The New York Times reported Tuesday that US officials are claiming the Nord Stream bombings were carried out by a “pro-Ukrainian group” and dismissed reporting from investigative journalist Seymour Hersh that said President Biden ordered the sabotage.
The US officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to the Times said they based their assessment on new intelligence but offered very little detail about their claims. The report said the officials “declined to disclose the nature of the intelligence, how it was obtained or any details of the strength of the evidence it contains. They have said that there are no firm conclusions about it.”
The officials said there was no evidence tying Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or any of his top advisors to the pipeline bombings. They also said they didn’t know much about the unnamed group, suggesting only that they were opponents of Russian President Vladimir Putin and likely Ukrainian or Russian nationals.
The Times briefly mentioned Hersh’s report only to say that US officials deny there was a US role. The Times report reads: “US officials say Mr. Biden and his top aides did not authorize a mission to destroy the Nord Stream pipelines, and they say there was no US involvement.”
Hersh’s report said that US Navy divers planted explosives on the Nord Stream pipelines in June 2022 under cover of NATO exercises in the Baltic Sea. It said the operation was carried out with the cooperation of Norway, and a Norwegian spy plane detonated the explosives by dropping a sonar buoy in late September 2022.
US officials told the Times that it appeared the explosives were probably planted on the pipelines by “experienced divers” but claimed they did “not appear to be working for military or intelligence services,” although they added that it was possible the “perpetrators received specialized government training in the past.”
The Times said that some of the US officials acknowledged that Ukraine and its allies had the most logical motive for bombing the pipelines. The US has long opposed the construction of Nord Stream 2, and President Biden threatened to “bring an end” to the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine.
After the sabotage, US officials celebrated the attacks, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who called it a “tremendous opportunity” to wean Europe off Russian gas.
The vague allegations made by US officials to the Times could be an effort to divert suspicion from the US to Ukraine. If confirmed that the US was behind the attack, it would clearly be considered an act of war against Russia.
The German newspaper Die Zeit also published a report on the pipeline sabotage on Tuesday that claimed German investigators believe it was carried out by six people using a yacht rented in Poland that was owned by two Ukrainians.
The two reports came after Biden hosted German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in Washington, a visit that did not include the customary joint press briefing following their meeting. The last time Scholz was in Washington was on February 7, 2022, and it was then during a joint press briefing that Biden threatened to “bring an end” to the pipeline.
Yeah. It was a pro-Ukrainian group of Navy Seals.
I tried to post a comment on this article all day long but they won’t allow me to post anything. Even though all they’re supposed to “monitor for civility.” Below is all I wrote hahaha…
“The US government definitely counts as a pro-Ukrainian group.”
You could not have said it better. *****
You don’t have to be an underwater/diver demolitionist to place a charge in that area.
Those are shallow waters with busy traffic and anyone with the small commercial boat and a reel system equipped with camera can easily place the explosives with a timer.
Not saying that’s what happens but the idea of diver in Seal Delivery Vehicles isn’t the only way to get the job done.
Edit: If US Navy Seals were involved, marked my words, we will find out eventually. Those MOFOs cannot keep f king secrets. There will be a book about it with all the names.
I’m just guessing here but I don’t think he blamed the Navy Seals because they have some special equipment and/or skill.
I know, I was just expanding on the discussion.
I originally thought that the sabotage was a high tech black ops operation that only a state actor could pull off. But Don Julio and Tom Knapp convinced me that it could have been a partisan action. The US is still the prime suspect followed by Ukraine, Poland and Russia. Still, the sabotage is the type of black op that the Seals are trained for and the image in my post is funny. It could have been Navy Seals, but I really don’t know whodunit.
Maybe it was the Democratic Republic of the Congo? One thing for sure, it wasn’t Russia.
No YOU won’t because if it was found out, YOU would claim it was Russian disinformation.
Yes, another Rob O’Neill will appear to take credit.
Don, you are right. It could have been a partisan action. I thought it was a deep sea high tech operation that would need a state actor to pull it off. The US and Ukrainian governments are still suspects.In the fog of war we may never know the truth. Remember the Maine!
Wasn’t Spain. The media hyped that up too.
“i didn’t do it even though i told everybody that i would”
…… uncle sam
“Uncle” Biden.
Who ya gonna believe, Hersh or some anonymous US officials?
I get google news on my phone, and it’s soooo biased in favor of Dems. and the ongoing wars without end. Google is now just an organ of the “Ministry of Truth” in Wash. If one can’t see the whoppers coming out of the official Wash. line, it’s really too bad.
Yes Google even publish propaganda from Ukrainian news organizations as “truth”.
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“NYT: ‘Pro-Ukrainian Group’ Likely Carried Out Nord Stream Sabotage The paper dismissed Seymour Hersh’s report that said President Biden ordered the bombing of the pipelines”
Looks like Joey Biden and the American intel state are working overtime to deflect blame for the actions in destroying the Nord Stream pipelines in an act of Eco-terrorism.
It is no longer Russia, Russia, Russia or even Russia-gate that destroyed their own pipeline.
Of course, the American public is so gullible that they will buy this fictional narrative.
The NYT – all the Bullshit that fits.
In fact, without his entourage – just flying in, speaking to Biden for one hour, then back again.
No questions from journalists because they would ask who he thinks attacked Nord Stream, and he is too much of a greedy socialist to jeopardize his well-paid position by telling the truth.
As for who did it, it could only be the U.S. and Britain, but Britain would never attack Europe’s economy like that without asking Biden first. So it was Biden who attacked us all. With his sanctions and his bomb attack he has bankrupted businesses and impoverished families all over Europe. There is only one suitable punishment.
There was a story somewhere that alleged that planning for the mission began about the same time Boris showed up in Ukraine to stop the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia.
Olaf Schitz flew into D.C. for his bag of payola.
The accusation by Sy Hersh was not on the front ,back nor somewhere in the middle of the well known media including the NYT.
But the US’s claim that the pro -Ukraine did the bombing is on the front page .
It seems anything US about US claimed by establishment of US will featured by the media . Its not the importance ,not the event ,not the truth ,not the issue of security or even the possibility of WW3 from sabotage –none of them -can be expected to make it to the media .
That is why consider the NYT to be junk.
Fishwrap.
Parakeet cage crap collector.
Took them quite a while to cook up this bullshit.
Oh yeah, we really believe that BS. NYTimes is so full of it. Everyday it spouts more Wash. propaganda. Too bad the MIC and Big Media are linked in the stock markets. It goes back to ‘you provide the pictures, we’ll provide the war’ and keep any war going until it’s lost.
Is the NYT an official branch of the US Goverment or an independent news organization? Inquring minds want to know.
Notice no one quite lied about anything, just endless misdirection BS. This is exactly what we would expect to see when an exceptionally militaristic nation wants to avoid responsibility for its aggression and has most “news” media secured as their enthusiastic misinformation tool.
“A source familiar with the US intelligence told CNN the assessment was not made with high confidence and is not the predominant view of the intelligence community”
Seymour Hersh tells you all about it and how it was carried out by information given to him by whistle blowers .
Who have to be kept incognito, lest they be killed. Being a journalist, he is not under any compunction to release names. However, the illegal prosecution of Assange could change everything. Illegal, because the U.S. is using the Espionage Act of 1917 to prosecute Assange, a non-citizen of the U.S. and was not an employee of the U.S. government, once they drag him over to the U.S. It will be “I Love Big Brother” time if that happens.
To the illustrious crowd assembled here. Many thanks for the chance to post some thoughts and to add a little support to a group of people who prefer alternatives to warfare.
I’ve said about all I have to say without repeating myself. I wish you all the very best.
One tiny corner where the last people with uncooked brains are gathered to pray we don’t kill everything of value and beauty so that the US can continue to dominate the energy markets. It’s nice not to feel crazy.
CIA is leaking false narrative to NY Times. And it would be more believable had it been released before Seymour Hursh’s damning report.
They hadn’t concocted that before the Hersch report, which is far more believable than some rogue Ukranians doing it.
“The divers alleged fitted the C4 explosives to the Nord Stream pipelines with sensors that enabled them to be detonated remotely at a later date.”
“The explosions were triggered by a sonar buoy dropped by an aircraft that emitted a sequence of “unique low frequency tonal sounds” which triggered the C4.”
Multiple actions by those Ukrainians which is laughable.
So they have new intelligence. It was rogue Ukrainians. Or was it rogue Russians? They have new intelligence. And they can’t explain the how yet without the who part. But then you can believe them because “there are no firm conclusions.”
Not even the reporters themselves believe this BS … they didn’t really try that hard to sell it.
But, all that said, this gives the required wriggle room for ol’ Olaf to justify not doing anything against Germany’s great partner and friend, the US. And that’s what was needed.
Sure, blame it on others to deflect US involvement…!
The question always is “just how stupid and gullible these liars think the american public and the world public really is.
The tragic answer is that some of this garbage actually is swallowed. However, even the Ukraine Minister of Defense says no, they were not involved.
The NYT is a piece of junk. Really.
Yup. Ukrainian cold water free-divers traveling by canoe.
From a rented yacht, with half a kiloton of high explosives, with nobody noticing.
In plain sight. Real sneaky.
Nothing non-believable about any of those three specifications.
People rent boats of various sizes all the time, and do all kinds of f*cking around offshore with them, and are seldom noticed.
Which is why the majority of boats carrying narcotics to the US probably get through without so much as a hard look from anyone.
And explosives aren’t especially difficult to acquire. There’s a significant black market in them.
I’ve planned and executed military missions in much more crowded environments without ever being noticed by the crowds. Sometimes while hidden right in the middle of them for 24-36 hours straight.
And while the providers of the civilian vehicles used presumably knew the rental was to the US armed forces, I could plan and execute those same missions today with minimal expense, with zero government backing, and without attracting any attention at all.
So you’re saying you *could* be fixing all these problems…
Die Zeit? If it had been, say, the Frankfurter Allgemeine I would have considered it somewhat but Die Zeit? Gimme a break. Sounds like an 007 movie.
Nevertheless I must also consider the possibility that this caper was used to cover the real attack as presented by Hersh.
US officials said, that is all the evidence they have.
The NYT and government officials lost credibility a long time ago.
Children can make up better fairy tales than the editors of the NYT, one would expect more talented people.
The corporation should hire some talent from advertisers.
Die Zeit used to be a reputable paper, not anymore, it has been denigrated to a propaganda rag along with all the other once great papers. .
Keep throwing shit against the wall and see what sticks. Stay tuned.
Well, true or not, it could be one part of Germany, and perhaps other regimes, setting up to either pull a Diem on Zelenskyy, or just abandon the Kyiv regime entirely.
Good point.
The German newspapers are giving more detail. Supposedly a Yacht was rented and four guys plus a doctor pulled it off, explosive residue was found on the boat, etc. Do I believe it? Nope, because so far nobody believable has made the claim and I don’t go about believing known liars who get their info anonymously from people claiming to be spooks/liars.
These stories are cover and that’s not to say that I automatically buy Hersh’s story either, he could have been fed disinformation as well, but at least he’s not a known liar, like the three who published the NYT article.
That German leader visited so they could get their fiction straight.
A Diversion from the Truth
During the 2003 Iraq invasion, the NYT served as the CIA’s mouthpiece for a series of lies, not the least was that Iraq had a pile of ‘weapons of mass destruction’. Now, this a new attempt by the CIA to discredit the great investigating journalist Seymour Hersh and his Feb. 8 report, which has established beyond any doubt, how the Biden administration planned and executed the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines, on Sept. 26, 2022, (just as Pres. Joe Biden had said he would do, on February 7, 2022). This has been an act of state terrorism and an act of war, without any input from Congress.
It is shameful that the New York Times, which censored journalist Hersh and his 5000-word report, is presently letting itself be the CIA’s poodle.
Only the United States had the technology to blast large pipelines nearly 300 feet under the Baltic Sea, not a gang of neo-Nazi Ukrainians.
So some random civis rented a yacht, procured 3x500kg of high explosives, accuretely located the 3 pipelines, dove 90 metres with commonly available scuba equipment, properly transported and dove with and planted 3×500 kg of said HE, had the means to and detonated remotely through the ocean – 3 pipelines simultaneously, all this without any detection. Got it.
and then they have the nerve to call anyone else conspiracy theorists LMFAO!! I would believe the earth is flat before I believe this comedy!!