The Joe Biden administration believes it is important to get F-16s to the Ukrainian military and estimates the warplanes could arrive around the end of the year. Although, the White House does not assess the F-16s will alter the course of the war.
National security adviser, Jake Sullivan, said at the Aspen Security Forum Washington is trying to rush the delivery of F-16s to Kiev. "We are going to push as fast as possible," he said.
A spokesperson for the National Security Council, John Kirby, told Fox News on Thursday that the White House believes that date will be around the end of the year. "Now look, the F-16s will get there probably towards the end of the year," he explained.
A coalition of 11 countries have come together to train Ukrainian pilots to fly the F-16 and provide Kiev with several planes. Washington has signed off on transferring the war planes to Ukraine.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said he expects the training to begin in about a month and F-16s to arrive after the first of the year. “Training should start sometime in August, maybe at the beginning of September. Simultaneously, legal decisions necessary for the transfer of the aircraft and the aircraft themselves will be prepared," he explained. "I think that if Ukrainian pilots fly the first F-16s in Ukrainian airspace by the end of the first quarter of next year."
Kirby went on to say that F-16s will not change the course of the war and stressed Ukraine’s need for other weapons systems. "But it’s not our assessment that the F-16s alone would be enough to turn the tide here." He continues, Kiev needs “the four As: artillery, ammunition, air defense and armor – tanks.”
Defense officials told CNN on Tuesday that the US is nearly out of weapons and ammunition to send to Ukraine. At a conference in London last week, Gen. James Hecker explained the arms shortage will not be resolved soon. "[NATO is] dreadfully below where we need to be," he said. And it’s probably not going to get better – well, it’s not in the short term – but we’ve got to make sure in the long term we have the industrial base that can increase what we have."
Even with Ukraine lacking air power, ammunition and conventional artillery rounds, the Biden administration is pressing Kiev to push its counteroffensive. Officials in the US and Ukraine admitted the six weeks of operations have been less successful than hoped and Kiev’s forces have suffered substantial losses. American officials believe Ukraine’s counteroffensive "has generated concerns in the West that the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky may not deliver as powerful a blow as it could," according to the Washington Post.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
The US is willing to send just enough weapons to keep Russia tied down and bleeding. Oh, and innocent Ukrainians will bleed too, which is just an imperial rounding error.
While the hawks from both parties are frothing at the mouth gleeful about their financial ,bonanza,our citizens do not share their joy.The shortage of qualified canidates is not going to improve
They are well qualified for dragging US downhill.
I think we are being too optimistic when we hope for peace
Oh please.
You would whine no matter what they did.
If they sent over F-22’s? You would whine.
If they (help) send over F-16’s?
You whine.
You clearly just hate American foreign policy (which is fine). And ignore the horrors of Russia foreign policy (which is not).
For the record, I think ALL sides on this are wrong.
War is NEVER the right solution.
But I don’t jump all over one side and ignore the negatives of another like almost everyone around here does. Including those who run this site.
If as the comments on your profile indicate you used to post under the name “Troy Olin” then you will know that I have consistently criticized both sides for committing crimes against humanity. Yes, I have criticized the US more harshly for provoking this invasion and perpetuating the fighting, but I have stated clearly that provocation is not justification and what Russia is doing is totally immoral as all state-to-state war is.
So, clearly you post stands in error, as I have not ignored the negatives of Russia’s horrific actions. Additionally, you may call it whining, because you don’t agree with me, but I call it witness because I’m pretty fucking sure it won’t be McRocket (or Troy Olin) that I’m standing in front of when I’m all done dancing on this earth. Peace Now!
“that I have consistently criticized both sides for committing crimes against humanity”
NO, you have NOT. Liar.
The demonstrable falsity of your rant is risible. I stand by what is publicly available for anyone to see.
The both sides are the same stick is a cowardly way to stand for nothing, Two wrongs don’t make a right, but is is not always two wrongs.
It is clear cut who the real aggressor in this case is.
The USA WAS ACTIVELY PREPARING TO ATTACK RUSSIA for decades. It was the reason for the NATO alliance, not to defend Europe, Russia was not going to attack the Europeans, it could not, if it had wanted to. Russia was broken, all the Russian people wanted was to live in peace. They had experienced the real war, Americans had not, much the same as Ukraine now.
Your comments are always intelligent and interesting.
Don and Troy, the new tag team. Enjoy your company.
Fine.
Please post links that show your EXTENSIVE, criticism of Russian actions in this war. Because I do not recall them.
Whereas I have consistently posted against BOTH sides on numerous occasions.
Do that and I will sincerely apologize to you.
To be honest – I did slightly hesitate to send my above post as I did vaguely recall that you seem less ‘out there’ than most Russian bots on here.
But my above post stands in the sense that whining that America is not sending enough equipment seems bizarre to me.
So what EXACTLY do you want them to send?
LOTS of F-16’s?
F-22’s?
Nothing?
More?
What exactly?
To be fair to senile Biden? They cannot send TONS of top-of-the-line equipment. They have no idea what Ukraine will do with them.
They will certainly break them down and try to reverse engineer them. And then probably sell the technology to the highest bidder (once the war is over). Thus doing great harm to America’s military technological industry.
I think America has done it right – even though I am against them sending arms at all.
They have slowly escalated the amount and complexity of the weapons they send. This is wise on their part, imho.
And I did post under Troy Olin. But the powers that be won’t let me do that any longer…for some weird reason.
Perhaps I was banned and they did not bother telling me.
The link is right in front of you, my Disqus profile, which contains all my comments and replies, some of them with “Troy Olin”. If you wish you can go to my site https://believeandobey.net/ and see everything I have ever published.
No doubt Troy is a Millennial and feels entitled that you should do his work for him.
if Rocket changed his name from Troy then every one of his past comments would all magically change to Rocket as well. i know that because i have changed my name several times in the last 2 years. however, if you say that McRocket used to be Troy Olin then you are probably right.
SPY ON THIS, I JUST REALIZED: HE WAS SENT HERE TO SPY ON YOU!!!!! LOL! HAHA! https://media3.giphy.com/media/sR2YaENch4sog/giphy-downsized-small.mp4
I apologize for the ferocity of my attack on you.
You are clearly not filled with the same Pro-Russian nonsense that many on here seem to be.
So again…I sincerely apologize for that.
When pushed, you do condemn both sides.
Which is very good, imo.
However, your posts – at least over the last month or so – DEFINITELY angle towards America as the cause and solution to the war.
Sorry, but that is just not true.
Yes, America has acted ridiculously over Ukraine for over a decade.
But NONE of that justifies Russia invading Ukraine.
Not even close.
The Kremlin’s blather about ‘killing Nazi’s’ or stopping Ukraine becoming part of NATO does not wash.
No nation has a right to invade another.
Period.
And just because Russia was scared of NATO. That is no excuse for invading a sovereign nation (same with America invading Iraq/Afghanistan…no excuse for those actions).
Russia’s invasion was 100% wrong…no matter what America said or did.
Had they simply joined the fighting in Luhansk and Donetsk? I could live with that. AS innocent people were being killed be Ukraine.
But NOT Ukraine proper.
And you keep saying lately that America could end the war?
It is not America’s war to end.
Russia invaded.
Russia committed the illegal act according to international law.
They are the one’s who can stop it.
Not America.
Also, this was on social media from Yevgeny Prigozhin – former(?) Wagner leader. Who knows about a billion times more about this than you or I:
“We were hitting [the Ukrainians], and they were hitting us. That’s how it went on for those eight long years, from 2014 to 2022. Sometimes the number of skirmishes would increase, sometimes decrease.”
“On 24 February [2022, the day of the invasion], there was nothing extraordinary happening in Ukraine. Now the Ministry of Defence is trying to deceive the public, deceive the president and tell a story that there was some crazy aggression by Ukraine; that – together with the whole NATO bloc – Ukraine was planning to attack us.”
“The war was needed so that Shoigu could [get a promotion]. The war wasn’t for ‘demilitarising’ or ‘de-nazifying’ Ukraine. It was needed for an extra star.”’
https://gwynnedyer.com/2023/russia-what-just-happened/
It is almost ‘well duh’ now that Russia invaded Ukraine for political gain for Russia’s leaders. Using America’s neocon bastards (and I DESPISE neocons) as an excuse.
They told Putin it would be easy. They were wrong.
And now Russia is stuck in a quagmire that they cannot win so long as NATO backs Ukraine AND China stays out of it directly.
Russia made the first move. They invaded. It is up to them to leave. Not America to promise some silliness about NATO.
So, yes, you are not ‘all for Russia’.
But your posts clearly – at least over the past month or two – show a definite leaning to ‘America is more to blame than Russia over this war…and ending it.’.
In this war?
Russia is to blame first and foremost.
And they are the ones that must stop this war.
As they have ZERO justification for invading Ukraine (that posed zero, direct threat to their sovereignty before the war).
Good day.
Redundant much?
You finally showed your true color and where you really stand. Speaking for myself, that is much appreciated.
Nothing with hypocritical both are guilty business.
“Russian bots”? Seriously? Just admit you are a Neocon sheeple Troy.
If you provide fuel and a lighter to someone to burn down my house I will do everything to stop your stooge. But to criticize
me for stoping that stooge from doing so, is just plane stupid.
The United States Of America maintains > 800 military bases on foreign soil. Our government has been taken hostage by the war-mongering Neocons, the Corporatocracy and the Deep State Bureaucrats (including many Congressmen). These pathocrats, lunatics and psychopaths DO NOT represent the US Constitution & Bill Of Rights. In fact, they are the enemy of Liberty. All we can do is try to speak truth to their Empire Of Lies. There is nothing we can do about China or Russia.
US did a lot to create a strong Russia/China alliance. 800 military bases on foreign soil serve well to keep EU, Japan and some other countries in subordination but they are useless against Russia/China alliance.
Let us hope so.
The US POLITICAL/CORPORATE establishment declared China and Russia our adversaries not the other way around.
Biden is involved in these hostilities against Russia forever. The US hegemon is responsible.
NATO has only been used by the US in aggressive wars to protect and increase the US hegemon powers. That makes it a criminal organization. The member states even cut each other’s throats, as in the case of the pipeline sabotage and sanctions against each other, the punishment if they refuse to do as told.
I am pretty sure that China and Russia will and can take care of themselves
You are on the wrong side, the warmongers sit in the WH. As crazy as they are they do know what they are doing and must be held responsible, they are common war criminals.
Hear Hear a voice in the wilderness heard by a few.
If they sent F35s the Russians won’t have to shoot them down They can crash on their own at 35 Million a pop?
“The US is willing to send just enough weapons to keep Russia tied down and bleeding” – that’s how US strategists see it. In reality, this war of attrition is devastating for US empire while Russia is becoming stronger every month militarily and otherwise. But what is particularly unpleasant for US rulers, the global south, first of all China, India and Africa, also became much stronger and much more assertive in the last 17 months. US and NATO invested too much in Ukrainian project and now the governments of Asia, Africa and Latin America are watching with deep satisfaction the miserable failure of US empire.
I am not a Russo phobe nor do I love Putin but the Us brought on this debacle in search and continuance of world domination a time that has come and gone. The rulers of the US deserve wha happens to them. The average citizen does not.
The so called unipolar world with US as the main center of power was possible only because it was good for Chinese, Russian and Indian elites (at least, they thought so). China got a lot of American investment, Russian post-communist elite was busy with converting their political privileges into $, India also had nothing against the existing world order. Iran was too weak to do anything. But as soon as Russian comprador elite was replaced by a patriotic one led by Putin, US oligarchy domination started to fail. US leaders had an illusion that they can dominate the world by their overwhelming military power. In reality, every day of the last thirty years Russia had a capacity to make of US a radioactive desert. The efforts to change this situation failed miserably. If USA were led by wiser people, they would never antagonize neither Russia nor China and carry on as a leader of “civilized world” with $ remaining as the world currency for foreseeable future.
But they are not and will . Go down with a big bang I am afraid they will take everyone and everything with them
It is not complicated. Both of them are wring religion, and I hope nobody is naive and believes such things do not happen.
Amen to that, brother. It is all about destroying Russia as a world power. And with the hope of dismantling Russian into a number of easily-manipulated regional states. All part of the geopolitical project of maintaining US unipolar dominance (i.e., the Rules-Based Order and Free-Market Economics).
The Neoconservative movement is driven by messianic zeal (the current crop of neocons in power is a generation younger than the founders such as Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz, but has the same Manichean beliefs) and takes American superiority, neoliberal economics, and popular elections as articles of faith. It has the hallmarks of a cult.
Don’t forget the EU/NATO Europeans, they even pay for their own execution.
I have heard dates all the way from August to middle of next year or later.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then, it is a lot of hype.
If they’ve announced it I don’t see much reason to doubt it. It’s another major escalation, and they’ve been keen to build on all the previous escalations.
It shows how insane and criminal the Biden people really are, they keep beating a dead horse.
If we are lucky Biden and his cabal will be the first since the Nazis to be convicted of war crimes but I won’t bet on them being convicted or Trump either. Such is the nature of corruption in the US.
It will have to be a truly international and neutral Court not the victors only as was the case in Nurnberg. It will never be perfect but it can be better than what we had.
No one can stop us from dreaming
If Ukraine makes it to 2024; the Odessa port is destroyed and Russia is now advancing in Kharkov. Are the arrows beginning to show?
The F16s, not expected to alter the war’s course, won’t be flying till ’24 Q1’s end. Eight months. What rabbits will NATO pull between now and then?
So it is set in the year of the dragon after all. Even warmonger like to follow the zodiac sign. I won’t make any difference. Putin has already seen the last page of this sad story.
Sad for you. Putin is your cult leader so no, you won’t make a difference.
Jeez. I don’t think I need to see anymore nonsense from this one.
And not in a good way. Just keep spouting garbage. There is such a thing as karma.
you on the other hand, are truly making a difference Julio
I am. Indeed.
Don’t worry, Putin will take your pain away. He cures all delusions.
“By the End of the Year” because it will take until then to paint giant red and white parking spaces for them
By the time these Jets get there to be shot down by Russian missiles this war will be over and the US and Europe licking their wounds. it could not happen to a nicer group of people.All of this bull shit is intended to take peoples minds off our shitty domestic situation and the desperate straits we are in. Climate Change,floods,fires ,violence corrupt and useless politics.Just wait and see how the government deals with the next virus or epidemic.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it eventually came down to encouraging banzai charges.
Just so people know. Had to change my handle from oldBear to a new one. Just as antiwar as ever.
I liked the oldBear, we will get used to like the oldGuy just as much. .
Thank you. Much appreciated.
Why?
I used to prowl Political Wire. After they went ballistic over Trump, Covid, and now Biden vs the Russians, I was greeted with an avalanche of insults by people blurting their Putin Lover BS and much much less civilized crap. I finally decided to adopt an ID they couldn’t immediately track.
“had to …” LOL somebody was on to you? watch out for Agent Julio because he will figure it out
LOL
Antiwar??????
🤣
You are funny.
You know, I do pay attention to your posts, and I’ve noticed something about you, …, no actually two things: (1) you don’t actually contribute anything of substance in your comments, and (2) you’re not even funny or entertaining.
Just my views based on a few months of observation….
Putin lover. 😉
Ok, Ok, ya got me!
Here’s my observation about you:
You suck and that’s why you have to change names.
Well done. You proved his point.
Did someone threaten to sue you for copyright?
Change your handle to one emphasizing the Bear and not the Old?
Just a request as your energy is not so consistent with Old.
JEEZ!!!
Do the powers that be of this site even care that – HELLO –
BOTH sides are doing terrible things?
These people CLEARLY have a major hatred for American foreign policy (which is fine). But COMPLETELY ignore the negatives of Russian/Chinese foreign policy.
Like…RUSSIA INVADED A SOVERIEGN NATION!!!
DUH!!!
This site seems to be little more than an anti-Western, hate fest.
That disgustingly ignores the terrible things China/Russia does also.
Pathetic.
What anti American thing has this article said? Where have they supported Russia’s invasion?
McRocket wears stars and stripes jammies when he goes to bed.
edit = McRocket seems to have changed his name back to Troy Olin.
that’s pretty sneaky of you Troy.
Do you like just hearing yourself say the same thing over and over regardless of the article’s content?
“These people CLEARLY have a major hatred for American foreign policy (which is fine). But COMPLETELY ignore the negatives of Russian/Chinese foreign policy.”
First: Nothing in Anzalone’s post above suggests a “hatred” for US foreign policy. If it did, it would as you say be OK. I certainly hate it on most days with names ending in “y”.
As for ignoring the terrible things that other nations do, well, you see, those other nations aren’t doing terrible things, or any other things, in our names or with our money (except for someone in the discussion who may be a Chinese or Russian citizen, of course). The US is acting in our names and using our money. See the difference?
Are you justifying the Biden/Nuland gang war crimes?
No there is no justification for war crimes no matter whether it was Bush,,Truman,Johnson,Nixon,Obama or the the Nation of Israel.
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As powerful a blow as it could? Just pondering over such words. Does it mean that Ukraine has all the advantages on its side, but doesn’t know how to leverage them? Is it to pass the blame on Kiev for poor back seat generaling from NATO? Or Kiev is incimpetent.?
Or is really the objective to lose as many soldiers as possible, as this is the youth Zelenski clique would rather see dead., The majority — by far — in Ukraine are Christian Orthodox ethnic Russians and Russian speaking Ukrainians – are the Ukrainian soldiers. It is hard to believe that they are serving volntarily. Press gangs are tge norm in their neighborhoods, their bus rloutes, trains, places of work.
Westrrn Ukraine is represented well in Zelenski government and security forces. You do not see press gangs combing the streets of Lvov? Or any other place in Volnya or Galicia. Anothet constituency supporting Zelenski is his own sizeable Jewish community. There are no press gangs raiding their neighborhoods either. We can only conclude that the youth of Russian speaking population is the target of Ukkrainian never ending suicidal stands, But it is getting harder. Press gangs are now met with stone throwing women, and occassionally with a gun fire,
So to NATO it does look like Ukraine can do better than that. Simple math is tellinng that there are theoretically many more recruits can be found and sent to the front.
But the counteroffensive focused in Zaporozhie belt towards Azov Sea — may now have to respond to some troubling hints. It may just be another faint, but Russia is suddenly moving from Lughansk towards Kharkov region while simultaneously attacking Odessa — raising doubts about its security. These two cities are on the opposite sides of the entire front, Focuss on Zaporozhie will have to be reprioritized if reinforcement must be sent to Kharkiv or Odessa. The front may collapse,
It will be interesting to find out how it chages NATO planning for Zelenski, Surely , nobody thinks that a comedien suddenly became a commander in chief!
Zelensky could not command a wet dream
Bianca = Kremlin Propagandist.
Don Julio = Bullshite Artist
OldFart = when someone sucks.
Your ignorance and arrogance are beneath contempt. You make me believe in the value of censorship.
What Kiev really needs is to use common sense and sit down with the Russians and negotiate an end of the slaughter. People with an ounce of human decency would have done this a long time ago.
The zombies in Washington have no human decency.
Amen!
“White House Rushing to Get F-16s to Ukraine By the End of the Year”
Bradley vehicles burning in Ukraine and F-16 will become smoking holes in the ground.
Joey Biden did that!
Russia did not invade Ukraine… Ukraine ceased to exist when it’s democratically elected government was overthrown by a Nazi led, US financed coupe.
God bless Russia! 🇷🇺
Congratulations, you are an idiot.
Speak for yourself.
Hey old fart. Didn’t you block me?
Dude, you suck.
Your bad manners are outstanding, other than that there is nothing to take note.
You are true to form, outstanding.
Look at the pot calling the kettle black
It sounds like a Christmas bonus for some defense pigs if they do.
F-16s will be blown up before the first mission?
Maybe, maybe not. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn’t matter all that much.
“A coalition of 11 countries have come together to train Ukrainian pilots to fly the F-16 and provide Kiev with several planes.”
Emphasis added.
Several planes. Flown by pilots rushed through shortened and accelerated training on a type entirely different from anything they’ve previously flown.
Every day, in every way, it becomes clearer and clearer that Washington, London and Brussels have utter, dismissive contempt for Ukraine and Ukrainians.
Want to put money on that?
did you notice the ? mark?
I bet one wooden nickel they succeed.
It makes no sense. Ukraine does not have an infrastructure to manage routine maintenance and even less the capacity to deploy them in combat. Unless they want to use them in a hail mary manner. Of course, if they are managed from Poland.
Or is it just a good way to pad profits. At taxpayers expense.
Don’t worry about it. Your Russian MOD will soon destroy them before they even arrive.
As if rushing makes any difference…!
I am reminded here–at my advanced age–of “Army Surplus Stores” in days of yore. And how well the materiel on their shelves would serve any contemporary warmaking.
Such stores still exist. I don’t recall seeing any F-16s in their inventories.
Then again, I do recall Sleepy Joe reminding us 2-A citizens that the G has such weapons…and that we Joe-sixpacks do not.
i’ll be damned – he did remind us of that. you realize that he is not as sleepy as somebody would like us to think, right?
Somebody fed him the script. Duh. He went back to his nap.
they all follow the script. all of them.
we are the frogs complacent in our warm bath, not realizing that the heat keeps increasing until it’s too late.
Actually, frogs are a lot smarter than that. They jump right out when the water gets too warm. But humans? Well, don’t get me started…
You hit the nail on the head.
F16 are nuclear capable. Russia has been very clear that any nuclear capable craft threatening them will be considered a nuclear attack. Now NATO knows this but will do it anyway.
The only credible use of F-16s by Ukraine is as high-altitude platforms for missile launch. That can be done outside the range of Russian anti-aircraft defense. That use also requires less training for the pilots than if they were in direct combat.
In any case, another step up the escalator to world war.
Bacically the USA is at war with Russia and the Ukrainian people are cannon fodder?
Yes, no question about it. USA aka USA/NATO is at war with Russia, all the people are no more than cannon fodder, that does include refugees, the civilian population, the war criminals are only profiting.
De facto USA/NATO is at war with Russia since the 2014 Obama/Biden regime change.