Donald Tusk, Poland’s new pro-EU prime minister, was sworn in on Wednesday, a day after delivering a speech where he vowed his government would push for the West to continue supporting Ukraine in its war with Russia.
Tusk, who previously served as prime minister from 2007-2014, promised Poland’s “full involvement with Ukraine in this cruel conflict with the Russian aggressor” and said he was “fed up with some European politicians from countries of the West who speak about being tired of the situation in Ukraine.”
He said the task of his government is “to loudly and firmly demand the full determination from the entire Western community to help Ukraine in this war. I will do this from day one.”
Poland has been a staunch supporter of the proxy war in Ukraine since the Russian invasion, but Tusk’s predecessor, Mateusz Morawiecki, said in September that Warsaw was done arming Kyiv due to a spat over Ukrainian grain.
Morawiecki’s announcement was seen as a pre-election maneuver to appeal to his base, but it still signaled a significant fracturing of NATO support for Ukraine. But now Tusk is vowing the Polish government will “loudly and decisively demand the full mobilization of the free world, the Western world, to help Ukraine in this war.”
There are still signs of growing war fatigue in the West, including in Slovakia, where recently-elected Prime Minister Robert Fico has cut off military aid to Ukraine. Over in the US, President Biden has yet to secure the over $60 billion he is seeking to fund the war, although Republican leadership says it will authorize the funds once the Democrats agree to changes in border policies.
Fools rush in where bankrupt wiser nations fear to tread again!
Since when is Slovakia in the West?
They’re not geographically, but if they step on a nail, they’ll probably bleed NATO and EU like all the so called “West.”
There are signs of growing fatigue in Russia as well:
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-putin-questions-kremlin-qa-1852365
Yeah, but we don’t talk about that in antiwar.com.
Dave Decamp for sure won’t get close to bring that up.
Newsweek is part of state affiliated media just like Pravda was/is part of Russian state affiliated media, and just as unreliable insofar as objectivity is concerned.
So, why don’t you post the transcript of that Putin Q&A and prove them wrong?
Doesn’t fit the narrative that only the US is bad!
I wish I had that child-like niavete: “my daddy is the best daddy!”
If they are part of the EU and/or NATO, they are “in the West”
Short answer is Slovakia is lined up with the West but
Send an email to Dave DeCamp. I swear he’ll fix it next time.
The new Polish Government will “loudly and decisively demand the full mobilization (against Russia!)” Reminds me of my daily serenity prayer. It is basically praying to God that if He finds me in a hole that He gives me the wisdom to stop digging. God is either not receiving any such prayers from the Polish people at all, or He’s dead and we’re on our own.
Bad news for you dictator lovers.
Bad news for you Empire builders too.
The West has been mobilizing in support of Ukraine for almost 2 years. Russia is holding out for (and probably bankrolling) Republicans in the US to win an election. (They haven’t been doing so well — if you haven’t been paying attention.) If the MAGA-types lose, Russia will be eventually defeated (the militarily and economically).
BTW, for all the Putin lovers on this site, here’s what your crush has been up to:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/pussy-riot-on-the-run-from-vladimir-putin.html
The Russians aren’t stupid enough to think the majority of republicans are against funding Ukraine. And unless the US can “fund” some bodies, any support will be meaningless.
Yet it’s the Russians laying all over the battlefield.
While the Ukrainians go unscathed? One side has a population that can replace dead bodies. One side doesn’t. But you’re good with that.
Not my decision. If the Russians invaded the US, then I would have a “dog-in-the-fight”. As it stands, it’s the Ukrainians that have decided to fight the invaders to secure their freedom and sovereignty. I support them as I would any freedom-fighters.
If (when?) China invades Russia, will you say Putin and the Russians should negotiate and settle for what land they have left?
If (when?) China invades Russia, will you say Putin and the Russians should negotiate and settle for what land they have left?
If it’s the same situation as Ukraine and Russia, certainly (it wouldn’t be). I live in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. If the US and Canada were fighting over who could fly their fucking flag in my front yard and I had a choice between being destroyed or continuing to live relatively the same way I had been living, I’d tell them to flip a coin.
First, if China invaded Siberia, it would be VERY similar.
Second, if Canada invaded the Upper Penninsula and stooped you from eating Pasties AND raped your sister, wife, daughter (or son for that matter), you be picking up an assault rifle and looking for a Javelin!
“”if Canada invaded the Upper Penninsula and stooped you from eating Pasties AND raped your sister, wife, daughter (or son for that matter)””
isn’t that what Ukraine was doing to Crimea?
Was it?
“…if Canada invaded the Upper Penninsula…”
No chance. We know you’d instantly cede all of Michigan to us and have suckered us into dealing with Detroit for you…
Canada, the 51st state. Just say your sorry and move along.
Oh, Boys, we’re nowhere near 51st.
Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia share rights to that title. The ASI is clearly more important that most citizens of any state in the Union. Iraq, under US occupation, was at least the 54th state (Americans didn’t even need a passport to travel there !).
Guam could be a state ! Wouldn’t that be nice ? You could have a tropical state that a) isn’t m.f-ing Florida, and b) doesn’t have “slightly higher prices” at Burger King like Hawaii (tho Alaska and Times Square suffer that premium also).
I just lament that years back, Canada frequently passed on the opportunity to bring on tropical Turks & Caicos as our 11th province.
https://www.visittci.com/nature-and-history/history/canada-proposed-union
Just blow up the bridge.
First, if China invaded Siberia, it would be VERY similar.
How so?
And there would have been no invasion if the US had sat at a table and negotiated with Canada about its legitimate security concerns beforehand or shortly after the invasion when the damage was minimal. That why I said my choices were between being destroyed and living my life relatively the same as I was. That’s what happened with Russia and Ukraine. Talk before and there is no invasion. Talk after, and the damage would have been very minimal. Either way, Ukraine would still be whole, minus Crimea, and their infrastructure would be pretty much fully intact. I won’t mention all the death since that doesn’t seem to concern you.
First, your premise is — and has been — wrong all along. Putin wanted all of Ukraine. You can act like that wasn’t true because it doesn’t fit your narrative but you’d still be wrong. If (when) China invades Siberia, we’ll have a conversation and we’ll see if your beliefs hold up.
BTW, Canada I won’t be invading anyone. It’s not in your culture. Besides, you’re our little buddy!
Why on earth would Putin even want all of Ukraine? Stop reading the MSM. And what exactly do you think my narrative is?
You said China invading Siberia would be VERY similar to Russia invading Ukraine. Don’t say it unless you care to elaborate.
The Russians and the Chinese are level headed, common sense statesmen.
The Ukrainians did not decide to fight invaders, Zelensky and the Azov neo-Nazis sold the nation for cannon fodder and ruins to the Americans for tons of money.
Biden did not get what he wants, Putin is still the president and Russia is still one piece but the war profiteers made out big time.
“ Putin is still the president and Russia is still one piece…”
So far…
while the US is imploding. Putin will be reelected in 2024 I believe, Biden will not be reelected unless the voters are 100% idiots. Trump is not any better, just a different personal style.
Give me some examples of the US imploding. Russia’s economy is falling apart (along with their military). Just because you’re a Putin cultists doesn’t mean I’m not right.
“If the MAGA-types lose, Russia will be eventually defeated”
Biden’s Democrats, and a compliant lot of Republicans, have had ~660 days to throw whatever they feel like in Kiev’s hands, and still no closer to ‘defeating’ the Russian Federation (militarily or economically).
Let Joltin’ Joe win next Nov and give him to Jan 2029 and BOTH House and Senate and he’ll STILL not have any effect on the outcome.
Ukraine is done, Zelenskiyy’s in a fantasy world, and there’s more votes and Jebus Favour to win backing the ASI against Gaza (and more international goodwill to lose by doing so) so don’t expect a Miracle on 4th Reich Street in Kiev this Christmas, kids.
Putin finally (and accidentally) admitted over 300,000 dead and seriously wounded Russian military personnel since the beginning of the “SMO”. Keep your fantasy world moving along, son.
Uh huhhhh. And the USA threw away more lives in Iraq and Afghanistan than were lost on 9/11. The IDF has lost ~1,000 soldiers to diminish Hamassian forces by, what, half at best ? Zelenskiyy will sacrifice any number. So what ?
A goal’s a goal. Realising that the Russian Federation cannot back down (and why should they ? They’re winning by every metric and at any pace) and Ukraine isn’t smart enough to stop throwing remaining lives after good lives, perhaps NOW is a pretty decent time to negotiate an end to this war that both sides can live with.
Ukraine can agree to military neutrality and to maybe maybe stop all the racism against ethnic Russians. They can keep their neo-Nazis too, the RF can give that one up (The Azovs and Banderites will be the European Union’s problem soon, anyways)
The Russian Federation can sign a permanent peace deal with Kiev, maintain a voluntary demilitarised zone within its own territory as a good-faith demonstration, and agree to binding, fair, free, internationally-conducted and overseen (I nominate India, the world’s largest democracy and a trustworthy international broker) referendae in the pro-Russian regions of East Ukraine to determine the will of the people to stay with Ukraine, or to join or affiliate with the RF.
If everyone can get a bit of a win, everyone can stop losing lives.
And Ukraine has lost at least that many. Do you understand that one country is much larger than the other?
“If the MAGA-types lose, Russia will be eventually defeated”
Biden’s Democrats, and a compliant lot of Republicans, have had ~660 days to throw whatever they feel like in Kiev’s hands, and still no closer to ‘defeating’ the Russian Federation (militarily or economically).
Let Joltin’ Joe win next Nov and give him to Jan 2029 and BOTH House and Senate and he’ll STILL not have any effect on the outcome.
Ukraine is done, Zelenskiyy’s in a fantasy world, and there’s more votes and Jebus Favour to win backing the ASI against Gaza (and more international goodwill to lose by doing so) so don’t expect a Miracle on 4th Reich Street in Kiev this Christmas, kids.
I am way more Pussy Riot than Putin. But there are a lot of leaps of faith you take there. Opposition to furthering the Ukraine debacle unites leftists, rightists and centrists; some of the most esteemed journalists; former military leaders; and yes, some other rock stars. If indeed we are all being bankrolled by Putin, then hats off to Russia. The coup is the greatest in history.
Great news. He is well liked in Poland and represents the majority of the people. Awesome.
He was installed with the help of the CIA, just like the installed Kiev Dictatorship/regime.
Oh good, he’s such a warrior, we can butt out now?
F**k around and find out.
Many embassy employees in every American embassy are CIA agents. In Teheran many of the hostages were CIA agents.
Oh, my! So, you believe the US is the only country that uses diplomatic cover for their intelligence agents? You ARE adorable!
Where did I say that?
Why don’t you f**k around and find out>?
Ummm. OK.
You’re off-key with that ummmm.
And the regimes in Berlin, Paris, Helsinki, and Stockholm.
How does continuing Ukraine’s losing misadventure against the Russian Federation benefit Tusk’s Poland ?
First guess, it “weakens” the Russian Federation, but Poland has been on track to build an exceptional military so why degrade the one thing ‘justifying’ such a buildup of forces (unless Belarus is suddenly USSR II) ?
Second guess – and this comes back to rumours abounding so take as you will – perhaps some old territorial ambitions are rearing their heads in Warsaw. If Tusk can keep Ukraine fighting until it collapses and enough Western hacks claim the RF intends to swallow up the whole of Ukraine, perhaps Tusk’s NATOified Poland can “ride to the rescue” and sweep in to occupy…I mean, annex…no wait, ‘peacekeep’…Kiev’s remnant territory before a rump-state European Union Welfare State of West Ukraine can cobble itself together.