Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Sunday rejected the idea of the US calling for a ceasefire in Gaza when confronted with the massive number of child casualties in Israel’s onslaught.
“UNICEF says 1,524 children have been killed in the Gaza Strip during these bombings. Why isn’t the US calling for at least a temporary ceasefire?” Margaret Brennan, the host of CBS News’s “Face the Nation,” asked Blinken.
Blinken claimed that the death of children on both sides hits him “right in the heart” but did not criticize Israel’s vicious bombing campaign. He pointed to US efforts to get Israel to allow aid trucks to enter Gaza through Egypt, and Brennan then asked why the US isn’t pushing for at least a temporary ceasefire.
“Israel has to do everything it can to make sure this doesn’t happen again,” Blinken said, referring to the October 7 Hamas attack. “Freezing things in place where they are now would allow Hamas to remain where it is and to repeat what it’s done some time in the future. No country could accept that,” Blinken said.
Blinken made a similar argument earlier this year when rejecting the idea of a ceasefire in Ukraine ahead of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, saying a pause in fighting would only benefit Russia. Now, it’s clear Ukraine’s counteroffensive has failed after months of brutal fighting and heavy Ukrainian casualties.
During the interview with Brennan, Blinken also claimed it was Hamas’s fault that American citizens in Gaza could not leave despite the fact that the enclave is under Israeli blockade and Egypt has not been letting people enter its territory from its one border crossing with Gaza.
“We’ve had people come to Rafah, the crossing with Egypt. And to date, at least, Hamas has blocked them from leaving, showing once again, its total disregard for civilians of any kind who are — who are stuck in Gaza,” Blinken said. “So really, the ball is in Hamas’ court, in terms of letting people who want to leave, civilians from third countries, including Americans get out of Gaza.”
Despite Blinken’s claim, reports in recent days have said dual citizens were told to go to the Rafah border crossing but were not allowed into Egypt. According to a report from NBC News, there are up to 600 Americans stuck in Gaza, and they say they’re not receiving help from the US to get out. “America’s not helping us, Biden’s not helping us, the embassy is not helping us,” Amir Kaoud, a Palestinian-American at the Rafah crossing, told NBC.
Unfortunately for us, Blinken’s heart is as hard as a rock.
The idea that Biden gives a shit about any race but white is false. If itvwere not he would not have voted for and supported every war fought in Asia and the MidEast.
Blinken is working for plutocrats and oligarchs. The color he cares about is green.
Meanwhile,there are plenty of brown,black,olive and some yellow citizens of of Israel,of various faiths.Can’t say any Jews left in the Arab world, or Pakistan.
Blinken is jewish.
So?
His loyalty is to Israel.
Wait. You don’t mean to claim that being Jewish means being loyal to Israel, do you?
Max Blumenthal tried to explain this point recently with his theory that the majority of the nonreligious Jews in the US might have shifted from “practicing Judaism” to “loyalty to Israel” as their main source of “Jewish identity.”
Key words being “…might have shifted…”
As I recall, in a USA where religiosity has been in decline for several decades (despite the surge in apparent religious nationalists in recent years), Zionists and moderates of the pro-Israel camp have been in a panic over the trend of (roughly) half of younger adherents to Judaism in the US expressing little-to-no “connection” to Israel in any spiritual or emotional sense. To newer generations, the USA is their homeland, regardless of what the elder religious teachers insist.
Let each person,of whatever backround,race,religion,politics economic status-speak for themselves
That is a good policy.
You make an interesting point D51 but, unfortunately, sometimes some clarity is required. I only say this because my husband is Jewish and entirely against Israel’s policies… sometimes he feels guilt by association… Understand?
Maybe his loyalty is to Israel, but “he is Jewish” isn’t an indicator of any such loyalty.
There’s no reason to bring it up then. You can have empathy for other people without being an associated member of a demographic.
There is a point to him saying this.
Yes As I recall, JFK’s Catholicism created quite the stir when he was elected. Willard Romney’s Mormonism was looked at with suspicion.
And (despite being unconstitutional) there are 7 US states that forbid atheists from holding public office…! And our only tenet is, ‘We don’t believe in god(s).’ !!
And you are as well?
He did say that he was going to Israel as a Jew; which at best was a faux pas given his job, nationality and the difficulty of the situation.
At least Henry Kissinger, during negotiations, told the Israelis that he was first and foremost an American
not a Jew.
The funny thing is what they are doing now, guarantees that it will happen again.
Just posted same comment above. Note to self: Read before typing.
Did you copyright it?
Exactly john! Israel is NOT serious about peace, and neither is the USA. They never have been! They are the regional bullies whose actions will ALWAYS lead to some form of human blowback! If Blinken and Co. really were serious about “peace” they would enable a situation to deal with the hardships and injustices that festered the Hamas attacks! No human beings should be expected to live under the thumb of an oppressor/occupier nation like Israel. And occupied people are NOT illegally acting when they fight an occupation. That’s in the world’s “war” playbook, but Israel/USA do NOT care about laws that hold back their agendas of conquest.
Hamas refused to even come to the table-Iran opposed and opposes any sort of peace. “From the river to the sea”-face facts.
What table? And Iran signed an NPT on steroids nuke agreement that the US kiboshed. What sort of peace has the US proposed? Or is 40 years of belligerence, including the “maximum pressure campaign” sanctions, your idea of a peace proposal? And the 40 years was after 26 years of the Shah after the US helped overthrow their democratically elected government in 1953. Are those the facts you are referring to?
Oslo. or Trump proposal-anything that would separate Israelis and displaced Palestinians-reduce negative contacts and hate. but Islamic fanatics want to feed the fire. There-now you can learn.
Hamas refused to come to the table for the Oslo Accords? And I don’t get the other gibberish. Was that a response to the rest of my comment?
Hamas has been offering Israel a 10 year or longer Hudna since 1997. End the siege, evacuate the settlements and Hamas is willing to accept two states for ten years or longer. If Israeli Zionists were wise they would seize this opportunity to deescalate the conflict and work toward a.lasting peace.
https://www.prio.org/publications/7356
“Iran” is not involved; certainly not to the extent the US is. Iran supports HAMAS, just as the US supports Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria and Yemen, and supports the PKK; so both powers support “terrorists”. If you want to condemn Iran, then condemn us too, as we are at least as guilty of fomenting terrorism as Iran is.
The ISSUE, that you refuse to accept, is that since partition was announced, Israel has systematically been stealing palestinian lands, and evicting palestinians, as a matter of policy. Israel took much of what was set aside for Gaza in 1948, forcing many thousands of refugees into the strip; they invaded Gaza again in 1956, but were ordered out by Eisenhower (the LAST time the US stood tall in this conflict); then invaded AGAIN in 1967, and that time they stayed. Now, after decades of forced privation, they are going to try and finish the job of ethnic cleansing of what are Palestinian lands. And, funny, but the press seems to be ignoring that Israel is also taking this opportunity to step up attacks and seizures in the west bank, which had no part of Hamas’ assault.
Here is a link to Al Jazeera Journalist Marc Lamont Hill interviewing former Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon on Israel’s collective punishment of the Palestinian people in Gaza.
Note: he said that if Hamas “comes out and surrenders” things would be restored to as before. Before what? Same old occupation? Same old night raids, shooting kids. Same old blockade? Same old control of every aspect of the lives of the Palestinians? Same old land grab by settlers with weapons? Just like the last 75 years?
Same old rockets whenever things get lonely,same old kidnappings when it suits.
Netanyahu knew exactly what he was doing when he sponsored the demonstrations at Al Aqsa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot
Blinken weeps crocodile tears.
Tel Aviv cannot or will not look in the mirror and even in the slightest admit that SEVEN DECADES of ruthless inhumane treatment of Gazans and West Bankers has led us all to this! I’m quite sure Israelis would feel the same way in a majority! I have great respect for Israelis and I’m sure there are enough who see the futility in what “their” government is doing in Gaza before the whole world! “Vengeance” or even “self-defense” lose all justification when they become infinitely disproportionate.
Israel has not treated the Gazans and West Bankers with dignity or respect. Neither has the Arabs. Having said that I don’t see Palestinians earning Israel respect either. This crazy attack by the Palestinians on Israel is just going to make the situation worst for years to come.
“The Palestinians” didn’t attack Israel. A specific organization did.
Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but almost all Hamas are Palestinians. So the trust level between Israel and Palestinians which is already low, just got even lower.
Although he denied it, the suggestion that the noncombatants in Gaza might be allowed to escape by crossing the border into Israel instead of Egypt provoked a smile from the Israeli deputy foreign minister because, in his mind, it is ludicrous to even suggest such a thing. That smile spoke volumes about the true intentions of Israel.
𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘕𝘦𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘢𝘩𝘶 𝘢𝘥𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘦𝘸𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘗𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘣𝘺 𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘯𝘶𝘮𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘴.
The entire point of the current proposal to allow the Palestinians to flee to Egypt is to seize the land (without compensation, of course). As far as I know, virtually every piece of land outside the original mandate that is now occupied by Israel was taken using some variation of this formula.
What should happen but won’t is the Settlers on Arab land be forced to leave and return to Israel with the displaced Palestinians occupying the illegal settlements back to the 1967 borders..This would be the moral outcome. But Israel and the US being who they are this will never never happen.
There are no “1967 borders.” Those are ceasefire lines. Israel’s borders were set in UNR 181 in 1947.
OK,that would work for me.
Right, although whether those borders were “set” by the UN or merely proposed is a serious question. Does/did the UN have authority to impose the borders of Palestine on the inhabitants without agreement by Palestinians?
It’s easy to understand why people are confused, but the facts here are fundamentally important to the ongoing mess (and now another Nakba).
I almost posted something grumpy telling people to go look at the maps, but I decided it would be better to provide a link, so I looked for an easy-to-decipher one and found this excellent set of graphics from the Beeb, the other day:
Israel’s borders explained in maps
“Does/did the UN have authority to impose the borders of Palestine on the inhabitants without agreement by Palestinians?”
That’s an interesting question, and I don’t think that anyone (including the UN) should be able to impose borders at all.
But given that Palestinians already had about 90% of Palestine (it’s called Jordan) before UNR 181, and got even more of Palestine under UNR 181, it doesn’t seem so much like an “imposition” as an “additional land grant.”
Well, what matters, it seems to me, is what is seemed like to the principals. In this case, one of the principals, the Palestinians, didn’t accept the proposal.
It wasn’t a proposal.
Yes it was. UNGA Resolution 181 was limited to “recommendations” and “requests.”
There are several “recommendations” and “requests” in Part A of UNR 181.
Part B switches to “shalls,” including:
“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special fotemational Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than l October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, tbe Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.”
In March of 1949, the UN Security Council approved Israel’s application for admission to the UN conditional upon its acceptance and implementation of UNR 181,, after which the General Assembly so admitted it.
Israel’s borders were set in UNR 181 and have never at any time since changed.
Those examples of imperative language are in the plan proposed in the resolution, which the GA requested the UNSC to act on. Read it again.
Edit: I just remembered that I could ask ChatGPT about this. For interest and/or amusement, here’s the prompt and response:
And the UNSC did act on it, by requiring Israel to agree with its terms as a condition that their application for UN membership be approved and forwarded to the General Assembly. The UN dictated, and Israel accepted, the borders in UNR 181. And at no time since has Israel asked the UN, nor has the UN offered, to change the deal. Those are the borders. Period.
I don’t think the UN ever dictate or insisted upon agreement and I can’t find any evidence that it did. If you have a reference, please share it.
Here you go.
That’s an interesting piece. It doesn’t specifically say what you have claimed about a UN demand or requiremnt and it characterizes Eban’s comments to the GA about borders this way:
It does suggest that your claim might be correct. I’ll try to dig into it a bit more.
Neither did the Zionists. Did you know that Israel is the only nation in the world that refuses to define what Israel’s boundaries are?
Actually, Israel did effectively accept the borders proposed by the partition plan, although, contrary to some assertions below, the UN didn’t require it.
https://www.gov.il/en/departments/general/declaration-of-establishment-state-of-israel
So; that statement in the link is pretty propagandistic; it declares that the “right of the jews to a homeland” was established by the Balfour Declaration, which, as it was made by a country that did not control palestine at the time it was issued, had zero legitimacy. Also, at the time that statement was made, Israel had already exceeded the borders of the 1947 partition plan by evicting and confiscating land assigned by the UN to the arabs.
Yes. The effective acceptance was performative. Real Israeli policy and behavior was something else.
But Jordan wasn’t part of the UN partition plan for Palestine; that dealt with Palestine on the other side of the river, and the jewish state was initially allotted some 55% of that territory, even though they were only some 30% of the population – and, through military action PRIOR to partition, began increasing that by driving arabs out of their villages.
The UN map of 1947, and a map at partition (before the war, when Israel took eevn more territory) shows the difference.
The nascent state of Israel agreed to “Partition”; but they NEVER agreed to the UN designated borders. Ben Gurion, in his hubris, had a “wish map” of “greater Israel” that included far more territory than Israel even has now; and everything that has happened since 1947 shows Israel “growing” along the lines of that map. That includes the Golan heights, and Shebaa farms in Lebanon. Two more pieces Israel took, and has no intention of ever giving back
“The nascent state of Israel agreed to “Partition”; but they NEVER agreed to the UN designated borders.”
Incorrect. The UN Security Council required their agreement to the terms of UNR 181 as a condition of the UNSC accepting/endorsing their application for UN membership.
So, we get into the weeds. The borders Israel had in 1949 are NOT the borders they were assigned in the partition agreement, which they did NOT agree to; they are substantially increased, from pre war acts of the Haganah and Palmach in expropriating lands assigned to the Arab population, and then further acquisitions made during the Arab-Israeli war. The original partition plan assigned some 55% of Palestine to “Israel”; but by the time they joined the UN they had expanded to 70%.
Yes, the further you go into the weeds, the easier it is to pretend that Israel’s borders are not set in UNR 181.
And once you walk back out of the weeds, Israel’s borders will still be as set in UNR 181.
Israel has never had any borders other than those set in UNR 181.
It was created by the UN with those borders in UNR 181, and it agreed to UNR 181 as a condition of UN membership, and none of that has ever been re-negotiated.
Those. Are. Its. Borders. Period.
Did you look at the map that accompanies the link to UNR 181? And at the borders of Israel in 1948? How do you explain the difference? Note “Jaffa”, and 3/4 of the border between the Negev and Sinai are identified as “Arab portion” in the partition map; they were part of Israel at independence.
The partition map in UNR 181 sets the borders of Israel. Israel agreed to that as a condition of their UN membership application being accepted. The land outside those borders that they were in occupation of is land they were in occupation of, not land inside their borders.
The State of Israel as declared at independence differs markedly from the UN partition map; so I’m not understanding your point.
see here :https://trentonjewishhistoricalsociety.blogspot.com/2017/05/declaration-of-israels-sovereignty-may.html
Those additional lands have been considered “Israeli” by the Israelis, since 1948 and not “occupied”.
Their borders were set in UNR 181, to which they agreed as a condition of UN membership, and which has never since been amended to change those borders.
I can “consider” your house to be mine all day long, but everyone else is more likely to defer to your title than to my “consideration.”
No One other than the Palestinians is deferring to their “title” to the lands seized in 1948, and the world, including the US, absolutely “considers” Israel’s borders to include everything they took in 1948; so there’s that.
I think we’re talking past each other. No map of Israel, anywhere, since 1948 shows the expanded territory as anything other than “Israel”, not occupied. That includes Jaffa, the northern Negev, Tiberias and the Gallilee, and the Pac-Man sized bite into the west bank. But whatever; the point is Israel did not, in 1947, accept the borders created by the UN; sizably increased the territory allotted before partition through violent occupation, then increased it again after independence, and has kept those lands since as part of “Israel”.
“Israel did not, in 1947, accept the borders created by the UN”
It accepted them in 1949 as a condition of admission to the UN.
you keep saying that; but the land held in 1949 was much more than the land assigned in the UN resolution; see the link I showed you for the differences; the UN didn;t insist Israel give it back, and the world has accepted that as Israel’s boundaries ever since. So clearly there was no real acceptance of the 1947 boundaries, no matter how many times you claim there was. The map doesn’t lie.
There is an important map missing. Between 1950 and 1967 the West Bank was part of Jordan. Jordan annexed the West Bank in 1950. Go look at a map of region from say 1960. Jordan had no interested or intentions of setting up a Palestinian nation. They were happy to keep the land. Then on 10:00 am on 5 June, 1967 Jordan fired on Tel Aviv with long range guns, and as they say, the rest is history.
Well . . . sort of. Jordan had control over the West Bank and during the period you cite claimed sovereignty, but the only countries that recognized its sovereignty were the UK and Pakistan. If you can find a map showing the West Bank as part of Jordan during that period, published by an authority other than one from one of those three nations, I’d like to see it.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fisrael-and-jordan-1960-map-from-dutch-encyclopedia-v0-4wrj9xwcosx91.jpg%3Fs%3D2bbab4fca3320c31eb497e2f3d221cdedc6a170b
The point is that Jordan tock over the West Bank during the 1948 war, gave Citizenship to the residents and most likely would have kept it if not for 1967 war.
True, but Israel never adhered to those borders, taking every opportunity to expand their zone of control before partition, and then again after partition in the Arab-Israeli war. Although why, in the face of foreign invasion from OUTSIDE Palestine, Israel felt justified in taking additional land INSIDE Palestine is a bit of a puzzlement.
But a comparison of the 1947 UN map, and the map after the 1948 war, is pretty interesting. There was ZERO international approval for the difference.
All those land seizures are legal under Israeli law (Some of their lawyers study at elite US universities and helped overthrow Brazilian democracy using lawfare).
I’m sure Israeli law is very good for Israelis. But stealing is stealing. And, as I understand it, the UN doesn’t recognize Israel’s right to occupy the West Bank.
A secular single state with liberty and justice for all will yield peace. The religious state idea is old-fashioned and has sadly interfered with domestic peace.
Convene a permanent central constituent assembly. Seek advice from experienced people organized the constituent assembly in Chile.
Ceasefire. Negotiate. Get modern; convene a constituent assembly. Make a new unified nation with liberty and justice for all.
No one wants Gaza,neither Egypt or Israel.Let Egypt grant Gazans citizenship.
Honestly, if I were PM in Canada, I’d see if there was a large tract of land here we could let the Palestinians have – bigger even than their pre-1948 holdings.
No one wants to give up ancestral homeland but I’d welcome 3 million new neighbours inside our safe borders.
American crusade against Christianity and Islam will go non-stop until the ultimate defeat of US empire.
Or until mankind is mostly dead.
Mostly but not all. Some clever people in China took care about that.
Ah yes, TikTok. Bet Ke$ha has already spent the money she got for the rights to the name.
Perhaps I hope that Russia and China + Brics can save the world from where I fear we are headed.
“American crusade against Christianity…”
Was that a typoe ? Because to suggest the USA is against Christianity is to suggest the automotive industry is ‘crusading against’ petroleum.
He defines Christianity very narrowly per the tenets of his preferred sect and his preferred politics.
Ahhhh… Indeed, there are (more’n) a few that lean hard into the Persecution Complex, despite the evidence to the contrary.
His Jesus was an intolerant asshole.
I hope the day will come when blasphemous stinking assholes like you are exterminated.
It won’t.
Why don’t you tell us how you really feel?
Thank you for proving my point. Go in peace my son. Or go fuck yourself.
Poor choice then. There are so many more popular Jesusii to choose from.
There’s popular Little Baby Jesus (thanks Ricky Bobby !); Obi-Wan Kenobi Jesus; and in the Top 5, definitely Zero-Carbs Mormon Jesus.
My choice (as an atheist) is Historically Accurate Itinerant Apocalyptic Preacher Yeshuah.
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/jesus-face-forensic-anthropology-art-392823
Mammon (US oligarchy) is driving humankind to an apocalypse, not Christian Church.
Now, Mikhail-to-the-chief, how exactly does a species (Mammuthus primigenius, the Wooly Mammoth) what went extinct at LEAST 4,000 years ago (most around 10-14k years ago) have ANY ability to drive humans to ‘an apocalypse’ ???
Don’t forget the Church of the Subgenius’ Fighting Jesus
https://subgenius.fandom.com/wiki/The_Fightin%27_Jesus
A scrapper ! I like his style.
The puppet regime of US oligarchy in Kiev, at the moment, is busy with destroying Ukrainian Christian Orthodox Church. Nazi and LGBT parades in Kiev became normal after 2014 coup. In most of other European states, pro-Palestinian demonstrations are forbidden, only pro-Israel ones are allowed and encouraged. In US itself, anti-Christian culture and anti-Christian organizations are dominating everywhere. The oligarchy (Mammon) and Christianity are incompatible. As the rule of the oligarchy is developing more totalitarian, Christianity is replaced by anti-Christianity. That is why US became the major danger for the humankind.
“…is busy with destroying Ukrainian Christian Orthodox Church.”
Yes, from a place of anti-Russian racism. Not from ecclesiastical infighting.
“Nazi and LGBT parades in Kiev became normal after 2014 coup.”
BOTH ? Wow, I hope they planned their parade route to avoid contact. Neither one likes the other. At all.
“In US itself, anti-Christian culture and anti-Christian organizations are dominating everywhere.”
HAAAAA HA HA HA HA ! Now, I’ve been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and somehow THAT’S the silliest thing I ever read on the Internet.
For sake of discussion, I will find a way to take you seriously from here on out. But I warn; after a delusional, wildly ignorant statement like that, it’ll challenge the sanity of your goodly Uncle here.
“…Christianity is replaced by anti-Christianity.”
By that do you mean, Christianity is “replaced” by secularism or plurality (all religions and Nones having an equal seat at the table); or do you mean a false Christianity (or do I repeat myself) is supplanting The Real ™ Christianity ?
The US needs to get its a— in gear and get these people home, safely and securely as possible.
I called the White House to thank the President for his efforts.
I remember when Madeline Albright said the death of half a million Iraqi children was worth it. We all thanked her profusely right?
There are 2.3 million Palestinians in an open air jail in Gaza. It could be argued that these 2.3 million hostages have organised an escape and captured their jailors. Who really are the terrorists here?
I know you dont want to hear it but 2.3 million hostages doesn’t warrant a call to the White House? You know to get them home too, to the country formerly known as Palestine,
The collective punishment of Bombing 2.3 million subhuman hostages wont get a few US exceptional people home. All it will do is ensure the taking of more jailors (not hostages).
My reply to Donna has disappeared before my eyes. So I will tell the same to you. There are 5192 Palestinians in jails, many being children. Detained. Grabbed off the street on their way home from school. Harassed. Why not an exchange of the prisoners for the hostages?
Because Israel is not about to release 5192 freedom fighters who have a first person account with conditions in the prisons of Israel.
Those Palestinian prisoners are in training.
I would feel better if they had more powerful weapons to make Israel bleed.
so you like to see people that you don’t like bleed.
No only killers,murderers and morons like you.
Lol. Death to Israel and America!!
Go ahead, chant it.
Sounds OK with me,now we need to get them some real weapons like missiles and guns.
Israel is occupying the country Palestine. This means that Israel is already in an offensive stance. Stating that Israel has the right to defend itself is beyond criminal. Defend itself from who? From the people they have illegally imprisoned, thats who. The occupied people have the right to defend themselves not the occupier.
Not according to the US and Israel.
They are destined to live together or die together.Palestine was the name under roman rule.
Israel is Palestine.
The quality of life in Gaza is probably comparable to the quality of life in Germany and Poland with millions herded and dying in the camps. The only difference I can see is the Nazis killed them quickly while Israel prefers to drag out thge process.
Only the Camp victims did not attack Germany-it was vice versa.
It wont accomplish very much,but no nation can lie down when it is invaded and its citizens butchered.
Donna, you are as sweet as the day is long, but Biden is full of shit.
How come you’re saying that, when the daylight is getting shorter in the Northern Hemisphere?
Lol. A day is still 24 hours sun up or down.
I have to agree ED but…I have other things to say as well. I don’t want to give one more dime to Israel. They need to take their begging bowl to another source.
Fox News telecast College and pro football games, are having the announcers make a pitch for donations to Israel? Can you believe it? As if we don’t already “give” too much $$ to them, via the government.
Entirely a valid point… I think the US needs to rethink its support for Israel, and most certainly the copious amount of monies we ‘gift’ them with. I personally don’t care to spend one more dime in any effort to support Israel.
The US is not going to change a fucking thing either in the MidEast or in our own country
“Blinken Rejects Idea of Gaza Ceasefire Despite Massive Child Casualties”
Hope Beta Boy Blinken suffers a painful burning demise!
“Israel has to do everything it can to make sure this doesn’t happen again.”
First, it will have to sop doing everything it can to make sure it does happen again.
Bibi, Biden, and Blinken should all be made to shelter under their own bombing attacks.
They’ll change their tune when the body bags start coming back.
Or maybe, they’ll do a “ Hey, Putin, hold my beer” moment and double their casualties to half a million. 🤷🏽♂️
You know, annexing land is very profitable business.
I mean, If you haven’t changed your “tune” after seeing so many Russians dying for their people and historical land, why would Israel?
Because it isn’t really their land and they know it.
Anyone born in Palestine?Israel belongs there.
That’s up to the Palestinians.. Like it used to be to the Americans.
Israel belongs
An racist apartheid state belongs nowhere… Off the map with you now.
So what constitute “their land”?
Agreements, ethnicity, wars, religion, history, occupation, annexation?
Oh, on history, how far back do you go?
Is Kaliningrad part of Russia?
All I know is what doesn’t constitute their land and that’s Palestine.
NO justice for baby-raping murderers,
NO ceasefire!
Is that the new meme going viral to describe the zionists?
Does it include most of the members in Biden administration with exclusive mono loyalty?
But Israel murdering babies in Gaza can continue on.
The only babies getting murdered in Gaza are those Hamas hides behind.
What’s humorous is that, even if true, you think that exonerates Israel from killing those babies.
The IDF can’t do any more than warn civilians away,
interesting that you exonerate Hamas from responsibility for using them for shields. Cheerleading for Hamas.
They have a choice as to whether to drop bombs on babies. They choose to drop bombs on babies.
Nothing I said suggests that I exonerate Hamas. I blame Hamas for what Hamas does and I blame Israel for what Israel does. Try it sometime. You’re just making up shit because you’ve got nothing else.
What, if anything, should happen to the perpetrators of the slaughter that initiated all of this misery? Here is your chance to prove you are not a Hamas cheerleader.
Those perpetrators are long dead — all of this misery goes AT LEAST back to 13-15 centuries before Christ.
1. You don’t know that.
2. Their leadership still exists and must be prosecuted.
3. Hamas, as an organization, must be dissolved or all we are doing is setting up the next calamity.
4. Without demanding all those, war is guaranteed, and a ceasefire is out of the question.
They should be brought to justice. Why on earth would I back some extreme Islamic group and when did I even imply that I do? You’re trying to justify the killing of children as a way of bringing them to justice and I’m not. Nothing more than that. I don’t want people to die on either side. Same with Ukraine/Russia war contrary to what the former Putin fanboy, Don Julio, said.
You are not going anywhere with this guy. Wasting your time.
He supports the Russia invasion and annexation of Ukraine. Not once has it ever b!tched about Russians killing babies in Ukraine. And if, he’ll always blame it on the US.
He is just anti US and pro Western adversaries.
You are his target now.
Thanks Don, you are so correct, except he is MY target.
Have at it then. 👍
As Don said, have at it then.
Every post.
I’m tired of your fucking lies. I’ll be back with your quotes. Now, go and get quotes from me that support your bullshit.
Another day of human carnage, what can we do?
Man seems fated to his own demise………………….
It will end when the members of Hamas are turned over to the Hague.
And those murdered babies in Gaza will be excused. Got it.
POS
https://www.aaronmate.net/p/the-roots-of-israels-ethnic-cleansing
In 1956, General Moshe Dayan, one of Israel’s most famed military killers, said this, at a funeral held for an Israeli soldier killed by a Palestinian:
Surprising honesty. But he didn’t condemn this, he advocated it:
In 1967 he confirmed:
https://www.aaronmate.net/p/the-roots-of-israels-ethnic-cleansing
In 1956, General Moshe Dayan, one of Israel’s most famed military killers, said this, at a funeral held for an Israeli soldier killed by a Palestinian:
Surprising honesty. But he didn’t condemn this, he advocated it:
In 1967 he confirmed:
Russia Announces New Evacuation Cease-fires for Besieged Ukrainian Cities
https://www.voanews.com/amp/russia-announces-new-evacuation-cease-fires-for-besieged-ukrainian-cities-/6476508.html
I hope Karma destroys this bastard’s life.
“Our correspondent explained that among the points of disagreement was the Western delegations’ refusal to demand a ceasefire or hold “Israel” responsible for “civilian deaths” across the Gaza Strip.
Moreover, the correspondent added that Western delegations also rejected the call to permanently open the Rafah border crossing.
There were also reports of efforts made by Western delegations to make sure that no final statement is issued in the first place by the Summit.”
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/cairo-summit-final-statement-stalled-amid-arab-western-dispu
Delegates from the west have agreed to carrying on of the slaughter .
Yes, The West, led by a Washington led by Neocons, has explicitly endorsed all-out war against Islam. Thence the nuclear danger from these same types. N.B. how differently Russia carries on its Special Military Operation.
I am very concerned about whose fingers are on the Nuclear button. If itbis Biden I am going to start drinking for our days are numbered. There is no confusion as to what kind of numbskull is running this country into the ground.
Bilnken is convinced by Herzog or he must have told Herzog to help him .
From Middle East Eye——Chemical weapons manual’ shown by Israeli president is biography of a bomber
It contains no chemical or biological information.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-chemical-weapons-manual-biography-bomber
Didnt England do same in the run up to the Iraqi war?
The way the media is complicit in “confirming” lies, Howdy Goody could have written this book and passed it off as Hamas literature. Besides, we are all seeing the manifestation of Israel’s military playbook right before our eyes in Gaza. Kill, kill, kill regardless of the long-standing threats to Israel’s own citizens that these murderous rampages provoke!
Don’t know if the moderator will post the reply I put on earlier, but let’s just say look at who holds the reins of power in practically all of the major institutions in the U.S., and you can easily figure out why sympathies tend to go one way.
Yes, it is a real question where their loyalty lies.
The US political class holds the reins of power in all of the major institutions in the US. I’m not going to approve guidelines-violating posts claiming otherwise.
Thomas excuse me, I fully agree with your first sentence, there is nothing to debate about, it is a fact.
But one could debate if that is a good thing or not, and if there are big issues related to that like questioning the individuals of the political class and how democratic is it?
Would questioning that violate the guidelines or the rights of free speech?
I am glad I am not a moderator, I am free to irritate the moderator.
No, questioning the political class, or the individuals who belong to it, do not violate the site’s guidelines. Trying to blame the political class’s actions on one ethnic group does. There are no ethnic groups of significant size that are unanimous on all big questions. In the Rwandan genocide, some Hutus murdered Tutsis, other Hutus tried to protect Tutsis, and some of those latter Hutus were murdered by other Hutus over it. Among Tutsis, some fought back, while some tried to flee, and among those who fought back there were almost atrocities committed by them as well.
And if the Rwandan genocide was a constant and contentious topic of conversation here, the words “Tutsi” and “Hutu” would probably end up in our “have a moderator take a look at that first to make sure the entire group isn’t being slurred, etc.” filters.
Thanks, well done.
exactly, and there were Black slaveholders in the Confederate States, and there was an institution in Africa called slavery, where the nation of Benin sold their captives to the Europeans.
Either naive or bought. The political class is at best a tertiary power.
Yes, and a large percentage of those who hold positions of power are Jewish. Just a fact, and in my opinion influences Government actions.
I tend to judge people by the content of their character, not by their ethnic or religious background. And lots of Jews oppose Israeli police and even the existence of Israel.
So do most people, including I suspect, most here if not all here. The problem is that we have become afraid of our own shadows when it comes to conversation. We have neutered ourselves to the extent that in not too long, we will become numb when it comes to dialog.
Political correctness is a disease that smothers meaningful conversation.
Word choice has become more important than grammar and contemplation.
You hit the nail on the head.
I tend to judge people by the content of their character, not by their ethnic or religious background. And lots of Jews oppose Israeli police and even the existence of Israel.
I tend to judge people by the content of their character, not by their ethnic or religious background. And lots of Jews oppose Israeli police and even the existence of Israel.
especially in the media and law
You have any data to back that up?
Who also seem to be somewhat biased towards a Jewish cause. Just an observation, are you Jewish?
According to DNA testing, I have some small level (1-2%) of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. I do not (nor, so far as I know, does anyone in my nearby family) identify as ethnically or religiously Jewish.
I’m not sure what “Jewish cause” you think I’m “biased towards.” As an anarchist, I oppose the existence of states (including Israel). Within the context of states existing whether I support or oppose them, I’m not especially “pro-Israel.” At a bare minimum, I’d want to see it get back inside its borders (as defined in UNR 181) and stop occupying territory outside those borders.
Well, in that regard I stand corrected. My perceptions may in fact, be in error.
“As an anarchist, I oppose the existence of states “. Well that is interesting, what would you replace them with?
Why do I have to “replace” an inherently bad idea? If I find a rattlesnake in my living room, I get rid of it and I don’t replace it with a cobra or a pack of hyenas.
Simple, despite all the bad “states” do how would you have functioning modern society without them? For example, Who would make and enforce laws with out “states”?
And if the rattlesnake bites you how do you get medical help without the involvement of a state?
Correct me if I am wrong, to be Jewish is the religious attribute, it is not a DNA thing. Culturally German Jews and Ashkenazi Jews were, are very different. Russian Jews were closer to German, European Jews. But let us not split hair.
“Judiasm” is a religion. “Jewish” is an ancestral/ethnic group. Many of the latter ancestral/ethnic group do not practice the former religion.
Thanks, I was unaware of the distinction.
One could say religion is subject to evolution too.
Absolutely!
Most American Jews I’ve known well have been very pro-Palestinian and either opposed to Israeli policy or opposed to the existence of Israel. The two main ones I’m thinking of were both the children of (different couples) Holocaust survivors who came to the US right after World War 2 and never saw any reason to move to the Middle East.
I experienced the same, the children of Holocaust survivors are the least supportive of Likud, they truly believe in “never again”. Norman Finkelstein is one of them.
“Judiasm” is a religion. “Jewish” is an ancestral/ethnic group. Many of the latter ancestral/ethnic group do not practice the former religion.
“Judiasm” is a religion. “Jewish” is an ancestral/ethnic group. Many of the latter ancestral/ethnic group do not practice the former religion.
White Protestant Americans!
Mostly, with a very disproportionate percentage of Jewish Americans.
As moderator: The claim that some particular number of people of this or that ethnic group in this or that position is “disproportionate” violates this site’s rule against “slurs or supremacist claims based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, disability, sex, sexual orientation or gender identity.”
As commenter: It’s also fucking stupid to pretend that a facially “democratic” system produces “anti-democratic” outcomes for no other reason than that it selects more members of an ethnic group than you consider “proportionate.”
“As moderator: The claim that some particular number of people of this or that ethnic group in this or that position is “disproportionate” violates this site’s rule against “slurs or supremacist claims based on race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, disability, sex, sexual orientation or gender identity.””
would you mind sharing the logic or reasoning behind your claim? according to your rule, saying that a disproportionate number of people who win marathons are kenyan would be something that you consider verboten and something that other people are not allowed to talk about. can you explain why do you think this way? I guess that would be considered a “Kenyan supremacist” claim even though it’s just a simple description of reality?
as for the second part of your post:
“As commenter: It’s also fucking stupid to pretend that a facially “democratic” system produces “anti-democratic” outcomes for no other reason than that it selects more members of an ethnic group than you consider “proportionate.””
i’m not sure what you were trying to say with this but it almost seems like you are having a mental breakdown. can you repeat that again but in english this time?
“according to your rule, saying that a disproportionate number of people
who win marathons are kenyan would be something that you consider
verboten and something that other people are not allowed to talk about.”
No it wouldn’t and I doubt that you really believe it would.
The context of the guideline is entirely clear, even obvious. The “disproportionate” claim Knapp refers to is one with transparent (or nearly so) subtext: that the disproportion is due to ethnicity. No one imagines that Kenyans are being awarded marathon victories more often than Italians because ethnic Kenyans secretly control track and field competition.
Do better.
Teaching you to read English and/or think critically is not part of my job description.
Facts are facts but the context defines the use of the facts and that is what counts, and since a computer is really a calculator machine that is where the moderator comes in, at least that is my opinion, context is really what counts.
“The claim that some particular number of people of this or that ethnic group in this or that position is “disproportionate” violates this site’s rule against “slurs or supremacist claims based on…”
I understand the rules, but they are stupefyingly childish constraints.
We have been evolving, and continue to evolve, into a toothless crowd of politically correct puppets whose skin is paper thin.
That is especially true for the state department and the media.
Myths.
Your opinion. There is also the streak of eastern European cultures effecting a group of neocon people. There is the Kagan clan, a family clique. The PNAC people were heavily influenced by Slavic European related cultures. Some years back the Anglo-Saxons were highly influential.
[ethnic slur deleted by moderator – TLK]
Because we happen to have a slightly larger proportion of very smart people, and tend to be more interested in politics. There is no cabal to control the US.
And that’s a problem.
Noticing the moderator seems to be a bit biased about the kind of comments he allows. Might be time for me to leave.
As a moderator, I enforce the site’s guidelines, not my own biases.
I am not so sure you know your own bias. I think you are leaning more to the Israeli side. Nothing wrong with that, it is your right, and it is not like Don’s obsessive side.
I support the Palestinian people, no doubt about it.
Well, I do know my own bias — and if comment moderation ran on my bias, it would look a lot different. But it doesn’t run on my bias, it runs on the site’s rules.
Here’s some of my bias, btw.
Thomas I do not want to offend you in any way, you are entitled to your bias, I have my bias, we all have our bias shaped by our backgrounds.
Life would be boring without different opinions and biases.
I just posted a clear explanation re Sharon’s actual intentions which casts absolutely no aspersions against people of the J******** state.
It went immediately into your sheiss hopper.
Screw “Anti-War”
Don’t bother to answer. I decided it’s only fair to block you, Thomas.
Blocking a moderator does no good. As a moderator he sees your comments and he can respond. Meanwhile, you can’t see his responses so you have no counter response.
I realize Thomas can see my comments.
Some people don’t know that.
What is stopping you? If you want to leave, that is your right.
Bill, it is give and take, you are not that touchy. You can handle it.
Do you honestly think the (probably less than) 1% of Jews who are in media represent the interests of all Jews? No, they represent the interests of the 1%. Just like all the other non-Jewish people in media. Are you, like the moronic Nazi scum of the early 20th century, going to fall for the same scapegoating trick played back then? Who the enemy is should be clear to anyone paying attention and reading history, and they are not an ethnic group but a class of people.
Not so much the Jewish people themselves but the Zionists who pepper the Israeli and U.S. Governments. There, I set your mind at ease.
Zionism is a political opinion, not a race, ethnicity, etc. And most Zionists aren’t Jewish.
As it was defined here, “Zionism, Jewish nationalist movement that has had as its goal the creation and support of a Jewish national state in Palestine, the ancient homeland of the Jews (Hebrew: Eretz Yisraʾel, “the Land of Israel”). Though Zionism originated in eastern and central Europe in the latter part of the 19th century, it is in many ways a continuation of the ancient attachment of the Jews and of the Jewish religion to the historical region of Palestine, where one of the hills of ancient Jerusalem was called Zion”. It now seems to have morphed into a ‘Greater Israel’ concept at the expense of the Palestinians.
Zionism started off as an almost entirely Jewish movement.
These days, it has more American evangelical Christian supporters than there are Jews in the world.
There are certainily many among that group.
Zionism started off as an almost entirely Jewish movement.
These days, it has more American evangelical Christian supporters than there are Jews in the world.
Zionism started off as an almost entirely Jewish movement.
These days, it has more American evangelical Christian supporters than there are Jews in the world.
Leave and join Hamas while gone too. 🤣
But better fit to join the “mighty” red.
Look who crawled out from under his slimy rock. Back from the front lines in Ukraine Julio? Just wondering how many chicken bones you had to tie around your ankles to get the dog to take a picture with you?
Im a dog lover and surely not a phony so not hard to gain their trust.
Im sure they stay clear of you for sure 🤣
Nah, I get along with all pets, and fortunately for someone such as yourself dogs don’t discriminate when it comes to human imbeciles.
Bill you don’t feed chicken bones to dogs. Bad idea.
“It’s either heads or tails, rabbit. Now pick a dadburn side.”
Yosemite Sam or Antony Blinken?
“Israel has to do everything it can to make sure this doesn’t happen again,” Blinken said, referring to the October 7 Hamas attack. “Freezing things in place where they are now would allow Hamas to remain where it is and to repeat what it’s done some time in the future. No country could accept that,” Blinken said.
In other words, he doesn’t give two fucks if children die in Gaza.
Blinken makes TS Eliot’s spiritual scarecrows look like saints. He’s a robot – that’s all he is.
Blinken and Bibi should forget the Hamas invasion that killed 1,400 humans and took 200 hostages, in the name of peace and do the same each time it happens.
Or they could not engage in collective punishment. What about your hobby horse? Should the Russians just forgotten about the Russians being murdered in Ukraine by the Banderites in Kiev? The solution to both situations is a cease fire followed by negotiations towards a lasting peace.
You are a neocon fascist POS so you are all for more war, more money spent on weapons, and more death and suffering. There is a day coming soon when we will no longer hear the shrill cries of neocon scum bellowing for more war and more war spending. Good riddance to bad rubbish is what I will say when that glorious day comes.
Lol You sound just like Medvedev.
Hey, that day you are longing for, will never come. Not to you, commies.
Suck it, loser.
Not a commie, just not a fascist POS like yourself. There are hard constraints on how much longer the American Empire can keep on and the end is quickly approaching. The Republic will be renewed and the scum like yourself will be dealt with according to the rule of law you deny the rest of the world.
The hegemon is decaying, the neocons will flush the rest down the toilet.
Ok, Commie.
For a neocon like you anyone who isn’t prowar bomb’em back to the stoneage is a “commie.” Intellectual lightweights such as yourself debase the language to such an extent that the word has no meaning. Similar with your use of the word “tankie.”
You are very wrong, Both words have meaning and you fit them both perfectly.
Now go google shirtless pics of your boy Putin. You seem a bit stressed.
How so? How am I a communist and how am I a tankie pray tell.
So no? You can’t explain how what you know of my worldview, from my limited comments here, make me a communist? Typical Neocon scum.
“T****e” is considered a racial slur by some, myself included. It has not been used at me so I have not previously engaged on it. Just wanted to point the fact out.
I apologize, how is it racial?
Oh, you needn’t apologize. Unless hurled at me I don’t take any real slight of it.
It’s racist in the way ‘kraut’ was or many euphemistic allusions to Mexican dietary or immigration practices are. The Word In Question being, of course, slurs at Russians or Russiophiles of any degree.
First time I’ve ever heard anyone assert a racial component to the term “tankie.” It was originally ideological, not racial, ethnic, etc. It referred to socialist/communist supporters of the Soviet Union who applauded the Soviet imperialist invasions of e.g. Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
It’s probably not common; but also not a major sticking-point. I’ll oppose it strenuously if hurled at me or associates, but I’m not about to demand it stricken from the common slang when used by others at others. Just that my preference is, we try to not insult each other (here, or IRL).
Jeez, accuse him of being a Whig or a Hun while you’re dredging historical insults.
“Commies”, Donald ? What YEAR is it for you ?
And you know nothing about Medvedev at all.
The socialist, communist philosophy is very humanistic, but people like you don’t understand that. They are not big enough to understand humanistic standards the philosophy sets.
Industrialized nations build a working middle class influenced by communistic ideals, but you would not know it.
I just hope that justice prevails and karma applies for morons.
Why do you hate the Palestinians so? You, of all people should understand the Hamas hatred for Israelis. The Hamas people would not be human if they did not hate the Israelis after almost a century of extreme brutality against the Palestinians.
The bombing of civilians in Gaza, the killing of 100 children a day, the blocking of water, food, and energy and medical supply and the incarceration of thousands of young Palestinians, all adds up and can only fan more hate and anti-Semitism, the only natural human response possible, and that is true of the whole global Islamic population.
Yes, and people like you will be outraged because they dare to hate the Israelis regardless of their religion.
You are wasting your time and energy responding to this jerk. Nothing except shit goes in and out.
You are right, but you know I can’t help it.
I helped it quite well by blocking his ass.
I know it is difficult not to reply to the ravings of a nut job.
I support the peaceful Palestinians that want to co exist with Israel the same way i support Ukraine but just when the world was gaining more support for their cause, Hamas comes out with a horrible act that you people here are pretending it didn’t happen or that it wasn’t that bad or that because Israel has done many bad things to them in the past, it is ok.
The same folks that support Russia’s war in ukraine, are here overlooking what Hamas did and instead going after the West as usual.
BTW, i dont give a flying fuk about Israel and I hate their religion the same way i hate the other BS ones.
The only thing i want is for the two groups to co exist like their very BS religious books claim they should.
We know it happened, but we also know why it happened.
Pay good attention I will tell you.
The Israelis are brutal occupiers, they do all they can to make life miserable for the Palestinian people. Gaza is the biggest concentration camp, the Israelis block any economic development, food, water ,energy and medical supplies you name it. Slow motion genocide, including young traumatized suicidal children, every humiliation the Israelis can think of, the daily terrorization of parents in front of their children, savage killing and disabling of peaceful demonstrators, all and more war crimes committed against unarmed civilians. The young Hamas fighters hate the Israelis for what they did to their parents and to them, they have every reason to hate the Israelis.
I consider myself to be a secular humanist, but I do respect other people’s religious believes as long as they respect other peoples convictions. The problem are the people who misuse religion, for politics and business purposes, taking advantage of religious fanatics and truly blind believers.
BTW, any influential Israeli supporting a one or two state solution could end up like PM Rabin, he and others have been assassinated. I think the one state solution would have been ideal, but after decades of brutal occupation it is impossible.
Of course he did, because he is fascist scum. Did anyone ever doubt this would be the case after the response to Ukraine?
So Blinken will be offered a top job on the board of Lockheed Martin after his term is over? Good for him! He’s gonna be rich b!tch!
Blinken has already been inducted into the Trilateral Commission.
Why am I afraid to ask what that is?
they are blue bloods partially responsible for the wars we start.
Are you referring the CFR?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Meeting
No American citizen’s allegiance can be trusted when they have also committed allegiance to another nation
Dual citizenship must be immediately illegalized. All current dual citizens must have their American citizenship revoked, and then be deport to their existing country of citizenship.
Better yet, just get rid of “citizenship” altogether. All it amounts to is a claim that you’re a particular rancher’s livestock.
Indeed. Government is the ultimate scam.
“Committed allegiance” might be a bit of a stretch. I think most people just ‘go thru the motions’ to get residency or open employment doors. Friends’ kids are dual Canadian-German (kids both & live in Canada) just for the sake of future work, travel, schooling in Germany or the EU if they want.
They’re as sworn to a country as they are aware of details in EULA’s to which they click “I Agree” when downloading an app.
Dual USA/Israel citizen are by far, seriously committed to Israel, with a sickening fervor.
I know many, and they can’t say kibbutz without visible sexual arousal.
“I know many”
Highly unlikely.
“Many” is subjective. I know many. Very many.
The US supported Britain in WWI because many of the US ruling class were of Britiish/Scotch descent.
Britain promised the Zionists the Balfour declaration in exchange for their influence in bringing in American troops to save their asses from the impending defeat.
Wilson was sweet talked into committing the US to a purely European war, by a trusted Jewish advisor.
Wilson had coerced by the same advisor for the benefit of the same people. In 1913 Wilson allowed a central bank to be created, and at the same time, created an income tax and the IRS to be the enforcers.
I don’t believe in dual citizenship. Pick a country. The current dual citizens should choose. It is not fair to revoked citizenship to the USA just because a person has dual citizenship. But asking them to choose is fair.
I wanted what citizenship Edward Snowden would pick? Russian or American?
If dual citizenship is about loyalty, then the effect of banning it is to encourage people to hide, rather than openly display, their loyalties.
FJB and his evil Beta Boy Blinken along with CB Victoria Nuland.
Biden can’t support a cease fire or de-escalation he and the neocons are beholden to the MIC, interfering with ceasefire and de-escalation would cut into profits, the contract with the government does not permit that, it would also reduce the commissions for our elected officials. /s? pretty close to the facts, I think.
By jove,I believe you are on to something.
Oil is the glue that holds the uni-party together.
yes indeedy
One has to also consider the petrodollar, which is being (barely) propped up by the Saudis. As Jello Biafra once sang, “America wants fuel, to get it, it needs puppets”. So Biden also can’t risk getting US oil companies kicked out of West Asia.
The man has no heart, no sense of integrity and simple humility. That is why he does not understand the consequences of the Israeli brutalities against the Palestinians spanning a century. The man has no soul and no brain, no character he is not a Mensch with a sense of humanity. He is just scum.
It is clear that the Biden Administration wants to find a final solution to the Hamas problem.
Blinken is clearly not representing America’s best interests.
Does anyone even know what those are anymore? It’s been well over a hundred years since anyone in Mordor-on-the-Potomac considered America’s best interests: not going abroad in search of monsters to destroy, a friend to freedom everywhere but the protector of only her own.
How can anybody not see the insanity of having an Israeli running America’s foreign policy?
Horse shit.
Wash. gets AIPAC and other Zionist lobby money, and that’s the reason Wash. is so deep into the Zionist’s backside. It’s all about MONEY; Marx was right about that one.
Karl, or Groucho ??
;-)….
Is he speaking as Israel’s foreign minister or the US secretary of state? Or is as an Israeli spokesman official?
THIS ARTICLE EXPLAINS HOW BIASED THE MEDIA IS IN FAVOR OF THE ISRAEL SIDE OF THE CONFLICT.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/21/israeli-attack-axis-gaza-dresden/
AP erases Israeli pledge to attack Gaza like ‘Axis Power’ as officials threaten Palestinians with ‘Dresden’ doctrine.
As Israeli officials proudly compare their bombardment of the
Gaza Strip to the Allied firebombing of Dresden, the Associated Press
has quietly removed a section noting US alarm over the historical
comparison.
The Associated Press has quietly
deleted a reference to official Israeli threats to subject the Gaza
Strip to a Dresden-style firebombing campaign — the latest move in
legacy media outlets’ ongoing push to downplay the impacts of Tel Aviv’s
siege of over two million Palestinians.
After reading the Stockman article, can anybody here say why it’s the business of the American people to get involved both financially and militarily with a conflict that hasn’t ever, or ever will be resolved, way around the world and doesn’t affect the American people’s security in any way? Our security will be affected if the war escalates into WWIII, and the security of our armed forces will also be affected if Wash. sends in troops into an impossible situation. It will just be another war for profiting the few at the expense of both tax funds and blood of the American people. Wash. and the taxpayers have pampered Israel enough and this is the outcome of all those billions of dollars over the years. See what I mean, jellybean?
Written with a razor-sharp pen. The best summarizing analysis i have yet read of the complex stalemate into which ‘biden’s’ Washington has maneuvered itself. And a clear warning to those countries that commit the future of their nations to the fate of the USA. https://thepressunited.com/updates/favorites-and-orphans-us-involvement-is-as-bad-for-ukraine-as-it-is-for-palestine/
The zionist neocons will keep the ME war going as long as they can, just like they’re doing in Ukraine. These people have no morality or social conscience. They are strictly about money and power, and they know this is their last chance to push for regime change in Iran, Syria, and possibly Russia. Delusional, psychotic, and dangerous. Thank every liberal who voted for Biden because they were afraid Trump would start WW3.
The uni-party agrees on more and forever wars. Just makes sense to them with all those MIC and AIPAC donations. To find out everything, always ask who profits and follow the money. It’s obvious if one does that.
Trump is a problem he is irrational, and in many ways irresponsible, he broke valuable nuclear weapons agreements and so did stupid war criminal W. Bush. Trump has no thoughtful and coherent policies. Biden was spared to campaign, he was not even vetted by the corporate media he sat in his home doing really nothing.
The last promising president we had was JFK, he had the potential to be a real leader and statesman, but he was assassinated.
Both parties have no competent person for president now.
Both parties support more war, the war profiteers could not ask for more. They will make sure it stays that way.
No matter what the neocons are set up they lose. Iran, Syria, and Russia are lined up with China and the ME Arab oil sheiks, NATO is dying, the USA has been isolated with the UK, Canada, and Australia and New Zealand, the Five eyes and Israel. Japan is a vassal of the US and there are the two Koreas.
JFK was killed 5 months after his Peace speech at American U’s commencement. But after that speech Khrushchev called the U.S. envoy to tell him JFK’s peace speech was the finest by an American president since Franklin D. Roosevelt. Seven weeks later, after a decade of delay, Moscow initialed the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty – it would take another 5 years for the US to do so but it was JFK with the vision and work that built the coalition bringing it to fruition,
I often think if just one of the three – Martin, John, or Bobby – had lived what a very different world we’d be living in right now.
I still believe JFK had the potential of a great statesman there is no one even close to him.
I think he was a great statesman with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Compare his performance handling that war threat with WW3 escalatory potential to the emotional and intellectual midgets ruling the US today (and Europe is no better.) In stepping back from the nuclear brink Kennedy defied his advisors and cold war policy; 30 years post-cold war we’re still eliminating autocracy and WW3 looms on two fronts. Two generations have no idea what a statesman is.
The morning the missiles were discovered Kennedy agreed to the bombing & invasion but from a secret recording of a Joint Chiefs meeting the 4th day of the crisis we’re fortunate to have insight into a statesman’s decision making. https://time.com/5899754/jfk-decisionmaking-cuban-missile-crisis/ The joint chiefs were unanimous it was possible to depose Castro “without precipitating a general war, and without serious effect on world opinion.” Kennedy proposed “we ought to think of why the Russians did this.”
Maybe we’re no longer in need of statesmen because our overly credentialed Ivy-collective of technocrats already know everything. Russia wants to recreate the Soviet Union and the Palestinians are all terrorists or terrorist supporters. Fade to black.
Super.
EVEN THE TROTSKYISTS ON WSWS.COM ARE ON THE SAME SIDE AS STOCKMAN. AWESOME ARTICLES ALL OVER THAT SITE TODAY–HERE’S JUST ONE. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/09/gvpr-o09.html
EXCERPT: The International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
unequivocally denounces the Netanyahu government’s declaration of war on
the Palestinian people following the uprising in Gaza against the
Israeli occupation. The hysterical frothing of the Israeli regime,
reminiscent of the Nazis, can be interpreted as nothing less than a call
for the extermination of a large portion of the population of Gaza. The
ICFI denounces no less emphatically the declarations of total support
given by the Biden administration and the governments of the European
Union to the genocidal campaign that is now being planned and
implemented by the Israeli armed forces. The dispatch of an American
aircraft carrier to the region is a vile display of imperialist
solidarity with the massive attack on the Palestinian people.
The Palestinian people know the true meaning of suffering, and solidarity from many tiers of social justice all across the globe…WSWS has a lot of good stuff going on.
Blinken is a complete idiot. As if he somehow “knows” what is happening in Gaza. He “knows” what Israel tells him, and that’s all he knows; and he then repeats it, word for word, like the good little butt kissing sycophant he is.
I wish I knew him in high school, so I could have joined the long line of his classmates that gave him wedgies and shoved him into gym lockers.
A pathetic little pansy boy wearing “mens” clothing pretending to be a grown up. Someone should just slap him and make him cry.
Actually he’s a blinking idiot.
Blinken rejects ceasefire.
There are still Palestinians standing in Gaza.
There is still a killing to be made by merchants of death that include Northrup Grumman and RTX Corporation.
I believe, unequivocally, the establishment of a “Jewish State” was a big mistake and it has been a problem since it began.
This has been my view for decades, Donna. There is no way to establish a peaceful state by throwing the people who are already there off the land they have occupied for centuries – no way whatsoever. It’s a prescription for disaster and always has been.
You will get no argument from me, good sir.
Ditto.
At the time one state could have had a chance, Israelis and Palestinians lived side by side for centuries but now it is almost impossible, it would take centuries to at least come to liking and respect each other.
But from the start the Zionists used terrorism against the Palestinian people.
Some of their PMs were terrorists, Sharon was one of them.
The election of Sharon the war criminal was the turning point that marked the end of the Oslo peace process.
That and the murder of Rabin, which is part and parcel.
Sharon was a leader of Irgun before there was a state of Israel, the Irgun was much the same as Hamas is now. Rabin was also a member of Irgun and he worked for peace with the Palestinians and was assassinated for doing it.
“But from the start the Zionists used terrorism against the Palestinian people” And vise versa. Both sides are guilty.
We must focus on ending the catastrophe, but as long as we have war criminals, human animals, in DC and Tel Aviv and European capitals running the show there is no end in sight, just WW III getting closer.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation and ethnic cleansing.. The moral equivalence you’re implying in myopic.
Cheat Sheet:
Moral Clarity consists of agreeing with me, without caveats, that the side I support is without sin and totally righteously aggrieved, while the side I oppose possesses no valid grievances or redeeming characteristics whatsoever.
Moral Equivalence consist of hatefully and erroneously evaluating the side I support using the same standards as you use to evaluate the side I oppose.
Anybody here speak gibberish?.. Tommy is posting again.
Israelis and Palestinians lived side by side for centuries
Not quite, Arab Palestinians and Jewish Palestinians ( or any Jew in Palestine ) got along fine until the Zionists showed up and the Brits gifted them a colony.. THAT”S when the trouble started.
Glad to hear the trouble never started, then (the British fought tooth and nail against the establishment of Israel).
Like I said, they wanted a col-o-ny.
Apparently they didn’t read Mrs. Shelley’s Frankenstein , or at least they didn’t read it to the end…
Palestinians are Semites too, even having different religious believes they got along fine.
tell that to Arik Sharon and the murderers in the IDF.
Arik Sharon
The fat’s in the fire now.
Yeah, too bad the final solution was never completed.
Death to America and its allies.
The neocons are in the process to do just that, the allies found out, Kissinger was right, to be a friend of the US is fatal, see the EU and NATO, both are imploding. The pipeline sabotage did a lot to speed it up.
Imploding? Lol.
You mean like those BRICS countries you support?
When deranged Biden and his team sabotaged the NS2 it was to destroy the German economy and with it he also DESRTROYED the EU. Most of the EU members are also NATO members who helped fund the Biden war in Ukraine.
They were coerced to support the Biden war, they were sanctioned if they did not agree with sanctions against Russia. They have had enough of Biden, he kicked the NATO members in the face, the people in Europe had enough and are putting pressure on their treasonous governments.
The USA is Europe’s biggest enemy and they know it. Biden isolated the USA.
By Realpolitik standards the neocons are fanatics, incapable to practice a common sense Realpolitik . The insane neocons are a global danger, add a deranged old neocon as president and you have a devilish political brew. You should be afraid of them, they want a big war, starting with a military attack against Iran, why else is the NAVY down there? Netanyahu is at it for decades, it is his life’s goal, he is a true fanatic as is our demented president. that is as bad as it gets.
Julio still believes the Russians blew up their own pipeline. He got that information from CNN and MSNBC, and you know they tell the truth.
Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism are rising, the Israelis and Americans worked hard to accomplish that.
Let us look at Ireland-they refused to take Jewish refugees, and then complain when Israel created a refuge for them.
After WWII there were many countries willing to admit refugees from the first Abrahamic faith.
The USA, the UK , France, Canada, Argentina, Chile, Mexico and other Latin American countries took many refugees after WWII. There was no need for Zionists to colonize Palestine.
Before (and maybe during) WWII, some of those countries (Canada, I am fairly sure) turned away those same refugees.
The point is that Israeli Zionists have options. I can understand why Palestinians would not want to live around settlers for the same reasons that victims of the Nazi Holocaust did not want to live in Germany after the war. The extremist Israeli Zionists may have destroyed any possibility of peaceful coexistence in Palestine.
What “jewish refugees” are you talking about??? Before world war 2?? There WAS no “Israel” then; just British controlled Palestine, and the jews there had no right to allow any immigration; that was controlled by the British. And “Israel” “created a refuge” since 1948 by taking palestinian land and resettling immigrants there; nothing really to be proud of.
The Palestinians want their own homeland millions of Palestinians live in refugee cams around Palestine.
Why can’t the Americans admit all the refugees, Europe is taking care of millions of refugees already, cleaning up after the insane neocons insane political sanctions and military demolition of countries, take a look at Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen and many more, do you call that competent governing? I don’t, the democratic governments are controlled by rich war criminals, and they still want more.
Oy, sae now it’s a shot at the Oyresh then, Boy-o ??
The Nazi Holocaust was an unspeakable abomination. But it does not justify subjecting the Palestinian people to captivity, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and the threat of genocide. No people are above any other people. There is no master race and there are no chosen people.
There is now ongoing a ‘final solution” to exterminate people labeled as “animals.”
Support that or oppose that. What I see in this comment is support for it.
Not sure if a “Jewish State” would have existed without the Germans trying to kill all the European Jews in WW2. But they did and that may have been the tipping point that made it possible. Of course there was a movement to create such a state before WW2, I am just not sure if would have succeeded.
One of the worst anti-free speech organizations/companies is the Gannett Company which owns over 100 daily newspapers, and nearly 1,000 weekly newspapers. Obviously they are too close to the Puzzle Palace, being based in McLean, VA. They don’t ever give a warning, just zap and no appeals when a commenter is banned. So one damn fool operative makes the decision.
Same thing happens on Political Wire, and that’s just one person.
This was a plan all along:
The roots of Israel’s ethnic cleansing in Gaza
Israel has always chosen occupation and supremacy over peace and security.
Sharon withdrew from Gaza because he didn’t want to see Israel become a Jewish minority state. Had he followed through and made Gaza and the West Bank a Palestinian state, we wouldn’t have been witnessing this lunacy from Tel Aviv.
However, the reason he didn’t do the latter casts a harsh light on Israel’s real intentions re the surrounding territory, and implies the existence of a racist goal of purging Palestine for Lebensraum.
I just posted a clear explanation re Sharon’s actual intentions which casts absolutely no aspersions against people of the J******** state.
It went immediately into Antiwar’ Scheisss hopper.
Sorry folks, but this site is going into my Scheiss Hopper. Have a good day. Peace.
Please, don’t shut the door, we need you.
Yes we do, I would miss your pithy comments. As matter of fact I like most of you writers on this site with a few exceptions.No guessing allowed.
If you “just posted” it and received the message telling you it was being held for moderation, it just means that it triggered the algorithm and is waiting for the moderator to take a look.
I’m not sure why so many of you are having such a hard time recognizing and understanding the system, the reason it exists and how it works.
It has happened to me too, but I did forget to go back to the post to see what happened to it.
I don’t always remember to check but, when I have, the post has always appeared.
Until you see it appear, you have no idea whether you wasted your time writing or putting thought into it.
Putting a bot in charge of the content of a conversation is the height of stupidity.
“That’s the way it is” is about as useful as using the same phrase to justify our ignoring the way our government has been suborned by the arms industry.
Except that you don’t have a lot of choice as to your government, while you have millions of choices of web sites to comment at, and can even create your own if you don’t like the rules at any of the others.
The bot is not in charge of the content. The bot is in charge of holding any content that may violate the site’s rules until it can be looked at.
At certain times — like, say, during a major war in Palestine — that’s going to be a LOT of content.
Nobody, including me, has to like it. The choice offered, more than a decade ago, was “1) you accept a position as moderator, because no one else wants to do it, or 2) we get rid of commenting altogether.” I thought that (1) was better than (2).
I continue to believe you’ve done an outstanding job of moderating. My disagreement is with the programming of the bot.
I wrote software for over 35 years on a number of computers and in five separate languages, starting before 1980. I know something about software. I just happen to believe the bot overseeing content is too primitive.
I won’t say any more about the atmosphere here. If this is too harsh, then just ban me from your site.
I have to be able to live with myself, not anyone else.
I continue to believe you’ve done an outstanding job of moderating. My disagreement is with the programming of the bot.
I wrote software for over 35 years on a number of computers and in five separate languages, starting before 1980. I know something about software. I just happen to believe the bot overseeing content is too primitive.
I won’t say any more about the atmosphere here. If this is too harsh, then just ban me from your site.
I have to be able to live with myself, not anyone else.
The bot is only in charge of alerting the moderator.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure Knapp is correct when he says that this ain’t gonna change no matter how many posters complain about it. There are good arguments about whether or not monopoly and near-monopoly platforms should be allowed to censor speech. There’s a really great argument that says the US government shouldn’t be permitted to coerce platforms into censoring speech. There is no persuasive argument for the notion that the people in charge of a little comment section like this one shouldn’t be able to control what appears on its web pages.
I’m not complaining about it as I no longer see Knapp. I’m commenting on the fact – and it is a fact – that here in the US we have seriously damaged dialog by giving in to the idiots who came up with politically correct speech.
There’s a monster in the room who is dictating events in the ME to everyone’s detriment, and we can’t name it because of this stupid, idiotic crap called political correctness.
“. . . we have seriously damaged dialog by giving in to the idiots who came up with politically correct speech.”
Yes, we have. But moderation in this forum is a long, long way from enforcing politically correct speech. Consider this: If Antiwar.com didn’t hold posts containing potentially-problematic speech for moderator approval, at a time like this, the chances are quite good that more than a few hateful posts would pop up. The response to that — almost guaranteed — would see the site raided by a battalion of posters spouting hate speech from the other side of the issues of the day. Before long, the forum would be unmanageable and the likely result would be that the folks in charge would decide to shut down comments.
The Indians of the Northeastern US have a saying: Chagogagogmanchagagogchabunnagungamog (not completely sure of the spelling, but the pronunciation is correct).
It means: you fish on your side, I fish on my side, nobody fish in the middle.
It’s the name of a lake there.
Peace friend. We can agree to disagree.
Good gravy – was that tribe Welsh by chance ???
“There’s a really great argument that says the US government shouldn’t be permitted to coerce platforms into censoring speech”
Yes. The 1st Amendment. What I quoted is the only place (vis-a-vis social media) where it applies.
Because Twitter and Facebook acceded to FBI demands for censorship, both platforms became adjuncts to the federal government as “third-party enforcement” (my nomenclature) and The First applies to them. I think it was Judge Napolitano (sp?) who pointed that out in an essay on this very site.
I understand the “System” perfectly well. Three words, which I will not quote exactly, or I suspect you won’t see it: “Je*ish, I*rael, Tel A*iv”. One or more was a trigger word. Which one do you think the Bot finds unacceptable for an American citizen to utter?
The post has appeared, as I suspected it would, so you can read it for yourself. Let me know how my use of those three words should offend a third party.
Final warning on trying to game the guidelines.
I disagree. I’m not gaming anything. Go ahead and throw me out, if that’s your decision, I’ll be just fine.
I was and continue to be speaking my mind. If you don’t like my contributions here, you have all the power. I have none.
I actually love your contributions.
But the guidelines exist for a reason, and vis a vis those guidelines you are not special. Using just the first letter of a word because you know the whole word will end up in moderation is gaming your comments to avoid scrutiny that I am obligated to bring to bear on comments. It makes my job harder — and that’s ALL it does. I still have to read every comment, and when people are playing silly games to avoid moderation, I have to read them more closely. That doesn’t change any outcomes, other than wasting my time.
In which case, however this ends up, I apologize for making your job harder. That never was my intention.
I disagree. I’m not gaming anything. Go ahead and throw me out, if that’s your decision, I’ll be just fine.
I was and continue to be speaking my mind. If you don’t like my contributions here, you have all the power. I have none.
Is Sharon still alive or am I confused. If so its too bad.
Sharon & Bram are still alive. Lois died in 2015.
Former Israeli PM Ariel Sharon dies after eight-year coma, if that’s the Sharon you mean.
If you mean Ariel, he’s dead.
Dead or only slightly dead like in the Princess Bride.
The son of a Hamas founder said Hamas is even more dangerous than ISIS on Monday, claiming the mainstream media is afraid to call it a genocidal religious movement for fear of igniting a full-on religious war.
“It’s their own comparison to say Hamas and ISIS because I think Hamas is a lot more dangerous,” Mosab Hassan Yousef told “FOX & Friends.”
“Look at the division and the global confusion because of Hamas. They brought us to our knees somehow by their brutality and their barbarism. Brutality is even understating Hamas’ acts. Hamas is a religious movement, and they are a raging religious movement against Israel. The mainstream media cannot say this, because they are afraid to ignite a religious war. And what I say, it already is. They want to annihilate the Jewish people because they are Jewish people, because they are a Jewish state.”
The truth Antiwar frauds shrink from.
He is nothing but a tool that is paid to say whatever is told to say and he has been rewarded handsomely for his activities with a US citizenship and media promotions.
Link?
The son of a Hamas founder said Hamas is even more dangerous than ISIS on Monday, claiming the mainstream media is afraid to call it a genocidal religious movement for fear of igniting a full-on religious war.
“It’s their own comparison to say Hamas and ISIS because I think Hamas is a lot more dangerous,” Mosab Hassan Yousef said.
“Look at the division and the global confusion because of Hamas. They brought us to our knees somehow by their brutality and their barbarism. Brutality is even understating Hamas’ acts. Hamas is a religious movement, and they are a raging religious movement against Israel. The mainstream media cannot say this, because they are afraid to ignite a religious war. And what I say, it already is. They want to annihilate the Jewish people because they are Jewish people, because they are a Jewish state.”
Meh. Covid was “more dangerous” than ISIS. Glad that Frank Hamas Jr is picking fearsome boogeymen for comparison, at the height of their popularity.
So what should happen to the Hamas slaughters of the Oct. 7th attack?
Return Palestine to the Palestinian people.
It is.
Thank you for proving my point, most of you are cheerleaders for Hamas baby-rapers, butchers.
It comes down to ‘my butcher is worse than your butcher,’ doesn’t it?
No Lily it doesn’t.
Premeditated atrocities glorying in beheading infants, burning people alive, slashing old women and posting (live stream) murder, gang rapes and hostage taken against civilians is not —“war”.
Sometimes both sides are wrong, this is one of them. Too bad Tel Aviv used this for their long awaited for cleansing of all Tel Aviv regards as not kosher or acceptable to the Zionist agenda.
You have evidence of those accusations or make it up as you go?
Honestly, I don’t know. I would prefer that action in which justice (not revenge) is best served; and which does the most good for the most people while minimising harm to the most people.
All of that requires patient, careful, wise consideration. None of which is available at the moment.
Also I don’t know if this situation presently is the Ultimate Big Showdown, after which nothing is the same again…or just another “lawn mowing” by the IDF with slightly better casus belli and back to GenPop with Gaza by Christmas.
If atrocities are not severely punished, they don’t stop. So, Israel is left with no choice but to destroy Hamas.
Consider :
“If atrocities are not severely punished, they don’t stop. So, Hamas is left with no choice but to destroy Israel.”
Hamas isn’t left with no choice but to destroy Israel, it’s their professed objective,
even in their charter, their schools and mosques.
Hamas could choose peace but that would conflict with their theology.
So, they launch military atrocities like this then scream that they are victims???
How is it you folks constantly pivot away from the monstrously, grotesque, specter of what was just done, literally ripping people apart, for some delusional attempt at parity?
Israel has done nothing like this.
Demanding a ceasefire, without a mechanism for severe punishment, guarantees war. Which make everyone who ignores that slaughter PRO-war.
“How is it you folks constantly pivot away from the monstrously, grotesque, specter of what was just done, literally ripping people apart, for some delusional attempt at parity?
Israel has done nothing like this.”
Israel, in its righteous sense of vengeance, is “ripping people apart” in Gaza with its retaliatory bombing. And you justify that.
The Palestinians have become the reflection of Israel’s heart and soul. You are what you claim to condemn. Israel is the cause. Hamas is the effect.
Israel is reaping what it has sown.
Hamas keeps civilians in targeted areas, that’s on them, wise up.
Nobody since Genghis Khan rips innocent civilians limb from limb, then videos it and sends it to the victim’s families!
Monsters, and Gaza is getting what it deserves.
Who decides what they “deserve”, dear Stroker Ace ? And by what objective criteria is this measured ?
And how does this criteria then, later, NOT be applied by someone else, to you or your chosen “side”, in an issue ? Precedent is a dangerous critter.
Pleez, an international tribunal if you prefer and the criteria, really (?), crimes against humanity!
Any entity employing tactics like Oct 7, applies.
It’s really not that hard Uncle, once you leave your propaganda bubble hatred for all things Israel.
“…hatred for all things Israel.”
False. Gal Gadot is a TRULY fine Shebrew !
Yeah, that, but that’s about it for you.
No. Others. Uri Avnery for one. If the name’s familiar, he was an essayist on antiwar.com until his passing in 2018. Admired him for his intellect, insight, and his firsthand experiences.
But as an aside, Stoker Ace. Advice, if you are open to it :
Lincoln, Aug 1846 : “I believe it is an established maxim in morals that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false, is guilty of falsehood; and the accidental truth of the assertion, does not justify or excuse him.”
Only one person knows what is in my head. Me. By asserting that YOU know what is in someone’s head, you take a serious risk, ‘Ace.
The risk is, if you are correct, no observers / readers will know for sure, and the point is moot. You’ve just made an assertion perhaps backed by anecdotal written evidence from that Someone’s previous statements.
BUT, if you claim Someone hates something or thinks something – and that Someone knows for a fact they don’t – then although Someone cannot likely ever prove this to anyone else…that Someone !!! KNOWS FOR CERTAIN !!! that you are lying with your statement.
So what ? So it is only a matter of time before this mind-reading ‘trick’ proves the Mind Reader a liar to Someone Else, and Another Someone Else, and so on.
And while all these other people cannot corroborate each other, ALL of them EACH know for CERTAIN that THEY know the Mind Reader is a liar.
If you claim to know what I think without directly ASKING me what I think, you risk this trap.
You suggest I hate “all things Israel”. I’ve provided 2 example to counter “all” (and later saying “most things Israel” is Moving The Goalposts); and besides that, I know personally, of my own state of mind, that you’re lying. I can’t convince anyone else of this, but, I know for my own purposes.
“All things Israel” on these threads had an implied limited context to political dynamics of Hamas v. Israel.
On the contrary, YOU moved the goalposts to include hot Israeli women, never under discussion.
Which of course prompted a concession from me, I had to grant, once I realized you found one or two things (both off topic these threads) to show I was mistaken.
That’s a stretch, Unc.
Implied <> explicit, ‘Ace. Your choice of words was not my fault.
No need to move goalposts on my part – you set them and I met them. Flubbing their placement is on you. And going off-topic ? Have you not read any of my inane one-liners ? I did like my bit comparing Israel v. Hamas to the NCAA.
Did you at least consider my advice to not pretend to know other peoples’ minds at the risk of your own credibility ? If anything, that’s the takeaway I’d have you absorb.
Ultimately – if you want to know what I think, just ask it directly. Most likely I’ll give you an honest answer. Or explain why I can’t.
I understand the need to score a point,
no matter how desperately irrelevant or far-fetched,
apparently, that is what your mental health requires, so I will graciously oblige.
Truth be told I’d rather make a point than score one. And I don’t want or need to change your mind, ‘Ace – you’re much more valuable as you are now. Why try to convert you to my way of thinking ? I’m more interested in what you think and why you think it.
And again, instead of insinuating about my mental health (which could be seen as being racist against the neurodivergent), just ASK me.
The Mongols had absolutely s**t wi-fi over most of the Central Asian steppes. That’s why they couldn’t upload & send. Also they filmed in 360i which is garbage res.
Yeah we agree on that but if lo Genhgis did have it you know he’d use it.
Very true. I don’t know that Stroker Ace is willing to see from the Palestinian side; or accept that the IDF and Israeli government are not The Default Good Guys.
Hamas hasn’t much choice. The Israeli gov’t’s implicit agenda towards the Palestinians in general and Gazenese in particular is, by the words of many others, a slow-rolling genocide. The Israeli State apparatus has the time, money, equipment, and PR hacks to see it through.
The point of my mirror-reply, ‘Ace, is that !!! BOTH SIDES !!! feel the same way about the other. It’s a deadlock. Both sides feel justified in their position. Both sides feel they cannot negotiate with the other side. Both sides see it as a fight-to-the-death, with their own survival at stake.
Assessing blame or justification is the pro-war stance; not some Orwellian misdirect suggesting peace is war.
The true antiwar stance, for and from ANY of us here, is to eliminate the CAUSE(s) of war. Sometimes that may involve uncomfortable honesty or, yes, strife and conflict. Chemo is no easy path to beating cancer, but it’s sometimes necessary to end the cancer.
It’s a full blown war between Hamas and Israel and the rules of war apply to both sides, and neither side adheres to those rules. Just like Wash. does around the world. Some problems can never be solved; this is one of them. So, best to let them fight it out and not let Wash. provoke and escalate this tragedy into more military adventures.
Cut off the head-Iran-cruising-Iran will cause death and destruction until its turned into a pre cambrian slime.
OK, let Israel try, just keep America out of it. However, Iran does stay on its own side of the world, unlike Wash.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but, a very substantial % of Iran’s population is under the age of 18. 24% are aged 0-14. 1 in 4 are KIDS, of their ~88 million population.
Let’s leave them alone.
No single entity controls escalation.
A single entity always starts escalation, then the other side does the same and it goes on and on with more destruction and death.
The so called “son of Hamas” is total propaganda fabrication. He is being paid to say whatever he says.
“ Mosab Hassan Yousef (Arabic: مصعب حسن يوسف; nicknamed “The Green Prince”; born 5 May 1978)[3] is a Palestinian who worked undercover for Israel’s internal security service Shin Bet from 1997 to 2007.
Shin Bet considered him its most valuable source within the Hamas leadership. The information Yousef supplied prevented dozens of suicide attacks and assassinations of Israelis, exposed numerous Hamas cells, and assisted Israel in hunting down many militants, and incarcerating his own father, Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef.[1][4] In March 2010, he published his autobiography titled Son of Hamas.[5]
In 1999, Yousef converted to Christianity, and in 2007 he moved to the United States.[2] His request for political asylum in the United States was granted pending a routine background check in 2010.[6]
Wikipedia
In other words, he saw the light.
“…saw the light.” Great, now I can’t get the song out of my head what Johnny Cash sang in that episode of ‘Columbo’ he guested on.
The son of Hamas knows the truth about that skank organization, and that just hurts some of the easily bruised on this website.
Evidence I see leads me to doubt Frank Hamas Jr’s (M. Hussein Yousef) sincerity and reliability, as per John Smith’s comment.
I wonder if when he converted to Christianity he changed his name to Cat Stevens. That’d be awesome.
Only dangerous to Israel. This is none of the business of the American people.
Cause you know more about this than the son of Hamas, sure.
I know this conflict won’t affect American security, that is unless it brings terrorism to America who supports one side unjustly. You are failing miserably here at antiwar.
Right, Bribe-n’s border policy will protect us, cackle.
If I’m banned on from this site because of today’s posts, I wish you all peace and good luck. This wish is also extended to our moderator.
Should it happen I’ll cancel the Disqus account.