The Ukrainian intelligence service says it’s attempting to kill Russian President Vladimir Putin. A high-ranking official admitted to actively plotting the Russian leader’s assassination after a recent drone attack on the Kremlin.
“Putin is noticing that we are getting closer and closer to him,” Vadym Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate, told Welt in an interview. He added, Putin is number one on the kill list “because he coordinates and decides what happens.”
The Ukrainian intelligence official claimed his agency had failed to kill Putin because he “stays holed up.” Skibitsky suggested another attempt could be made soon as the Russian leader “is now beginning to stick his head out.”
Ukrainian officials have admitted to previously attempting to kill Putin. Last year, Kyrylo Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate, in an interview with Ukrainska Pravda claimed, “There was an attempt to assassinate Putin…[It was an] Absolutely unsuccessful attempt, but it really happened… It was about [March 2022].”
Three weeks ago, two unmanned aerial vehicles were downed over the Kremlin, where Putin keeps an office. Although, the Russian leader was not present at the complex when the attack occurred. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Moscow considered the drones to be an assassination attempt against Putin.
In the first month of the war, then-Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett engaged Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in talks that nearly ended the war. The peace talks were blocked by Washington, but Putin pledged not to target Zelensky with any assassination attempts during those talks. The Kremlin appears to have upheld that agreement until the most recent attempt on Putin’s life.
It is unclear if Moscow will continue to abide by the pledge. Zelensky has spent several weeks outside of his nation, traveling to allied countries and meeting with his counterparts.
In response to the drone attack on the Kremlin, Dmitry Medvedev, a high-ranking Russian defense official, called for Zelensky’s “physical elimination.” A statement from Putin’s office said, “Russia reserves the right to take countermeasures wherever and whenever it deems appropriate.”
Skibitsky revealed another name on Kiev’s kill list is Wagner Group head Yevgeny Prigozhin. “We’re trying to kill him.” He added, “Our priority is to eliminate [Prigozhin] who orders his men to attack.”
The intelligence official went on to name two more targeted high-ranking officials in Moscow. “But in the end, everyone will have to answer for their actions.” He continued, “Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu planned the attack and now they cannot turn back.”
Welt asked Skibitsky if civilians in Russia could be added to the kill list. “We are at war and these are our enemies. If an important figure manufactures and finances weapons for [Russia], then his elimination would save the lives of many civilians,” he said. “According to international conventions, this is a legitimate goal.”
The US government believes Kiev has already carried out targeted assassinations inside Russia. Last year, Darya Dugina was killed by a car bomb. It is suspected her father, Alexander Dugin was the target of the attack.
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Oh Sullivan, Blinken, Nuland, and Biden… this and that.
I don’t see Russia going after Zelensky. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. But the Ukrainian intelligence officers? If I were them I’d make sure that all my affairs were in order.
Tell that to the Kremlin folks.
I don’t need to.
Is the parliament building of Ukraine still standing..?? If so why…???? One would think it would be rubble on DAY ONE. Had I been running the war that building would have fallen on day one. But I don’t know or understand Slavic culture. So this tells me the Russians and Putin has a vision of a reborn Ukraine, free of the pernicious Nazi & Neocon hate of Russia. Putin is a cool headed man and could have obliterated Ukraine day one. I Trust his judgement WAAAAAY more more than the brain dead Biden…. I just pray we survive his Neocon delusions driven dementia..!!!
It is useful to have someone who can surrender, and some symbols of legitimacy to use in running the rump state.
Putin is cool headed?
If he is? He is a cool headed idiot and/or STAGGERINGLY arrogant.
1) he voluntarily embarked on this pathetically stupid (and immoral) invasion.
Not only has Russia failed to conquer Ukraine. They did not even come CLOSE. And that was before NATO aid started pouring in.
And please save the tired excuse ‘he trusted his generals’.
First – bad advice or not. It was his decision to attack. The responsibility is his alone.
Second – it was OBVIOUS before the invasion that Russia was not militarily strong enough to conquer Ukraine before NATO could intervene. They are a shadow of their former Soviet-era days.
If a nobody like me (and LOTS of other people) knew this?
Then Putin should have.
2) Russia has lost over 20,000 troops killed.
Plus, they have lost GIGANTIC numbers of weapons systems.
3) additionally, the Russian economy has fallen into a full-blown economic depression. https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
ALL this death, destruction and extreme economic cost to Russia because of his INCREDIBLY STUPID decision to voluntarily invade Ukraine.
And this is your idea of a man who is ‘cool-headed’?
Well, put it in perspective over time. He’s been in power to one degree or another for a quarter century, and this is his first really major international military fiasco (while the annexation of Chechnya seems to have been a long-term clusterfuck, at least it got done).
Except when they did:
Anything that starts out with “Ukraine says…” should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.
likewise anything coming from someone russian with the name Johnnyo.
Blah, blah, blah
Yes. I understand the tankie mentality here. Fox News watchers have the same response to any information that does not come from the Fair and Balanced network.
Anything that starts out with “According to Fox News…” should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Not only Murdoch propaganda rags, all 6 propaganda conglomerates and hundreds of thousands of their subsidiary ‘news’ companies.
Overall, the mainstream propaganda machine works on pure brute force. This means volume and repetition. There are no substantial intelligence or any creative initiatives in mainstream propaganda because it is aimed at low average consumer. To be blunt, already brainwashed idiots who lack any critical thinking skills.
Pretty much all the major networks now have become wings of the U.S. Gov’ment. I haven’t watched Fox in months but I would expect that Julio’s new favorite network will continue to embrace the U.S. war effort.
You might also have noticed that the article you linked said “Insider couldn’t confirm the news.” Just FYI. Skepticism is very appropriate in this case.
Healthy skepticism is always warranted but I wouldn’t expect any Russian source to confirm their assassination attempt. I therefore have to assume the Times of London did their due dliligence prior to publishing.
That’s the problem, assumption. You will not accept what your enemy says but gladly accept any lie your friends say.
Sometimes accepting a lie might be useful.
Paybacks by Russia for assassination attempts, even if those claims are lies, could happen over this.
Nothing to do with collectivist mindsets. The mainstream propaganda destroyed its own credibility with blunt lies and distortions. None of your “mainstream western” publications do any actual journalism. It is all just propaganda and not very good from a propaganda perspective.
I trust Persians and Chinese more on objective coverage of Russian war with Anglo-American empire.
Right. Only “mainstream western” media publish propaganda. Perhaps ALL governments (and media controlled by them) promote spin that best serves their interests?
No, all governments push own propaganda. Some are just smarter about their propaganda.
What average rational thinker can do is listen to both sides and derive own conclusions.
Israel has the most powerful PR machine in the world.
Trying to explain why they kills so many Palestinian KIDS…!!!!!!
Yes they do, all based on lies and with the support of Amerikkkan congressional whores.
What we basically have today is Operation Mockingbird taken to its logical conclusion. Almost nothing the mainstream western media says can be taken as true by rational people.
yep. Can’t have totalitarian rule with functional Fourth Estate…
The only problem has to do with the word functional. And even if one takes functional to mean adversarial, what are the limits of bounds which constrict speaking truth to the people. Jullian Assange aside, Was American media functional when Seymour Hersh published his bombshell Nordstream exposé on Substack and the big three newspapers, The Washington Post, The N.Y. Times and The War Street Journal were silent….???? I say that the omission of news about an act of war against a peer nuclear adversary by the leading planetary super power and aggitator of countless unjust wars against weaker and poorer states should not be hushed up by its news establishments in their own country. And if such news of this …type is hidden and burried, it no longer has a free press and forth estate…!!!!!!!
If Ukraine want to claim that they are going after Putin and are trying to kill him, that’s on them.
Let them make that claim even if it is a huge stretch.
The result will be Ukrainian politicians becoming even more a military target since those clowns are going after Putin.
Pay backs for “assassination” attempts on Putin might be a little brutal …..
I’m sure that after assassination of heads of interior in that helicopter ‘crash’, many of them are. Arestovich immediately switched sides.
What I see here is preparing propaganda narrative for assassination of Volodimor by the imperials. He is too much trouble to deal with and they’ve sufficiently built him up on the global political arena to have substantial toxic fallout for Kremlin.
So far, the Russians do seem to think that, “He’s the gift that keeps on giving.” It is like Churchill refusing suggestions to kill Hitler, not from liking him, but from thinking he was the worst thing for Germany.
“And I wanna f— Angie Dickinson. Let’s see who gets there first.”
Uncle Junior, is that you?
And that bright bulb just signed his own death warrant. Confirming that you’re trying to kill a foreign leader is pretty much announcing open season on your own leader, and I’m sure that between Russia making a point about who’s in charge and Zelensky making his lack-of-intelligence officers disappear for bringing even more heat down on him, we won’t be hearing from those guys ever again.
Futile attempt to stay relevant and is one of the worst way to enjoy the limelight.
This starts sounding more and more like Israel threatening imminent attack against Iran.
The Russian MOD is fighting a very successful war of attrition disarming NATO (Ukraine was disarmed in March 2022), tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. Russia now will fight NATO to the last European.
At the May 9th Victory Day Parade Vladimir Putin has included the De-occupation of Ukraine as an objective of the SMO. The SMO now will achieve De-Nazification, Demilitarisation and De-Occupation of Ukraine.
If the Ukrainian people want their sovereignty back then they need to remove NATO who has illegally occupied Ukraine since the coup in 2014.
NATO overall has accumulated the following equipment losses;
429 Aircraft, 235 helicopters, 4293 UAV’s, 424 Anti Aircraft systems, 9295 tanks inc. APC’s, 1100 multiple rocket launchers, 4893 rocket launchers and 10433 military automotive equipment.
What the empire looses in the Ukraine, they loose for the final Russian attack on NATO. Russia has shown they will pre-emptively attack to defend the Motherland when the time is dictated by events on the ground.
I doubt Kremlin is going to be liberating European vassals from North American Terrorist Occupation. They will probably give moral/political support or some covert material/weapon supplies to liberation movements within EU but they wont interfere directly.
Even less likely for Pentagon cowards to attack Russia directly. They will try to hide behind Europeans as much as possible and try to stir up more trouble in Europe.
I look forward to the next time the U.S. government tries to bully another tiny country with its military and the Russians flood that tiny country with weapons, satellite target info, and ammo!
While repeating that they aren’t “directly” involved.
Not like it hasn’t happened before.
I think it would be a little more brazen. Like the daily announcements coming from the White House on how much weaponry is about to be shipped. Ah, for the good old days of ‘Nam.
The satellite targeting will be new, I think.
There are laws against that, Not that these prople have a clue that there is anything wrong with what they are saying. Clueless.
Laws are for law bidding people. Criminals couldn’t care less about laws.
Pretend presidents and pretend statesmen used to play act like they knew the job. No more, trashy, ignorant, vile, and proud of it.
Wow, so Ukrainian CIA wants to reenact the plot that started WW1? Not a smart move to bump off heads of the state. These young bucks have learned nothing from history.
It is a good move considering they want to start a WWIII.
That comedian just put a huge target on his back.
I don’t think so. There is no reason for Kremlin to do the imperial dirty work. They want him gone for multiple reasons, not Kremlin.
Russia is at war with them but they should refrain from killing him….sure
That’s the main thing! Russia isn’t at war with Ukraine. They didn’t declare war. They don’t consider it a war. They don’t even call it a war.
Russia is at war with Anglo-American empire.
“They don’t even call it a war.”
Well, at least not in times or at places where they think the police might overhear them and drag them off to jail for ten years.
Better than to be tortured in some imperial concentration camp like GITMO or worse…. Your little Pentagon friends locked up Gonzalo Lira for what exactly?
Before the organized by US far-right coup in Kiev, no one in Ukraine ever talked about plans to kill Putin or any other Russian, or about destroying Orthodox Christian churches in Ukraine. All those activities started under American supervision and it was financed from US budget. Once US stops financing Kiev regime, everything calms down, people stop to kill each other and the terrorists will disappear as they disappeared from Chechnya.
The former Deputy Minister of National Defense of Poland, General Waldemar Skshipchak, said that Poland is preparing for a military coup in Belarus and the Polish military is ready to support it..
I wonder if that’s due to, or the cause of, Kremlin satrap Lukashenko’s recent “health problems?”
These delusional Kiev morons say a lot of things. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Any evidence of anyone doing cocaine in Kyiv or are you just repeating Kremlin discrediting propaganda?
It was a figure of speech to describe the bizarre decision making of Kiev.
If they’re not on drugs, they are either delusional fools who believe what they’re saying, or just pathological liars detached from reality.
In terms of Ukraine’s status as Europe’s most corrupt nation, that was confirmed a long ago. It’s always been a trash nation run by criminals.
Drug and human trafficking was being recognised as far back as 2007:
Don’t try to reason with one flew over the cuckoo’s nest. No sense of humor and always on the edge.
Well, according to Transparency International over the last few years, out of 180 countries, Russia ranks 136 and Ukraine 122. So I don’t know how you concluded that Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe when Russia has a higher corruption index.
Perhaps you used the RT News or Vladimir Solovyov’s index.
Transparency International, another western funded NGO meant to smear their enemies.
Julio believes they’re like the Western media, true and transparent.
Then where is your link to a TOTALLY unbiased source that discredits Transparency International’s findings?
Go to their website and see who funds them.
Blah, blah, blah……………………..
As that great philosopher Elvin Bishop once mused, “the problem with cocaine is that you might run out of it”
Also, Ukrainian intelligence or perhaps Alexey Navalny’s team exposed number one Kremlin propagandist, Vladimir Solovyov as one of the biggest hypocrites of this war.
I’ve always said, Most biggest anti gay activists are closet gays themselves.
And here no difference, this super Macho Nazi wannabe often talks about nuking New York and London in the name of Russia imperialism in his show, well, it turns out, he has a gay son that lives in London and newly discovered, twin baby girls (US Citizens) with his mistress (he is married) that lives in New York. What a douche. I guess tough talk pays well in Moscow.
And stay tuned cause Medvedev is next in line.
Yawn. As if
Another pathetic attempt at provocation. Putin will just ignore it. How foolish it would be to make a martyr for the Nazi cause out of the clown.
Why not let it provoke?
Now it’s open season on the comedian.
Because it would be idiotic on a local tactical level, strategic military level and geopolitical level.
The imperials spend a year building up Volodimor on global political arena because they want to make a bigger ‘boom’ when they kill him.
So Ukraine is being idiotic by making the claim; so what?
If they persist in making the claim then it just makes it open season on all Ukrainian politicians.
It isn’t Ukraine saying it 😉
It’s Washington/London controllers. They wanted Kiev bombed into stone age and Volodimor killed from the start. Remember how excited their propaganda networks were when Russians were near Kiev? The imperial parasites don’t give a flying “patriot” about any politician in EU, never mind Ukraine. It serves their goals in creating perpetual, self-sustaining conflict in the entire region and of course is beneficial for propaganda agenda.
“Ukrainian Intelligence Says It’s Trying to Kill Putin”
Killing President Putin would galvanize Russian citizens against Ukraine and America. Potentially more hard line elements would launch nuclear missiles against Kiev and maybe Washington.
Ukrainians are the most insane people in Europe.
Yes, killing Putin would be a big mistake. And even saying you’d like to invites other people to do so, since you’ll be at the top of the suspect list. If his oligarch masters decide it’s time to dump him, they can just blame the Ukrainians for his tragic fall from a window.
On the other hand, perhaps just saying it will increase his paranoia and affect his judgment. Whether that will result in tangible benefits for the Ukrainians or not is highly questionable even if so, though.
Well seeing as that could increase the likelihood of one of his oligarch actually dumping him it could work out to the advantage of Ukraine – as any replacement for Putin have to improve things or face an even less certain future.
This most certainly will increase Putin’s paranoia as you point out and hence likely push him to get more oligarch’s to jump from windows and therefore increase their incentives for dumping him…
The fallout for Ukraine may be a shorter period of a harsher Russian leader.
Ukrainian intelligence? LOL You mean Anglo-American spy machine say that? They’ve been saying it for a while and imperial filth would love if Kremlin removed that silly cardboard cutout called Volodimor Ziolensky. It would benefit their goals substantially by creating more chaos in the region. There is no benefit for Kremlin in removing any imperial puppet in EU, never mind Volodimor.
The Anglo-American regime is another matter. It should be top priority in decapitating that snake for Eurasian Alliance.
We don’t really know all the intrigue and half baked, poorly executed and foiled, either from within for motives we don’t know or by intercept, plans to assassinate leaders or key figures. Lots of things are happening in wars that are extremely stupid and criminal because that’s exactly what wars are.
I have not specifically studied this subject, so the question that I’d like to know first an answer to is how strong the evidence is that assassinating heads of state causes wars to take a more peaceful turn?
it is a war. any leaders in a war are fair-game and should be careful where they step.
Putin is number one on the kill list “because he coordinates and decides what happens.”
he is the decider. remember 30 years ago when we had own decider?
“I am the Deciderer!”
…. GW Bush
And think of the reaction the US would have had if the intelligence agency from another country had talked about offing the little turd. And then think of the reaction if they did off the little turd.
hell i remember the outrage when a middle eastern guy merely threw a shoe in his direction.
Imagine if he would have hit him.
Wars, that would have been one of history’s greatest moments! 😁
This is the sort of talk that could tempt Putin to take the gloves off and break out the “tats” and try them out on some infrastructure or large buildings like their Parliament. Is that what they really want.. Or is Putin happy to take out out their army a few hundred or thousand at a time..???? Even Don Julio thinks that Z man is doing a great job destroying his army. Why would the Russians want to kill Z man…
This isn’t Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya that the U.S. up against today, It is Russia, the biggest & best armed nation on this planet. And all their NATO Gnomes are just about useless. Russia could probably nuke every NATO capitol before a shot was fired in their direction. I trust Putin more than I trust Biden to be smart and prevail. I just don’t get all the Western hubris about a their second rate weapons systems & third rate (senile) leadership.. Maybe one of you out there could fill me in on how you have faith in U.S. weapons & leadership 2B up to the job in this dangerous confrontation?
Sure they can. They can nuke both Washington and London for quick results but that doesn’t make it a good solution. They can even use chemical or biological weapons in US and England and the imperial regime will be powerless because they already cried wolf many times. The self-inflicted wounds in Anglo-American propaganda machine are fatal.
Yes, they can nuke both Washington and London for quick results.
But those quick results would include deep smoking radioactive craters where Moscow and St. Petersburg used to be.
Which is why they won’t be pulling that kind of nonsense.
Not really. We’ve already talked about Russian nuclear superiority. There is no reason in having this silly discussion again. Russians are not gonna launch because they are bleeding-heart hippies and imperials are not gonna launch because they a sniveling cowards.
Go have some coffee and a doughnut.
Yes, we’ve talked about “Russian nuclear superiority.”
And how that supposed “superiority,” even if it exists, has no impact whatsoever on the fact of Mutual Assured Destruction.
Putin took the gloves off 15 months ago.
As JEB Stuart put it, he has regretted doing so but once, and that continuously.
“Gee Biden, what do you want to do tonight?”
“What we do every night, Zelensky. Try to kill Putin!”
Looking forward to hearing of Zelensky returning to Hell.. Russia should go for “the head of the snake”.
That would definitely start WW3. Washington is the snake.
If anything, Russia will work to keep him alive. The chaos caused by him dying would not likely turn out to favor Russia at all. And it could be a LOT worse.
Also, he seems to override his military commanders a lot. His sense of military strategy is far inferior to his military commanders.
For the sake of argument, let’s say they manage to take out Putin. What do they think happens next? Russia collapses and surrenders? Or Russians cheer for their liberators and elect a pro-western “leader” like Navalny?
The fact is that Putin is far more popular among Russians than any Western leader is among their people. His loss would only precipitate an even more virulently anti-west leader who would summarily crush ukraine and probably most of Europe, if not go nuclear. ukraine and all of the west is far better off with Putin in power.
Absolutely correct. Unfortunately, so many people in the US and Europe believe Putin is an evil imperial thug. But the more I learn about him, the more reasonable he seems. And his success as a leader in bringing Russia back from its collapse under Yeltsin in the 1990s has been huge. No wonder he is popular!
Still not as popular as Stalin but he is certainly heading in that direction and likely to become greater. He is very careful, calculating and meticulous in his geopolitical moves. Stalin was more cavalier.
Another “stunning” post on Antiwar.com. Good grief.
I have read in full some of his recent speeches.
His speeches put our politicians to shame. He speaks in full sentences, his sentences flow together into paragraphs, and his paragraphs tell down to earth stories.
He discusses details on depth, and seems to understand the meaning of his words.
Russia was in a very bad place when he became the leader of Russia. He brought Russia back in many ways.
“His speeches put our politicians to shame. He speaks in full sentences, his sentences flow together into paragraphs, and his paragraphs tell down to earth stories.”
To be fair that isn’t too hard. To do that he just has to not get lost in the Kremlin https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1475382/joe-biden-potus-health-update-walking-into-bushes-video-white-house-latest-vn and not poop his pants in front of the cameras https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4909685/user-clip-nadlers-accident
They really don’t care because whoever replace Putin will be better. There is no chance that silly, Washington-paid blogger will become Russian leader. There are some hard-core militarist ultra-nationalists next in line who will be much, much worse for the Anglo-American empire. What imperial parasites are betting on is creating some kind, any kind turbulence they can exploit. They don’t seem to care if it goes nuclear.
Navalny seems to have been, at least at one time, more of a nationalist and revanchist than Putin ever was.
Putin being removed, resigning, or dying under any circumstances, would be very unlikely to result in a more “western-friendly” regime.
Truth does not seem to penetrate any of the neocon fever dreams.
Regime change has never worked as they intended, anywhere.
Yet still they launch wars to pursue that dream (and we empower them to do so).
I’d suggest that there would be a near guarantee that no “western-friendly” regime would be in anything like a good position to take over, and hence that the first replacement would be a more hardline leader.
However seeing as a more hardline leader would face a situation where he cannot improve things for Russia in any way by taking a more hardline stance*, I’d argue that the replacement administration thanks to being in power a much shorter time and having to service their backers are in a less certain position than Putin. I would therefore not be at all surprised to see such a replacement leader replaced fairly rapidly – rinse and repeat until they get one who can improve on their prospects.
* this since Putin is neither a fool nor soft because of being a nice man.
Hardline leaders like Nixon or DeGaulle are sometimes pragmatic enough to realize that the cost of winning an asymmetric war is higher than the cost of giving up to a weaker, but more motivated, adversary.
Yes there is that possibility too – my thinking I guess was that such a ‘choice’ would/could very easily cost a hardline leader his life, but more to the point here, most people would call such a leader less hardline and brand that leader a traitor – but I see your point, it is a distinct possibility.
In fact, a pragmatic pro-Russian president might do a cost benefit analysis and realize, like DeGaulle and Nixon did, that the war is a hopeless cause and the sooner Russia withdraws, the better it will be for the Russian people.
Russian will need new leadership to end the war. Ukraine needs a pragmatic Russian regime, not a “friendly” regime to end Putin’s war. Unlikely figures like Nixon and DeGaulle were pragmatic enough to end hopeless wars. Ironically, Prigozhin or some other militarist might have the pragmatism that Putin seems to have lost. Prigozhin has a deeper understanding of what Russia is fighting than Putin does (or is willing to admit).
Putin is a Russian chauvinist who does not believe in the existence of a separate Ukrainian national identity. Prigozhin knows better. He has seen the manifestation of that spirit first hand and recognizes that it would take a holocaust genocide to defeat Ukraine.
Prigozhin recognizes that Russia is losing and realizes that the only way for Russia to win requires a total mobilization, a universal draft, martial law throughout Russia and dedicating the economy totally to all out war production. A new Russian president would probably recognize that winning the Ukraine war would mean a civil war that would destroy Russia. In other words, the cost of Russia winning would be greater than the cost of losing. Such is the law of blowback.
This war is unfolding a lot like Vietnam when the Pentagon told Johnson after Tet they needed 750,000 troops to win the war. Johnson effectively resigned by ending his campaign for re-election because he realized that total war abroad would lead to civil war at home. Nixon, who escalated because he believed “if we don’t fight them there, we will have to fight them here” eventually realized that “if we continue to fight them over there, we will be fighting each other in a civil war here.” So Nixon very reluctantly made peace with the enemy he built his career and his candidacy vilifying.
Putin’s war is turning out the be one of the greatest miscalculations of history. Like other imperial leaders, Putin can’t understand the dynamics of asymmetric war. Like so many leaders before him, he can’t accept that Russia has already lost to a much weaker adversary. It can take years or even decades for losers in an asymmetric war to give up (they never admit they were actually defeated). But if the resistance wins the hearts and minds of the people, the invader cannot prevail.
I would say we would see some real fireworks as you would most likely get a ‘real hardliner’ that would execute the war in a more aggressive manner. There’s already numerous figures in Russia calling for greater action, and if they were to manage to get Putin with the approval of the U.S., the real war would be on.
On a side note, in the set of all alternative Universes where Navalny would be elected or otherwise came to power in Russia, I can absolutely promise you the subset of all Universes where he would be regarded as pro-Western is an empty set.
True, and of course Navalny is not “pro-western.” He is an extreme nationalist, more so than Putin.
None of the alternative Russian leaders are more pro-western than Putin, but almost all of them are more nuts.
Russia is throwing almost everything it has at Ukraine – and they are stalemated.
For instance – their best tank is the T-90 (outside of the T-14…which they have only about 100). They had 400+ in service before the war. And they have already lost over 60 of them in Ukraine.
What EXACTLY are these gigantic numbers of weapon systems that Russia is ‘holding back’ at present? That – if unleashed – would ‘crush’ Ukraine?
It sure ain’t tanks.
While I don’t think killing Putin will solve anything.
There is no way that killing him will suddenly make Russia ‘crush Ukraine’.
Unless they go nuclear.
Which they won’t – unless the new Russian leader had a death wish.
Maybe they are counting on the DC Neoperialists having a spare Boris Yeltsin clone in their icebox?
Time to reduce all their buildings to rubble….!!!!!!!
Very concise warmongery.
Zell boy life is now numbered…!
Not quite kosher
Great idea. Kill Putin, then deal with a hardliner who wanted Putin to go full “shock and awe” in the beginning. Just great. Meanwhile, the man who could put a stop to the war, the man behind the aviator glasses, stumbles along, doing stupid stuff like negotiating the debt bill, rather than just walking away and telling the GOP to pound sand, that benefits for the elderly, disabled, veterans are not to be negotiated. And, throwing more gas on the fire by providing the NAZIs in Kiev with more money, weapons. Houston Control, we have a problem.
The problem with ” just walking away and telling the GOP to pound sand, that benefits for the elderly, disabled, veterans are not to be negotiated” is that if they’re not negotiated they. Come. To. A. Screeching. Halt.
These Ukrainian intelligence agents are acting like demented and insane children throwing bizarre temper tantrums. What these assassinations reveal is how desperate they are trying to divert the attention from their obvious losses on the battlefield. Just imagine how Americans would react if Chinese or Russian drones exploded over the Congress or the White House?
Putin is an essential target now for Ukraine. Putin is the only patriot at the top who is working for the benefit of Russia. He made a terrible miscalculation when he attacked Ukraine but he tried to go back to status quo when he realized his Intel operatives lied to him and he had the top b….. responsible for this arrested. But not letting putin rectify his mistake and call off this unjustified war the west made it an existential war for Russia. Because Russia is just grinding down Ukraine the Ukrainians need to kill putin because once he dies they can probably have a face saving armistice with the likes of Medvedev who talk the talk but wants nothing more to go back the days where they could stash their booties in west. Russia keeps the territory it already annexed west keeps getting Russian natural resources and zelansky gets killed to give Medvedev or someone like that legitimacy to bring Russia back into the fold and keep being the compliant client.
At what point did Putin offer to go back to the status of January 2022? I cannot remember him offering any such deal – at the very least he wanted to have the Ukrainians end their claim of sovereignty over Crimea – but as far as I remember he also wanted to keep the land bridge to Crimea.
Status quo of Feb 2022. U can see the writing of Fiona hill when she unwittingly blurted out Ukraine and Russia was close to go back to status quo pre feb24 border as long as Ukraine committed to neutrality. And that British clown Johnson visited Kiev and put a stop to it. By status quo I mean Russia has defacto control over Crimea which was the case before feb24 so I don’t see how that’s not status quo. I’d I remember correctly the process didn’t mean Ukraine acknowledge Russian sovereignty in that deal Kiev rejected. Afaik the land bringer wasn’t part of pre feb24 border and the plan was Russia to go back to thar line. If it is not the case show me something that definitely contradicts this and I will stand corrected.
So not status pre Feb 2022, but same borders and Ukraine forced to be a Russian satellite as in not sovereign, plus as I remember (and it appears that I do) it giving up claims to sovereignty over Crimea, so not status quo at all.
So you are right the land bridge was not required but the sovereignty over Crimea was and the sovereignty over the ‘Donbas’ too.
No it was status quo it is impossible to have Ukrainian nation state (in whatever form)while turning it into a satellite for Russia. Unless they drive off or kill all the western Ukrainians. I haven’t read ur links this time (don’t have time) what I remember with regards to Crimea was they would come to final arrangement in some future date while keeping the status quo. With regards to Donbas I don’t remember what compromise was reached but I guess it was flowery words while keeping things same without Ukraine explicitly acknowledging annexation.
But true Ukraine explicitly accepting neutrality and forgoing membership of nato wasn’t exactly status quo but Ukraine was never going in nato so it kinda is.
I will read ur links later to see if the treaty close to be signed by Ukraine explicitly asked it to acknowledge Russian sovereignty over Donbas and Crimea
Status quo would mean no territorial changes – by requiring that Ukraine give up sovereignty over the Donbas insurrectionist republics and Crimea – you are automatically talking about acknowledging the territorial changes Russia has forced upon Ukraine – so not status quo at all.
Further violating the sovereignty of Ukraine by denying them the freedom to seek alliances does not improve on this!
No it was a straight up demand to recognize Crimea as Russian in the shape of giving up claims to sovereignty over Crimes.
I understand that you may not have the time to read the linked sources so I’ll extract the direct quotes:
Bolding is mine.
So why humiliate Ukraine by demanding that they sign away their sovereignty in that way?
I have now quoted the relevant parts directly in this comment – it is not a long article.
As per Reuters article the demands of peskov was the maximalist demands of Russia before the 3rd round on Belarusian border what I m talking about r the negotiations that were close to a breakthrough, negotiations thar happened in turkey. If u look through the Wikipedia link u were kind enough to provide zelansky is on record saying turkey part of negotiations were going towards a positive direction and they prepared a joint roadmap to resolve this until that British clown upended it all.
With regards to why demand explicit commitment from Ukraine while it is defacto a certainty Ukraine is not getting in nato?
Nato was building up Ukrainian forces and putting their trainers in. Russia assumed this is a stealthy way to take Ukraine within nato without actually taking Ukraine in nato that’s why that demand was made as per my understanding.
U can always say well the subsequent invasion proves these actions by nato was justified my assertions would be whatever nato did not only failed to stop this illegal war it encouraged it by stoking Russian paranoia. Please don’t rehash the old arguments how Russia invaded in 2014 I will only bring up the coup and u will bring up how it was not a coup
With regards to Crimea I recall there was to be 15 year period where the issue was to be resolved through negotiations and a referendum. I don’t have the link bookmarked but if I m recalling this correctly this mean no explicit out of hand recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea by Ukraine.
Now Russia has gone back to it’s maximalist position about keeping it all and hundreds thousands of patriotic Ukrainians r dead while Russia slowly takes more and more Ukrainian territory.
The 15 year period was a Ukrainian proposal, I never heard the Russians accepting it or rephrasing it in any of their proposals. More importantly at the time of the negotiations in Turkey the Russians were still sticking to what you call the maximalist demands:
So I am not prepared to call that status quo – not even by a longshot.
“They were willing to compartmentalize the issue”
“Everyone needs a win”
Says the Russian negotiator
(I kinda have to write the entire quote as i use phone and not quite able to copy paste entire paragraphs so I don’t do it unless I absolutely need to😅. Appreciate u doing it btw makes it easier to understandwhat u r saying)
The deal was there!!!! If Ukraine was willing to accept neutrality Russia, I m pretty sure wouldn’t have insisted on Ukraine explicitly acknowledging annexation and independence of dpr and lpr. Russian efforts for 8 years to implement misnk2 and acknowledgement that Ukrainian leadership needs to sell it gives me the confidence about my own analysis of the situation.
We just see things differently. We just gotta agree to disagree
Well I just have not seen the Russians suggesting or proposing the status quo deal you seem to suggest they would all I have seen is the repetition of the demand to yield on the Crimean sovereignty issue and acknowledging the independence of the LPR, DPR – if you anything to base your “I m pretty sure wouldn’t have insisted on Ukraine explicitly acknowledging annexation and independence of dpr and lpr.” on it would be interesting.
But as I see it everyone needs a win could not possible end in status quo for Putin, and the evidence we have does suggest that the Russians were after more than just status quo – as the quote from those Turkish negotiations show.
Hence so far I see things as they are reported in sources while you see things like you are pretty sure they should/could/would be.
Response to headline:
Maybe the best post I have ever seen on here.
In Mariupol, Lysychansk, and Bakhmut, Z ordered his own troops to continue fighting or to enter areas where there is no possibility of success for what appears to be egotistical reasons. He used troops with no experience as cannon fodder in Kherson. And there are indications that he has used groups such as Kraken to attack his own people should they flee from battle or disobey suicidal orders. Just this week, he sent 500 soldiers across the Russian border solely to distract the news media from the collapse of Bakhmut. 70 of them died for a media stunt. If Putin were to decide to retaliate for attempts made on his own life, he may have to wait in line.
The West pressed Putin for a commitment not to kill Zelinsky.
Well, this story ought to be the end of that deal.
The Ukrainian kill list also targets Americans yet our President and Attorney General have done nothing to protect them. It is an outrage and as good an indication as any that the Administration is not only useless, it is criminal in its duties.
The United States is again training ISIS terrorists in the southeastern Syrian area of al-Tanf. Terrorism has always been a tool of the US MIC. US/NATO has always armed and trained the worst elements in society to overthrow democracies and install oligarchies who bow to US corporate control….Fascism.
This brings to mind the ignored US military question from our recent decades of misadventures: “How does this end?”
What comes next after Ukraine does these assassinations?
Put another way, Who does Russia kill in response? Proxy Ukrainian leaders, or the real American leaders?
Er, Mark… except Amerikkka doesn’t have a “real leader”…. Just a token for the DoD and Israhell.
Ukrainian Intelligence Says It’s Trying to Kill Ukrainians
Probably a smart (though immoral) thing to do.
You think Putin wouldn’t kill Zelenskyy in a heart beat if he could?
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