Netanyahu Rejects Hamas Counter Offer for Hostage Deal, Insists on ‘Total Victory’

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1. We all know what “Total Victory” means to Netanyahu, that NOT one live Palestinian will be left in Gaza. Netanyahu is a MASS Murderer, he does not care about the hostages, nothing will STOP him from finishing his Genocide and sadly, the Israeli people are on his side. They are blocking food from going into Gaza, working with their Savages, the Military, the ILLEGAL Settlers and Blinken, he just blinks and looks the other way. This will end one way or the other and I don’t think we have MEN in any Nation with military power, who will STOP Netanyahu. The World Leaders who can STOP the Genocidal Monster, are COWARDS!

   1. They aren’t cowards, they are coconspirators. They made up bullshit in order to stop aid to starving people.

   2. World leaders cowards? No. They simply don’t care.

2. That counter offer was ridiculous.

   1. Do tell, Tim. What about it do you think was ridiculous?

      1. Well, first off they wanted the IDF to stop killing children for 135 days, and Netanyahoo couldn’t imagine being deprived that long of the sight of innocent blood being shed.

         1. Well give me something for nothing give me time to rearm,and then maybe I will give you something. Its not a good situation for anyone.

            1. Be wise enough to understand everything didn’t start on Oct 7. Those who are totally unwilling to talk constructively demonstrate they can only be dealt with using force. Who then is more terrorist and less diplomat, Hamas or Bibi?

            2. Yes,Hamas was very constructive when it opposed Oslo,or any further sort of negotiations. Hamas was very constructive when it teaches hatred.

            3. Netanyahu: “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”

            4. Oslo negotiations went on way before Netanyahu was in office. If Hamas had participated,we might have a different Israeli leader.

            5. Irrelevant what MIGHT have happened. We know what DID happen.

               Netanyahu: “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”

            6. Previous events does not justify what Hamas did on Oct 7. So why did Hamas not talk constructively before Oct 7? Because Hamas wanted this war and Hamas does not care how many civilians get killed.

            7. Previous events does not justify what Hamas did on Oct 7.

               But a previous event that killed less than 1,200 people justify 27,000 (11,500 children) deaths, 66,000 wounded and 400,000 in famine with 90% of the population displaced?

            8. If you want to see this as just a PR problem we can approach it from there. Maybe Hamas, Bibi and much of Israels population wanted this and do not care how many civilians get killed. On that, so much agreement. Terrorist states indifferent to the PR problem of their mass killing will not stay a US ally for long.

         2. Either don’t put your forts where there are children or get children out of the combat area. That is responsibility of Hamas. Stop using them as shields than make a big PR deal about them getting killed. The IDF fired the bombs, but Hamas is accountable for their deaths.

            1. The IDF is shelling and bombing refugee camps full of tents where they admit that there are no Hamas personnel. They’ve killed scores of UN personnel, and set demolition charges in deposits of food to be distributed. They’ve been restricting food shipments for so long that children are literally dying of starvation.

            2. What about the people at the music festival? Were they “human shields” left out there by the IDF who failed to give the festival’s organizers a heads up? And if bombing every square inch of Gaza is permissible because Hamas is everywhere, the same can be said about Israel. Between the active IDF, the reservists, Mossad and all other government employees and/or officials, I’d say they are damn near anywhere. So, anyone killed in Israel by any errant, or aimed, Hamas rockets should be considered collateral damage and labeled as victims of being used as human shields by their own government.

      2. It’s ridiculous that it is called a war to begin with. The slaughter of 30k unarmed people including children and infants is not a war.

      3. 1. It rewards kidnapping by exchanging kidnap victims for convicted prisoners and known terrorists.
         2. Step 2 is fussy. “release an unspecified number of Palestinian prisoners” How many?
         3. Timing is way too long.

         1. 1. It rewards kidnapping by exchanging kidnap victims for convicted prisoners and known terrorists.

            Hook, line and sinker.

3. Netanyahoo is hanging on , just barely

4. What is there to say? Israel has a higher standard of living with universal healthcare, yet the US is charging the national credit card putting it further in debt, while people in the US go without. And yet they’ll keep sending US taxes to fortify genocide. No conditions, no end.

   Oh and he and Zelensky should get a room.

5. Netanyahu Rejects Hamas Counter Offer for Hostage Deal, Insists on ‘Total Victory’

   It’s more like Total Failure including Israel collapse and bibi in prison…!

6. texts
   The Zionist Plan For The Middle East By Oded Yinon Israël Shahak [ Yinon, Oded Shahak, Israël]

   The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state.
   Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.

   https://archive.org/details/the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-by-oded-yinon-israel-shahak-yinon-oded-shah/page/n2/mode/1up

   Conquering the Middle East

   In 2007, former American four-star General Wesley Clark appeared on a PBS news show to expose a secret plot to destroy seven countries in five years. This was based on the Yinon plan to destroy independent Muslim states to allow the expansion of Israel. It was supported by the American oil industry to secure new oilfields and the powerful military industry that always seeks new conflicts to generate easy profits. Six of these seven countries have now been destroyed and President Biden plans to finish this task. https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=pEigig2qWkc&embeds_widget_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fdisqus.com%2F&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.embedly.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.embedly.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

   1. “In 2007, former American four-star General Wesley Clark appeared on a PBS news show to expose a secret plot to destroy seven countries in five years.”

      Maybe Clark appeared on PBS in 2007, and maybe he talked about the “seven countries in five years,” claim, but if he did, it was not a revelation, because there was nothing new about the claim.

      Clark first made the claim in his book which was published in the fall of 2003, when he was campaigning for the Democratic nomination to run against Bush the following year. From page 130:

      As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan. … He said it with reproach—with disbelief, almost—at the breadth of the vision. I moved the conversation away, for this was not something I wanted to hear. And it was not something I wanted to see moving forward, either.

      What did happen in 2007 was Clark claiming, in an Appearance on Democracy Now, that he had been shown a memo outlining the seven countries plan. Such a memo has never been made public and there’s no substantial evidence in the public record that it exists. Plenty of critics have suggested that it doesn’t and that Clark just isn’t credible.

      1. And yet here we are.

      2. “Plenty of critics” in the MIC, state dept, who?

         1. It doesn’t matter, in this context, who questioned or criticized the claim. What matters is that there doesn’t seem to be any publicly-available evidence supporting the claim, which was made by a guy in a political campaign.

7. ‘Total Victory’

   Seems I heard that line before; also spoken by a beleaguered Politician some 81 years ago…

   1. FDR? Churchill? Stalin? Chiang Kai Shek?

      1. A infamous speech made in Berlin

8. Negotiating with Hamas? The same group that invaded your country on 7 Oct to slaughter innocent civilians?
   Palestinians are paying a heavy price because of Hamas working independently with no regards to their people.

   Hamas needs to be crushed not talked to.

   1. When did Israel recognize Gaza as a separate Country? Never. Israel has always recognized Gaza as part of Israel, and ruled by Israel insofar as draconian persecution of the inhabitants. As a result, the Gazans were trying to break out of their prison and as far as you’re concerned, Gaza and the Rest of Israel are the same country – Israel.

      1. “When did Israel recognize Gaza as a separate Country?”

         In 1948 when they accepted UNR 181.

         And in 1949 when they reaffirmed their acceptance of UNR 181 as a condition of UN membership.

         1. Well said

         2. No they didn’t. Who was the first Israeli Ambassador to Gaza then? Accepting a UN Resolution until they ethnically cleansed the populace is not recognition the way Israel defines recognition, or the way any country defines recognition. To wit: The Palestinians have never recognized Israel.

            1. Knapp is limited to pedantry, so we must excuse him for being massively obtuse.

            2. And you’re limited to announcing that you know what’s going to happen, insisting anyone who doesn’t agree with your predictions is an idiot, running around waving your arms and yelling that it’s going to happen ANY SECOND NOW and why can’t all us idiots see that, stomping off when it still doesn’t happen (while whining that all us idiots just couldn’t see your greatness), then returning a few months later with the same set of announcements about what’s going to happen, hoping for a new (or at least forgetful) audience.

               No one has to excuse you for that. You don’t need an excuse. You do you, man.

      2. Iserel had left Gaza long before Oct 7-it was a free country.

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   2. What are Israel’s borders ?

9. From classes I took long ago on negotiation skills, telling people to give up all their negotiation power and cut their own throats in the process was definitely the way to kill any deal.

10. These ceasefire negotiations are a joke. Neither side benefits from them, although Hamas benefits more than Israel since a stop in the bombing will improve their military position more than it will the Israelis reorganizing their military, and of course spares more Palestinian lives.

    Hamas wants a long ceasefire because they know Netanyahu can’t survive much longer without his claimed “total victory”. Delaying that by even a couple weeks would mean Netanyahu gets kicked out and sent to prison eventually for corruption.

    On the Israeli side, Netanyahu can’t possibly allow a ceasefire regardless of any internal or external pressure. It would doom his cabinet and thus himself.

    The really ridiculous part is that it continues to be true that absolutely no one wants to mention the ethnic cleansing/genocide goal of the Netanyahu – and US – governments or that both sides view this as the “all in” moment when either Israel is destroyed and the US removed from the Middle East or alternatively the Palestinians and the Axis of Resistance are destroyed.

    There’s no third alternative to a major Mid East war, as I’ve been saying since 2006.

    Lightweights like Jeffrey Sachs can’t handle the truth.

    1. Hamas attacks on peaceful villages was ethnic cleansing.Hauling away raped women into captivity was ethnic cleansing. Teaching your school kids arithmetic about how to kill Jews,was a planned prelude to ethnic cleansing.Hunting terrorists is totally just.

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    2. “Lightweights like Jeffrey Sachs . . .” 🙄

       1. Sachs spends all his interviews whining and moaning and then he prescribes useless actions like the UN recognizing a Palestinian state which is being bombed to smithereens and reiterating that Biden should pick up the phone and stop Netanyahu – as if Biden, a committed Zionist and war-monger would ever do that.

          Sachs is an idiot who’s too scared of losing his connections and professional reputation to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

          1. For the UN to accept Palestine as a member would be enormously important. It wouldn’t stop the genocide, but that’s not the same as being useless. As long as the US is intent on UNSC vetoes to protect Israel and its ongoing massacre, there’s not much the UN could do to stop it.

             Sachs knows how unlikely it is that Biden will make that phone call. The point that he’s repeatedly making is that, if Biden did pick up the phone and tell Bibi to stop or lose support, and if he meant it, the genocide would stop, because Israel would have no other choice. It’s critically important that the world, including the American people, understand clearly that US support is key to enabling the slaughter.

             What do you think Sachs could do or say that would be more useful than what he is doing and saying?

             1. The reason the two-state solution and Palestinian statehood (which implies two-state) is useless is simply because until Zionists are driven out of Palestine, there can be no peace.

                If Palestinians were recognized as a state without removing Israel, then the instant some disgruntled Palestinian – or even a false flag effort by Israeli infiltrators – threw a rock across the border and hit an Israeli soldier, Israel will declare war on Palestine.

                And this is the point: right now, Palestinians are an OCCUPIED PEOPLE. They are under international law a PROTECTED people – even if the international community does nothing about it.

                Declare them a state and that protection is REMOVED. Now it’s one state against another.

                No one seems to comprehend this fact – or some people do and don’t care because their agenda is exactly that – remove protection from the Palestinians.

                What Sachs could do is tell the truth: there is no two-state solution OR ANY Palestinian “state” until the Zionists are removed from what is now Israel.

                But he can’t do that because he doesn’t really understand the situation and he can’t accuse Israelis of being fanatical Zionists because then he gets stomped on in his professional career.

                What’s the point of telling people the US supports Israeli genocide if NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? It’s just bullshit make believe that hides the real solution. Besides which, at least a third of Americans and virtually the entire rest of the world (except the EU) already knows that. So why harp on it over and over when it’s utterly pointless since nothing can change it.

                The only way this ends is with an Israeli defeat by military force from the Axis of Resistance. Period. End of story.

11. Why the fuck are you idiots discussing anything with these jackoffs Tim Burns and Jake? Post a pic telling them to fuck off and call it a day. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9705e49347b443c7f61aab56ccc7fd6e27ae89b9e8a13ef4703d26dc01e7a75a.jpg

    1. Or maybe people will talk to and with whoever they damn well please with no need for your permission.

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          1. Richard: I don’t usually block posters unless they are both utterly useless and relentlessly offensive. You’re pretty close to relentlessly offensive, but you are not useless; sometimes interesting and relevant material can be extracted from your posts.

             However, I’m really close to blocking you for cluttering my screen with the cartoon insults. I’m probably not the only one.

             1. If Knapp got his head out of his ass and blocked the obvious trolls Tim Burns and Jake, I wouldn’t need to use those pics. I don’t want to use them, but there’s no talking to idiots and I don’t have time to waste composing arguments against them.

                In any event, anyone wants to block me, feel free. No one’s forcing anyone to read me.

                Actually from here on out, I’m blocking both of them and Knapp.

             2. Being a troll doesn’t violate Antiwar.com’s guidelines. My job is to enforce those guidelines, not to just do whatever I happen to feel like.

          2. I wouldn’t dream of trying to do your job.

             Hell, I wouldn’t KNOW how to do your job. Making risible predictions then getting in a huff when people ignore or laugh at your 1000 batting average on being wrong is a very specialized skill that I have no interest in trying to develop.

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