Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said on Tuesday that there should be “no limit” on how many civilian casualties Israel incurs in its bombardment of Gaza.
Graham made the comments while appearing on CNN after Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp in north Gaza, killing dozens of people. An Israeli military commander was asked after the strike if Israel was aware the camp was full of innocent civilians and replied, “This is the tragedy of war.”
Graham was asked if there was a threshold where the US might ask Israel to hold off on causing so many civilian casualties. “No. If somebody asked us after World War II, ‘Is there a limit what would you do to make sure that Japan and Germany don’t conquer the world? Is there any limit what Israel should do to the people who are trying to slaughter the Jews? The answer is no. There is no limit,” he said.
Israeli officials have been pointing to the US and allied bombings of Germany and Japan during World War II, which killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, to justify their onslaught in Gaza. The comparison includes the US fire bombings of Japanese cities, which killed around 100,000 civilians in Tokyo in one night in 1945, as well as the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Graham previously said if Israel doesn’t do something similar to Gaza, it would be a mistake. “Gaza is going to look like Tokyo and Berlin at the end of World War II when this is over. And if it doesn’t look that way, Israel made a mistake,” Graham said on Fox News.
The New York Times reported on Monday that Israeli officials conveyed to their US counterparts that “mass civilian casualties” were an acceptable toll of the Gaza campaign, which has been reflected by the massive child death toll, which according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, stands at 3,648. When asked about the child casualty rate on Monday, the Pentagon said there were “no limits” on how Israel can use its US-provided weapons.
Unchecked power turns small-minded cowards into bloodthirsty monsters. Graham, McCain, the US State Department, and the CIA started the war in Ukraine war in 2014. Lindsey Graham harbors the soul of Heinrich Himmler: no room for human compassion.
When we get Israel on trial, for human rights violations and perhaps even potential genocide, we can feel free to call him as a witness…Along with certain, like minded, US officials.
Momentary relapse…. Sorry…
Yep. I am with you, though. Nothing happened after Cast Lead or Protective Edge. Nothing.
Not gonna happen…!
Lindsey Graham is a disgrace to Humanity.
He is and he totally represents the people who keep on reelecting him. Please, nobody tell me it’s not their fault.
It’s not their fault. Because South Carolina is a bright-red GOP state and Lindsey Graham has enough political leverage to ensure that he never faces a threat in the primary election.
I know, I know… I just didn’t want to hear it. Do you sometimes know, but still have a problem accepting reality? …No? …Just me? It’s hopeless.
It’s their fault for being racist backwoods peckerheads who, not too long ago, were bombing black churches and killing little girls. Of course they are KKKristian Zionists.
Well, as I recall he was pretty desperate in his last election and was begging for help on FOX. The polls at that time did not look good for him. He did get re-elected, and I imagine it was because of a massive infusion of cash into his campaign.
It’s their fault for being racist backwoods peckerheads who, not too long ago, were bombing black churches and killing little girls. Of course they are KKKristian Zionists.
Graham was elected (this current time) by about 27% of South Carolina’s population. Is it the other 73%’s fault too?
Fine, we’ll add lazy to racist backwoods peckerheads.
Wasn’t the original comment about blaming the people that elected him?
Yes. And my question was whether the people who didn’t elect him are to blame as well.
And it would have been a good question if the original comment had blamed the entire population.
It’s a good question anyway. How responsible are people for the actions of those who supposedly represent them?
Who did they vote for, or did they not have a viable candidate and stayed home.
Very few candidates, if any, receive a majority of votes. When you take into consideration the number of votes against the number of ‘eligible’ voters, both those who vote and those who decide for whatever reason not to vote, there’s probably no candidate who gets more than about 30% of the eligble voter base. One exception that comes to mind is that Barack Obama got 96% of the Black female vote in 2012, no doubt had something to do with skin color.
The problem with Obama is he did nothing for blacks, everything for big banks. A creation of wealth, winner of the award for best sales meme. “Hope and Change”. Kind of catchy, isn’t it.
If not him, then AIPAC would just bribe whoever replaced him and we would be back to square 1. The only solution I see is a return to a loose confederation as the founders (at least the anti-federalists) intended. And the only path toward that is dedollarizarion.
Obviously got Slow Joe by his gonads.
do you have documents showing these so called bribes?
Yes, AIPAC keeps a list and you can help bribe them on their behalf if you are so inclined https://candidates.aipacpac.org/page/featured/
He’s far from the only one. The Israel lobby has their tentacles wrapped around a lot of Democrat and Republican traitors https://candidates.aipacpac.org/page/featured/.
Zionist lobby is participating in printing $. It is an integral part of US financial elite.
A one word reply”Amen”
Along with Newton Gingrich, one of Sean Hannity’s best buddies.
Zionist colonizers will carry on with their genocidal policy until united Muslim world stops it. Neither Russia nor China will do it for them. They can provide only weapons and diplomatic support in UN.
As the Bard said “Pray lets get on with it”.
When one prays and then goes to work or to fight then the pray is much more efficient than just a pray only.
It will not happen. Israeli Zionists will wave the BOMB in their faces. I believe they will use a tactical nuke on Iran. And get away with it.
What I don’t understand, how does this nitwit Senator compare Hamas, a militia force, to Imperial Japan or Germany. Two power countries with arsenal of weapons, an air force, and a navy.
Lindsey Graham is a liar, about everything always, he knows he’s full of shit. He just wants to make sure he gets his cut of the AIPAC bribes, and then he’ll gladly continue bleeding Americans dry financially to bleed whoever Israel hates literally.
As we used to say in the Sixtys,Right On my brother.
Sticks and stones + old missiles against a modern military power. The slaughter will continue
The main difference: Hamas is fighting for their own Palestinian land and for Palestinian independent state. Japan and Germany invaded other countries which never were parts either of Germany or of Japan ever before. German and Japanese imperialists, like Zionists, were fighting for increasing their “Lebensraum”.
Hamas is fighting for Hamas.
What do you think Hamas has to gain from, e.g., its October 7th attacks?
What do you think Netanyahu had to gain? How did he not know of the planning of the mission? How did we, the U.S., not know. According to retired Col. Larry Wilkerson in an interview with Ralph Nader, we have in the area three installation that are listening posts . Add to that Shin Bet, Mossad (who perhaps embedded their people in Gaza to spy), and you have to ask, how did they “blunder”?
It’s not so much what they hoped to gain as what they hoped to stop losing. They were becoming so unpopular in Gaza that they were having to violently suppress protests and publicly execute dissidents to stay in power. They wanted to bring in someone who would look even worse than themselves. And they did.
I’m not aware that any of this past summer’s protests were in any way threatening to Hamas’ position in Gaza. And the October 7th attacks certainly weren’t planned recently. I think you’re stretching a looong way here.
“Just months before the Oct. 7 attack on Israel by Hamas, an opinion survey found that 73% of Gaza residents believed the Hamas government to be corrupt. And that percentage had been rising, which may help explain one possible reason why the Islamist group launched the attack on Israeli civilians to provoke a response. After previous conflicts with Israel, Hamas’ popularity rose, even if temporarily, until Palestinians in Gaza again noticed corruption in their public institutions.” — Christian Science Monitor, 11/02/23
As for the attacks being planned recently or not recently, attacks are often planned and prepared for well in advance but then launched at particular times when opportune or necessary. The US started working on War Plan Orange 35 years before Pearl Harbor.
That’s an editorial. I don’t find it persuasive.
October 7th wasn’t the sort of attack that would be launched to trigger a response that would help mold domestic opinion. Hamas had to know that it was starting a war and taking an existential risk.
I wasn’t posting it to convince you. I was posting it to establish that my thinking is well within the range of possibilties that others are considering rather than asome kind of bizarre “stretch.”
Yes, Hamas knew it was starting a war, and war always entails existential risk.It was a desperate move. The question is whether the desperation was general among Palestinians or specific to Hamas.
Well, Hamas certainly didn’t conduct a referendum. There’s not much question about the desperation felt by the Palestinians of Gaza and it’s clear that a majority generally support actions of the resistance against the occupier. It’s doubtful that they would support an attack likely to trigger a new Nakba or that Hamas would expect them to.
I’m sure we’ll learn more about Hamas’ intentions and expectations eventually.
Where do you think Hamas came from, Mars? What do you think Hamas’ “army” is made up of? I’ll give you a hint.Young men who come from the same concentration camp. Young men who have lost hope, have no job (more than 50% unemployed, which means those young men cannot marry), unlucky to be born in the concentration camp. It is all they have known. Add to that the control by the Zionists, the incursion by the settlers (who are acquiring lands by way of the bulldozer), and the IDF. It did not take much to recruit them for the mission, knowing that they may not come back (1500 didn’t).
Whatever Hamas is fighting for, the other side is re-fighting the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto, and for the same sort of thinking about sub-human “animals.”
No one wants Gaza.
Gaza will become an upscale Israeli settlement with luxury homes and condos that have beautiful views of the Mediterranean.
Hamas is just another Iranian proxy army,and Iran has plenty of resources.
When in doubt, exaggerate Iran’s power. They’re just about to send Hamas $14.3 billion. And that’s on top of the annual $4 billion already sent. No Iran and we have peace on earth.
How about no U.S. hegemony seeking *ssholes like Graham and we have peace on earth. Like the late Howard Zinn said, “we have been many places”. The mission? To f*ck up those places for their “freedom”, “democracy”. All of it “rules based”, of course. If we, the “exceptional nation” were “rules based”, how did we allow a people, Palestinians, to be kept in a concentration camp for 70+ years?
hamas refised to discuss peace or a railway to the West Bank.
They will starve their people.Asymetric warfare in their neighborhood is relatively cheap.
You always prove my point. Thank you.
Adding Iran to this conversation is non sequitur.
But even comparing Iran to Imperial Japan and Germany is an amateur hour, not to mention, the biggest supporters of Hamas is Turkey and Qatar not Iran.
They will say anything to justify JENOCIDE by aynone who hates IRAN .
He’s an elected official. All he knows how to do is collect money and votes.
There must be something toxic in the water in South Carolina that makes voters stupid.
They also gave us Biden, when the Democratic Party used the primary there to drive out Bernie and install Biden.
Twas a sad day for America when the Clintons and Obama grasped the Democratic party. It was bed before but they made itvworse,
Yep, that’s also the place that gave us Nikki Haley, warmonger par excellence. South Carolina has a big military presence so that probably explains much of it.
Except that much of the professional military is sickened by this. I know that I was when I was still serving.
They might be sickened but they’re going along with it because their career advancement depends on it.
Hey, I was drafted. 😉
Of course. Cooperate and Graduate.
I was at Fort Jackson in 1965
I do not remember by time at Ft Jackson with fondness, Just a bunch of redneck Sargeants yelling.
What he says is not the problem. The problem is we actually do as he says.
The US turn will come, Lindsey honey. He’s a good measure of American decadence.
Lindsey Graham is scary, unhinged, and blows with the wind like a tumbleweed. But here he is speaking something honestly: now that Israel has declared war on Hamas, there are no constraints on Israel against harming civilians. Just as the US felt no constraints in its (undeclared) wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya (and North Korea, Vietnam) and its declared wars on Germany and Japan. Forget about war crimes, because only the losers will be dragged into court. That is the real lesson of Nuremburg.
That’s how it is in the modern era. If civilians were more spared in the days of pitched battles on open fields, it may be only because the civilian populations were more dispersed. Nowadays they are concentrated in cities and open to bombardment.
Do you remember Cast Lead, Protective Edge?
It will be better for America and its foreign policy when Lindsay Graham has nothing to do with it. We definitely have too many war lovers in Congress. This can not end well.
What a sick SOB…
Yes, but that sick SOB is paraded across CNNMSNBCCBSABC weekly to dispense his illness to the people.
Why?
Yes, we murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians through indiscriminate bombing in WW2; and that was a shameful thing.
It was caused by loud mouthed, partisan “air power enthusiasts” who SWORE that killing civilians would “break the enemy’s back” and end up “saving lives in the long run”, and because it was new, and the allies were desperate, they were listened to.
But as the post war strategic bombing studies showed, the bombing of civilians did little to end the war. And since then the indiscriminate bombing of civilians has been classified as a war crime, and banned, although people with air power still can’t resist using it against people without (see Warden’s air plan for the Gulf War, that prioritized targets in Baghdad over bombing troops in the field, leading to the atrocity of the Al Firdos bombing where we killed over 400 civilian women and children “by mistake”).
So there’s rhetoric, and reality. Israel has planes, the Gazans don’t have air defense, so Israel is going to bomb. We would too, and justify it later.
But that doesn’t make it “right”, and for a gutless, limp wristed loon like Graham to encourage it is shameful and a disgrace.
US policy in WWII was to focus on precision bombing of military and industrial sites and to limit civilian casualties. American officials condemned (at least publicly) indiscriminate attacks on cities, which British forces engaged in fairly often. Late in the war, things changed, ostensibly for the reasons Javy cites.
Despite its proclaimed policy, US forces participated in the British-led attacks on Dresden that created the famous firestorm there and killed tens of thousands of civilians.
Missions against Japanese production, flown mostly by Curtis LeMay’s 21st Bomber Command based on Guam, weren’t having the desired effect. The B-29s flew at high altitude to avoid flak and there was nothing about the bombing that could be called precision.
LeMay decided to take a different approach. He had the planes stripped of every bit of gear not needed for the revised mission, including guns and crew, and loaded them to the max with incendiary munitions — white phosphorus and the cool new stuff from Harvard labs, napalm. The first incendiary attack on Tokyo, in March 1945, flown at low-level to increase the chances of the individual fires joining in a massive conflagration, killed at least 100,000 civilians.
LeMay hadn’t asked permission to firebomb Tokyo, because he knew he wouldn’t get it. Afterwards, he said, “We don’t pause to shed any tears for uncounted hordes of Japanese who lie charred in that acrid-smelling rubble. The smell of Pearl Harbor fires is too persistent in our own nostrils.”
A few weeks later, after seeing aerial photographs of the firebombing campaign, Hap Arnold wrote to LeMay: “A quick glance at the map certainly gives the impression that something over half of Tokyo is now gone. Tokyo incendiary operations have certainly been among the most effective in the entire history of bombing. Keep up the good work.”
Graham and the Israelis sure know how to justify today’s war crimes.
I knew a man who was a bombardier on some of the runs over German. After the war, he got a job with Technicolor,colorizing films. He ran across one film titled for a bombing run he was on that was being colorized for the military, pictures take on the ground by German authorities. Pictures of the carnage on the ground clearly showed one of the structures hit was a school. Children’s bodies were strewn everywhere. The poor man had a complete breakdown, was hospitalized. Carried that with him the rest of his life. I learned about this from his brother.
Netanyahu threw that in our face, the firebombing of Japan, Dresden, the nukes, as justification for what the Ziofascists are doing right now.
This evil guy is not even worth to comment on…!
Dr. Goebbels from SC spoke from the heart…What a Christian… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1be1e5504a9837801fe7136f9f757f8eea92497f3cd87bcc65c9afb5c0f91779.jpg sigh
Well one thing is for sure when it comes to killing CIVILIANS America has no EQUALS starting 300 years ago with the NATIVE FIRST NATIONS who to this day are denied the rights to the CONTINENT which is their BIRTH RIGHT .
Graham is an evil monster.
Shame on South Carolina for putting this warmonger in Congress over and over again.
I think Dorothy Allison wrote about him in her bestselling novel ‘Bastard Out Of Carolina’.
don’t know the book, but the title fits the Bastard.
Thanks for your comment. I can’t stop laughing. You made my day.
That’s all I’m ever after in life !
The man has put me off one of my favorite foods: graham crackers…
He made me p*ke.
Sen. Graham Says “there should be No Limit on How Many Civilians Israel Can Kill”
what, yalls are surprised? do the research and realize that sen. Graham went to ancestry.com and discovered a genetic link between former secretary of state Madelein Albright and himself, linking both of them to not only Herr. Goebbels but all the way back to Genghis Khan. Vlad The Impaler war a freakin piker.
Senator Graham: This is your rifle, this is your gun, this is for fighting and this is for fun…!
He and all his peers in the asylum need their a**es kicked and shot to the moon or better mars to never return.
The shame of the nation to be governed by sadistic criminals like the idiots in our government. So true for all big western so-called Democracies like the Germany, the UK, and France.
Politicians Graham, Biden = corrupt and morally bancrupt.
and that is putting it mildly
How low can we sink, such sick psychopaths don’t even bother to hide how evil they are, they are convinced we all are like them. He must be right, people vote for Bast**ds like him without shame.
People who throw stones in glass houses shouldn’t be shocked when it rains shattered glass. This isn’t a threat, it’s an observation on the basics of physics. What comes up will come down.
God forgives. Karma does not.
The concept of karma simply means, “Leave it alone, the universe will always find its balance. Just as a bowl of water, after being disturbed, returns to its own level when left alone.”
Etymological factoid: the Sanskrit word ‘karma’ is cognate with the French word ‘carburetor’. And everyone who has worked on engines knows that ‘carburetor’ means “don’t mess with it”.
They just love their WWII references when rationalizing their sick ideas.
He is a very sick person – the perfect exemplar of our current crop of DC jackoffs.
“Sen. Graham Says ‘No Limit’ on How Many Civilians Israel Can Kill”
Lindsey Graham is an evil lawyer who never served in combat.
His only rival for evil is John McCain who was a Richard Head masquerading as an A$$.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/neocon-regime-change-in-gaza-will-complicate-two-state-solution/
Neocon regime change in Gaza will complicate ‘two-state solution’
Graham is a psycho, but the US government does see limits. NPR last night basically cut through the this side says and that side claims, spelling out in 5 minutes that Israel is knowingly committing war crimes. While the US may not care much about Palestinian lives, we know we will be held accountable for Israel’s actions, which could quite soon put an inconveniently sudden end to our oil fueled comforts. The world will not put up with our indifference for long.
I do not pray but I certainly hope you are right.
Prayer is a wonderful way to calm and center our minds, it’s akin to meditation…
No we won’t. Does anyone remember Cast Lead, Protective Edge? The world will follow our lead and say f*ck the Palestinians. A dispossessed people to be herded to the Sinai desert to die.
Bombing terrorist sis not a war crime. Using civilians as shields is.
But bombing civilians is, killer.
And what would your solution to the pogrom be?
That’s not my problem to fix, but racist violence by one side won’t be fixed by racist violence by another. Gaza is so small and crowded that it would be impossible to separate combatants from civilians even if everyone involved were trying to do so. My problem is that the US will be held accountable for complicity in Israel’s crimes, so the solution is for US to no longer be complicit.
According to him two wrongs make right.
From Politico:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/25/biden-ukraine-aid-messaging-00123466
It’s pretty disgusting how they pick words depending on how they manipulate the voters.
And sure enough, the cuckservative Mitch McConnell used the same propaganda switch in talk shows last week:
Sen Graham ought to be prosecuted for hate speech that calls for action, calls for murder which is actually happening. It is the same as what was said by Radio Rwanda as it drove the genocide of the Tutsis.
Same crime.
He is not a beneficial to any US citizen…! He should go six feet under…!
He is inciting and aiding and abetting in the commission of war crimes.
I don’t understand … it was Hamas’s killing of innocent civilians that was a terrible thing, right? But Israel’s killing of many many more civilians (indeed, no limits) is OK? How can the same act be completely evil when committed by one and totally justified when done by the other?
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Don’t bother asking for any logic from warmongers.
Half of those actually killed by the attackers were IDF. Two Israeli survivors of the attacks have said many Israelis were killed by their own people. IDF soldiers at one site. Apache helicopters at another site.
Indeed, though the facts of 10/7 will be in dispute for years to come, if not forever.
The point is, though, that what’s expressed by the typical Israeli or western “leader” on this issue (and the only acceptable opinion) is that Hamas’s killing of innocents (to whatever number and for whatever purpose) was utterly unacceptable and condemnable.
Ok, so why is it that the same logic does not apply to the IDF: that the killing of many more innocent civilians (for whatever purpose) must be condemned and is unacceptable? I mean, I understand Tom’s Spongebob “magic” below as an explanation; but really, any reporter worth being called that should be asking this question of Blinky, Bidey, and the rest of the evil jokers we have “representing” us.
Israel’s Kristallnacht
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/10/25/israels-kristallnacht/
It should be of no surprise that the biggest cheerleaders for genocide/mass murder have never served or had their hands dirty..at least most of them. Can anyone name one bill, or action that Graham has contributed that has benefitted the American people, or humanity? This kind of human garbage is better off not having any voice, or power since it works against all of Us
He is one of the psychopathic elite we have governing the nation. People who must believe they can talk to us like this and get away with it and we the people will reelect them.
Biden and his neocon garbage think they can get away with mass murder and we will reelect him, they think we are just like them morally bankrupt.
Evil, sick , hypocritical person who claims to follow Jesus.
https://youtu.be/14si4mDQcVM?si=PzSGK1l9OmROMJLu
“Zionism is the weapon of Imperialism”
May Day parade, Soviet Union, 1972
They saw what was happening.
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