Updated at 10:26 am EST on 10/18/24
Friday morning Hamas confirmed leader Yahya Sinwar was killed in combat with Israeli forces in Gaza, saying he died defending Palestine until the last moments of his life.
The Israeli military and the Shin Bet security agency said in a joint statement on Thursday that they confirmed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed by the Israeli military in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.
“A force of the 828th Brigade, which operated in the area, identified and eliminated three terrorists. After completing the process of identifying the body, it can now be confirmed that [Sinwar] was eliminated,” the statement reads.
President Biden released a statement celebrating the killing that said DNA tests confirmed Sinwar was dead. “Shortly after the October 7 massacres, I directed Special Operations personnel and our intelligence professionals to work side-by-side with their Israeli counterparts to help locate and track Sinwar and other Hamas leaders hiding in Gaza,” he said.
Vice President Harris gave a brief address on Sinwar’s killing, saying that over the past year, “American special operations and intelligence personnel have worked closely with their Israeli counterparts to locate and track Sinwar and other Hamas leaders, and I commend their work.”
While Biden and Harris touted US intelligence support for Israel, the operation that killed Sinwar appears to have happened by chance. Israeli officials told The Wall Street Journal that a tank unit looking for tunnels in Rafah spotted Hamas militants in an empty building and fired on them. They didn’t realize one was Sinwar until they found his body.
Netanyahu said Israel “settled its account” with Sinwar, who is believed to be the mastermind behind the October 7 attack on southern Israel, but warned, “our war has not yet ended.”
Later in the day, Biden spoke with Netanyahu, and according to a White House readout of the call, the two leaders discussed “how to use this moment to bring the hostages home and to bring the war to a close with Israel’s security assured and Hamas never again able to control Gaza.”
Sinwar’s killing comes after Israeli media reports that said the Israeli government is not interested in restarting hostage and ceasefire talks with Hamas and is instead looking to annex portions of the Gaza Strip. Israeli forces are currently carrying out the beginning of an ethnic cleansing plan in northern Gaza.
Sinwar was Hamas’s leader in Gaza and also became the political chief after his predecessor, Ismail Haniyeh, was killed by an Israeli assassination in the Iranian capital of Tehran on July 31.
Confirmed by Hamas (and a dentist).
I tried to up vote you but failed for some unknown reason. Got it. 😉
That's good because his comment didn't deserve an upvote.
I only took him as confirming, not endorsing.
Stating facts.
nothing here to down or upvote.
According to the Israelis, a infantry squad on routine patrol IDd 3 gunmen and shot them. Later inspection revealed com equipment, large sums of money and a fake passport with a name, known to Israelis Intel as one of Sinwar's known alias. Dental and forensic tests collaborated his identity and an identity of one of his associates and the coup de grâce was a positive DNA test.
Hamas outlets and sympathetic media seem to confirm.
Either this is true or this is a very clever Hamas ruse.
When was Sinwar alleged to have been killed ?
I ask because there's implication that Israeli scientists have some amazing DNA technology – to replicate, sequence, analyse, and verify in what appears to be the space of a few hours ?
They have the same technology that the FBI and state crime labs have. It is called Rapid DNA testing. The machine takes about 2 hours.
Yesterday as it turns out
If the IDF already had a sample of his DNA, it would not take long to compare it to a sample taken from the body.
That’s my question – how long does the process take, and how long did the scientists have between death + sample acquisition, and analytical results ?
The “CSI” TV series led many to believe that certain analytical techniques were “push of a button”.
In one glaring instance, GC-MS analysis of ~40 mins for a single sample absent any calibration & verification, was reduced to “load vial, machine injects sample, printer spits out page of results” in the space of how long it took you to read that.
And that’s straight organic chemistry; DNA sequencing is more involved and more complex.
One down… How many more to go?……
As many as it takes. However it is more that one down. 5 of the top leaders of Hamas are gone along with 17,000 plus Hamas fighters.
The IDF can kill as many leaders as they want, but they will never beat Hamas or Hezbollah. October 7th was a gift for both since the Israeli economy is failing on all fronts, the world has turned its back to Israel and the resistance is still killing IDF terrorists. Who is winning you say? lol
"but they will never beat Hamas or Hezbollah" Want to bet? How many Palestinians have to die before they turn on Hamas? 100,000? 200,000?
You want to place your bet on a nation committing slow-motion suicide? Israel will not live through this as it is right now. Not even Uncle Sam can save such depravity and fiendish behavior. Hamas is an ideology..a year later they are still crushing IDF terrorists as are Hezbollah. My bet is that Israel will not be around five years from now. I hope the civilized and humane Israelis find solace and peace. Netanyahu is on par to get them all killed.
" My bet is that Israel will not be around five years from now" I will take that bet any day. And in five years from now I will make a trip to the bank with your money.
You are too funny, I hope Israel can turn around and become a civil law abiding nation…and I mean respecting international law, and human rights. The current trajectory shows Israel to be on a death spiral sadly. There are many peaceful Israeli’s leaving in droves because the current government will get them killed.
Amen
If Israelis knew how many Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims and free people's across the globe actually support and/or understand that they are resisting an illegal occupation, they will pick themselves up and leave thus sparing the world all this bloodshed. Israel will kill millions but it won't stop Palestinians from supporting those who defend them.
Not true. Read my post above
Such courage. Assassinations, civilian eletronics warfare, women and children, hospitals, mass graves, prison rapes, bombing hospitals, orphanages, churches, mosques snd schools, firebombing tents. Shelling UN mission, destroying and outlawing refugee agency UNRWA. Oh well, just another day in paradisec for acmost moral leadership and army in the world.
Israelis choose to survive, just as your ancestors did, so your morally superior tone is hilarious from a country with such a bloody history, that was built on the backs of million enslaved Africans, that committed genocide against millions of native people, that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in WWII, that dropped two nuclear bombs on non-military targets to "make a point," and that killed a million people during the so-called "War on Terror" in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen, and elsewhere.
But I'm sure you are brave enough to wear your keffiyeh to the "River to the Sea" march at Columbia – protected and supported by the US system. Now, that's courage!
“Israelis choose to survive, just as your ancestors did”
wouldn’t your argument also apply to the nazis? so your argument is you cant get mad at israel because everyone has done bad things. so did the nazis.
“Nazis choose to survive, just as your ancestors did”
great argument retard lol
Your logic is truly pathetic.
The Nazis engaged in aggressive, not defensive war. The survival of Germany was not at risk in 1939.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 and Gaza could have been a prosperous area, but instead they attacked Israel and sought its destruction.
If you can't understand the difference between aggressive war and defensive war then you shouldn't be making comments; you are just embarrassing yourself (and your professors at Harvard or Columbia).
“How dare you moralize about our war. Don’t you know that my moralization framework is superior to your moralization!”
Genuine question for the atheists who say dumb stuff like this in the crowd: What exactly makes an aggressive war bad, but a defensive one good? No seriously. What makes causing pain or suffering bad? From an ethical standpoint, not a pragmatic one, why is survival preferable to dying?
I’ll be waiting, thanks.
War is inherently immoral.
So, the US should not have participated in the American Revolution? And the Union defeat of the Confederacy was "inherently immoral"? The same with the defeat of Nazi Germany?
So, are you saying that allowing monarchy, slavery, and genocide is the moral path?
Interesting.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make, as I never said anything was "superior". I'm just dealing with facts.
As to your question about defensive vs. aggressive war, that is an absurd question.
In a defensive war, you are protecting yourself from an aggressive army; in an aggressive war, you are attacking another country.
And if you can't see why surviving is better than dying, then you shouldn't be making comments.
Your beef is with the Likud and IDF who massacred over 400 Israelis that day – Hannibal Directive
Nonsense. No proof of that myth.
Beaucoup Israeli eyewitnesses plus the tankers and chopper pilots gave published statements
Nearest KIA count is something like this:
350 IDF
250 Settler Paramilitaries
400 civvies killed by IDF
No source of course.
I provided proof via Haaretz in an earlier thread Tim. Do your homework before falling down the stairs…
Vague, unrelated rumors are not "proof", and there is the simple fact that Hamas is openly dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
Do you think that the United States would support Israel is they did what you suggest? Or maybe you are just smarter than the entire US military and intelligence agencies? Sure, that could be.
Why would Hamas be enamored with Israel, after 76 years of occupation, raids, limited electricity, potable water, medicine, travel.
Just for starters.
You are dedicated to the destruction of Israel if you are supporting the obscene terrorist government in Israel. The onus is on you, and all of those who THINK that apartheid, mass murder, terrorism, and theft will be accepted. There was nothing vague about the IDF/IAF murdering their own civilians and Palestinians via the mass Hannibal directive. You are just too scared to embrace the truth..that your belief in what is real evil is blatantly apparent..
What a bizarre comment, confused comment.
1. No, I'm not dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
2. The government of Israel is not "terrorist".
3. Israel does not have "Apartheid". That comment is a bumper sticker that shows no understanding of reality. Israel Arabs have more rights than other Arabs and they have the longest life expectancy of the Arab world (the ultimate right – to live).
The West Bank occupation is an apartheid system by definition — the Israeli regime pretends it is set aside as a Palestinian Arab “homeland” while occupying it militarily, exercising absolute veto power over its governance, taking whatever it wants, and imposing a class segregation system with “Jews only” roads, etc.
And the Palestinian Arabs in the occupied West Bank have a life expectancy six years shorter than that in Israel (in the Israel-blockaded Gaza strip, the life expectancy is about 10 years shorter than in Israel).
The West Bank occupation is an apartheid system by definition — the Israeli regime pretends it is set aside as a Palestinian Arab “homeland” while occupying it militarily, exercising absolute veto power over its governance, taking whatever it wants, and imposing a class segregation system with “Jews only” roads, etc.
And the Palestinian Arabs in the occupied West Bank have a life expectancy six years shorter than that in Israel (in the Israel-blockaded Gaza strip, the life expectancy is about 10 years shorter than in Israel).
Pick up a back issue of Haaretz.
The "Hannibal Directive" is an absurd fantasy. You have to be completely detached from reality to believe such an unsupported viewpoint. Go back to InfoWars.
“…. Israeli newspapers including Haaretz, ABC News and the UN’s Commission of Inquiry have pointed out that during the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel the IDF ordered the Hannibal Directive to be used….”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
A retired Israeli general told Haaretz that was the case.
If Israel had not continually waged aggressive war against all of its neighbors and its own native peoples and instead acted peacefully and abided by the various treaties and agreements that it signed its survival wouldn't be at risk.
Israel hasn't waged a "defensive war" for decades.
Your bumper sticker statements have no basis in reality.
1. It is not just cherry picking to claim that Israel has not engaged in aggressive war. Where do you want to start? In the 1947-48 war, the Israelis agreed to the UN partition plan; the Arabs did not, and they attacked Israel. The same was true for other wars between Israel and those that openly sought to destroy Israel.
However, in the case of Gaza, Israel left Gaza in 2005, which was illegally occupied by the terror organization Hamas (not a legal government) which is committed to Israel's destruction, and which viciously attacked Israel on Oct. 7. Documents found on Hamas computers detail how this attack was designed to trigger more attacks on Israel that would result in its destruction.
2. Call the Palestinians "native people" is a false term. Many of the Arabs in the area are fairly recent arrivals, and not "native" in the sense of Native Americans or Australian Aborigines. The Arabs in Gaza, for example, are generally of Egyptian origin. Yasser Arafat, for example, is from an Egyptian family; in fact, this "native" was actually born in Cairo, and was an Egyptian citizen. But you would say he is entitled to Israeli land, in preference to Jewish families that have lived in the area for centuries. Plus, you ignore the fact that Arabs were allowed to settle in the area, while Jews were not allowed to buy land or live there. These are important aspects of history that your narrative ignores and distorts.
3. What treaties and agreements has Israel violated? More bumper stickers, with no facts.
The majority of Palestinians are not recent "Arab " arrivals. It's totally false propaganda . People in the area have lived there throughout the centuries before Judaism even came into existence. Some were pagans, some later became Jews , then again some became Christians, and then some became Muslims. GAZA have been inhibited for long times. It has never been a land without people. Many people in Gaza are actually refugees driven out of Jaffa, Haifa and many other areas of Palestine.
Indeed Arafat was born in Cairo 1929 to Palestinian Parents. So are many Zionists were born in other countries and were citizens of those countries. The biggest falsehoods is that all jews have and every jew has the right to that land and to drive the indigenous population based on another bigger falsehood.
You description of Arab populations is not supported by any sources, and it is false.
There were no "Palestinians" in the area, because Arabs moved freely through the area until recently, to find work or other opportunities.
The Palestinian identity – separate from Arabs or Muslims – only started to emerge following the increase in immigration and prosperity from Zionism. There are early mentions of a separate "Palestinian" people around 1900, but the idea of a separate Palestinian people was not around "for centuries". That is simply false, and the historical record shows this.
Self-identified Palestinians certainly did not exist prior to the Jewish kingdoms, so your statement is completely false.
No, Yasser Arafat was born from an Egyptian family. He was an Egyptian citizen and served in the Egyptian army. He even spoke Arabic with an Egyptian accent (how embarrassing!). His father was born in Gaza from a family that immigrated from Egypt. There was nothing "Palestinian" about Arafat, although the KGB tried to invent a story that his mother was from an old Jerusalem family, but this was simply a Soviet lie. If you want to believe lies from a Soviet Union that no longer exists, be my guest.
As for the right of Jews to return to Israel, that is the law of Israel. The government of Israel, like every country, has the right to pass any laws they want – the same as your country. As for the "indigenous population", who do you refer to? People like Arafat, who weren't even born in the country, or people who left the country during the war in 1947-48?
And what constitutes "indigenous people"? Do Mexicans have the right to claim land in the American Southwest, because it was part of Mexico for centuries? And New Mexico was part of the Spanish Empire for 223 years: 1598 to 1821. It was Spanish longer than it was part of the US. Same with Florida. Are Spaniards the indigenous people of New Mexico and Florida, and should they be supported if they attack people in Santa Fe or Miami? Or do your absurd and simplistic moral standards only apply to Israelis – not yourself or your country?
Currently, Israel is besieging the Armenian Christians in Jerusalem.
They, their church, have been there since the 4th Century.
Two percent of the Palestinians are Christian.
Israel is killing Christians in Lebanon.
That's a very distorted, biased, and simplistic view of a land dispute. Israel isn't "besieging" Armenian Christians in Jerusalem.
Land in Jerusalem is obviously extremely complicated. In this case, there was a land deal that was signed by the head of the Armenian Church in Jerusalem in July 2021. He now wants to get out of the agreement he signed. It's a legal dispute. No one is being "besieged." So far, Israel has removed a parking lot. That parking lot hasn't been there since "the 4th century." You are obviously trying to create a false scenario.
As for Lebanon, there is a war going on between Israel and Hezbollah, which is dedicated to Israel's destruction. Israel is not targeting Christians; they are working to win a war to protect their people, which would end today if Hezbollah stopped trying to murder Israelis with missiles and rockets.
One problem with this dispute, even if your factual claims are all correct, is that Jerusalem isn’t in Israel and its regime’s edicts therefore have zero legitimacy there.
Based on what?
Your own country has an embassy in Jerusalem, and most nations conduct business with the government of Israel that is based on Jerusalem.
The UN view is not international law, as we do not have a world government; it is simply opinion. It has no army or enforcement.
Also, calling an elected government "a regime" is a biased and inaccurate term. A regime is generally associated with authoritarianism. Israel's chaotic democracy can hardly be called "authoritarian".
The only internationally recognized borders of Israel are codified in UNR 181 and do not encompass Jerusalem.
Countries don’t have embassies, regimes do — and I don’t have a regime.
Then I guess Jerusalem is not part of Israel, because of a UN resolution from 1947 that was never implemented.
Countries don't have embassies? Something else I didn't know.
As for regimes, if the US is a regime and not a country, then are you saying you are not an American citizen, you don't support the US Constitution, you don't vote or have a drivers' license? Are you one of them Sovereign Citizens who doesn't pay taxes? Do you use roads and phones? How does that work?
If UNR 181 wasn’t implemented, Israel doesn’t exist. Nor is it a UN member, since it agreed, as a condition of UN membership, to the borders in that resolution.
Regimes are governments. Countries are not. The US is the regime that happens to dominate the land mass in the middle of North America at the moment. It considers me one of its serfs (“citizens”). I cooperate with it as little as I can. No, I’m not one of the “Sovereign Citizens” who believe that reciting magical formulas changes a situation.
Your reasoning is flawed. Countries do not need UN approval to become countries; the war in 1947-48 decided this. Wars generally decide international boundaries and governments – such as North/South Korea, US/Mexico, Germany/Poland, and so forth.
As for UN membership, many (if not all) UN members have violated UN rules at some point. For example, Russia is currently engaged in aggressive (non-defensive) war with another UN member; yet it has not been expelled from the UN. A member is a member until the UN removes them from the organization (although at this point, I'm surprised Israel wants to be a member of the UN, whose own members participated in the slaughter of Israeli women and children).
Ever look at the "partition plan"? Ever read of the massacres, such as that at Deir Yassin?
What about the Partition Plan? It was a plan developed by the United Nations to separate the Jewish and Arab populations of British Mandatory Palestine, which had been engaged in a civil war starting in the 1930s. It divided the country roughly along existing populations, which were 1/3 Jewish and 2/3 Arab in 1947. It was a plan that the Jews agreed to and the Arabs rejected.
The Arab League and Palestinian leaders declared that the issue should be settled by war. They declared war and attacked; but they lost the war.
When you lose a war, that means you aren't the winner, and you don't get to decide what happens.
The Arabs could have negotiated with the UN, but they choose to settle the issue by violence and war. They lost. Those are the facts.
There were attacks on villages and private populations – by both sides – before and during the war, but again, what's your point? War is an ugly business, which is why the Arabs would have been wiser to negotiate. They could have had a two-state solution in 1947. They chose otherwise and suffer the consequences of their own decisions.
TTrying to draw him out
From Haaretz:
Israel Confirms It Has Killed Hamas Leader Yahya Sinwar, Mastermind of the Oct. 7 Attack
I didn't know Sinwar was the head of Mossad.
no
just no
thats a conspiracy which's untrue
I was being sarcastic you fool. Egypt gave Israel a warning about a possible attack by Hamas 3 days before it happened. Soldiers from the IDF warned HQ that there was suspicious activity going on. The IDF failed to give the music festival organizers a warning that there was a possibility of an attack. And yet Israel claims there was an intelligence failure.
Approval for the music festival came on 5Oct. The Likud knew the routes to be taken by the Hamas fighters, one year in advance, and that festival was adjacent to the road leading to one of the military facilities that was to be attacked.
Hence, the Hamas fighters stumbled upon it, causing a fire fight to erupt. Then came the Apache helicopters and the tanks. Then came the execution of the Hannibal Directive.
The statement says that three terrorists were killed, but doesn't mention how many innocent civilians were also killed. Did the fearless Israelis blow up an apartment building or just a hospital?
And when Hamas reports losses they don't report Hamas fighters deaths.
"The Israeli military and the Shin Bet security agency said in a joint statement on Thursday that they confirmed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed by the Israeli military in the southern Gaza city of Rafah."
This does not look like a Hamas report.
Of course this report is not from Hamas. I was commenting on the daily deaths total that Hamas puts out. They never mention how many fighters were killed.
And he was commenting on the "three terrorists" killed. That certainly wasn't reported by Hamas. Why don't you reply to what he said instead of going off on one of your Hasbara troll-like comments?
Why don't you comment on my comment that Hamas never reports how many fighters that they lost? Instead you go off one of your pro-terrorists anti Israel rants. You have not mention the word "genocide" in the last few comments.
Unlike the Israelis who lie about their military deaths during the war to cover up the debacle, Hamas reports all fighters killed after the war. The Israelis role out the real numbers later when the dirty deeds have been done. Like Netanyahu they scuttle corruption charges and trial from one crime to another. Shameless people. Hezbollah actually reports on fighter deaths almost contemporaneous with the events. Anyway both are better than Israel on this score.
Because it wasn't irrelevant to what he said. You couldn't figure that out? And the only one, between the two of us, who supports terrorism is you. Like I've said before, find anything I said that supports Hamas or shut the fuck up. I'm against the slaughter of innocent human beings and the numbers prove that Israel has slaughtered thousands upon thousands more innocents in the last 12 months than Hamas could ever even hope to attempt. And they've done so in ways that make normal people cringe. That apparently excludes you.
The Gaza government numbers are under reported. Logically speaking 50% of the population is under 21. Another half of the population are female. Then there are male folk over 65. So how many Hamas terrorists do you think Israel killed?
Lancet estimates 118,000 (several months ago).
The group of 65 medical professionals who rendered aid (one, a Jew,Dr. Perlmutter, MD), and sent an open letter to the Biden administration, estimates more than the Lancet estimate.
The report neglects the video of Sinwar, missing a hand and part of an arm, defiantly throwing a stick at a drone.
He was finally killed,not by an heroic assault by an IDF soldier, but by a TANK SHELL.
IDF soldiers are too busy shooting kids.
The drone footage shows he was injured. You are confusing the missing arm with the American hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin, who lost his arm defending his friends from Hamas grenades. He was later shot in the head and dumped in a tunnel by brave Hamas freedom fighters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_killing_of_Hersh_Goldberg-Polin
Or who the "three terrorists" were. Or why they were terrorists.
When you have Hamas fighters using civilians as human shields, then civilians die.
Not going to matter. He's already been replaced, no doubt, just like Hezbollah immediately replaced everyone killed in the Beirut bombing.
As predicted, Israel has killed Sinwar. The top five leaders of Hamas along with the top 4 leaders of Hezbollah who started this war are dead. It is time for Hamas to release the hostages and lay down their weapons.
Nope, there is no reason for anyone to capitulate to the terrorist genocidal acts of Israel. Why would the resistance who is stronger than ever give an ounce to a weaker and more pathetic adversary? Ask yourself this..why has Israel not defeated either Hamas, or gain any ground in Lebanon?? The IDF are weak, and are only brave when killing woman and children. Gaza will never be settled by illegal squatters..bet on that.
"no reason for anyone to capitulate" So you would prefer the war to continue to the tune of 40,000 Palestinians deaths per year. That was Sinwar's plan but he is dead now. Time for a new plan.
Israel has chosen a path that it has always wanted. October 7th was just a causes belli. Israel wants a Gaza free of all Palestinians. Your “buddies” Ben Givr, and Smotrich want the mass extermination of the Palestinians. I bet you must be so proud of their goals Tim! Congrats!! The new plan is the removal of Israeli terror, and mass murder…pass the popcorn.
Read the posts above. israel is self destructing as it splatters mayhem all over the world.
The decapitated Lebanese just destroyed 2 Merkava MBTs, that makes 17 destroyed since 1.Oct
At some point even the Likud will realize it’s time to sue for peace
2400 Lebanese have died so far in the war. For what? 17 tanks. Not a good exchange.
The propaganda of the Zionists is laughable. They are only murdering innocent civilians. They are not killing Hezbollah, but Hezbollah are killing IDF…
Don't be silly. You know very well that IDF is killing a lot Hezbollah fighters.
Spare me your satire Tim..prove it…sure Israel has targeted and killed some of Hezbollah’s leadership, but they have not made any dent in killing Hezbollah fighters. On the contrary Hezbollah is making great strides in removing IDF terrorists from Lebanon…
Prove that they have not killed many Hezbollah fighters.
I do not need to prove anything Tim, you made the remark..show Us where the IDF is winning in southern Lebanon and taking out Hezbollah fighters…it aint happening…
Read the post above
You keep telling us that it’s deliberate policy of the IDF to kill civilians.
Israel population of 7 million. Muslim world 1.8 billion and if you count free loving people of the world maybe another billion. Israel will lose as it slaughters. The blood will get above their heads. They will have committed suicide by drowning in someone else's blood. And then the surviving Muslims, let's say about a couple of hundred million will come in to clean up the mess Israel left behind. No matter how you look at it Israel is gone.
This one was truly brilliant. It made me laugh out loud. But then, I reflected and realized that these bots just don't realize how the Arab and Muslim world is boiling over. Killing their leaders means only two things 1) a swell in the ranks of new one to take their places and new foot soldiers and 2) if the Israelis were devastated by Nasrallah and termed Sinwar's Oct. 7th a genocide what kind of leaders do they think will take their places to stop this lunatic state?
Indeed – it’s always a error to assasinatd poltucal
Leaders. The devil you know and all that.
"Who started this War?" This War started long before any of those Hamas leaders were ever born. If you ever read a history book you would know that.
The current war was started by Hamas on Oct 7. If you read any history who would know history has inflection points. An easy example for you to follow: On September 1, 1939 is marked as the start of WW2. Yes one could argue that WW2 was just another round of war WW1. But it was not. It was a new war.
There have been many wars between Arabs and Israel since 1948. This war between Hamas and Israel is another one. Like all wars, the side that started the war believes they are justified in starting the war. Hamas believe they were justified in starting this war because of the past actions of Israel. That does not change the fact that they started this war.
And it doesn't change the fact that none of that gibberish means a pinch of shit. Israel's response was/is barbaric. Period. Nothing you say can change that. Nothing. Israel chose to be barbarians. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see that. That is what makes people like you so sickening.
The fact is the past year has been the worst year in modern Israel’s 76 year history of trying to suppress and erase the Palestinians. Trying to bomb the Palestinians into submission and surrender has caused irreparable damage to Israel’s already tarnished reputation.
OMG, LOL. nonsense. These aren't two equal parties. "It's the occupation, stupid" Go look at the Hamas put out videos. The one I liked the most, and there are many, are the Hamas fighters attacking a makeshift encampment they are barefooted sneaking up a sand hill. This is against nuclear armed Israel.
Oct. 7, was the continuation of Nakba from way back in 1948, the beginning of the never ending slow motion genocide of the Palestinian people.
Oct. 7, was no more than an upheaval of the prisoners in the worlds biggest and most cruel open air prison.
The genocide of the Palestinian people shows how greedy and beastly the Israelis and Americans really are.
I don't think facts work with this person. Such a strong point. Hamas was created in 1987-88. That's 20 years after the 1967 occupation and 40 years after the nakba. But of course why would he admit this?
correction after not before?
Yes thanks I edited that mistake.
correction after not before?
You fool. This is only the start.
Talk about pipe dreams. This reminds me of the old Roots series scene where the task master is whipping kunta kintai in to submission by making him accept his master given name, Toby. After many whippings the task master breaths a sigh of relief when Kunta finally gave up. I think that's what calmed their guilty consciences. "Oh, see they accept their subjugation". The problem here is that Hamas isn't going anywhere. They are gaining more recruits than they can actively train at the moment because of the holocaust currently underway in Gaza, but give it a little time. Muslims across the globe are raising the necessary funds. I think Ramadan will be a great month for a huge spike in donations.
There is a man who fought for freedom his entire life.
And he got a lot on innocent people killed in the process. They did not called him the "The Butcher of Khan Younis" because he was a good person. He killed Palestinians with the same joy as he killed Israelis. He watch 10,000s Palestinians get killed and called it "necessary losses".
He didn’t just watch Palestinians get killed. He was an active personal at first hand serial killer of Palestinians long before last October 7.
He was a murderous scumbag. His death makes the world in general a better place, and for Palestinians in particular a safer place. I don’t necessarily know that he was a worse enemy of the average Palestinian than, say, Netanyahu or Ben-Gvir, but he certainly wasn’t a better friend to the average Palestinian than either of them.
Serial killer. Nonsense. reserve that one for netanyahu and co.
Sinwar and Netanyahu are peas in a pod. They just chose different murder cults to lead.
You are trying to make Netanyahu look good by demonizing Sinwar without evidence.
Netanyahu is a mass killer, the evidence is all around us. There is no excuse for his war crimes and you show poor judgement if you try to make him look good.
Netanyahu is a very evil creature, not a real man.
I have no interest in making Netanyahu look any better than his brother from another mother, Sinwar.
They’re both mass-murdering scumbags.
That’s just a fact.
You don’t have to like the fact that it’s a fact.
It’s a fact whether you like the fact that it’s a fact or not.
Sinwar is motivated by honest self-defense and his and his siblings lives and human rights, their survival and their human right to live in dignity.
Netanyahu is motivated by basic greed for more land, the land that belongs to the Palestinian people. He never has enough.
That is a big difference you refuse to see. Sinwar was not a masochist what you expect from him, and Netanyahu's greed and sadism is not the same.
There is a difference of moral rights.
Thomas, stop and think, you make no sense at all.
Sinwar was imprisoned by Israelis for 20 years and the Israelis continued the evil and sadistic killings and they still do. Their snipers killing babies and children are IDF scumbags, terrorists.
How many Palestinians were killed during the 20 years?
You are measuring with two measurements.
Without people like Netanyahu, Biden, Harris and Trump the world would be a much better place.
He didn't kill 10,000 people, the Israeli's did this dastardly deed as they do all over Palestine. Where is your blame of Netanyahu for the premeditated destruction of Gaza and the mass murder of forty two thousand people??
Sinwar's decision to attack Israel resulted in the counter attack that led to the deaths of 10,000s of people living in Gaza. No attack on Oct 7 and no counter attack in Gaza. A simple fact that terrorists supporter don't understand.
Israel chose to go on a mass murder spree, because they wanted to. Sinwar didn’t pull the trigger or control Israel’s premeditated homicidal actions. Regardless of October 7th Israel has been killing Palestinians with regularity since 1948. Sinwar rejected Israeli terror, apartheid and mass murder. You can scapegoat, but you, and those like you are as bad as the IDF doing “your” bidding…
Israel knew of the attack 3 days in advance with Egypt's warning. They also had warnings from their own IDF soldiers. And in order to have civilians available to be killed, the IDF refused to give a heads up to the organizers of the music festival. You might like to continue ignoring that, but it is a known fact. Israel allowed this to happen so they could get the number of deaths they needed to justify what they are doing now. But even if they were innocent victims, their response was still a disproportionate slaughter (GEONCIDE) that didn't take into consideration the lives of innocent human beings. Which makes you a supporter of terrorism also. But you support the terrorists without peers.
After murdering thousands, Netanyahu lectured to the US Congress with a straight face and said, “The devil made me do it.” That age-old excuse made famous by Flip Wilson. Anytime you do something you know you shouldn't do, just blame it on the devil.
He must have meant to say, Putin made me do it, but it was off topic so he said devil, but he meant simple EVIL one less letter.
If you can justify the cruelty of the occupier you should have enough brain to understand the justification and the rights of the Palestinian people.
Starting with the Nakbar and almost a century of brutality and cruelty the Palestinians have suffered, they are justified to kill Israelis, 100 times over.
And again, Hamas is a resistance movement, not terrorist like the IDF SCUM.
Get real, use your head if you can.
You are deflecting. The problem was never Sinwar. The problem is Israel and the occupation. Get rid of those 2 things and the defenseless Palestinians would not need the likes of Sinwar. he was the right man at the right time. I am afraid the next Oct. 7th will pale in comparison. However, it will be those seeking freedom that will finally end this miserable bloodshed caused by a group of people who think they are superior to others.
This is more than just implausibly stupid.
How can you take such BS seriously, analyze it, does it make sense to you?
he was a disgusting human being
How so??
hmm lets see here… named the Butcher of Khan Yunis… “enjoyed seeing Palestinians die as much as Israelis,” one of the chief writers of a 20 page anti semitic conspiracy theory riddled “manifesto” that challenges Mein Kampf in pure narrative glory (s), and definitely an unhinged anti semite who probably wants (oops – wantED) all jews dead
wrong, all this hyperbolic recycled allegations of his oppressors. Not to be taken seriously. However, the issue isn't Sinwar. the issue is the illegal brutal occupation. Help me to end it. Sinwar is gone, unfortunately its still here. Will you help me to end it?
Who named him the Butcher of Khan Yunis? Where is this manifesto? you didn't post any links..How do you know he was an antisemite? maybe he just finds Zionists to be intolerable and focused on the destruction of the Palestinians…That might spawn some negativity..right? Do you care about Jews, or just perpetuating Zionist propaganda??
The Ukrainian colors are blue/yellow.
What does your red/black avatar stand for?
Sounds like an anti-Semitic Azov- battalion pamphlet. How does it relate to Sinwar?
finally
the israeli scum are clearing out the palstinian scum
There is no Palestinian scum…you call a resistance to apartheid, premeditated mass murder, terrorism, land theft scum?? How so? Do you know what happened on October 7th? Israel employed a mass Hannibal directive that alowed the IDF to murder hundreds of its own civilians..no burned babies, no beheadings…yes their were some Israeli soldiers who died, and civilians, but who allowed October 7th to happen?? A year later it is obvious that Israel wanted this…
i have a feeling you don’t give a rats ass about the palestinian cause you just want to advance your political ideas
My political ideas….hmm, I was pretty clear that I am Pro Palestinian…it seems that you are unaware of what is happening, or you would have some sense of outrage at what the Zionists have been doing for more than year…
"Israel employed a mass Hannibal directive" Pure fiction. There were a small number of friendly fire incidents but nothing in order of "mass". The idea that Israel want to lose 1200 people is just plain stupid.
Haaretz reported this directive in detail, and it was real Tim, furthermore the IDF used helicopter gunships to murder Israelis and Palestinians alike. Prove I am wrong. I didn’t say that Israel killed 1200 people btw. You are a master of fiction here..your defense of the the crimes of Israel are beyond abhorrent and fiendish…https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-07/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-ordered-hannibal-directive-on-october-7-to-prevent-hamas-taking-soldiers-captive/00000190-89a2-d776-a3b1-fdbe45520000
You're right facts, don't matter to this person.
Tim can't accept and deal with the facts. He is in deep denial or just a paid for troll.
"Many", as reported in Israeli newspapers, isn't a small number. They blew up vehicles that were headed for Gaza knowing full well there were hostages in those vehicles. They fired tank rounds into Israeli homes. Of course I had to read this in Israeli newspapers. And it isn't pure fiction they wanted to lose 12200 people although there was no specific number. They knew they couldn't get away with such a disproportionate response (GENOCIDE) without a big number. Those pithy single- and double-digit Israeli deaths in previous conflicts with Hamas would only allow Israel to respond by killing a few thousand. With Oct 7th, they got exactly what they wanted but they had to be sure.
"And it isn't pure fiction they wanted to lose 12200 people " What leader of any country would want to lose 12200. That would be more Israelis killed in all their major wars in one day. I have no idea where you would come up with a number like 12200?
Now that was indeed a typo. Unlike you using the word "save" instead of "say" and saying it was a typo. I hit the number 2 twice obviously. Now tell me how you typed save instead of say. Is the "ve" right next to the "y"?
What leader of any country would want to lose 12200. That would be more Israelis killed in all their major wars in one day.
Yes, indeed it would. Now think about that. ONLY 12200 in ALL THEIR MAJOR WARS. Now think about how many have been killed in Gaza. 12200 would be something the Palestinians could only dream about.
The typo is plausible, obvious 1 200 is the official number in use.
What wars? Israelis don't fight wars, they bomb and kill unarmed civilians, mostly, 2/3 rd. women and children. They use snipers to kill children including babies. That is called genocide massacres of a nation.
You will deny it, I know. But the evidence is proof.
Wishful thinking.
The evidence does not support you. Even the Israeli IDF scum had to admit they allowed the Hannibal rule and Israelis killed Israelis
UNFAIR. Like any other human being a Palestinian who is bad can be "scum" but this is not Sinwar. Apartheid Israel needed a sinwar not mother Teresa. And his moral compass objectively shames Netanyahu and co.
Nah. Sinwar was a murderous scumbag just like Netanyahu or Biden or Putin or Zelenskyy or Macron or Starmer.
They are not all the same, you can't get away with that kind of statement, you should add Hitler, Stalin and Pole Pott and many more.
How can you judge him, what do you know about him, and what do you think 20 years in an Israeli prison does to a man? Should he love the Israelis?
People hate Russians, people who have done nothing to them, but they hate them because they were told to hate them.
The Palestinians are resisting brutal and cruel occupation, Hamas are a resistance organization, they fight with what they have. The IDF sniper scum is killing babies with bullets in the heads and chests and Biden approves of it, he funds it sells 2000 lb. bombs and cluster bombs and more.
The Palestinians are the victims the Israelis robbed them of their land like the Anglo Saxons robbed the American Indians, that too was genocide.
There is much more, it is a question of morals and conscience. Anyone with a shred of decency has to be deeply ashamed for the criminals we elected.
I voted for the lesser of two evil, I was wrong, Biden is really as evil as it gets.
I don’t hate anyone.
I just notice that someone who murders people is a murderer.
Sinwar murdered people. And when there weren’t any Israelis around, he was just as happy to murder Palestinians. And brag about it.
Thomas, that goes for every soldier, including American soldiers, soldiers are killers. Sinwar was happy to murder Palestinians? Frankly that accusation without real evidence is a normal part of demonizing strong opposition leaders, like Putin and Sinwar. Just watched a you tube of Iris Bernstein an Israeli right wing politician. A must watch what she has to say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGjScvgzSBo
Yes, soldiers are killers.
Your disinterest in Sinwar’s actual attitudes and actions creates no obligation on my part to pretend he was something other than what he was just to make it easier for you to to retain your self-imposed ignorance.
I can't judge the man. I am sure he hated Israelis, how could it be otherwise after 20 years imprisonment. What was his crime, do you know? Other than that he was happy to murder Palestinians, his own people, any details?
Educating you is your job, not mine.
Thomas, it is up to you to clarify your allegations, you should have learned that a long time ago.
If you know you post it.
@knappster:disqus@renatelittlejohn:disqus Thomas, do you understand or read Arabic? The only way to "judge "Sinwar is to study the man and given that he lived in prison most of his life (because Gaza has been under blockade on and off since the 50's, e.g. 1956 tripartite aggression, 1967 etc.) I would think that you a) either know Arabic and b) you visited or follow Gaza. Otherwise, this judging of who is a murderer and who is not only makes sense in a court of law that respects the rule of law. What is true is that Israeli hasbara claimed they didn't want to kill him because he was hiding behind the Israeli captives (that they don't care about) or that he was hiding like a rat in tunnels or that he was smuggled out of Gaza. Again, because you have no idea of our world you can't begin to imagine how he he is being hailed a hero by the Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims and free loving people of the world. He died fighting in the bosom of his people. The Israelis will come to regret releasing that video of him throwing a stick at the drone. Iconic. The lucky/unlucky 5 year olds who survive this latest extermination push of Israel will be more surly, tougher, stronger than Sinwar. Finally, Sinwar and Hamas function within an Islamic moral code. I am assuming other than western bias and media you have no idea what that is. The way that Hamas has treated its captives, fought this war compared to the Israelis puts them to shame. No, Sinwar was not a murderer. He was not like Netanyahu and co.
Where do you think I claimed to “judge” anyone? I’m not a court. Noticing that Sinwar was a murdering scumbag is just noticing a fact, not attempting to impose legal penalties for it.
Murder has a meaning in the law. The way you seem to use it for Sinwar indicates it was done without justification. Assuming he killed someone, under the circumstances that killing could be in self defense or otherwise justified. Capital punishment is sanctioned in many countries, whether we accept it or not. You calling him a scumbag is not because its a fact that he is a murderer. You just believe Palestinians have to be perfect victims in order to earn some ideal "humanity on a pedestal." Palestinians like him are showing the world human dignity and honor as "victims" of Israel's inhumanity to man. It is not a serious argument to expect perfection from Palestinians while they are being slaughtered like animals in thousands. Instead of equating Sinwar to Netanyahu the world conscience should stop Netanyahu. If there were more murdering scumbags like Sinwar we would be living in a much better world then Netanyahu and co.
“You just believe Palestinians have to be perfect victims in order to earn some ideal ‘humanity on a pedestal.'”
It’s not nice to lie about me. Or about anyone else.
Hmm, sure
Where is the evidence to prove it?
Your opinion is a judgement based on what you believe to be true.
Which part of “educating someone who is completely committed to remaining ignorant at all costs isn’t my job” do you not understand?
Yahya Sinwar, a prominent leader of Hamas, has a long history of involvement in violent activities. He was sentenced to four life terms in prison by an Israeli court in 1989 for his role in the killing of suspected Palestinian informers and plotting to murder two Israeli soldiers12. Sinwar spent 22 years in prison before being released in a prisoner exchange in 2011″ FYI in case you missed it.
Thomas, stick to the facts, that is more constructive.
Why so touchy?
I’m not “touchy.” I just see no reason to attempt to educate someone who has demonstrated over and over that she doesn’t give a tinker’s dam about facts if those facts conflict with worship of the particular mass murderers she likes.
Yahya Sinwar, a prominent leader of Hamas, has a long history of involvement in violent activities. He was sentenced to four life terms in prison by an Israeli court in 1989 for his role in the killing of suspected Palestinian informers and plotting to murder two Israeli soldiers12. Sinwar spent 22 years in prison before being released in a prisoner exchange in 2011
FYI " Yahya Sinwar, a prominent leader of Hamas, has a long history of involvement in violent activities. He was sentenced to four life terms in prison by an Israeli court in 1989 for his role in the killing of suspected Palestinian informers and plotting to murder two Israeli soldiers12. Sinwar spent 22 years in prison before being released in a prisoner exchange in 2011"
Take note: " suspected Palestinian informers and plotting to murder two IDF soldiers. That is an Israeli court, not known for justice in cases of Palestinians.
Headline from Haaretz from the same day this supposedly happened: "Netanyahu's Likud Party Issues Invitation to Event Titled 'Preparing to Settle Gaza.'"
At least they aren't using rape as a weapon of genocide and ethnic cleansing. Oh no wait, they are.
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/262/79/pdf/n2426279.pdf
Also shooting children in the head. Then baiting people who come to help.
For confirmation, view the video in Caitlin Johnston's column.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/10/19/whats-happening-in-northern-gaza-proves-israel-lied-about-everything/
This ends the "peace process" that Netanyahu has wanted to end since he promised to kill the Oslo Accords as soon as they were signed.
So now, it is war.
We can only hope that in the long war to follow, Israel loses and is destroyed.
Gaza ought to become a museum like the death camps of Germany, and Israeli survivors must be forced to tour them and atone. Then to pay for what they have done for generations, just as Germany has done.
This will mean a Palestine governed by Palestinians, policed by Palestinians, in which disarmed and de-Nazified Israelis are welcome only on good behavior.
Now it is war!?
A few million Israelis, Lebanese and Palestinians may beg to differ..
Seems that the last year is large video game for you.
keep in mind that this war could either end with a ceasefire (the Levant equivalent of peace) or break the nuclear taboo, currently held by humanity. The 2nd option means less video game for you to play.
The "nuclear taboo" would and could only be broken by one side in this conflict.
Attacking Palestinians and Lebanon, and eventually Syria, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, maybe even Turkey, are ALL wars of choice for the Apartheid State of Israel.
Genocide, ethnic cleansing, and wars of conquest have NO moral justifications.
Attacking is NOT self-defense – particularly when NO effort has been put into diplomatic means of resolving differences.
israelis arent nazis and all israelis arent bad
All German NS weren’t bad…
i never . they were all bad
I assume “NS” means the redundant phrase “National Socialist?”
I guess that depends on whether devotion to an irredeemably evil and anti-human set of philosophies (nationalism and socialism) is inherently bad, or whether being confused or stupid is an excuse.
If you are mentally effective enough to function in the IDF, then you are morally and legally culpable for what the IDF is doing. The genocide is being live streamed, published on all media and posted with pride by IDF members on their social media accounts.
When peace comes anyone who served in the IDF during the current genocide should not be permitted to live or vote in Israel or Palestine unless they can prove that they resisted the genocide.
Palestinians should not have to live in close proximity to people who are massacreing their children.
It’s funny. You still don’t get it. Were the govt in “Palestine” more amenable to peace ( let’s remember Jews claim ancestral
Right to the territory, Jews are true decolonizers ), there wouldn’t be hundreds of miles of tunnels built. And there is no genocide.
I would guess if the Palestine government was being backed by a superpower with billions of dollars in state of the art weaponry and military assets protecting their back, they probably wouldn't have any need for those tunnels. And if what is happening in Gaza were happening in Israel it wouldn't be called a genocide then either. It would be called another HOLOCAUST.
Zionists claim “ancestral Right to the territory.”
Don’t tar all Jews with the Zionist brush. Zionists “represent” Jews in the same way and to the same extent that the Ku Klux Klan “represents” whites.
Brilliant, thank you.
Neither nationalism or socialism are irredeemably evil or anti-human on their own and they mean different things in different contexts. Nazism or national-socialism is not the same as nationalism or socialism or a combination or sum or mixture of the two.
National-socialism is a distinct historical ideology, a far right sociopolitical ideology, besides its bellicosity and expansionism, cartoonishly defective Fuhrer prinzip, the main defect and cause of all the evil that the Holocaust entails was a pseudoscientific race theory, and the supremacy of a particular race, in the case of Nazism Aryans.
For Zionism the main defect is exactly the same, racist supremacism. And it results in exactly the same evil. Dehumanization, oppression, separation, purification and eventually genocide. The differences between Nazism and Zionism are unimportant and increasingly superficial and inconsequential, for in essence it is exactly the same thing.
And the world is being instructed by the Zionists in Israel, the US and Western Europe that this is so. There is no wir haben is nicht gewusst on this planet for anyone anywhere. No amount of cleverly constructed rethorical apologetic gymnastics will save you from drwoning in that morass.
And like Nazism, Zionism is simply incompatible with the future of humanity. Zionism will go the same way as Nazism. It may not be immediate, but it is inevitable.
Agreed. All Christians are not Nazis and not all Christians are bad.
I sort of hope the Palestinians are evacuated. But who would take them in?
No one. When Egypt occupied Gaza, Egypt did not treat the Palestinians so good either.
But Egypt and all other Arab countries as we so often have been informed are backward and uncivilized unlike the morally advanced and civilized and the only democracy in the region Israel.
And that has what to do with the fact the Egypt never gave people in Gaza citizenship in Egypt? Nor did Egypt want Gaza back when Egypt and Israel made their peace agreement.
What it has to do with is the fact that Israel is supposed to be the "good guys" with shared values of the US. In other words, the terroristic Israelis are supposed to be different than the "backward and uncivilized" Arab countries. They're not. In fact, they have proved to be far more backwards and uncivilized by their ongoing genocide on the Palestinians living in Gaza. Ironically, that DOES prove they share our values.
The point remains the Egypt and all other Arab nations may support Palestinians, but they don't want them in their country. There is one temporary exception, Jordon. From 1950 to 1967 Jordan allowed Palestinians to be citizens. But after 1967, Jordan also was glad to get rid of them as Jordan never wanted the West Bank back.
No one wants refugees. But your real point was to make Palestinians seem like subhuman. Just like the terroristic parasitic apartheid practicing Israelis do.
Just like the nazis did.
Why should the Palestinians leave their lands and be refugees in other countries? Regardless of the criminal occupation, and the laughable rhetoric about the fake Judea and Samara fantasy Palestine being the West Bank, and Gaza belongs to the Palestinians, not the Zionist occupiers.
Further, when the Palestinians moved to Jordan – they tried to overthrow the government.
Israeli Arabs enjoy more freedom and rights than any other Arabs or Muslims. Ask the Ba'hai about life in Iran, or Shia in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, where they are regularly slaughtered.
In fact, the Ba'hai have their world headquarters in Israel. Gee, why is that?
How about the Old South? They share a lot of values in common.
"We can only hope that in the long war to follow, Israel loses and is destroyed" Well the Anti-Israel fan club, of which you are a member, has been making that statement for 76 years. It has not happen.
Netayahu, Smotrich, Ben Gavir, and their ilk must be put on trial and then executed for the crimes they have already committed. Is that clear enough?
And that is not going to happen. I know you are upset at Sinwar's death so you are resorting to fantasy to help with your grief.
Sinwar was a man, and fought resisting a cowardly and fiendish occupier who is only brave when killing men woman and children from the air. The Zionist Colony is committing self suicide. You should awaken to reality….
You need to read about Sinwar if you believe he was a "man". Read about him killing Palestinians. Or read about him having six of the hostages killed because he was under the impression the Israel was closing in on him.
Who were the Palestinians that he killed Tim? Did he murder in the way that the IDF and IAF murder? IF he murdered Palestinians then shame on him, but your sect is infatuated with pushing Zionist terrorism and mass murder onto the Palestinians at every turn…ITS THEIR FAULT. This bs does not fly anymore…
"Who were the Palestinians that he killed" As I said read about him and you will find out the admitted to killing multiple Palestinians personally that he considered traitors.
I do not condone the murder of any civilian. If he killed Zionist informants instead of jailing them then he is at fault, especially if they didn’t get a trial, but then again he may be exacting revenge for Zionists targeted murders of Palestinian and Lebanese leaders.
Agreed. Its a brutal tactic that the Israelis use. Killing collaborators is a difficult issue but you have to understand the harm they have caused by giving information that has led to the slaughter of thousands. This is the kind of information Israel uses to blow up homes and targets without regard to who will be killed. The bastards exploit these informants with sex, promises cancer treatment for their famillies etc. They treat Palestinians like animals and then claim they are violent, backwards, etc. The Israelis are deranged.
He is accused of killing collaborator(s).
I would think that would be the case, unlike so many who drink US and Israeli kool-aid I doubt that he was focused on murdering those who he defends.
He is accused of killing people he said were collaborators.
Which, in Gaza, tended to mean anyone opposed to Hamas’s brutal misrule.
In fact, that was clearly the main motivation for the October 7 attack. Hamas was having trouble suppressing the protests against it, and murdering a few people as “Israeli collaborators” wasn’t sufficient to cow the population. So instead of just continuing to be Bad Cop, they brought in Israel as Worse Cop.
Why don't you give us some links instead of just telling us what you read.
It’ll happen eventually, maybe. I’m from the Old South… We’re out of power, now.
So, does the "Old South" support the traitors who attacked the United States to support slavery? And you want to take the moral high road? They were the most despicable people in human history.
it is hilarious, if it wasn't so pathetic, how when the Zionists were riding high in America they were selective in their outrages over oppression (e.g., JDL) now that they are being expose to the world for what they are, they are attacking everyone. This victimhood is a vicious circle they continue to experience. Someone get them a psychiatrist.
Indeed…here here! These cowards are the utter dregs of humanity. They should be dropped into Palestine and let justice take its course…
Killing those who would destroy you is not "cowardice". But if you are brave, why not go to Gaza to defend Hamas? What is stopping you?
Hamas has no intention of destroying Israel..never did, they just want the illegal occupation to end, and the stoppage of Zionist mass murder campaigns. If I had the weapons to do so I would, unlike people like you who are unaware and blame those at the end of the gun barrel. Oh the satire of the blind….
"Hamas has no intention of destroying Israel..never did," You clearly have not read Hamas charter.
I did and they revised it in 2017 where they stated they would accept an Israeli state on the 1967 borders…Tell me about the Likud charter…they wants a pure Zionist state on occupied lands…
Nope. From the 2017 Hamas charter:
" Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus."
Also from the 2017 Hamas charter:
"The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah;"
If you find a statement that accepts Israel as a nation in charter posted it.
The Palestine Liberation Organization has accepted the concept of a two-state solution since the 1982 Arab Summit. In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel. Tim you are completely upside down. Here is the Likud Charter Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:
a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.
1. Hamas clearly had one goal – destroying Israel. All evidence supports this, including their own internal documents.
2. The only "illegal occupation" was by Hamas. They were not the legal government in Gaza and they illegally occupied the territory. The legal government in Gaza was the Palestinian Authority. Israel left Gaza in 2005.
3. If you want to support the illegal occupation of Gaza by Hamas, you should go there.
4. I am not "unaware". Clearly the same cannot be said about you, as everything you wrote has no connection to reality.
1. Hamas clearly had no goals, but to upset the ongoing illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, and exact some revenge against Israeli targeted killings and terrorism.
2. Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank and Gaza since 1967 under UN mandate 242 Israel was to with draw from this illegal occupation. Hamas does not occupy ANYONE. Gaza has been an open air prison with no ability sovereignty over its territory.
3. If you are so maligned and out of touch with the facts maybe you should read more fiction…your too funny!
4) There There, it will be okay..have some warm milk and read more Israeli propaganda. Cheers
You’re so misinformed. By any historic precedent, Israel has rightfully annexed portion of land after winning their defensive war in 1967.
Gaza hasn’t been occupied since 2025.
By implicitly supporting Hamas, it tells a lot about your care for ordinary ‘Palestinians’.
yesterday was good news. Long live Israel! Israel FTW!!
There was nothing defensive about the 67 war..It was a war to expand territory. You are pushing a known fairy tale. Furthermore Israel had no legal right to occupy and squat on the lands that is claimed. 2025? Hmm, that’s next year Steve..you meant 2005, and even then Israel STILL occupied the borders, and controlled all of the water and food stocks coming into Gaza. I support a two state solution, and the removal of the current terrorist government in Israel. Hamas is the Palestinians only defense. BTW, It was the Zionists who calculated with a premeditated determination to commit genocide..Hamas had nothing to do with Zionist bloodlust in Palestine. Here is a good an very accurate read about 1967.. https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/a-50-year-occupation-israels-six-day-war-started-with-a-lie/
Defending your nation and your people from people openly dedicated to your destruction is no crime.
Meanwhile, one of the architects of the War on Terror – in which your country killed over one million people – is supporting your Democratic candidate, which you will probably vote for. Much hypocrisy.
Israel is not defending its people, or the nation as a whole, they could care less about their economy or population. It is keeping Bibi in power and pushing terror, theft and murder against peoples it wants to dominate by force. The actions of the Israeli government and their policies of murder AGAINST their own citizenry via the mass Hannibal directive and outright murdering hostages tells a completely different story than what you portray.
Look at all those disgusting Dracula Zombies you woke up.
What absurd comments.
1. Hamas was dedicated to the destruction of Israel. If you seek to destroy a people, they will fight back. Does the surprise you?
2. Why hope that Israel is destroyed? First of all, Israel has the right to defend itself, as any nation does. Second, Hamas does not. They are not a legitimate government; they illegally occupy Gaza, and have no claim on Israel. Third, Israel is by law a "major non-NATO ally," which means the US is required by law to defend it. Israel provides the US with military and computer technology, so hoping for its destruction means making the United States weaker. If that is your goal, then say that.
3. Your comparison to German death camps is grotesque. The Nazis had insane racial theories that classified some groups as inherently evil – to be destroyed. German death camps existed only for the systematic extermination of a people based on false science. The destruction of Gaza was due to the stated goal of Hamas, which was the complete destruction of Israel. It was entirely avoidable, if Hamas: 1) Lived peacefully with Israel. Despite centuries of Jewish history in Gaza, Israel left Gaza in 2005 and even allowed billions of dollars of aid to enter the country. The destruction could also have been avoided if 2) Hamas simply surrendered and released all hostages.
It is also worth noting that Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which shared many values with the Nazis, who supported them in the 1930s-40s. The Muslim Brotherhood translated Mein Kampf into Arabic and helped distribute it.
4. Calling Israelis "Nazis" is also a grotesque misuse of language. Arab Israelis are not exterminated in Israel; in fact, Arab Israelis have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world; and they live longer than African Americans in your country (78 vs. 77 years, or 60 years in some parts of America, like Chicago).
So, maybe you should worry more about our own country's racism. What are you doing to change that? Or are you too busy calling Israelis Nazis? I guess so.
Sorry I got tired of the Zionist hasbara on the 1st point. Couldn't finish to the end. Look at my comments above.
You do not think it is grotesque that IDF snipers target children with gunshots to their heads and hearts? What is most astonishing is the behavior of illegal squatters in the WB, and the IDF who aid and abet them. Why do you suppose that so many people see comparisons of the Third Reich and Israeli military behavior? It is becoming more commonplace because Israel acts with a hubris, and murderous disregard for human life. What other state actor outside of the US acts this way?
The Israeli "peace process" is "The Palestinian genocide." "The Final Solution to the Palestinian question." Whoever is left from the Palestinians is ready and waiting in their already prepared "extermination camps."
Cool story bro
What nonsense. Israel left Gaza in 2006. All Hamas had to do was not murder Israelis. If they had done this, they would have a peaceful and prosperous society today.
And, by the way, Israeli Arabs have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. So, comparing how Israel works with peaceful Palestinians and Arabs with the Nazi genocide of Jews is not only inaccurate, but ignorant and grotesque.
Gaza already is. From concentration camp, to death camp. Pictoral evidence.
He died fighting, alongside his comrades, against a genocidal oppressor who had invaded his people's land. https://www.turkiyetoday.com/region/how-hamas-leader-sinwar-was-killed-an-ak-47-a-tactical-vest-and-who-was-with-him-66672/
If only we could all be so fortunate.
"fortunate" To be shot then bombed not my idea of "fortunate".
Rare reply to myself. New information indicates a single tank round was used to kill the three terrorists.
Who are you to call anyone a terrorist?? really, you call a resistance to apartheid, premeditated mass murder, total destruction of Gaza on purpose…you have no credibility Tim…
If you have a problem with me calling Hamas leaders terrorists take it up with the US government. They are the ones who classified Hamas as a terrorist group.
Hamas, and Hezbollah are resistance groups..resisting an illegal and violent apartheid. They have every right to use violence in response to the violence perpetrated upon them. This is not terrorism. It is laughable the way supporters of illegal colonial escapades misuse the word terrorism. Both the US and Israel are masters of terrorism, but their “lemmings’s” march lockstep in pushing horrendous propaganda. I have no faith that you will ever wake up and do what is right…
Yes, the same US government who supports Saudi Arabia.
Access a world map. highlight US, Most of Europe, Japan, a couple of Arab states. Both in land mass and population they are minorities. Then look at the rest of the world, China, Russia, the Middle East (of course Israel doesn't count and hopefully won't be around for long) the Muslim world, India, etc. and you will find Hamas is not designated as a terrorist organization.
Listen to Sinwar's speeches. He said that's how he wanted to die rather than by heart attack, stroke, etc. Everyone will die. Hanging on to life without dignity is vane.
Yahya spent his entire 62 years stateless in a refugee camp. The World failed him and all the other 6 million Israeli occupied Palestinians living without national rights in apartheid bantustans. As Elie Weisel would say, "How could the World remain silent?"
You forget the time he spent in jail for murder of Palestinians.
How do you know it is true? The Israelis imprisoned him, and they are not known to be honest and just.
The Israelis imprison no one for killing Palestinians, not even a criminal Palestinian. He was a resistance fighter, maybe he threw a stone at one of the IDF scums, but killing Palestinians? NO WAY. That would have been all over the MSM.
Some info a little detail of his crimes and violence.
"Yahya Sinwar, a prominent leader of Hamas, has a long history of involvement in violent activities. He was sentenced to four life terms in prison by an Israeli court in 1989 for his role in the killing of suspected Palestinian informers and plotting to murder two Israeli soldiers12. Sinwar spent 22 years in prison before being released in a prisoner exchange in 2011"
There is more, but the pertinent info is his role in killing suspected Palestinian informers and plotting to murder two Israeli soldiers. How much of it is true or made up is hard to tell especially when an Israeli court is involved. Anyway, it is the official version.
Thank you @warren_paine:disqus, even I as a Palestinian needed to be reminded of our humanity so I don't lose a bit of it to people like this. Thank you.
It has crossed my mind, maybe he was tired of it all and just wanted to die? Who could blame him?
He may have figured his death might end the wanton slaughter of his people in the Gaza Ghetto.
Israel’s Motto Is “We Can Have Peace Tomorrow If We Just Kill A Few More People Today”
But it’s always today. Tomorrow never comes.
You can’t murder, oppress and tyrannize people into obedience. You can kill off the people who oppose you, but in doing so you just create more people who oppose you. You can scorch the earth killing off every member of Hamas and Hezbollah, but in so doing you just ensure the birth of more Hamases and Hezbollahs.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/10/14/israels-motto-is-we-can-have-peace-tomorrow-if-we-just-kill-a-few-more-people-today/
You want to have peace in the Middle East, the Palestinians have to change their three NO policy. No peace, No negotiation and No recognition of Israel.
As compared to Israel's ONE policy? NO Palestine. They've said it out loud.
You want peace in the Middle East, Zionists should leave. Religious Jews and most Jews of the world (who don't live in Israel btw) believe that. I am now getting a bit upset at my European colleagues. Why did you throw your persecution problem of Jews on us their cousins who have objectively treated them better than any other group on the face of the earth?
What nonsense. Jews have been a majority in Jerusalem since the 1860s, yet somehow you think they should "just leave"?
Meanwhile, someone like Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian born in Cairo, is somehow entitled to stay in Israel? The logic is absurd.
You also ignore the fact that various Muslim empires that controlled the area blocked Jewish migration or land ownership for centuries.
And Israel did "just leave" Gaza in 2006, despite a Jewish history in Gaza that goes back to Roman times, because that would bring peace, right? Instead, Hamas illegally took over Gaza (they are not the legal government). Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was actively involved with the Nazis in the 1930s. So, did "just leaving" Gaza bring peace to Israel? Quite the opposite; 1,200 of their citizens were slaughtered. I guess that is your idea of peace.
He didn't say anything about Jews leaving Jerusalem.
Zionism is to Jews as the Ku Klux Klan is to caucasians.
For your information the so called the three Nos you mentioned were formulated by the Arab league way back in 1967. So many things has changed since then. History proves your point about the Palestinians to be wrong, false, and above all misleading since the three nos no longer exist. Israel on the other hand continues to deny the Palestinians every rights.
Really? Palestinians in Israel (Israeli Arabs) have more rights than any other Arabs. They also have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. In fact, Israeli Arabs have a longer life expectancy than African Americans (78 vs 77 years). So, if you want to talk about rights, why not look at your own country? In some American cities (Chicago), the difference in life expectancy is striking – 90 years vs. 60 years. So, I can see why you want to deflect attention from the deplorable situation in your own country, and focus on other countries – even though they are doing better than your own minorities. But you don't care about your own minority citizens. Such hypocrisy.
The PLO accepted peace with Israel. Got them nowhere.
Hamas agreed to the Biden peace plan back in May, 2024. Got them nowhere.
The brand of Zionists are on a "mission" to kill off all Palestinians, and threaten Arab nations, holding the nukes Israel has over their heads.
President Kennedy, removed by a coup, tried to get Israel from developing the bomb. Terse letters were exchanged between Kennedy and Ben-Gurion (one time member of the terrorist organization, Irgun).
I submit that Israel was on the list of patrons who celebrated Kennedy's death.
The PLO made peace with Israel and now controls the West Bank. They are supposed to control Gaza, but Hamas illegally occupies Gaza.
Israel is not on a mission to "kill off all Palestinians". What delusional nonsense.
Israeli Arabs actually have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world (78 years), which is longer than African Americans in your country (77 years). What have you done to address the inequity in your own country?
Israel is also at peace with Arab nations that don't try to kill them. They have peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt, and signed the Abraham accords.
As for the Kennedys, you conveniently forgot to mention that Bobby Kennedy was killed by a Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan, in response to his pro-Israel position.
Hamas won by elections. The PLO on the WB is a bucket full of s**t. Settlers are robbing the Palestinians blind and the PLO does nothing, at best they turn Palestinians fighting for there property over to IDF thugs. Without Hamas the people had no protection and the PLO and Abbas sold their people. There is much more of IDF SCUM's cruelty and brutality. There is much more, but so much of that for now.
You really should learn some history – you're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
Hamas did not become the rulers of Gaza by elections. They did that by a violent coup, after which the president dismissed the Hamas representatives.
The PA (not the PLO) is the internationally recognized government of the West Bank and Gaza. If you are concerned they are corrupt, the question is – compared to what? Syria? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Iran? Also, how is that relevant?
Hamas did not offer the people of Gaza "protection", as Israel left Gaza in 2006 and had no reason to attack until they were attacked. Gaza could have been a peaceful and prosperous territory, except Hamas insisted on pouring the billions of dollars in aid it received into planning an attack meant to "collapse" Israel. Hamas could also have surrendered any time and released its hostages – which still include 8 Americans.
The IDF protects their people. You apparently feel that is a bad thing. Suit yourself; Israel will continue to protect its people. But you are free to go to Gaza to fight the IDF, since you feel strongly about it.
Stick to the facts.
I have. Hamas is not a legal government and they illegally occupy Gaza. This is a fact.
You have no facts, just bumper stickers. Go back to Columbia, professor.
Israel is the illegal occupier of Gaza and the WB and Hamas was elected.
Those are bumper stickers, not facts.
Israel is involved in a war in Gaza, not occupying, but Hamas is actually the occupier by any legal or logical sense. They are not a legal government and the legal government in Gaza – by accords – is the Palestinian Authority.
Israel has agreements with the PA concerning the West Bank.
Hamas was not elected to rule over Gaza. They won a majority of seats in parliament, but the parliament was dissolved by the PA after Hamas illegally took over Gaza. The legal issues are pretty clear and undisputed. Hamas occupies Gaza and is not recognized internationally; even Egypt closed their border with Gaza.
The PLO serves as the Israeli prison guard.
Informed people know that, most of all the Palestinian people who are robbed of their properties with PLO people looking on not lifting a finger to protect them, they even turn the Palestinians over to the IDF scum, they are traitors of their people. That is true of Abbas, he did nothing for them either and lives a comfortable life.
If anyone is delusional it is you, Alexander.
So f**king what….?! The Resistance will continue…!
No one ever said that terrorists would quit just because they lost their leader. That assumes still was their leader. That is questionable of course because he caught with no fighters to protect him, no hostage shield and no one from Hamas bother to retrieve his body from the rubble.
That is questionable of course because he caught with no fighters to protect him, no hostage shield and no one from Hamas bother to retrieve his body from the rubble.
So, who exactly were the "three terrorists" Israel, and you, claim were killed along with him?
Resistance will not stop as long as there is the evil occupation exists.
Hamas and other Palestinian resistance groups are real freedom fighters, justified resistance, legal and recognized by most of the people in the whole world. Israel and the USA have isolated themselves, they are two evil rogue nations.
As sun set on Oct 7, 2023 Sinwar had a army estimated to be 30,000 strong. His forces had a massive underground tunnel system, rockets to hit Israel and anti tank weapons. Plus he just kidnapped over 200 Israelis. Fast forward to Oct 2024 and his army is nearly wiped out, the underground tunnel system mostly destroyed.
Forced out the tunnel system by the IDF Sinwar was caught above ground by a routine patrol. He was guarded by a total of 2 troops. Just 2! Both who left him. He was shot and his body just laid in the dust and dirt of a damaged building overnight. If Hamas even knew he was dead they didn't bother to get his body. He went from the leader of large army to being easily killed by a small patrol that did not even know who he was.
Deflecting! apart from the mischaracterization, the issue is stopping the brutal illegal occupation, do you want to help end it?
You can't seem to make up your mind. You just said this minutes ago:
That is questionable of course because he caught with no fighters to protect him, no hostage shield and no one from Hamas bother to retrieve his body from the rubble.
And now this:
He was guarded by a total of 2 troops. Just 2! Both who left him. He was shot and his body just laid in the dust and dirt of a damaged building overnight.
And that was after you said there was 3 terrorists that were killed along side of him in yet another comment you made. So, which is it? And who were those 3 terrorists if you're sticking with story number one?
Why do you waste your precious being for this idiot troll…?!
LOL! that's a good question. Apart from the amusement I get after a hard day's work is that may be it will deter other trolls from entering the fray, and then we can have a thoughtful, meaningful, something that will lead to good discussion as I always hoped would come out of these discussions.
It's a sickness. And I'm not interested in a cure.
LOL!!!! Another knee slapper. Sometimes, when some liars lie, they for get to keep track.
Sinwar was the product of 20 years of Israeli imprisonment. Without the cruel, criminal Israeli occupation there would be no Hamas. Oct. 7, forced the world to admit the inhumanity of the Israeli dehumanized Zionist monsters and their protector the USA. The monstrous, evil Zionists and neocons are to be seen by the whole world. Even evil Hitler pales next to them. They can't deny it, they are evil people.
I am guessing they thought there were school children in the building, hopefully a class full to slaughter and accidentally killed Sinwar? The Israelis are COWARDS, LIARS and have NO respect for Life, Rule of Law, etc. So Israel has openly admitted that they are killing indiscriminately, just targeting anything that moves and that includes the hostages. Sinwar was wanted by the ICC, why not arrest him, oh I know, that would mean arresting Netanyahu and the USA/EU/UK are just to Cowardly to do that. All they know is how to drop bombs on UNARMED Civilians.
Biden and Netanyahu should be at the top of the list. But the US demolished the credibility of the ICC and the UN.
The hegemon USA destroys international institutions unless they are in control. The USA is the most powerful rogue nation in modern history.
King of the Hill after WWII. Unscathed by war. Wealthy.
Then enunciation of an expanded Monroe Doctrine, which basically shouted to the world that the world was theirs. Other countries that wanted to assert their sovereignty were to be handled harshly. Their resources to become our "interests".
So it has been.
By the Zionist fixation on killing “leaders,” they demonstrate their amazing failure to learn from their own mistakes. They assume their adversaries’ count on hierarchical structures and presumed hierarchical leaders and that these are essential in today’s warfare.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/10/l-reichard-white/netanyahus-impossible-dream/
Most of all they deny and refuse to understand the roots of the slaughter. They think the military killing, the massacring of women and children, unarmed people is the solution. worst of it, the Zionists mentors in Washington is as crazy and evil as they are regardless of name or party.
The ignorance and stupidity and evil of the ruling elite is mindboggling.
Who cares what the demented baby killer Joe Biden has to say. He is the worst disgrace of the last five presidencies.
I wonder if a man born in Britain named Arthur Balfour (1848- 1930), who served as British Foreign Secretary during WWI, could ever have imagined how his colonial decision to sign the Balfour Declaration would so disastrously effect the lives of millions of Palestinians, including Yahya Sinwar, who was born on Oct. 29, 1962.
As Teddy Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and throw a stick."