Israeli officials on Thursday scoffed at a long-term peace plan the US is reportedly working on that includes a path toward a Palestinian state.
According to The Washington Post, the US and several Arab nations are rushing to complete the proposal, which includes a “firm timeline” for the establishment of a Palestinian state. But Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not been shy about his opposition to a Palestinian state at any time in the future, and Israeli officials immediately rejected the reported plan.
The potential plan includes conditions Netanyahu will refuse, such as the withdrawal of many Israeli settlers from the occupied West Bank. When the current Israeli government was formed at the end of 2022, it released a statement vowing to expand settlements with the ultimate goal of annexing the West Bank.
In response to the report, a spokesman for Netanyahu said now was not the time to talk about the “day after.”
“Here in Israel, we are still in the aftermath of the October 7 massacre,” said spokesman Avi Hyman, according to The Times of Israel. “Now is not the time to be speaking about gifts to the Palestinian people.”
Israeli Minister of National Security Itamar Ben Gvir, who recently called for Israeli forces to shoot Palestinian women and children, also rejected the potential US plan as “delusional.”
“After October 7 it is clearer than ever that it is forbidden to give them a state. While we are in the government, no Palestinian state will be established,” Ben Gvir said.
According to the Post report, the US is looking to release the outline for the peace plan during a pause in Israel’s slaughter in Gaza that could happen as part of a new hostage deal. But Israel has rejected Hamas’s latest proposal for a deal, and Netanyahu vetoed holding any further negotiations.
It’s Bloodbath Kabuki™ — PR theater for an ignorant audience.
The US knows that the very idea of sharing “Eretz Israel” with a Palestinian state has been anathema to the Zionists almost from the beginning of the movement. Israel has been busy creating facts on the ground designed to make such a state impossible since 1967 and the current bunch of madmen running the show are the least likely ever to move away from that policy.
There will be no sovereign Palestinian state unless Israel is forced to accept one, and it would take serious force.
There can be a sovereign Palestinian’s state but it must be based on realistic conditions.
So, you disagree with the most basic position of the Zionists you spend so much energy defending.
Yes, I believe it is possible for the Palestinians to have a nation.
Only so long as it is not a real state, only a Vichy or Quisling or Manchukuo state that serves Israel, entirely at its mercy.
A Palestinian state that loves its own people,and realizes that thinsg can be improved through peace,not absurd fantasies about going back to 1902,or driving Jews into the Sea.VERY SIMPLE.
Explain the settlers. How do they fit into realism
There are 400,000 settlers living on land that Israel got in the Six day war from Jordan. Jordan does not seem to want it back. Like it or not they are not leaving. That is reality.
So, in other words, anything the Palestinians might want to make them a viable state is considered to be outside the definition of “reasonable conditions”. Got it.
You are correct. Certain Palestinians demands are off the table from day 1. They have a choice, take what they can get or wait for some fantasy fed by the UN to come true.
ALL Palestinian demands are off the table. You aren’t listening to their wretched government officials.
Realistic conditions like those in Gaza: Israel controls the port, no airport allowed, Israel blockades food, medicine at will…
It would be interesting if Turkey would enter into a security pact with the state of Palestine. Mainly, that its navy would secure that state’s coastline and deal with Israeli piracy threats.
Houthis are the real pirates. Turkey is a huge country,that persecutes its Kurdish minority and has never come to terms with its Armenian genocide. How many millions killed? If its fleet shows up where it does not belong,it may take a severe beating. Or get a good nuking from Pluto boy.The tough little guy beats up the big bully. While I dont like the idea of blockades,Gaza is being blockaded to reduce weapons imports,and rightly so.
1. Palestinian right of return honored.
2. Like S. Africa, one integral state of pre-Zionist indigenes.
3. Provide a Nurnberg type justice for all Israeli race criminals.
4. Secure reparations from supporters/benefactors of Zionazis and
collaboraters abroad.
Which part of realism did you not get? After 75 years your number 1 is never going to happen. Number 2 is not going to happen. Why would the nation of Israel just soddenly decided to just melt away? Your number 3 is one sided, there are 1000s of criminal Palestinians terrorists that are race criminals. Number 4, reparations for what? Israel did not start the 1948 war or the 1967 war.
UNR 194 plus UNSC 2334 cover reparations rather clearly .
So what? Do you want a Palestinian state or not. Forget about all those UN resolutions which have failed to solve the problem Instead come with a realistic plan that both sides can agree to. Israel is not going to pay reparations, it simply not going to happen.
Take the stupid stuff off the table and find a way to make it happen.
There’s already a Palestinian state. That’s just the reality of it.
Whether that Palestinian state can get its sh*t together to either work out a peace with, or militarily defeat, Israel is a different question.
Is a state with no land really a state?
That’s an interesting question. Was France really a state when it was occupied? How about Japan?
$200 billion Israeli central bank assets are a start on complying with Internstional Law.
Tim – the constellation of forces has changed. The best peace the Likud is going to get is those 1967 lines – if the Likud rejects the ‘67 lines at best it’s going to be the 1947 UNR 181 lines.
That is not going to happen. Who is going to force Israel back to 1947 lines? I can give you a 150 reasons for why that not going to happen with yield ranging from 20 kilotons to 1 megaton.
You think the Likud would commit mass suicide with Nukes ?
Let all those who support illegal immigration and providing those illegals with a cradle to grave welfare state, have their assets conficsated. Have their own families subjected to all the crime that they have created.
Might want to watch this BBC program with Edward Said on the topic of ethnic cleaning and atrocities
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ghfqZgugpdo&pp=ygUPZWR3YXJkIHNhaWQgYmJj
US liberals should who have brought the US into a state of anarchy should have their property seized and marched to Mt Mckinley.
So let the Arab world pay reparations for the 750,000 Jews they evicted.
Jake,
Those Arab Jews were attacked by Zionists with thousands of Arab-Jewish children kidnapped. ( as you well know) . Plenty of documentation on this topic.
Therefore, it’s the Likud that owes them compensation. Maybe that’s why the Likud has never filed a lawsuit on the subject. Hmmm
Try again
You just summarized a half dozen UN resolutions plus a couple of ICJ opinions.- with exception of the one state; 181 remains internationally recognized borders of the 2 states.
He did. The problem is that those are not going to happen.
UN 181 was a suggestion-it is dead. Babies grow up,and their parents no longer inspect their stools when they are adults.
1.Notice how you refuse to bring Hamas murderers and rapists to trial.
2.your line number 2 implies deporting virtually every Jewish person from Israel.
3.How about reparations for the 750,000 Jews evicted from their homes in the Arab world.
Can the Jews whose ancestors were driven out of their home in the Islamic world get reparations? When you say “pre Zionist indigenes”, you imply that some whose granddparents came to Israel in 1948 should be evicted. Let us seize the assets of ever US so called progressive to pay for the cost of US crime and riots.
Israel is in the process of self-destructing. Their economy is in a shambles since 10/7, they’ve lost whatever good will the world has ever accorded them, they’re finding out that their only military option at this point is the Samson Option.
Well, Israel isn’t facing the existential military threat to which the Samson Option is intended as a deterrent/threat/response, but it certainly is doomed to fail in its military misadventure in Gaza, while securing its status as Premiere Planetary Pariah. And likely trashing its economy in the process.
Of course, some of those bloodthirsty lunatics might be crazy enough . . .
Premiere Planetary Pariah? I prefer the world’s junkyard dog. If they’re looking for love, they’re looking in all the wrong places.
I am not a fan of Netanyahu. But in this case he is right. It is too soon to talk about a two state solution after 10/7. People in Israel are not in the mood to comprise with the Palestinians right now.
I think there should be a three state solution. State 1 Israel of course with secure borders. 2. Gaza should be its own nation with free access to the sea and land access with Egypt. 3. A part of the West Bank, maybe a third of it, connected to Jordan, and no access to Israel proper for a Palestinian state on the West Bank.
“People in Israel are not in the mood to comprise with the Palestinians right now.”
Fuck their mood. People in Israel should be forced to accept a Palestinian state, right-fucking-now.
And people like you, people who serve as cheerleaders for settler colonialism, ethnic cleansing and genocide, should be studiously ignored when opining about solutions for Palestine.
Feel free to ignore my opinions at anytime. That is what the ignore button is for.
Question, why does a terrorists supporter like you feel the need to use the the “f” word? Using that word shows a lack of education.
In any case, who exactly is going to force Israel to accept a Palestinian state? And where would such a state exists? As I said, a Palestinians state is possible if it based on a realistic road map. Your idea of forcing a nuclear armed state to do something by force is unrealistic. Rather than solve the problem, people like you just want to call Israel names and cheer on terrorists every time they attack Israel.
Question, why does a terrorists supporter like you feel the need to use
the the “f” word?”
I have no “need” to use that word. I use it deliberately (perhaps with malice aforethought 😈) when I want to demonstrate special emphasis or, sometimes, unbridled disgust or contempt.
“Using that word shows a lack of education.”
That accusation demonstrates boring conventionality.
“That accusation demonstrates boring conventionality.” It may be boring but it is true.
You are correct about US/Israeli semi-human warmongers as slithering, traitorous and vile but it is counter productive to use a slang word for making love to bring children into the world as a curse.
You’re welcome to your opinion.
The fuck it is.
So, saying fuck means one is uneducated? Even if you use it correctly in a fucking sentence? Like, are you fucking serious? Or what the fuck is your problem? Or go fuck yourself you genocide apologist? Please, I have to fucking know.
Both uneducated and ignorant. And in your case acting like a ninth grader at best.
Now I’m really fucking hurt.
Were they in the mood before Oct 7?
No. They have never been in the mood.
The settler numbers have been increasing monotonically
Did Hamas sit down at the table-no they opposed Oslo and every other attempt at peace. They were firing rockets way before Oct 7-now they are reaping the world wind.
It’s whirlwind not world wind. So you are obviously not American as you can’t use basic idioms correctly. So you are an Israeli?
This isn’t about Hamas as much as you keep trying to make it about them. We are horrified about what is happening to all the innocent civilians currently being targeted by Israel’s ethnic cleansing and genocide. Specifically the civilians who have nothing to do with Hamas.
People make typos or use grammar incorrectly all the time. You can not assume that they are not America because of their grammar. I grew up in Pittsburgh which is American as can be, trust me, the grammar there is not so great. For example: Yunz should go dahntahn to the Bugh and tell the yingers that ain’t no Americans.
I see. So you are just poorly educated. Makes sense.
In other words,since you have no logical response,engage in insults.
Logical response? You’re a funny guy. I followed his line of thinking. Timmy boy conflated idiom use with grammar. Not the same thing. Either way, he implied that you misused world wind for whirlwind because you might be from a lower income area. Following that line of thought (logically) I assumed that it also implied a low level of educational attainment.
Wow, you really are reaching with your logic. The simple fact, which you don’t understand, is that one can not tell if a person is from America or not simply by how they type something in a comment. The whole idea is nuts. You blunder with that stupid statement and know you are trying to dance around it.
Whatever. Either they know basic American English idioms or they don’t. The fact that they flubbed “reap the whirlwind” is a pretty typical mistake in that non native speakers of English typically have a hard time using idioms correctly. It’s a data point that’s all. Maybe they are from the USA; I don’t know.
Most likely, as I initially avered, they are just a poorly educated dullard.
As he boasted to a group of Israeli settlers in a candid moment caught on video in 2001 following his first term as prime minister (1996-1999): “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”
Netty is a bad leader who should have kept his mouth shut-but half a million Israelis turned out in the streets for peaceful protest against him. Both sides have turned to extremism. Biden created the Ukraine war-are those who voted against him responsible?
Yes.
What the fuck does Biden created the Ukraine war-are those who voted against him responsible? have to do with Netanyahu bragging about him putting an end to Oslo? NOTHING.
What happened to oosllooo !!
It was flushed into the public loo by Shamir ,Sharon,Netanyhau and also by Barak. You can google search .
Shamir built the loo .Other flushed it .
Arafat whipped it out-the right of return at the last minute.
Netanyahu: “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”
After Oslo was dead for twenty years.
He said that in 2001. After his first term from 1996-99. Try again.
Another lie peddled by Israel and American negotiator known as “Israeli lawyer”.
Netanyahu: “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”
These fascist types think that if they follow Goebbels advice and keep telling the lie over and over it will become true. Goebbels was wrong and so are they. Keep reminding them of the truth.
You might be right, but 10/7 just made it worse.
So it was “too soon” to talk about a two state solution before 10/7, and “too soon” after. It seems that the criminal Israeli regime just doesn’t want there to be a Palestinian State under any circumstances. Hopefully some day soon there will be a U.N. occupying force in Israel to compel the creation of a functioning Palestinian state and to remove the settlers from their stolen lands in the West Bank.
Your last sentence is a complete fantasy. Who would contribute forces to the UN to attack Israel?
Everyone but the USA probably. I agree it’s pretty unlikely which is why I said hopefully. You can read, can’t you? The reason it’s non likely is because the maniacs in Israel would rather launch nuclear weapons and destroy the world than let the Palestinians have a state of their own. The Israeli fascists prefer ethnic cleansing and genocide.
I’m not big on UN “peacekeeping” forces myself, but if one was put together I’d hope that it didn’t attack Israel, just secure the international city of Jerusalem and the territory of the state of Palestine, while honoring the Israeli border as set in UNR 181.
Jerusalem was never “international”-show me where and when.When Jordan ruled,no Jews were allowed. Speaking of UNR 181-useless.
Under UNR 181 — which delineates Israel’s borders — Jerusalem is to be an international city. It is not and never has been part of the post-1948 state of Israel. Nor is it part of the state of Palestine. That’s just how it is.
Will Israel likely continue to occupy Jerusalem and other territory outside its borders until it’s forced out? Yes. But Israel’s borders haven’t changed since 1948 and Jerusalem is outside them.
Go take a walk and check out these borders yourself,check out the people living there, and the flags flying. Jordan ruled Jerusalem for a time, not Palestine.
Irrelevant.
Israel agreed to the borders set in UNR-181 as a condition of its existence and its UN membership. No UNR-181, no Israel. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Hopefully,the Vatican will sell off its treasures to buy poor farmers homes and land.
I am not a fan of Netanyahu. But in this case he is right. It is too soon to talk about a two state solution after 10/7. People in Israel are not in the mood to comprise with the Palestinians right now.
Did you print that on October 8th and forget that 4+ months of killing Palestinians have passed? Like I’ve asked you before, is there a number?
Number for what? War is war. Get your terrorist buddies to release the kidnapped victims and lay down there weapons and the war ends. If the terrorists won’t do that, at least get the kids out of the combat zones.
Number of dead/starving/displaced. War? Please stop. A genocidal slaughter against largely civilians who can’t defend themselves or flee to safety can hardly be described as “war”. And I don’t have any terrorist buddies, that would be you. I back neither side. But the terrorists that killed less than 1200 people pale in comparison to the terrorists that have killed 10 times as many children alone. Not to mention the 400,000 in famine and damn near the entire population being driven from their homes.
I am a fan of Netanyahu. As an American, I dont have choices . .
It is anti -semtism also in France Germany and UK not to be a fan.
“I am not a fan of Netanyahu. But in this case he is right. It is too
soon to talk about a two state solution after 10/7. People in Israel
are not in the mood to comprise with the Palestinians right now” And what was the excuse for the last 70 years? Don’t you get it? 10/7 is a direct result of Zionist policy. A direct of result of coalition-Likud policy in particular, more recently, that a state is never, ever, goinng to be on the table. It is the defintion of apartheid: controlling land without enfranchisement: a self-entitled and smug minority controlling the majority with no accountability and nothing but murderous contempt for their subjugated vassals. Something you refuse to acknowledge. “The terrorists”. State terrorism is a thing and it’s far, far worse than anything Hamas could have ever imagined. Moreover all the evidence shows Hamas did not target civilians for death, only kidnapping. It was the IDF who burned up vehicles and houses full of civilians. This has been known for months in Israeli media. I have 3 master’s degrees in English language and literature and an honours BA in French, English and German, and all the coursework for an education degree. Just so you know that I am more educated than you are, when I say FUCK. YOU. You are a morally and ethically underdeveloped excuse for a human being. A shit stain on the underwear of your parents.
He is definitely a poor specimen of humanity. He’s of the worst genera imaginable: the fascist neocon.
“And what was the excuse for the last 70 years” I will answer your question and than you can toss more insults. From 1950 to 1967 the West Bank was part of Jordan. So you can reduce your number of years.
As for your education in language arts, great. Too bad you still can not write without using the F word.
Question? How would you know what degrees I have? Let me give you a hint, by degrees end in the letters BS, MS and PhD. And there not in some useless literature courses. I bet you did not have 13 job officers coming out of school like I did.
Well, it’s sure nice to have a partner we can rely on, right? All those billions of $ and endless diplomatic support really paid off, didn’t they?
But,but,but we dont have a partner peace ,so said again American master from Herzyla.
Netanyahu is correct. There can never be any peace with the state he has created. It is in a permanent state of war with the displaced and all neighbors, and like Sparta or Apartheid South Africa or Rhodesia, it is incapable of peace because it exists by and for its war “security” at the expense of all others (that it constantly abuses, creating its own insecurity).
The only solution is the end of Israel as Netanyahu has formed it. That does not mean the death of its people, but the end of the state he has organized. Of course, many will leave, as whites left South Africa and Rhodesia after their fall from power.
You are very liberal with the fate of others-Let us deport all so called “progressives”-those who think criminals are victims,and victims are oppressors. Those who support reverse discrimination,while they quietly pay bribes to secure what their own children want. Those who want to “open borders” so that the North American Union can be created on the backs of the working and middle classes.
Who’s this “us” you speak of? You’re probably going to stay too busy whining via keyboard to deport anyone from anywhere.
Oh, yes UNR 181 again.
Now you’re talking!
What? Netanyahu did not form Israel. He is just the current PM. He will be gone and Israel will still exists. And Israel will remain a Jewish first nation. Your solution is just not going to happen.