Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has again lashed out at his Western backers for not supporting long-range strikes on Russian territory with NATO missiles, which he believes could be used to target North Korean troops inside Russia.
In a Telegram post on Friday night, Zelensky claimed Ukraine knew where North Korean troops were gathering in Russia. “Now we see every site where Russia is accumulating these soldiers from North Korea on its territory – all their camps,” The Ukrainian leader wrote.
Zelensky continued, “We could strike preemptively if we had this opportunity – to strike at a sufficiently long range. And it depends on the partners. But instead of such necessary long-range, America is watching, Britain is watching, Germany is watching. Everyone is just waiting for the North Korean military to start attacking Ukrainians as well.”
Russian President Vladimir Putin has made clear that long-range strikes inside Russian territory would risk nuclear war, and the US appears to have gotten the message, at least for now. Zelensky keeps pushing for the escalation as part of his so-called “Victory Plan,” which has received little support from Western governments.
Zelensky has been fuming over the lack of support for long-range strikes now that the US has said it believes about 10,000 North Korean troops are in Russia and have moved West to the Kursk Oblast, where they could join the fighting. For their part, Russia and North Korea have not confirmed the deployments, but when asked about the US claims in recent days, officials from both countries have pointed to the new military agreement that Moscow and Pyongyang signed earlier this year, which includes a mutual defense clause.
North Korean Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui was in Moscow on Friday and said North Korea would stand with Russia until it wins its war. “We will always stand firmly by our Russian comrades until victory day,” Choe said.
If Ukraine attaccks North Korean troops then North Korea could declare war on Ukraine.
North Korea possesses nuclear weapons and Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles.
What could go wrong with this picture?
North Korea chose to send troops to fight in an active war zone for their ally, Russia. Possibly to get battlefield experience. Possibly because they really are friends with Russia and want them to win. In any case they will be uniformed belligerents fighting in a war. They will be targets and they will be killed or captured.
North Korean troops will die in the war. If the Kim regime didn't want them to die, they shouldn't have been sent to die.
North Korea possesses nuclear missiles? So what? So does Russia. They haven't used them and they're not going to. Neither in North Korea.
First, Zelensky displays no direct knowledge of the whereabouts of N. Korean soldiers in Russia (which is a rather large piece of real estate). Second, Zelensky is as much a blowhard as Biden, whose reputation for telling the truth has been shattered by this thing called reality. Third, you should learn to appreciate that there are other views about the potential for nuclear war than your rather naive blathering. Learn some fucking manners.
No direct knowledge? Where do you get that from?
I'm sure Ukraine knows exactly where they are. You on the other hand are just angry that the NK presence in Russia is hurting your narrative.
Don't come up with excuses when NK soldiers start popping up in the frontlines dead just like when Putin invaded Ukraine and you all were denying Putin would do such thing.
"I'm sure Ukraine knows exactly where they are." How do you arrive at this assurance of certainty?
Same question I put to your comrade: send me a link to the source of this intelligence.
Assuming you are personally acquainted with the sources in Ukraine, name them.
"I'm sure Ukraine knows exactly where they are." How do you arrive at this assurance of certainty?
Same question I put to your comrade: send me a link to the source of this intelligence.
Assuming you are personally acquainted with the sources in Ukraine, name them.
There is no way Kiev "knows" anything; all long range intelligence is provided by the USA and given to Ukraine. THAT's the issue with the "long range strike" nonsense; in order for them to actually "strike" anything, they need detailed targeting data loaded into the missiles, which can only be provided, and loaded, by the USA. So it wouldn't be Ukraine doing the striking, it would be the USA directly striking into Russia. Else, if Ukraine "knew" anything, why aren't they applying that "knowledge" to the FAR MORE DANGEROUS Russian attacks in Donetsk and Zaporizhia, instead of worrying about a very minor, if not made up, North Korean "threat"?
They need a map projection and coordinates to load strike data.
Where did the idea that only the US can input coordinates come from? I know it’s an article of faith now, but where did it start? Possibly Kremlin sources pushing the idea that the three day war is going into year three because they are really fighting the west, NATO, and the EU and not just Ukraine which is why they haven’t finished the invasion yet? Kremlin excuses?
From the Pentagon, that’s where it came from. And not just “input”, but also “provide”, as Ukraine has NO long range reconnaissance assets. And while you deny, deny, deny; why isn’t Ukraine actually targeting the Russians in Donetsk, where NATO actually WILL provide targeting assistance?
Have you ever heard of Google satellite view? Or Maxar? Or do we pretend you’ve never seen those either? You going to ask for a link to the existence of Google maps?
Are you telling me the Ukrainians can’t look at a satellite projection and get coordinates off of them? Perhaps only the superior Russian minds can do that? No you’re saying “The Pentagon” said it. Somewhere. At sometime. It’s probably online somewhere. Can you feel my eyes rolling as I type this?
I don’t make Ukrainian tactical or strategic policy. I would think it’s not worth trying to hold the rubble that is left of donetsk anymore. There’s no value left in holding it and Russia gets no value in taking it at this point so why waste the resource?
You tell me why. You seem to have a keen tactical mind, and can certainly think more than 10 seconds ahead and game potential moves and responses.
Wrong again. How's the Donbass doing? Buying any homes in Seladove? Crying won't help your cause.
Took you six days to come up with that?
Pathetic.
Run along again.
No, had more important things to do, like life, I see your paymasters are still losing territory, better hurry up and ask for a raise before they go broke, Keep typing. loser.
First, intelligence estimates put at least some North Korean troops in Kursk. If so, they will die in the fighting.
Second, I didn’t ask for, nor particularly care about your assessment of the truth. Particularly if you vomit up Russian propaganda as if any of it is true in any way.
Third, read your statement about other views on the likelihood of nuclear war back to yourself. Then apply it to yourself.
I’ll add a fourth. While I can and do appreciate performative poutrage on behalf of others, even find it amusing. I would suggest it’s you that need the manners.
"First, intelligence estimates put at least some North Korean troops in Kursk."
Send me a link to the source of this intelligence.
Let me know what sources you’ll consider. I assume Kremlin sources only?
You could check any news feed. Or are we pretending you live under a rock and don’t look at any news at all?
Yet all western reported sources come from Kiev, which is just as biased as the Russian ones are. Read, here, today, on this webpage that "Pentagon can't confirm" that NK troops are involved in combat. The whole NK narrative makes no sense; the "threat" to Ukraine, which is imminent, is not some possibly fictional NK involvement in Kursk oblast; it is the day after day taking of territory in Donetsk and Zaporizhia by the RUSSIAN army and the continued desertion of Ukrainian troops. And THAT's from the VERY pro-Ukrainian NY Times.
Is there do kind of contractual obligation to just lie about everything that I was not informed of?
All western sources come from Kyiv, but at the sane time Kyiv gets all it’s info from the US? Is that about right?
Western news reports about Ukrainian “progress” all are parroting of Kiev propaganda, and always have been. “Ghost of Kiev”? “Heroes of Snake Island”? “Success of the counteroffensive”? “Breakthrough ot Krynky”? All Fairy Tales, repeated without verification by the western media. Deep, real-time intelligence, requiring either satellite or reconnaissance surveillance, all comes from the CIA or Pentagon, who are the only ones with those assets.
Ghost of Kyiv? You mean the very clearly propane thing early in the war designed specifically to keep people’s spirits up? Well, that’s the first and only ti.e something like that has been used in war. Good catch. Now that we’ve dealt with the obvious distraction and attempt to change the subject I’ll move on.
Clearly you’ve never actually seen Google maps. And have no idea what real time intelligence is or what it’s used for. Those are just military sounding words your using to pretend you know what you’re on about.
We’re done here until you come up with better material and are a little more educated than the average first person shooter player tossing around jargon.
Useless post; but keep trying. Ukraine has no "intelligence assets" of their own. period.
Get a CT scan of your brain.
So Ukraine wants to directly attack DPRK soldiers inside the Russian Federation.
If they do that, I would think it then entirely permissible for the RF to attack Ukrainian troops stationed or training in ANY country. Poland, Romania, Britain. The Russians would have MORE grounds to do so, than the Ukrainian have to attack a country not (yet) formally at war with them.
Yes, it is because it is a war, a war your dictator leader started and is taking his entire country down with him which will not end well.
Prime Minister Trudeau had nothing to do with this.
I suspect, however, (based on facts in evidence) that you refer to Ukraine.
No, I clearly referred to Russia, but play dumb, it fits you.
Your mastery of the art of Stupid pales even compared to Timbit and joke.
Ukraine’s losing, and I’m delighted at that. Demonstrates that “goose-stepping morons should try READING books instead of BURNING them.”
When the flood of neo-Nazis flees the battlefield and either swamps Western Europe or dominates the European Union Welfare State of Aryan West Ukraine, consider my “I TOLD YOU SO” paid in full.
Argentina’s nice this time of year, Almond. Pray, get thee there.
You are 100% correct that a dictator leader started this war in 2014. Actually, 1990 when you really think about it.
All in attempt to seize power to maintain hegemonic control in a self-made unipolar world. Ukraine an example of another sick and failed experiment.
Biden Ver. 1.0 "We'll help you for as long as it takes"
Biden Ver. 2.0 "We'll help you for as long as we can"
Every Empire, including this one, has an expiration date. Especially when you spread yourself too thin, and have a diminishing state that is reliant on a militarized economy with proxies to do its dirty work world wide.
Here's a nice summary that captures key conflicts in which the Empire was complicit with millions of innocent civilian lives being lost.
Just need to add Gaza and Palestine to this.
Good luck with the election tomorrow.
The world is hoping for real leadership, statesmanship and diplomacy.
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Russia needs to remove this terrorist with all means necessary. He is the death of Ukraine with his backers being NATO and Uncle Sam
Defending your country against an invasion by a superpower makes you a terrorist? That is something new.
Zelensky is a terrorist…he is murdering his own soldiers and citizens because he has suspended the rule of law and chose to perpetuate a unwindable war…How many Ukrainians have died at the Ukrainian armies own hands?? before 2022 fifteen thousand…Maybe Zelensky should have respected Russia’s continuous warnings about not allowing NATO or Uncle Sam on his boarders. He was offered a peace initiative but chose to fight the bear.
Ukraine's office of disinformation spinning North Korean soldiers' stories.
Enough is enough, already…!
I agree with you 100%; it is time for Putin to pull his troops out of Ukraine and end this war of choice.
If Zelensky has such situational awareness in tracking and targeting, why doesn't he use these weapons (Scalp, Atacms, HIMARS, Storm Shadow, etc) where "the west" will assist him in providing the targeting data – in Donetsk, where his army is losing ground daily at an increasing rate, instead of worrying about some very marginal "North Korean threat" that may not even exist? Maybe then they might actually accomplish something for the Ukrainian side. Instead, he spins fairy tales.
So he wants access to intercontinental ballistic missiles… figures.