Russian authorities said Tuesday that eight Ukrainian drones targeted civilian areas of Moscow, marking the largest attack on the capital city since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine last year.
Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said the drones only caused “insignificant damage” to residential buildings and that two people were treated for minor injuries but didn’t need to be hospitalized. The Russian Defense Ministry said five of the drones were shot down, and three were downed using electronic warfare capabilities.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said the drone attack was an attempt by Ukraine to intimate Russian civilians. The attack came as Russia has stepped up its bombardment of Ukraine, and Putin suggested it was a response to a Russia targeting Ukraine’s military intelligence headquarters a few days earlier.
Ukrainian covert attacks have increased inside Russia in recent months. Kyiv does not officially take credit for the operations, but Ukrainian officials strongly hint at their involvement.
“Of course we are pleased to watch and predict an increase in the number of attacks. But of course we have nothing directly to do with this,” Mykhailo Podolyak, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelensky, said of the drone attack.
Last week, The New York Times reported that US officials believe one of Ukraine’s military or intelligence services was behind the drone attack that targeted the Kremlin in early May and other covert attacks inside Russia.
The report said the US officials don’t think Zelensky signs off on each covert action and suspect the Ukrainian president “and his top aides have set the broad parameters of the covert campaign, leaving decisions about who and what to target to the security services and their operatives.”
Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory risk a major escalation of the war, especially if Russia thinks the operations are supported by the US and NATO. Responding to the news of Tuesday’s drone attack, the White House said it didn’t support Ukrainian operations inside Russia.
“We saw the news and are still gathering information about what happened. As general matter, we do not support attacks inside of Russia,” a White House spokesperson said. However, the US does support Ukrainian attacks on Crimea, which was absorbed by Russia in 2014.
Over in the UK, British Foreign Secretary James Cleverly said he didn’t have information on the drone attack but endorsed the idea of Ukraine hitting targets inside Russia.
“Ukraine does have the legitimate right to defend itself. It has the legitimate right to do so within its own borders of course, but it also does have the right to project force beyond its borders to undermine Russia’s ability to project force into Ukraine itself,” Cleverly said.
Typical terrorism by Anglo-American empire. The goal is take away attention from their disastrous loss of Artemovsk and complete failure of this ‘-counter-counter-offensive’. Russians pretty much wiped out everything Pentagon sent to Ukraine.
Seems like the drones were shot down on their way to an MOD building.
Russia defense ministry said, “eight drones sent by Kyiv were shot down or diverted…”
Sounds like the Ukrainians we’re looking to strike a legitimate target but the Russians intercepted the drones and caused the damage. Not terrorism. Collateral damage.
Also, a great victory for the Russians in the “big city” of Artemovsk! (Population: 7,162)
Actually, the prewar population of Bakhmut a/k/a Artemovsk was 71,000. But your point is well taken. Strategically a victory for Russia would have meant encircling the Ukrainian garrison. As it stands now, the Ukrainians are still in position to block any meaningful Russian advance from Bakhmut. They have just been pushed out of the city limits, but not defeated.
Do you have a source supporting your belief that the Ukrainian drones were targeting an MOD building? I am on Ukraine’s side. But the only saints in wartime are the dead.
Ah, yes. Those pesky Russians renaming Bakhmut. And here I thought they had conquered a different insignificant town! Thanks for setting me straight.
Yes, your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance. The city had that name for 100 years.
Not your fault, really. Anglo-American brainwashing and propaganda system does not allow intellectual growth of their slaves. Not profitable to have a educated population.
And Russian arrogance might be the death of their country. We’ll see if the Russian people are smart enough to extricate themselves from Putin’s debacle.
Wow. So you pretty much admit that you are brainwashed slave with a ridiculous propaganda script? Not really surprising. Typical NPC behavior.
Storm is a comin’
Good. Looking forward to it.
I’m sure you’re not…
heh. Go ahead little troll. You may have the last word.
Thanks.
According to Alex Christoforou, there were 19 drones. 13 were shot down, 3 failed because of technical problems, 3 hit their targets in residential area causing some minor damage.
It is remarkable that Antiwar gives a link to Reuters not to Russian media.
Well, according to Russian media:
1. “the Russian invasion of Ukraine was just a western hype”
2. “Russia has not invaded Ukraine because Ukraine is not a country”
3. “Russia has not taken casualties”
4. Russia has not killed Ukrainian civilians and has not targeted civilian buildings”
5. “Russia has no tortured prisoners”
6. “Russia has destroyed all delivered western made weapons”
7. “They are not low on ammo”
8. ‘They never needed to mobilize troops”
9. “They are fighting Nazis and NATO troops”
10. “Basically, everything is going according to plans”
See, while western media might not be very reliable, the Russian media is just a complete fantasy. So I’ll take Reuters any day over RT news and TASS>
Think Nordstream. It has the smell of CIA Special Ops using Seals or Rangers. Again, probing to get a response.
Yeah, most likely to get locations of air defense systems.
Thanks, that’s exactly it.
When the folks in Gaza throw a few things at Israel indiscriminately like that there are cries of “Terrorism” bandied about quite a bit.
I’m sure the Ukrainians will be deemed the same because I’m pretty sure I saw a pig fly by and my feet are darn cold as something freezes over.
Doesn’t seem very wise. I would imagine the response will be worse.
This is a response. Russians wiped out pretty much all weapons and ammo shipments and killed a good number of top Pentagon brass in Kiev. They hit that bunker with something that registered as 3 on the seismograph.
Stop posting nonsense. If Pentagon generals were killed in Kyiv, it would be news that could not be suppressed. Generals can’t go missing for a year without anyone noticing.
Perhaps you should send few Trident Subs to Kiev to investigate.
It’s OK. More stuff is on its way:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/south-korean-artillery-supply-allows-u-s-to-delay-decision-on-cluster-munitions-for-ukraine-4e41c04b?st=axpf2dlw3keecrs&mod=e2twp
Rup Murduch’s rag? Wow. Yeah. This is pretty devastating. I have no idea how Russians going to recover from such brutal propaganda. Yeah, this is it. They are done. Surrendering tomorrow.
I don’t know which is worse. The commenters who regurgitate Kremlin propaganda or folks like you and Doom Stenz who just make shit up.
Pointing out your own pile of crap and dunking your face into it isn’t ‘making shcit up’
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/antiwar-news/russia_says_the_us_was_behind_drone_attack_on_the_kremlin/#comment-6177632357
or did you already forget your own comment? I have screenshots of it in case you want to get cute with edit button.
Russian Ivan blocked me a while ago cause he didn’t like my heat but as I can see, he, Stenz, and Critical T. are getting worse with their delusions. I get to see their nonsense when I first log in and it is amazing they still get likes and zero counters from the other moderate pro Russia folks.
It’s sometimes hard to sort out what likes/replies really mean. But in the case of Ivan, Sternz, and CT, the likes presumably come from the “I call myself anti-war but I’m a warmonger when it comes to any regime other than the US regime” crowd. Everyone else pretty much either ignores or mocks them.
Plus, some people give upvotes for certain parts of people’s comments while not necessarily agreeing with the whole thing. There are some good comments that have one stupid ass sentence in them that some of us overlook.
discussion/comments on antiwar gets frothy the longer they go, but in general most anti-war readers here are very concerned about escalations happening everywhere in this awful war. dogs of war are released, we need an off-ramp, as someone said. Is there some diplomacy answer to give combatants a way out … ? Is there some version of multipolarity that doesn’t have Russia smashin’ up Ukraine?
If I have understood the Russian views the problem is that they do not see it as a multipolar world but one of US hegemony. What they then want is a multipolar world which appears to be a world where they and powers like the Russian can dominate their neighbors and force choices upon them they would not opt for by themselves.
The main problem being that while the US very frequently does this to many countries, most of the countries that are neighbors to Russia would rather have US hegemony than Russian local dominance – think the wealth difference between western Germany and eastern Germany, if you want an explanation as to why many are of this opinion.
Sure Russia is not the Soviet Union, but then it is not significantly richer and/or the riches are so poorly distributed that it generates the same attitude towards the ‘Russian dominance option’.
Russia wants to have Ukraine recognize Crimea as Russian and LPR, DPR as independent – well now actually probably part of Russia that is the last demands in March 2022. The Ukrainians are free to accept this ‘offer’ but they seem unlikely to do so, more importantly there is not a chance that the West will end its sanctions on Russia if this kind of settlement is (forced) upon Ukraine.
The reasons that the west will not end sanctions are:
1) it would lead to big time nuclear proliferation
2) it would send a signal to Xi that taking Taiwan would not lead to permanent sanctions
3) it would lead to more countries executing their version of the SMO on neighbors.
That’s a fair assessment.
Who is everyone? You and your 3 little trolls?
Link?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ny14EZ4pXRfs/
That doesn’t tell me shit.
Did you expect to see corpses of Pentagon generals? This is evidence of a powerful strike in Kiev, nothing more.
If you’re going to tell me a good number of top Pentagon brass were killed in Kiev, I’d expect some proof.
Really? Well perhaps you can tell the occupational regime in Kiev to allow journalists to film results of Russian strikes? Imperial filth put people in prison for that.
Still hard to hide “a good number of top Pentagon brass” being killed. Partly because the bastards are too chicken shit to get that close.
The sooner Putin ends this war the better for all concerned , the fact is it should have been SHOCK & AWE from day one .
For what? To have more death and destruction in Ukraine? Kremlin should have started killing Pentagon filth in Syria instead of attacking Anglo-American proxies in Kiev. And as much as they want to end it, it can’t be done. Not without completely destroying the main perpetrator. The Anglo-American empire.
It’s either sudden death or death by a thousand cuts.
Take your pick.
I’d rather Kremlin or Beijing wipe out the parasites in US and England. But if that isn’t possible, quick decapitation of imperial regime would be preferable. Least harm to regular folks in US and England, basically.
Yes, the regular folks have nothing to worry about. Apparently, Russia has “smart” nukes that will only kill “the “parasites in US and England”.
You missed the point entirely. My argument is there is no need for nukes at all.
More insanity.
Right you are! Shock and Awe American style!
Wrong. No need for that.
Hardliners in the Russia military are not happy that did not happen.
Hardliners in Russia are calling for nuclear strike on Washington. Nobody is stupid enough to bomb Kiev just because it is infested with Pentagon filth.
Not stupid enough to bomb Kiev but they’ll nuke Washington? You can’t be serious with this shit.
Have you been asleep for the last year? Russians are screaming for it. They see US as the source of all evil.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qpoQB1zPimTF/
That doesn’t mean it isn’t stupidity. We’re all fucking dead if there is a nuclear war no matter how hard you pretend that won’t be the case.
Well then. It’s in your interest to remove the imperial filth in Washington and London from power.
It’s in everyone’s interest to remove the imperial filth in Washington, London, Moscow, Beijing, and a bunch of satrapies from power.
But that’s easier said than done.
Russians and Chinese already had regime changes in the last 100 years. (twice for Russians)
Don’t seem to be as difficult as you claim.
How difficult do I claim it is? (“Claim” is an odd term for you reading my mind)
The US had some regime change in 1963 as well.
And surely not for the better 🙁
Does it matter what Zelenski signs off?
There seems to be a mistake in this text. Attackk on Ukraine’s military intelligence services occured after drone strike on Moscow, not few days earlier,
So Russia is just gonna sit by and let one red line after another be crossed? Where are their balls? What are they gonna do when the f-16s arrive in Ukraine? What are they gonna do when British and American pilots are flying these f-16s over Russian airspace? Where is the off ramp? Escalation after escalation and there seems to be no end in sight
Russian war machine takes a while to charge up but when it starts rolling, there is nothing that can stop it. Anglo-American terrorists will soon get their fight.
Don’t mistake Russian restraint and patience for Russian weakness.
What are they gonna do when the f-16s arrive in Ukraine? Answer .. nuke the USA.
Nothing else of theirs works. What makes you think their nukes will?
Are you really so obtuse you believe the lies that Ukraine is winning?
It’s just a dumb troll. Fresh account. Most likely a clone of one of existing imperial trolls here.
Yep .. Eisenhower warned us the Military/Industrial Complex would steal our freedom and I suspect they have a whole lot of troll accounts to promote their illegal was in Ukraine.
Then why does Ukraine need so much help? And why worry about Putin moving on to Poland, or wherever, if Ukraine falls?
Numbers. Russia still has a significant number of tanks and APCs available (even though Ukraine recently reached 2000 Russian tanks destroyed).
No one is concerned with Russia moving on to anywhere anymore. (Those were pre-war concerns.)
“Numbers. Russia still has a significant number of tanks and APCs available (even though Ukraine recently reached 2000 Russian tanks destroyed)”
So, those things still work? Mustn’t be part of that “nothing else.
“No one is concerned with Russia moving on to anywhere anymore. (Those were pre-war concerns.)”
BULLSHIT!
This is from Feb. 2023. One year in.
“The Baltic states, Finland, Poland, and many other countries that were once part of Russia’s empire could be at risk of attack or subversion. Others could see challenges to their sovereignty in the future,” they wrote. “The war is about more than Ukraine. Kyiv is also fighting to protect other countries.”
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-could-attack-other-countries-if-wins-ukraine-russia-experts-2023-2
They operate minimally. in large numbers that could be somewhat of a threat. The “help” you refer to reinforces my point about their equipment’s ineffectiveness actually. They’ve received modern, western battle tanks that DO work — instead of continuing to receive T-model garbage.
About Russia’s “threat” of moving on. Please attach a recent article with someone’s concern for Russia invading another country…
The only thing “reinforced” is your inability to prove your point.
And I already edited my comment to give you an example of the fear Russia will move on to other countries if Ukraine falls. And it’s from 2023. How many do you want?
My intent was to clarify my request — not to move-the- goalposts.
If there IS concern out there that Russia will invade another country, it is misplaced.
Thing is that in 1929 the fear that Germany might again attack its neighbors was equally misplaced, but just 10 years later and that fear was proven correct. Russia may not right now represent a great threat, but to countries like Moldova or Georgia even a very much weakened Russia is still much more than they can cope with.
You say you don’t want to move the goalposts and then you move the goalposts.
Although that’s recent, I’ll argue it’s prior to the total failure of the Russian winter offensive.
I should have requested articles or interviews in which military and/or civilian leaders express concern for Russian invasion. (Writers in publications like Foreighn Affairs make their living off of hyperbole and fear-mothering.)
Lindsey Graham:
“Here’s what Putin wants to do: He wants to recreate the Soviet Union.”
Joe Biden:
“He has much larger ambitions than Ukraine. He wants to, in fact, reestablish the former Soviet Union. That’s what this is about. And I think that his ambitions are completely are contrary to the place where the rest of the world has arrived.”
Antony Blinken:
“You don’t need intelligence to tell you” that establishing a new Soviet Union is “exactly” what Putin wants, Blinken told “CBS Evening News” anchor Norah O’Donnell.
When were those comments made?
Also, with the upcoming Ukrainian
counteroffensive not yet underway, any concerns may be rendered moot.
They weren’t made before the invasion. And it wouldn’t matter anyway. It’s called bullsh*t propaganda and it works. You’re a perfect example of that.
Nice try but you really should qualify your examples.
Right. It’s all Western propaganda. (I’m pretty sure that’s only response you tankies have.) Russia has stalled in their offensive and you think that’s just the MSM feeding us lies. I get information from different sources. Do you? And how is it that tankies cherry-pick info that they never consider might be Russian propaganda? C’mon, man!
I gave you quotes from officials like you asked. Refute them.
I wasn’t talking about Russia’s offensive. I was talking about the idiocy of Western officials saying Putin wanted to recreate the Soviet Union. I gave you examples of that and then you changed the subject. And isn’t it odd that Putin can one day be a bumbling fool near death and the next day be on the verge of conquering Europe? But, silly me to think we’re being fed a load of propaganda and I’m just cherry picking. And your sources are obvious.
No. You tried to refute my implication with examples that you can’t qualify as far as when they were said. I wholeheartedly admit the world thought Putin could keep going into Poland, Latvia, or Lithuania. Not now though. ( I used the failure of the winter offensive to support my point. Something you did not do.)
It would take up space to list our resources but if you insist I will. (To which I would ask the same from you.)
On a daily basis I try to read: Guardian, Haaretz, and Al Jazeera. (Hardly considered MSM.) I sometimes read Le Monde and Der Spiegel but not too often. A lot of my insight about Russia’s military capabilities come from the Defense Post and Mark Sumner at Dailykos.
I’ll await your list. (RT and Pravda perhaps?)
All three were right after the invasion. And since then, Biden has sent billions in aide, Graham has called for Putin’ assassination and Blinken hasn’t done a stitch of diplomacy. Why, I thought Russia was a paper tiger? Obviously, they haven’t changed their nonsensical fear of Putin being a scourge who wants to take over the entirety of Europe. The rhetoric hasn’t changed to reflect any claim you have made as far as the fear of Russia being gone since the invasion took place. Actually, it’s been the opposite and ratcheted up.
I get my news here. Period.
Over a year ago. (Thank you for proving my original comment true.
BTW, nobody is saying now that Russia is a paper tiger. They are dangerous to Ukraine but not to anyone else. They also have been exposed as a second-rate military. Their Air Force doesn’t fly over Ukraine. Their army has been halted by territorial defense forces. And they have a capital ship sitting on the bottom of the Black Sea.
Diplomacy can only begin after Putin vacates the territory he has illegally obtained. If he says pulling his troops out of that area, the UN would be in a better position to pressure Ukraine to negotiate a settlement. Has Putin done this? No.
You: “No one is concerned with Russia moving on to anywhere anymore. (Those were pre-war concerns.)”
And then you say no one thinks Russia is a paper tiger before giving reasons why Russia is a paper tiger.
Putin isn’t leaving whether you or I like it or not. Ukraine will be smaller than pre-invasion. Otherwise, there will be a frozen conflict or an all-out war. Ukraine will wish Boris stayed the fuck away back in late March of ’22 when this is all over. And that’s a sad thing.
Yet you seem to relish it. You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You really have no idea what the outcome is going to be.
I’m curious. Is Russia a threat or not? So you want to prove they are or aren’t?
I’m thinking you are so caught up in being a tankie that you can’t see my reasoning. Russia IS a threat to Ukraine (but not an overwhelming threat). Russia IS NOT a threat — conventionally — to the rest of the world. Therefore they are not a paper-tiger to Ukraine but they are a paper-tiger to the world. Did I help you see my point yet or is it still too difficult?
No, I don’t relish in it, and I didn’t say a damn thing that indicates that I do. And no, I don’t talk out of both sides of my mouth. I’ve been consistent since the invasion started.
My opinion is that Russia isn’t leaving Ukraine as Ukraine was before the invasion. It doesn’t matter whether I think Russia is a threat or not. Conventionally or otherwise.
And your reasoning/point is all over the map. You don’t know what propaganda to believe since the propaganda you swallow is all over the map just like you. Coincidence? I think not.
Daily Kos?
Seriously?
🤣
The response I’d expect from a MAGA kook.
Yeahhhhh, like you actually know me, pal!
Daily Kos is the biggest shitlib site on the internet. Try reading someone with common sense and a brain. I strongly suggest you begin with Caitlin Johnstone.
I know your type your whole lot reeks of cigarettes and disappointment. You people still haven’t figured out why your grandkids stopped talking to you in 2018.
Asshole. You know NOTHING.
The only thing you got right is that I smoke, lol.
I have no reason to feel “disappointment “ concerning how my life turned out. I’ve been married for 42 years. My husband had a very good job at GM and I had jobs in the botanical industry which I enjoyed.
We have a lovely farm with 50+ fruit trees and extensive gardens; we eat what we grow and donate the excess.
A number of years ago I achieved my lifelong dream of having my very own horse.
We are at one with Mother Nature, have created a haven here for wildlife, while you’re probably stuck in a shitty apartment 😝
Wars, are you turned on to Consortium News yet? If not, please check it out. It’s my best news source and I know you’d enjoy reading it.
“the total failure of the Russian winter offensive”
lol you mean total failure of your propaganda about Russian moves? Nobody in Kremlin planned any kind of ‘winter offensive’, that’s your degenerate war fantasy that evaporated.
Dearest Wars, you know I luv ya. But Putin, IMHO, is not trying to reestablish the Soviet Union. Why would he want the entirety of Ukraine with its belligerent population, not to mention Poland?
Give Putin Crimea, which has already voted to become part of the Russian Federation, and the Russian ethnic east ( or allow them to declare independence from Ukraine). But the Regime, whom Zelensky answers to, will not allow this.
Therefore, again IMHO, it’s the Regime who is prolonging this war, because we’re willing to send endless instruments of death, but are NOT willing to sit our sorry asses down and NEGOTIATE.
Which should come as no surprise to anyone, since our POTUS ( Piece Of Tyrannical Unrelenting Sh*t) is an old warmonger from way back.
And I don’t think Putin is trying to reestablish the Soviet Union either. I’m not sure what might have given you that idea.
^^^^
Knocks self upside the head
Guess I misunderstood your reply to Rational Thinker, Wars. My bad.
Yes. I was referring to that as bullshit propaganda.
😞
And I reiterate, my friend: I wish someone would step up and help the Palestinians to de-colonize their territory.
Perhaps Iran, eventually, even though they are Persians, not Arabs.
I wouldn’t. Exterminate all Pentagon grunts in Syria first with good media support. If Whashington responds, nuke London. Exponential 10:1 escalation should show that gloves are off. If done properly, even English royalty will remain alive. The internal pressure will simply tear the Anglo-American regime to pieces.
That is insane.
Insane was expanding North American Terrorist Occupation. Insane was dismemberment of Yugoslavia. Insane was invading Ukraine and killing local population for 8 years. We’re passed that point. Don’t get me wrong. I’d like for US troops to come home safe. They would be the victims in all this. Issuing a clear warning that massive retaliation is at hand if imperials continue their aggression in Eurasia but warnings don’t work with imperial parasites. I would prefer to have these cities intact and just exterminate the warmongering pests but that seems unlikely.
Telling me about other insanity doesn’t make what you said any less insane.
“If Washington responds, nuke London”
Pure insanity.
If you have any other recommendations on dealing with a terrorist empire, I’m all ears.
Empty platitudes and official warnings don’t work. It’s been tried for 8 long years. This filth only understand the language of force.
Nukes aren’t the answer.
Then WTF is?!
I don’t need to know what doesn’t work. I asked you for solutions.
I don’t have any. I’ll have less if I’m dead.
Well, in that case you better move away from city centers. Russians are talking about terminating diplomatic relations with England. You know what that means…
That’s the difference between me and you. I don’t believe being anywhere will be safe.
“I would prefer to have these cities intact and just exterminate the warmongering pests but that seems unlikely.”
More like impossible. While millions of other Non warmongering pests die.
Right. So we all should just sit here and trust the plan?
I believe Russia has finally entered the “f**k around and find out” phase of their war.of aggression.
Want to guess who gave them the logistics info??
Mongols. They have a network of spy satellites over Russia.
The Ukrainian ‘drone attack’ on Moscow was a complete failure. It achieved nothing for Kiev, except a lot of hot air on twitter and in western media – both meaningless in real terms.
All it will lead to is further destruction of Ukraine’s own military and leadership.
The Russians have warned many times that they haven’t really started yet. Mistaking Russian restraint for weakness is extremely foolish.
It doesn’t matter who is responsible, it matters that it happened and Russia has zero control over it.
The de-nazifier is getting de-nazified.
It’s called war Tit for Tat and Putin can end this now by Pulling his incompetent Army out of Ukraine.
Gerald Celente is right .. Whan all else fails, they take you to war.
“Drone Swarm Hits Moscow in Largest Attack on the City of the War – Russian authorities said eight drones were downed and there were only two minor injuries ”
If 卐lensky keeps poking the bear he will wake up dead someday! If Russia doesn’t eliminate him then his own people might just hang him like Mussolini was eliminated in the 1940s.
It looks like Russia cares more for Ukrainian citizens than 卐lensky dows!
“They are provoking us into taking mirror actions. We’ll se what we can do about it. Yet, Ukrainian citizens, who of course have no say about anything now, since Ukraine has unleashed a total terror against its civilian population, must realize what the incumbent authorities are pushing for,” Putin said.
I blame it on the US neoCONs.
Good news soon NEOCONS will not exist, other news we will most likely also not exist along with the rest of humanity!
Don’t be so dramatic. We survived a whole bunch of nuke tests in the 60s. We will survive without Washington and London. Humanity will be fine without Anglo-American empire. More than fine most likely. Humanity will prosper! We just need to make sure that this parasitic empire is dead and never recovers and nothing like it ever rise again anywhere else.
Yes, and just Washington and London will be gone. The rest of the world will be intact and they will all live happily ever after. There might be some real climate issues but everyone will be more than fine. Got it.
Did we have much climate issues from nuke tests?
And you think a nuclear war will be the same? Seriously?
There wont be a nuclear war because imperial parasites are COWARDS!
The world will be far better off without Washington and London, Ivan, and let’s toss Noo Yawk in there as well.
Uncle Vlad is NOT happy about these attempted drone strikes: over at RT is a piece concerning how the heads of Europe are begging him not to use them as an “excuse to escalate”.
Good f*cking luck with that, EU!
I don’t want these cities destroyed. I don’t know much about London but Washington is a pretty city. NuYawk have it’s own charm as well. It’s insane to nuke entire city, kill millions of innocent people just to exterminate few parasites. Both Kremlin and Beijing have enough assets in US and England to make a quick and efficient clean up with minimal collateral damage. A simple pest control operation.
Agree, Ivan. I don’t want ANYPLACE nuked. Your last sentence is exactly how I interpret it… a “clean-up” operation.
Ouch!
Most likely, those drones were launched from inside Russia. There are a lot of people in Russia who are working for NATO, not for Kiev regime. Kiev regime is a puppet regime. NATO uses it also as a scapegoat.
You probably got that assessment right with the exception of NATO. There are many anti Putin regime Russians with nothing to lose and willing to risk it all to see Putin gone.
“They are provoking us into taking mirror actions”
MOOOOOOMMMMMMM! He hit me BACK! WAHHHHHHHH!!!!
Making fun of them doesn’t change the fact that they can escalate further and it’s pretty stupid to dare them to.
This remark is oozing maturity when it comes to international political affairs.
Be realistic. Volodimor isn’t significant enough to make own wardrobe decisions.
But yeah, it’s coming and not only for him but all treasonous rats who sold Ukraine to Anglo-American parasites. And not only in Ukraine. There is a potent brew developing in all of Europe. Turks putting plastic bags over the heads of Pentagon grunts will seem like a birthday party in comparison.
Putin Calls Moscow Drone Attack a ‘Terrorist’ Act.
I’d say Putin is a delusional dictator but that’s giving him a pass. Instead I’d say he is straight up douchebag thug.
Attacks on Moscow are supposed to create solidarity among Russians, according to all the glamor war stories I read when young and impressionable.
The white house is talking out of both sides of it’s mouth. They’ve also said “We’re not going to tell Ukrainians how to use the equipment we’re giving them”.
US/NATO was again targeting civilians in Belgorod region……they were doing what throughout history western armies have done when defeated, murder as many civilians as they can.
The Western Powers will face war crimes tribunals.
I guess technically you’re right that western armies throughout history have murdered civilians as they’ve been defeated. But one must wonder why you specifically called out western armies?
Do you not recall the terrorist campaigns of the Vietcong, or the mongol terrorism tactics, or Japanese kamikaze?
Why can’t people just accept the problem is war and not just “western” war?
The Russian MOD is fighting a very successful war of attrition disarming NATO (Ukraine was disarmed in March 2022), tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. Russia now will fight NATO to the last European.
At the May 9th Victory Day Parade Vladimir Putin has included the De-occupation of Ukraine as an objective of the SMO. The SMO now will achieve De-Nazification, Demilitarisation and De-Occupation of Ukraine.
If the Ukrainian people want their sovereignty back then they need to remove NATO who has illegally occupied Ukraine since the coup in 2014.
NATO overall has accumulated the following equipment losses;
429 Aircraft, 235 helicopters, 4390 UAV’s, 424 Anti Aircraft systems, 9345 tanks inc. APC’s, 1103 multiple rocket launchers, 4946 rocket launchers and 10574 military automotive equipment.
What the empire looses in the Ukraine, they loose for the final Russian attack on NATO. Russia has shown they will pre-emptively attack to defend the Motherland when the time is dictated by events on the ground.
right then. last month the news was that Russia is getting their own drones from Iran who are supposed wizards of drone technology. isn’t it past time to blow Iran off the middle-east map? WTF uncle sam are you waiting for.
edit) = notice there is a brand new contrary-man commenting around here.
he must have blisters on his keyboard fingers already – i wonder if those guys get paid by the word.
Kind of like self-flagellation, Spy 😉
Some folks are just gluttons for punishment….
It is welcome news that Putin realizes and publicly explains that the whole point of this is to provoke Russia into doing something against its own best interests. It is done to manipulate Russia.
What? Ukraine’s only hope now has become to drag others into its fight, to force NATO to fight Russia.
How? Get Russia to strike at NATO.
Putin so far declines to be drawn.
Of course, people like Nuland within the US government want NATO to be drawn in. They are looking for an excuse.
A delightfully spirited discussion boys and girls, thank you for that. Lots of brain-damaged blather … of course … the inevitable result of propaganda and partisanship and emotionalism. But entertaining nonetheless.
For the record I am fully aligned with Ivan’s point of view. I’m a full-on Putin Fanboy. I consider him the preeminent statesman on the world stage today. And Xi the preeminent technocratic leader.
The declining West is gripped in madness, as the multipolar Eurasian era begins.
Thomas’s comment that some people claim to be anti-war until a war breaks out, at which time they reveal themselves to be pro-war … pro-war for their side. However, having picked a side, Thomas is projecting.
It would be more accurate to say that everyone is anti-war (excepting Lindsey Graham and the like), until war breaks out. Then one has to assess the situation, and decide among other things, who is in the right, and what is just versus moral versus pragmatic. How to avoid escalation (particularly important in this era of nuclear weapons) and how to bring the violence to an end. Sadly, that all too frequently involves supporting some degree of continued military action. Personally, I’m a strong believer in immediate unconditional surrender. In that view however, it seems I’m in the minority.
Scipio for his part is one of the more cool-headed and rational folks. His participation, like Bianca’s is valued. Kudos.
Lots of frothy emotionalism — ie childish dick-waving .. from both sides: “Nuke London and New York!”, “Shock and awe!”, etc … not going to happen.
Here’s reality: (frustration and impatience from the sidelines is irrelevant.)
Putin is cool-headed. Patience is his principal “weapon”. Time is not merely on Russia’s side, but the principal factor for bringing the conflict to a successful — and minimally destructive — end for Russia.
Russia must not merely defeat Ukraine, it must defeat the Neocon-dominated West. Consequently Russia has chosen patience and forbearance, to stand back and let NATO throw everything it has into the Ukraine theater, where Russia, from behind its defensive wall can destroy it all … from a safe distance. Russia will suffer casualties. As it must. But it accepts that price. This is war after all.
For the Europeans, their willing participation in the Neocon war against Russia, where they were promised a quick victory, has gone very badly. To the point of a total reversal. The hoped-for victory long ago evaporated. Now with every passing day, Europe is suffering … wait for it … ***DEFEAT***. “Hoist on their own petard!” … economically, politically, strategically(ie militarily).
The Neocon-dominated West is being defeated. Their military resources are being exhausted. (Which is vital, because this is a war between the neocon-dominated West and Russia.) Their artillery stores gone, they are forced to call on South Korea and Israel for resupply.
The dribs and drabs of new equipment — tanks, Patriot etc AD, missiles of various sorts, f-16’s soon, cluster weapons after that perhaps — promise a financial bonanza for the military industrial complex, but little impact on the battlefield.
Russia will ignore provocations and inch forward ahead of its defensive wall and destroy it all. When the Ukrainian army finally collapses and NATO, defeated, humiliated and helpless, has little left then with which to defend itself, Russia will “Extend the Olive Branch” and “negotiate” the terms of surrender.
Patience. Patience is all.
“The powerful do as they wish, the weak suffer as they must.” Thucydides
War is, if anything, unpredictable. So, perhaps I will be proven wrong. That said, I shall wait for the fat lady to sing.
“However, having picked a side, Thomas is projecting.”
Yes, I’ve picked a side — the side of peace.
As for which regime makes out better or worse in the Russia-Ukraine gang brawl, I couldn’t care less.
Of course you couldn’t care less about people dying in Ukraine. Like Lindsey, you’re probably happy about it. You only care about pitiful existence of degenerate, imperial parasites who start wars. You want peace for them.
Incorrect. My sympathies are ENTIRELY with the people dying, while you’re in the tank for one of the gangs joyfully murdering them.
Don’t lie, at least to yourself. You don’t any sympathies, for anyone. You lost your humanity in basic training or rather it was knocked out of you. You’re a murderer and talk like a murderer defending wars of your terrorist empire.
I don’t have a terrorist empire, and don’t have any desire to acquire one.
Nor do I defend the wars of the terrorist empire that happens to rule the territory I live on.
As for my sympathies, I’ll include in my prayers tonight that hope that you seek and find treatment for your dissociative disorders.
We all want peace, Thomas. We’re ready for the curtain to drop on this sh*tshow. People are dying.
But so long as ZelBoy is taking his orders from brain dead ByeDone and the UK’s PM du jour, it ain’t a-gonna happen.
Good post but I’m not a Putin fanboy. I hate all politicians equally. Politics is a disgusting, useless job for lying psychopaths.
I’m on the side of Eurasian Alliance because decadent, eugenicist, genocidal, misanthropic empire must be destroyed. I’m on their side because they are the best hope for peace.
Fair enough. Peace.