Israeli intelligence officials have concluded that more than a fifth of the remaining Israeli hostages in Gaza are dead, news that is sure to increase the domestic anger directed at the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The Israeli assessment, which was obtained by The New York Times, said at least 30 out of the 136 Israelis held captive in Gaza have died since the start of the Israeli onslaught. The report did not say how they were killed, but it’s likely they were killed by Israeli forces.
Some freed Israeli hostages have said their primary fear while being held in Gaza was being killed by Israel’s relentless bombing campaign. In December, Israeli troops gunned down three Israeli hostages who were shirtless and waving a white flag in Gaza City.
The mother of an Israeli who died in Gaza has alleged her son was killed by poison gas Israel pumped into the tunnels underneath the Strip, citing a toxicology report. Israeli media has reported that Israel’s military is aware that bombing the tunnels could create toxic gases, such as carbon monoxide, which risks killing captive Israelis.
The Times reported last month that four senior Israeli military commanders said they concluded the only way to secure the release of the remaining Israeli hostages was through diplomacy and that there was no military solution that wouldn’t kill the captives.
Israel and Hamas are currently negotiating a potential hostage deal through Egyptian and Qatari mediators. But it’s unclear if a deal will be reached as Hamas continues to call for a permanent ceasefire, and Israel is vowing the slaughter will continue.
All those deaths are on Hamas terrorists and the people in Gaza who support them.
We know Israel is committing a premeditated genocide. Blame Hamas all you want but it is pure fiction. Israel undertook a mass Hannibal Directive on October 7th..this is Israeli policy..to murder both Israeli’s and Palestinians for their criminal enterprise.
Duh-Hamas invaded Israel during a period of calm,murdered,raped,tortured,mutilated,kidnapped,-and provoked tired desired response from Israel.Hunting down Hamas and its supporters is righteous self defense.
Even after the IDF was given a 3-day warning from Egypt before the attack. Even after multiple warnings were given from their own soldiers about Hamas openly rehearsing their attack. And even after the fact that the IDF refused to warn the festival organizers of a possible attack leaving all those “human shields” vulnerable. Sounds like willful negligence to allow for Israel’s genocidal attack that followed. But you can call it self-defense if it helps you sleep at nite.
A couple of months ago I listened to the Ralph Nader Hour on KPFK radio. His guest on his October 29 broadcast was retired Colonel Larry Wilkinson, former head of staff for Colin Powell. Col. Powell said that he did not want to go there, but in his view, considering the spy power of the Mossad, Shin Bet, U.S. listening posts in Cyprus and other areas, it was hard for him to imagine the Israeli administration and IDF to not know about the plans Hamas had hatched. Netanyahu sacrificed his own citizens to save his political *ss, and, to be able to order the “final solution” as to the Palestinian question.
There was never any calm. This is a myth.
There were no Israeli troops in Gaza,no bombing of Gaza.Occasional rocket fire from Gaza.
Wrong, there was a lot of it. Ask any Palestinian now.
The “period of calm” is a fiction. The “calm” you refer to was constant night raids, limitation of food and medicines, detaining children, killing children, a brutal blockade that, with the rarest exceptions, nothing goes in, nothing goes out. A defacto concentration camp. In fact, Israel calculated the caloric needs of Palestinians and allowed enough food to hit starvation plus. Hamas did not “invade” Israel. Israel invaded Palestine in 1948, and has occupied the same for 75 years.
How could chi dren in Gaza be detained,or night raids conducted,when there were no Israeli troops in Gaza?-teleportation? Hamas did fire rockets into Israel.
It has been going on for years. There are 5200 Palestinians in Israeli jails, including children 14 years of age.
Putin’s war supporter has spoken.
Death to Hamas!!
Israel probably killed more Israeli civilians on October 7th than Hamas did.
Where is the evidence dipsh!t?
https://w.ynet.co.il/yediot/7-days/time-of-darkness
The above hebrew article is translated at the bottom of this article:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-hq-ordered-troops-shoot-israeli-captives-7-october
https://archive.ph/N8hL7
https://www.academia.edu/112318988/Sources_suggesting_the_use_of_the_Hannibal_Directive_on_7_October
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-admits-immense-amount-friendly-fire-7-october
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/13145
https://thecradle.co/articles/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/13111
Never mind Don Julio. He/she also goes by the monikers, jake and Tim Burns. The nonsense is non ending.
Wow, a little American pretenders reunion.
And that is your evidence? Biased against Israel sources?
I didn’t expect anything more from you.
Great sources. Lol.
Don Julio gets links from Haaretz and Ynet and replies: “And that is your evidence? Biased against Israel sources?” You can’t make this shit up.
The links from Electronic Intifada and TheCradle were reporting on Israeli press reports not readily available in English, but the links to the original stories are in the pieces. I will admit that Electronic Intifada is typically anti occupation, but TheCradle is not decidedly anti-Israel. You asked for evidence and I provided you links to Israeli reporting on the subject. Once again your rank ignorance and general stupidity is on display for all to see.
Tequila Sunshine promised to anal-lise all these articles.
Did you do a forensic exam of all the bodies?
This coming from a guy who said 40 babies were beheaded and yet there were only 2 infants on Israel’s own list of casualties.
Among the dead, according to what I have read, were 300 IDF soldiers, police. In carrying out the “Hannibal Directive”, the IDF used American made tanks and Apache helicopters. Israel said 1500 Hamas fighters died as well.
Israel has been violating Palestinian rights for over 70 years! I guess that doesn’t matter when it comes to saintly Israel? If a woman being raped strikes back at her attacker, is she a “terrorist”? “All those deaths” are Israel’s fault, for its INTENDED slaughter of Palestinians, using the lies of October 7 to fuel the operation!
Yes,blame the victim.
All those deaths are on Hamas terrorists and the people in Gaza who support them.
And in what way is Israel determining who does, and who doesn’t support Hamas? And in what way are they ensuring those that they are targeting are supporters of Hamas? And who decided to drop 25,000 tons of bombs (the equivalent of two nukes), many of them the 2000 lb “dumb” variety, on a densely populated area consisting of a majority of women and children?
The Israeli populace is under a mass psychosis of sorts. Most want more violence and death..92% of the polled population. Not everyone but the majority of the populace supports the inhumane barbaric “Hannibal Directive” which allows for the murder of Israeli citizens by the IDF.
This was evident by eye witness reports on October 7th, and by the televised murder of three hostages carrying white flags.
What Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank is further proof that Israel needs to be defanged, and stopped since it has no self control, or the ability to mitigate its own murderous actions.
Anything to add about Hamas, or is Hamas the victim now?
Another Israeli witness confirms Israeli tanks killed own citizens on Oct. 7
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/another-israeli-witness-confirms-israeli-tanks-killed-own-citizens-on-oct-7/3079514
Dude, just choke yourself out for being such an dumbass.
That source? Seriously?
Not the most improved blogger here.
The Israeli’s name is Porat. Her account was posted two months ago.
I provided you with Israeli media reports on the subject and you pretended they were “anti Israel.” You’ve been provided with evidence so stop with the clueless schtick.
Tequila promised to anal-ise the article and get back with you.
Hamas opposed Oslo,and refused negotiations.Oct 7 was a stunt to derail improved relations between Israel and the more moderate elements of the Sunni world. Hamas wanted to draw Israel in for a long period of guerilla urban warfare. It had to be met with force. Haling off of babies into captivity,raping and hauling women away is primitive,vicious warfare,and it being met.
Israel frankly opposed Oslo as they continued to build settlements on land that they claim to agree would set up a Palestinian state.
Oslo, and the Abraham Accords made scant mention of the Palestinians. An after thought. There are now 700,00 settlers in the West Bank, about the approximate number of Palestinians who fled during the Nakba in 1948. Ironic, isn’t it? Neither stopped the continual humiliation, brutalizing, killing of Palestinians.
There might have been a two state solution,until Arafat called for the rightof return,killing it.
NO PEACE WITH ISRAEL
NO RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL
NO NEGOTIATION WITH ISRAEL
We Won’t coexist with Israel so Death to Israel and everybody else.
Israel turned up,Hamas refused to even show up.
https://imeu.org/article/netanyahu-putting-an-end-to-the-oslo-accords-the-two-state-solution
For more than two decades, Benjamin Netanyahu has played a central role in the failure of the US-sponsored Oslo negotiations process and the two-state solution that it’s predicated on. As he boasted to a group of Israeli settlers in a candid moment caught on video in 2001 following his first term as prime minister (1996-1999): “I de facto put an end to the Oslo Accords.”
https://imeu.org/article/netanyahu-putting-an-end-to-the-oslo-accords-the-two-state-solution
Death to Israel and, and, and, Death to the Prophet and
Death to you, and Death to me.
I feel like I just read a passage from the Quran in your statement.
“The report did not say how they were killed, but it’s likely they were killed by Israeli forces.”
Of course, killed not by Hamas who brutally murdered 1,400 innocent civilians on 7 Oct but by Israel themselves. All without any proof.
Awesome.
1200, not 1400 https://www.npr.org/2023/11/11/1212458974/israel-revises-death-toll-hamas-attacks-oct-7
And almost 400 of whom were on duty IDF Soldiers. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths
And so what about the rest-civilians hiding in their homes,peaceful families brutally murdered.
A tragedy. Like the dead 11,500 children hiding in their homes in Gaza.
Or more. When the rubble is cleared, there will be more counted. I cannot imagine the evil of telling people to move to a “safe zone”, then being bombed there. Rafah is being bombed. The senile motherf*cker we call our president is complicit. (his senility was on display the other day during a speech he was delivering when he confused Mitterand with Macron – Mitterand has been dead since 1996). Trump would not be any better. Certainly not RFK.Jr., who is all in for Israel.
Many, many more.
Trying too hard to be American.
Yes, peaceful, carefree lives, while on the other side of the barriers there were people like them who had no hope, 70% unemployment, limited travel, limited food, limited medicine, their olive crops destroyed by settlers, limited potable water, subjected to night raids, children detained or shot, a brutal blockade. How much can a people take it until they cannot take any more?
You care much about them but give two sh!ts about all the destruction and killings caused by Putin in Ukraine which you dish!t support.
Hypocrite.
No one cares about Ukraine any more. I guess that’s why you have to keep bringing it up in Israel/Palestine threads. BTW how are things going in Avdiivka?
Who knows where jake, Don Julion and Tim Burns are broadcasting from. Obviously pro-Zionist Israel, pro-Kiev NAZIs, pro-NATO. Most definitely pro-AIPAC.
Pro-fascist is the key here. They are all fascists tride and true. That’s why they have to be opposed and called out at every opportunity. If you let fascists run amok you end up with atrocities like we are witnessing and have witnessed over the decades.
In the USA the codeword for fascist (sic nazi) is neocon.
Did you care about the shelling of Donbass oblasts by Kiev forces, shelling that over a period of 8 years killed 14,000 Russian speaking Ukraine citizens? Did you care about the reasonable offer by Russia to prevent war in December, 2021, that was turned down by the U.S.? Again in February, 2022 by the U.S. and U.K., with Boris being the messenger?
Hamas should not have attacked or kidnapped them or the people at the music festival, and it was wrong for them to do so. The same as Israel is wrong to indiscriminately bomb and starve peaceful families in Gaza.
what is your solution?
Ta-da! The standard “if not genocide, then what?” question. Like clockwork.
Your personal animosity adds nothing to the conversation.It is easy to criticize others,but you never come up with a better solution. Because you have none-HA.
And my personal animosity will continue to anyone who condones genocide as you have been doing you disgusting piece of fucking shit. How’s that?
I’m not aware if there is an official competition for who could be the scummiest person on the planet? Are they really running on a platform of killing Palestinian babies for peace?
Long term counterinsurgency plan like Jocko advised https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YX8Fz8dvv_U
It was wrong to occupy Gaza and the West Bank. It was doubly wrong to impose the blockage, beginning in 2007, which prevents anything or anyone coming in or going out of the occupied territory, except for rare occasions. It was triply wrong to cut electricity, potable water, medicines, food. Concerning food, it is a fact that Israel calculated the caloric needs of the population of the occupied territories, limited food to satisfy caloric needs just above starvation. Of course, now it is starvation, plus, added circumstance of disease to kill off as many Palestinians as possible on the ground, while continuing to drop bombs. Even in “safe zones”.
Also, some significant numbers were victims of indiscriminate IDF fire. Those destroyed and incinerated structures, and the people in them, were hit by tank fire and helicopter-launched missiles.
The report by one of the survivors of the death of the screaming little girl who was taken out by tank fire resonates in my mind. That little girl was the poster girl for the Israeli news. In the aftermath, pictures of the area showed tank tracks everywhere.
Horse sh!t.
And Shut the hell up, as if that reduces the horrible terrorist act committed by Hamas.
I provided you with Israeli reporting the subject. I suggest you stop with the righteous indignation. If only you had the same indignation for the Iraqis and Afghanis you helped slaughter.
We are talking about Israel-Palestine.Are you responsible for the millions butchered by Mao,or the high price of orange juice?
DJ claims he was a former member of the U.S. military and deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I was referencing that. Got it sporto?
did agent Julio actually make that claim?
omg i hope so because that would actually explain why he has the down-vote button on speed-dial.
oh shit; suddenly agent Julio’s mysterious agenda makes a little bit of sense.
Yes he has.
Don Julio, jake and Tim Burns are the same person.
Yeah, because NPR is run by Putin.
Every story has to be cleared by the IDF, as well as the Zionist colonial regime. Eventually, the truth finds a way out. By the way, Israel has lowered the count to 1200, the count including up to 400 IDF soldiers and police, all armed to the teeth. Many Israelis were killed by crossfire, or outright hits by Israeli tanks and Apache helicopters. The killing of hostages by the IDF continues to this day. There estimated as many as 1/5 of the hostages have been killed by Israeli 2,000 lb bombs, or, in one case verified by the parents, a young Israeli was killed by gasses introduced into the tunnel either by virtue of the bombs creating the gas, or, introduction into the tunned by the IDF engineers. You do remember articles revealing the presence of U.S. Special Forces to aid the IDF in the introduction of sea water, and gas, don’t you?
“The report did not say how they were ‘killed'” No mention of Israel. Of course not. Even when “Israeli bombs” civilian Palestinian buildings, they’re just “bombs.” Who could be reasonably certain they were “Israeli bombs?” Like the Israeli hostages were “killed.” Who could be reasonably certain it was Israel? If Hamas killed the hostages, they might as well just have slit their own throats. Without hostages, there is no negotiations and they would all be as good as dead. Don’t use logic here.
the only thing that logic is good for is throwing it out the window to scare off strange noises in the night.
LOL
damnit man someday i will manage to find you
and i will indeed buy you a beer.
i have managed to narrow your location down to somewhere
in the northern hemisphere. better start looking over your shoulder, son of bitch … bud lite heading in your direction… it is all about the triangulation, and i have a collection of two dollar protractors, each one more accurate than the last ….
what
wut
Why no Israel’s cease-fire? One of Lehi’s three-man leadership, Dr. Israel Eldad, issued the following statement on June 9: “The Fighters for Freedom of Israel [LEHI] will not regard itself as bound by any cease-fire or order anywhere, anyplace, anytime. . . . Any military delegation of outsiders . . . who come to Palestine to implement cease-fire orders will be regarded [by Lehi] as enemy invaders and treated as such.” (A Death in Jerusalem, Kati Marton, Pantheon Books, New York, P-139)
Israel Says More Than a Fifth of Israeli Hostages in Gaza Are Dead
oh i guess they counted them? hey maybe the Israeli hostages in Gaza perished while Israel was busy bombing the shit out of Gaza. hmm. friendly fire much?
what would Pat Tillman say.
Pat was fragged. He went from poster boy for aggression to anti-war. He spoke out against the war, therefore he was a dead man walking. From the reports I read, he was double tapped to make sure he was gone. Then the military lied about his death. The truth finally came out.
in other words; friendly fire?
the truth might have came out but all these years later uncle sam still writes the narrative.
Yep.
We just cannot seem to get a clear answer on just what Israel is really trying to achieve? Are we missing something? I think I can say, most of us here, really do want to understand and do as much as we can to try and get peace accomplished… Let us really sort it out and put our asses into it because we really need to.
They are sending a message-make us hurt,and we will hurt you more.