US officials have told The New York Times that they believe the drone attack on the Kremlin that took place earlier this month was likely carried out by one of Ukraine’s special military or intelligence units.
The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said they did not know which Ukrainian unit carried out the attack or if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was aware of the operation. Moscow said the drone attack was an attempt on President Vladimir Putin’s life.
The report came after Vadym Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, told the German publication Welt that Ukrainian intelligence is trying to kill Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The Kremlin drone attack was part of Ukraine’s broad covert campaign inside Russia, which includes assassinations and attacks in Russian regions near the Ukrainian border.
The US officials said they believe Ukraine has been responsible for the assassination of the daughter of the Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin, Darya Dugina, and the killing of a Russian blogger and war correspondent, Vladlen Tatarsky.
The US officials also believe the Ukrainians are behind the frequent attacks in Russian towns near the border, including a raid on Monday that was launched using US armored vehicles by Russians who have been fighting for Kyiv. One group, known as the Russian Volunteer Corps, has members who are open neo-Nazis.
According to the Times, the officials said they don’t think Zelensky signs off on each covert action and suspect the Ukrainian president “and his top aides have set the broad parameters of the covert campaign, leaving decisions about who and what to target to the security services and their operatives.”
Ukraine’s attacks inside Russia risk a major escalation of the war, especially since Moscow believes the operations are being supported by the US. After the Kremlin drone attack, Moscow said the “decisions to carry out such actions” are being made in Washington.
More lies. Look assuming Kiev was behind this, only 2 scenarios emerge – #1 Ukraine did this unilaterally with no consultation: if so, it’s quite clear that they’ve gone rogue and can no longer be supported by any rational nation, or #2 Ukraine did this with full backing of DC after consulting : if so, Washington is complicit in the attack and will face consequences for it.
I lean #2. After all look what the lunatics in Washington did with Nord Stream 2.
Either way, Moscow will know exactly who is behind it. They’ll retaliate at a time of their choosing.
#3. The Nazis recognize that within the existing parameters of Washington proxy war they’re lost. Their only hope lies in chancing WWIII, full on NATO-Russia war. Thence the emerging pattern of provocation to enrage popular Russia to throw out the cool heads and install Medvedev in the hope he would do something like “shock & awe” on Kiev or Warsaw and kindle a wider war.
Why would we lie?
Why poke the Russian bear into retaliation?
The comedian does not have very smart friends……..
Right, and in the past they were so smart. Bay of Pigs smart, for one famous example. Bin Laden was their guy, for another more recent example.
Some clown probably believes they’ll get Russia to hit back and they’ll turn it into a huge deal thereby creating a reason to escalate.
I bet a intern came up with the idea.
I like how CIA points to a propped up autocratic regime in billions and says they did it.
“US officials have told The New York Times ”
“The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity…”
Dave DeCamp lost me there.
Who cares if it is true?
This gives Russia a reason to go after the comedian and other Ukrainian politicians with a few missiles/drones of their own.
I bet Russia might be a little more succesful than your boys.
We might wonder why US officials have decided to share this though.
They have to know Russia will react so why are they poking the bear?
Perhaps because your bear invaded and annexed the land of a sovereign country under false pretenses.
Whatever…
This claim opens up Ukraine to so-called Russian “terror attacks” (Ukraine’s “attacks” are called that in Russia so let’s reciprocate by calling Russia’s the same)
now.
Honestly what are they thinking by announcing this new strategy?
Hope for Ukrainians?
Some other silly thing?
Ukraine has not been a sovereign country since February 2014. Stop acting like a gullible fool.
I expect Putin to look at this with a cold, calculating eye.
Would Russia be better off with Zelinsky doing his act, or with him dead and the Nazis now in the background more publicly in charge.
For example, Russia seems to have wanted the Bakhmut “meat grinder” to go on, since they actually gave it that operational name, and that seems to have been a pet project of Zelinsky and his closest buddies.
Bakhmut was a great means to eat up Ukranian resources without using regular troops to do it.
Except that lots of regular troops were used to do it. Including at least one regular Russian army infantry division that was, for all practical purposes, exterminated.
20,000 dead mercenaries (or whatever is the proper Russian word for them) is better than 20,000 regulars for many reasons as is using them to burn up Ukranian troops and arms doing it.
Kind of an ugly way of fighting a war but that’s just my western morals speaking.
So that fake General and politician) did not use his troops to take it and will be replaced by Regulars?
Why do you always take my words so literally?
Did I state there were none at all? Does not the Fake General get the “win”?
He isn’t exactly sharing it with the regular army is he?
Please stop being so nitpicky; this isn’t a competition to find something one to work into a Imaginary World taunt.
I can do that too but that’s a face-to-face type thing with me except for the more foolish here.
You made a claim.
You made it multiple times.
It was an incorrect claim, so I corrected it.
Of course, you’re free to ignore my corrections. Or to stop making claims so bizarrely disconnected from the real world that I can’t resist the temptation to correct them.
Give me a break. I wrote comments consisting of just a few sentences and you want fucking nuance to share a fucking complete picture that everyone
already knows about.
You might have all the time in the world as you sit and wait for another comment to be posted while you devote yourself to
Fleshing stuff out with nuance but I’m not going to.
Russia used Wagner to take the brunt of that battle, with the fake general claiming he lost 20,000 doing it and I was discussing him. But you want me to remind everyone he did not do it without a little help from the regulars….
I will let you do the history lessons …..
No, you are making the claim that by not mentioning the role regular troops played I’m claiming they played no role.
You are answering something you created.
You want me to devote time to describing a complete picture that almost everyone knows while I was focused on how Russia used that force instead of regulars to take the city while using up a boatload of Ukrainian men and resources.
Anal today are we?
You do know how annoying it is to have the moderator picking apart posts as if they have “got you” with an air of superiority for complete bull shit like this?
You ignore my main point to play this game?
Well, that’s the thing: You “focused on how Russia used that force instead of regulars to take the city,” when that was manifestly not the case. Regulars were heavily involved in taking the city, at great cost. Continuing to repeat something that’s simply bullshit won’t make it cease to be bullshit.
Ah, here we go with the “moderator with air of superiority” attempts to distract from the fact that you were simply and irrefutably wrong.
As for what I “want” from you, the answer is “nothing.” Do what you like, and I won’t be bothered either way. Just as I’ll do what I like, whether it bothers you or not.
The fake General shares he’s “handing over the city” to the regular army yet you the moderator wants me when sharing about his taking the city and how he used up a lot of Ukrainians at a claimed 2 to 5 ratio I must include those Russian troops in those thoughts?
Because you the moderator believes somehow I believe there were no regulars involved at all by not sharing about them in a one paragraph posts of a few sentences?
Moderators might have time in their day constructing big long posts that include everything you believe needs to be clear to you personally but you have to be kidding.
You sure do spend a lot of time fantasizing that there’s something I want from you.
There’s nothing I want from you.
A little less whining about how very special you are and how I’m such a mean ol’ poopyhead for daring to have ideas that differ from yours would be nice, I guess, but not important enough to really merit wanting.
Prigozhin said he was handing over Wagner’s positions to the regular army.
And the week before that he was complaining about regular army units abandoning their positions under pressure.
Wagner played a significant role in taking Bakhmut. That role might even be stretched beyond “significant” to “preminent.” Probably not — Prigozhin is probably just better at public relations and less restrained by orders from above than most regular army officers — but maybe.
Wagner was only one component of a much larger force which also included lots of regular Russian army troops as well as LPR and DPR militia. That’s just a fact. You don’t have to like the fact that it’s a fact. It will remain a fact whether you like the fact that it’s a fact or not.
I was once again comenting on the story and neglected to flesh out my point to meet your approval for completeness.
Do you realize how annoying it is to have this site’s moderator to be nitpicking my comments?
Did you nitpick that Danish fool’s claim the Brits did not need our nor Russia’s help in WW2 in his replies to me or am I just your project today?
You don’t have to meet my approval. But no, it wasn’t a matter of “neglecting to flesh out your point.” It was a matter of you making a risible claim in complete contradiction of the known facts, then doubling, then tripling down on it instead of just correcting it. Which is entirely your prerogative — my approval is not required.
As I’ve notified you several times, if you don’t want to be annoyed by me, you can put me on ignore any time you like. You prefer to whine instead. Which is entirely your prerogative — my approval is not required.
I was doing some thinking about that other sub-thread. I think michael was a little off. It’s at least possible that the Germans could have starved Britain into submission and suing for peace before the Russians rolled into Berlin, absent US convoys and assistance in suppressing the U-Boat threat to their lines of sustenance. But after the Battle of Britain and the cancellation of Operation Sea Lion, they weren’t going to take it by invasion.
No he shared the Brits would have liberated Denmark but you have been paying way more attention to your claim that I have no idea Russian troops were involved in that city which has been your interest today. I did not make a mistaken claim by not mentioning those troops but you sure seem to be demanding I tell you that I had no idea they were there.
Why don’t you take your moderator hat over to our Danish friend and tell him he is an idiot?
Please don’t get huffy because I keep mentioning your roll here because otherwise hanging out being on a site for 16 hours a day to be the guy who always incerts himself into threads is not a better look than what you are doing now.
I missed any contention on his part that the Brits would have liberated Denmark unaided by the US. Yeah, that’s stupid.
You did mention “those troops” (Russian regulars) — to assert that they weren’t there and were “in barracks” while Wagner took Bakhmut. And you were completely wrong.
My moderator hat is for moderating. Since idiocy isn’t against our guidelines, I’m not wearing my “moderator hat” when I take notice of it.
I did not fully explain the situation assuming most knew it and it did not matter to the point being made. You seem to want to find anything you believe isn’t quite right and do a gotcha to just show how much you know don’t you?
I made a point, you perceive it to be wrong and you must prove me wrong, right?
That way you can show everyone just how smart you are.
Unfortunately for you most around here have observed you doing this and realize that is what you do as a matter of course.
How come you get to use sh it and my comment is still pending?
You as a mod can see it and reply to it with the same naughty word but my reply to you shows pending.
Are some animals more equal than others?
(I just made that up;-)
Yes, I can reply to it with the same naughty word.
And when I do, it will be put into “pending.”
Just like when you use it.
And when I go to pending and my comment is there, I will approve it. Just like I approve yours.
Pretending that Bakhmut was a Russian “meat grinder” of Ukrainian troops was just the excuse for taking eight months to get the job done.
Why? Sounds normal to me.
Of course it does.
Am I missing something here, Don? Or are you? What isn’t “normal” about speaking on the condition of anonymity?
In time, I will respond to this question.
I guess you’re trying to find a pro-Russian slant on what I said. Hint: There isn’t any. Or if you think I’m condoning that practice, I don’t. But information doesn’t pass anymore without it being from an anonymous source.
Anonymous = Jake Sullivan.
Translation. US is directly responsible.
NYT: “US Officials Say Ukraine Was Behind Drone Attack on Kremlin.” If we’re actually paying salaries for the Ukrainians who are behind the attack, then we are behind the Ukrainians who are behind the attack. My question to NYT: Was that what you set out to prove in this article? …What’s that? …No? Then you accomplished something more difficult than the motto of “be all you can be.” You proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are even more stupid than you could be. But don’t worry, you’re still not as stupid as the people who believe your articles. (Sarcasm alert)
“US officials have told The New York Times that they believe the drone attack on the Kremlin that took place earlier this month was likely carried out by one of Ukraine’s special military or intelligence units.”
Then they aren’t very “special” and they aren’t very “intelligent”. Did they think Vlad sleeps at the Kremlin? And what, pray tell, did they expect the reaction to be? Still sounds like bullsh*t. They just couldn’t be that stupid.
Psychological warfare. If they had the blessing of the US for the attack (they most likely did) it let the Russian public know Moscow can be hit. I’m sure Putin has a bunker in the Kremlin. After the attack, I’d bet he’s using it more.
The US knew nothing about this? Right, like Hogan’s Heroes of my childhood TV time.
American covert operators have told the same lies about every war they’ve meddled in, starting in Ukraine right after WW2, though Laos and Cuba, and on into so many more (Afghan against the Soviets including recruiting bin Laden).
By now, the only sensible thing is to refuse to believe them about anything.
Hogan’s Heroes = US exceptionalism on full display. All other nations were sidekicks. The dumb Russians were German at the time but since then lost their humor and now fight with shovels. (Sarcasm)
I see nuthinks