyovka, Burgunki (Kherson region) and Donetsk, as well as 26 launched by HIMARS near Musikovka, Novaya Kakhovka, Vesyoloye, Rakovka, Tomarino, Kakhovka hydroelectric plant, Antonovka bridge (Kherson region) and Staromlinovka (Donetsk People’s Republic).
In total, 293 airplanes and 155 helicopters, 1,948 unmanned aerial vehicles, 374 air defence missile systems, 4,921 tanks and other armoured combat vehicles, 835 combat vehicles equipped with MRLS, 3,386 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 5,552 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.
Posted by: rumodreport | Sep 14 2022 14:34 utc | 8
Russia in Ukraine is slowly but surely bleeding out the Western Powers. Disarm and DeNazification.
NATO has tens of thousands of troops on the front lines, They are being paid US$20,000 a month with lots of heavy equipment supplied, trillions is being wasted.
A fellow called Big Serge has a Substack and he produces some very good analyses of the conflict, including this one which clearly shows the results of the Kharkiv offensive.
Special Military Operation, Season 2
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/special-military-operation-season
There is always more from where these weapons came from. a bottomless supply, paid buy Uncle Sam’s nieces and nephews. Money is no object.