Biden, Netanyahu Discuss Israeli Killing of Foreign Aid Workers

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1. You’re saying you have no investment in one analysis or another. I could be wrong, but when I was listening to you talk, and you discussed the horrors of October 7th, I sensed an emotion in your voice that I haven’t heard at any other time in this conversation. I don’t want to criticize that, but I do wonder if the people who make policy in America don’t have that same emotion when it comes to Palestinian lives. Do you think that’s fair?

   I think it’s fair to say, yes, that America and Americans have a pro-Israeli sensibility. I don’t think there’s any question about that. Clinton wrote in his memoir that he loved Yitzhak Rabin as he loved no man, rarely loved any other man, which is extraordinary. I watched Clinton grieve in the wake of Rabin’s murder. And when Biden gave the speech on October 10th, you watched the tears well up in his eyes. He talked about the black hole of loss. He’s conflated the tragedies in his own personal life with what Israelis felt on that day.

   Yes, that’s very moving, but there is another kind of loss going on now which he apparently can’t conflate with his own experience.

   Oh, if you’re asking me: Do I think that Joe Biden has the same depth of feeling and empathy for the Palestinians of Gaza as he does for the Israelis? No, he doesn’t, nor does he convey it. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.

   https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/bidens-increasingly-contradictory-israel-policy

   1. Since hostilities restarted on 2.October with the brutal assault on innocent worshippers at the Al-Aqsa holy site – Americans have learned a lot. .

      1. Hostilities happened many years before Oct 2.

      2. Yeah-brutal assault where no one was killed justifies killing 1200 people,raping and castrating,burning and kidnapping.

         1. 900. The IDF killed off 400 Israelis during the Hannibal Directive fire. Apache helicopters. Tanks firing shells into houses, killing the occupants, including the poster girl (the witness, Israeli woman named Porat, gave the details). Of course you already know that, don’t you Tim? Caused me to waste more keystrokes.

            1. Tim is a lying mthrfqer

         2. The nazis only went 10-1 when one of theirs was killed. Israel is setting a new record in the slaughter of innocents in revenge.

         3. In the ten years prior to 10-7 Israel killed over 4,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

            A Gazan child born in 2000 has already lived through at least six massacres (Operation Summer Rain [2006], Operation Hot Wind [2008], Operation Cast Lead [2008/09], Operation Returning Echo [2012], Operation Pillar of Defense [2012], and Operation Protective Edge [2014]), along with innumerable cross-border shootings, and the suppression of non-violent resistance like the Great March of Return.

            But go ahead and ignore facts and truth. It’s your MO after all.

            1. Israel cannot win a war of attrition,so they are sending a harsh message:kill our children and elders,rape our women and take them into captivity,castrate our men, kidnap,fire missiles at our villages, and there will be a severe price to be paid.

            2. There is no proof that even a single woman was raped.

               There is no proof that even a single man or boy was castrated. was raped.

               You support barbarism. You are a disgusting. Israel is disgusting and the world sees it clearly now.

               End US aid to Israel Now!

         4. And the response? Killing 32,000 people (known), over 70,000 injured, 2 million in danger of starvation, murdering aid workers, destroying Gaza’s healthcare system, raping and castrating, burning and kidnapping. By all means, let us compare.

            1. Always amazing how terrorists supporters like you, complain about their losses while bragging about how brave the terrorists are. Here is an idea, don’t start a war and then complain the price is too high. Those 32,000 deaths that you whine about would all be alive if Gaza did not chose to attack Israel. That is a fact Jack.

            2. They didn’t start a war, they wanted an end to the concentration camp-like conditions in Israel-controlled Gaza.

            3. And Hamas refused to negotiate anything face to face or thru intermediaries.

            4. I take being called a terrorist supporter as a compliment. It means you can’t refute what I say without going back to the hasbara playbook. The numbers prove me out. That barbarism can’t even be compared. Israel has made any previous terrorist group look amateurish in comparison. The killing of the aid workers put them in a category by themselves. Three fucking cars until they killed them all. And once more, my profile is open. Find me where I brag about how brave terrorists are or where I support terrorists. I know, shame on me for “complaining” about the loss of life. What am I thinking.

            5. Genocide is not self defense

            6. FUCK off pig!

               You are the terrorist supporter and apologist for genocide. You are a vile monster.

            7. Israel started the war in 1948 when it drove over 750,000 Palestinians from their land.

               Israel’s 17 year long blockade of Gaza was and is an act of war.

               In the 15 years prior to 10-7-23, Israel killed over 4,000 Palestinians in Gaza.

               A Gazan child born in 2000 has already lived through at least six massacres (Operation Summer Rain [2006], Operation Hot Wind [2008], Operation Cast Lead [2008/09], Operation Returning Echo [2012], Operation Pillar of Defense [2012], and Operation Protective Edge [2014]), along with innumerable cross-border shootings, and the suppression of non-violent resistance like the Great March of Return.

               Until the 1960s and the first wave of successful anti-colonial independence movements, Zionists were not ashamed to call their project colonialism. Established with the aim of creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine, their institutions from 1897 onward included the Jewish Colonization Association, the Society for the Colonization of the Land of Israel, the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association, and the Jewish Colonial Trust.

            8. Ralph Nader’s estimate is closer to 100,000 dead. I agree. The rubble is the graveyard of the dead.

            9. Reminder

               Israeli Lawmaker Says ‘Pogroms’ Against Palestinians Provoked Hamas Assault

               An Israeli lawmaker told Al Jazeera on Saturday that his party had been warning that Israeli policies toward Palestinians would “erupt” into the violence that Israel is experiencing in the wake of Hamas’ assault.
               The comments were made by Ofer Cassif, a member of the Knesset and the leftist Hadash party, which holds four seats in the 120-seat Knesset.
               “We condemn and oppose any assault on innocent civilians. But in contrast to the Israeli government that means that we oppose any assault on Palestinian civilians as well. We must analyze those terrible incidents [the attacks] in the right context – and that is the ongoing occupation,” said Cassif, who is Jewish.
               “We have been warning time and time again… everything is going to erupt and everybody is going to pay a price – mainly innocent civilians on both sides. And unfortunately, that is exactly what happened,” he added….
               The Israeli government, which is a fascist government, supports, encourages, and leads pogroms against the Palestinians. There is an ethnic cleansing going on. It was obvious the writing was on the wall, written in the blood of the Palestinians  – and unfortunately now Israelis as well,” Cassif said.
               Cassif also urged for de-escalation on X, writing that those calling for the destruction of Gaza “are only encouraging another bloodbath.” He also strongly denounced the Hamas assault, calling the actions “horrific crimes that the mind does not tolerate.”

         5. Your beef is with the IDF who massacred 400+ Israelis on the 7.Oct

            The IDF also killed some 70 of the POWs held in Gaza

            The IDF has also killed a couple of dozen IDF in friendly fire incidents since 2.Oct.

            It’s the IDF that’s killing Jews. Deal with it

            1. It is Hamas killing Jews,deal with it.

   2. Palestinians are facing a brutal climb to be recognized, their plight, history since Nakbha in 1948. Media is pulling out all of the stops. Any mention of Palestinians while in conversation with family members, elicits “terrorists” in response. They just blurt it out. Loudly. I was even thrown out of the house of one for answering a question from one; has Israel ever killed an American. I did not have the opportunity to tell the stories of U.S.S. Liberty, or Rachel Corrie. So it goes.

2. “According to the White House readout of the call, Biden took a harsher tone…”

   We’re believing a White House readout now? This is BS. Biden and Netanyahu are joined at the hip on Gaza and the upcoming wider war.

   The only complaint Biden might have is that Netanyahu had that chef humiliated by killing his people because that chef is directly connected to Biden and Blinken. And now the chef has stated clearly that his convoy was explicitly targeted and it was not a mistake. So it’s personally embarrassing to Biden and Blinken.

   “President Biden made clear that the United States strongly supports Israel in the face of those threats”

   That’s one place the readout is likely correct – Biden intends to fully support Israel in the coming war with Iran. This war is now almost inevitable.

   1. The very same day these deliberate murders were perpetrated by Israel, Biden shipped out more arms.

      He does not care one iota about Palestinians or anyone else who gets in the way of this genocide.

      1. Even citizens of other countries. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/04/israeli-military-likely-knew-identities-of-aid-workers-killed-in-charity-convoy-humanitarian-groups-say

3. Doctor at Israeli Field Hospital for Detained Gazans: ‘We Are All Complicit in Breaking Law’
   “This makes all of us – the medical teams and you, those in charge of us in the health and defense ministries, complicit in the violation of Israeli law, and perhaps worse for me as a doctor, in the violation of my basic commitment to patients, wherever they are, as I swore when I graduated 20 years ago,” he wrote.

   “From the first days of the medical facility’s operation until today, I have faced serious ethical dilemmas. More than that, I am writing [this letter] to warn you that the facilities’ operations do not comply with a single section among those dealing with health in the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law,” the doctor writes.
   He stressed that all the patients at the hospital set up at Sde Teiman are handcuffed by all four limbs, regardless of how dangerous they are deemed. They are blindfolded and fed through a straw. “Under these conditions, in practice, even young and healthy patients lose weight after a week or two of hospitalization,” the physician said. He added that the hospital doesn’t receive regular supplies of medical equipment or medicine….According to the physician, after surgery patients are quickly returned to a facility which has only one doctor and staff who are not sufficiently trained… the doctor asserted that detainees don’t receive appropriate care, even when they are moved to a hospital: “No patient who was referred to a hospital has remained there for more than a few hours. It happens that patients after major operations, such as abdominal surgeries for intestinal resections, are brought back after about an hour of post-op observation during recovery to the Sde Teiman medical facility, which is staffed most of the day by a single doctor, accompanied by a nursing team, some with no more than medic training.”
   He said that in some cases that single doctor is an orthopedist or gynecologist. “This ends in complications and sometimes even in the patient’s death,” the doctor wrote.

   https://aurdip.org/en/doctor-at-israeli-field-hospital-for-detained-gazans-we-are-all-complicit-in-breaking-law/

   1. There is an article from Haaretz here today that covers that story. At least Israel has a better press than us.

      https://archive.is/Mbdvc

      1. It was the same without a paywall.

      2. I forgot to add in where people had to have amputations due to injuries from the cuffs and infections thereof.

         1. They are blindfolded and fed through a straw. “Under these conditions, in practice, even young and healthy patients lose weight after a week or two of hospitalization”.

            They are fucking monsters.

            1. !!!

            2. I’m sure you’re talking about the Palestinians–right?

            3. no, he was referring to the terrorists

            4. If it can be found and seen, the video by Lowkey, “Terrorist”? speaks to the truth. I believe it was introduced in 2016. Eight years ago. I felt great emotions; shock, sadness, rage, compassion. It is difficult to find. For a reason.

4. According to the White House readout of the call, Biden took a harsher tone with Netanyahu than before, but it’s unclear if the rhetoric will amount to a change of the policy of unconditional military support for the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza.

   It’s all for the show…!

   1. You bet its for show! Biden wags his finger (a little), while he asks Bibi what his order is for the weapons for the next week.

5. Biden also expressed US support for Israel as it is preparing for potential Iranian retaliation over the Israeli bombing of Iran’s consulate in Syria. “The two leaders also discussed public Iranian threats against Israel and the Israeli people. President Biden made clear that the United States strongly supports Israel in the face of those threats,” the readout said.

   Israel bombs an Iranian consulate in Syria and Biden promises support for Israel in regard to the possible retaliation by Iran. And he wasn’t done. He then discussed public threats from Iran and said he supported Israel in regard to those threats. Boy, with a tongue lashing like that Israel must be really concerned about future US support (/s).

   1. Biden snd his administration are the very worst in my lifetime and that includes Trump and Cheney.

      1. Same. I used to think it was a dead heat separated only by trivial matters. Now, Biden is hands down the most despicable. Not that others wouldn’t have done the same. Cheney pops into my mind immediately.

         1. I don’t want to cut Biden any slack here, but he’s really kind of in a tough spot. How much can he turn away from the Israelis without being lambasted by the Republicans?

            1. Which makes him even more despicable.

            2. Biden is a neocon Republican.

               And he is worse. Bush Sr tried to place conditions on aid to Israel and Biden forcibly stopped it in the 90s. It was also Biden’s idea to move the US embassy to Jerusalem at that same time, long before Trump.

            3. it is a very fine line that he is tight-roping on.
               i think that no other uncle sam has the extensive collection of ballet slippers that he has.

            4. When he can put them on the correct foot.

            5. It isn’t the Israelis he needs to turn away from, it is the GD cult known as Zionists. Zionists have poisoned a good proportion of Israeli citizens (68% are all in on the genocide).

            6. It’s only a tough spot if you’re a coward and moral degenerate.

            7. He checks all those boxes.

         2. The really sick thing is that now MSDNC is having people like Karl Rove or Bolton on as respectable punditry. That is how far right neocon the Democrats have shifted.

            How long until Cheney is rehabilitated?

            1. You didn’t see the interview? Rove absolutely excoriated Trump and the MAGA “thugs”.

            2. And that makes him respectable? Jfc

               Karl Rove: The Machiavelli Who Failed
               Rove was intimately involved in the campaign to discredit former Ambassador Joe Wilson for revealing that the administration had manipulated and misused intelligence in order to make a case for attacking Iraq in 2003. Rove’s old leak partner, Novak, confirmed that the Bush aide had discussed with him the fact that Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame, was a Central Intelligence Agency employee. The outing of Plame as a covert operative, as part of an administration scheme to undermine Wilson’s credibility, became the subject of an extended federal inquiry that would eventually lead to the conviction of Rove’s crony, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, for perjury and obstruction of justice. Echoing what has become accepted wisdom in official Washington, one of the jurors who convicted Libby expressed her sense that the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney had been used as a scapegoat in an elaborate scheme to prevent the leak-prone Rove from finally being brought to justice….
               As Senate Judiciary Committee chair Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, says, “Earlier this month, Karl Rove failed to comply with the Judiciary Committee’s subpoena to testify about the mass firings of United States Attorneys. Despite evidence that he played a central role in these firings, just as he did in the Libby case involving the outing of an undercover CIA agent and improper political briefings at over 20 government agencies, Mr. Rove acted as if he was above the law. That is wrong. Now that he is leaving the White House while under subpoena, I continue to ask what Mr. Rove and others at the White House are so desperate to hide. Mr. Rove’s apparent attempts to manipulate elections and push out prosecutors citing bogus claims of voter fraud shows corruption of federal law enforcement for partisan political purposes, and the Senate Judiciary Committee will continue its investigation into this serious issue.”

               https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/karl-rove-machiavelli-who-failed/

            3. MAGA folks are expressing their opinions-that’s the American way. Or would you prefer ANTIFA.

            4. I just noticed MSDNC. Good one.

            5. right? it will be hilarious when Cheney sticks his head back up and declares something or other about something or other.
               hey maybe he will shoot another one of his friends in the face.

            6. Well they love his torture endorsing daughter now. It’s only a matter of time.

            7. With his beer hat on.

            8. “How long until Cheney is rehabilitated?”

               The storm approaches, Igor! Soon I shall possess the power to return my creation to life!

            9. Lol

         3. What a waste of a good heart.

            1. Paid for by taxpayers.

   2. I can hear the laugh track………

   3. In other news, Fetterman is not backing off his support for the genocide by Israel. He said he was a staunch supporter and puts “no condition” on what they do. So, I say f*ck Fetterman. He is an intelligent man. He knows that history did not start on 7Oct.

   4. Biden is an asshole.

6. Biden, Netanyahu Discuss Israeli Killing of Foreign Aid Workers

   Now, think what that headline would have said if Iran had murdered those aid workers under similar circumstances? Do you think Biden would have been discussing that with the leader of Iran? Or would he had been talking to our lackey’s leaders about getting a coalition together to punish Iran? Of course, that’s a fairy tale because under similar circumstances the US would have already got the coalition together if Iran was conducting an ongoing genocide.

   1. That’s exactly why we’re sanctioning Iran for “Israeli Killing of Foreign Aid Workers.” And if that’s not enough, we’ll go to war against them.

   2. A third carrier group would have shown up. The round the clock bombardment of Iran would have begun. With three, the sortes can be launched around the clock, as in the great “shock and awe” on Iraq in 2003. I believe two are still idling around. From their position, I am sure they can see the Israeli jets attacking Syrian positions.

7. Biden took a harsher tone

   Just before he approved another shipment of bombs. Seriously dude, who the frack do you think you’re fooling?

   1. A “harsher tone” while trying to keep from laughing.

      1. As I read in another site, “I’m so angry that I can barely sign off on this shipment of 2,000 pound bombs!”

8. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d2d31dff5db2a1db60a0970c7859220ccd4fbfecd43e92da4c30f83da73e61e.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d07b65de5a109900e503db28a318b67b5804442e453127b74572bde850ac194e.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1be1e5504a9837801fe7136f9f757f8eea92497f3cd87bcc65c9afb5c0f91779.jpg

9. Biden, Blinken, and Kirby are the poster children of what Arendt meant by “banality of evil” … they are normalizing and enabling war crimes and ethnic cleansing on an industrial scale. As just one example from the article:

   US officials also didn’t spell out what other steps they wanted Israel to take and didn’t say what the consequences would be if Israel didn’t do enough.

   “I’m not going to preview any potential policy decisions coming forward,” White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters.

   In other words, Israel could continue to commit war crimes like the killing of the aid workers and Kirby would continue to happily chirp about the “love” Biden has for the theocratic, apartheid, ethnostate.

   1. “Banality” is not the right word.

      1. Sub ordinary people doing horrific things. Eichmann was a failure at everything before his appointment to the Reich. Total failure.

         1. He didn’t have much time to be a failure, but then everyone in his age group in Germany during the post WWI and depression were failures.

   2. I finished reading her book, “Eichmann in Jerusalem: The Banality of Evil, several weeks ago. Revealing. I could see why is set off such a firestorm.

      1. This is the key element: all these average people carrying out the evil work of empire.

         The Germans were not particularly evil, no more than the Israelis are now. We all have it in us. The key is resisting the siren songs of othering and ethnonationalism, which very few can manage.

10. Ah ! Biden and Netanyahu discussed Israeli killings of 7 foreign aid workers, including one American citizen and one Canadian citizen. Biden ‘emphasized’ that the killings on humanitarian workers and the overall humanitarian situation are ‘unacceptable’.
    However, Biden also expressed US support for Israel and will be sending new shipments of 1,000 MK82 500-pound bombs, more than 1,000 small-diameter bombs, and fuses for MK80 bombs, besides readying the shipments of 50 F-15 fighter jets.
    How about talking from both sides of the mouth!

    1. Hypocrisy is Biden’s specialty.

    2. American politics 101:
       “Don’t listen to what we say, watch what we do.”
       John Mitchell

11. “killing of aid workers”

    wow. what a bunch of cool guys.
    the Israelis would like us to believe that they are a whole bunch of Fonzies.
    sorry Israelis, Fonzie actually was a cool guy.
    yall’s ? not so much.

    1. “Most Moral Army in the World”. Gotta love it.

12. The USA ought not support any belligerent if it knows what’s good for itself. but, hey…

    1. It is easy to feel that way,but isolationism did not work out very well before WWII. PearlHarbor.

13. Would Biden support a renegade regime if one of our Consulates was leveled?

    1. Should be the most asked question. And not limited to this particular situation.

    2. Oh,like Iran did to Israel in Argentina?

14. Biden is a homicidal creep.

15. right then. an entire article devoted to Biden & Netanyahu having a discussion.

    “hey asshole, what have you done?”
    “oh shut up dick-head, you made me do it!”
    “no asshole, i might have given you everything you need but it is on you!”
    “no dick-head, you made me do it, and don’t make me prove it!”
    “hey asshole, it doesn’t matter if you prove it because all my peoples have your back anyways”.

    1. Too bad the discussion was over the phone.
       https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-kneels-before-rivlin-aide-after-learning-she-has-12-kids/

16. “‘Biden…made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement…steps to address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and the safety of aid workers.”

    Breaking News: Biden ‘positively demands’ that Israel starts engaging in the political theater where the US ‘sternly’ declares unconditional weapons are to be used ‘responsibly,’ and Israel puts on a ‘serious’ face and nods ‘earnestly.’

    1. US: we demand an investigation!
       Israel: we deemed ourselves innocent
       US: great, here’s more money and bombs! Carry on.

    2. Abramawicz, you made a couple of typos. I’m too busy to correct you all the time. “Biden…made clear the need for Israel to announce and implement…steps to address (inflicting more) civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and (killing more) the safety of aid workers.” …Just kidding. Love you, man!

17. I can’t find it now and disqus is useless for searches, but I had posted at one time where the Biden administration added language to agreements with Israel whereby since they were a democracy and had a legit legal system, that they were responsible for carrying out investigations of their own crimes and determining guilt or innocence and any consequences.

    This was several months ago. Does anyone have it and know what I am talking about?

    This came out before the genocide and it may have been as far back as the intentional murder of American Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh.

    1. Did Biden add that? I don’t recall an independent investigation into anything Israel has ever done.

       1. Yes, I’m pretty sure they did.

          1. I’m really not doubting that they did. I just can’t see the reason. Like I said, I don’t recall any independent investigations into any of Israel’s nefarious acts in the past. It’s always been them investigating themselves.

             1. I see the reason. “It is our formal agreement to have Israel investigate, I wash my hands of it, while they find themselves innocent, always”.

             2. Good point. Especially when there are soooo many things to investigate with the genocide and all.

    2. “I don’t mean, Why should they be cautious? I mean, Why does a democratic country and ally need to be urged to be cautious? Why aren’t they being cautious naturally?

       Well, that’s a sort of judgment that we’re not making of them. We’re not making a judgment about each and every operation that they conduct. That’s a question that the Israelis have gotten and should continue to get, in terms of how they’re conducting their operations. Let me try it this way: any modern military, certainly a military of a democracy that is fighting a war like this, should be expected to uphold the law of armed conflict, and should be expected to conduct their operations with as little impact on innocent civilians as possible.

       Is that happening?

       We have seen indications . . . First of all, they have been receptive to that message.

       O.K.”

       https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-the-biden-administration-defends-its-israel-policy

       1. Thanks, but what I am referencing was a formal agreement. I actually had the text of the document at some point. Whoever reported on it at the time made note that no other country given US military aid enjoyed that level of autonomy to determine their own crimes.

    3. I know what you’re talking about but I probably flushed that language down my toilet several times because it was too slimy and nasty.

       1. I know that the Biden administration added it.

18. it is pereplxing to see Israel committing national suicide. In six months it has become a world pariah awash in genocide and forever war. It is unfortunate for rational Israeli’s who just want to live in peace and without the monster government who threatens their existence.

19. Release the entire transcript so the voters in our sacred democracy can see how tough he got with the war criminal.

20. Biden basically said, We will give you whatever you want but know we are upset at you.

21. Israel’s message: ‘Don’t feed the Palestinians’

    To understand why seven aid workers were killed by Israel earlier this week in Gaza only requires a short-term memory.

    Their deaths were not a “tragic event … that happens in war”, as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed in a statement meant to blunt the “outrage” over the killings.

    “ No, the seven souls, employed by World Central Kitchen (WCK) travelling in a convoy in Deir el-Balah after unloading 100 tonnes of food aid at its central Gaza warehouse, were casualties of a directive issued by Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant on October 9.

    Gallant’s remarks were televised to convey to the world Israel’s uncompromising resolve and intent.

    “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly,” Gallant said.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/4/7/dont-feed-the-palestinians

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