Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, warned on Thursday that Russia losing the war in Ukraine could potentially trigger a nuclear war.
“Backward political good-timers in Davos reiterated: ‘To achieve peace, Russia must lose,'” Medvedev wrote on Twitter, referring to the World Economic Forum conference in Davos, Switzerland.
In Davos on Wednesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said, “weapons are the way to peace,” as he called for more military aid for Ukraine. Medvedev said Western officials don’t understand how a nuclear power’s loss in a conventional war could escalate.
“None of them gets it that a nuclear power’s loss of a conventional war can lead to a nuclear one. Nuclear powers haven’t been defeated in major conflicts crucial for their destiny,” said Medvedev, who was Russia’s president from 2008 to 2012.
The Kremlin later said that Medvedev’s comments aligned with Russia’s military doctrine, which allows the use of nuclear weapons if Russia’s existence is threatened. “Read the nuclear doctrine, there is no contradiction there,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
Medvedev’s warning came after The New York Times reported that the US was warming to the idea of helping Ukraine attack Crimea, which Russia has controlled since 2014.
The report said the Biden administration was going to help Ukrainian officials plan a potential offensive toward the peninsula despite the risk of a major escalation from Russia.
Maybe we were better off with Trump…
The Russiagate madness created enormous pressure on Trump to demonstrate that he was sufficiently anti-Russian. It worked to a significant degree.
But.
In many ways, I think Trump was a disaster. I also think he was and would be much less likely to get us all kiiled than the Biden administration and its vicious neocon crazies.
But since he’s been out of office, he still is bragging about how he was tougher on Russia than anyone. And bragging about how he was willing to send lethal weapons to Ukraine while Obama/Biden sent blankets. Plus, he had his own neocon crazies.
Well, all ex-presidents have their bragging rights, right?…
They have nothing else to do, not like former president Carter. He was one of a kind.
Yes. That’s typical Trump bloviating. And it is pretty clearly a response to the demonization. But I do think he’s instinctively less hostile to Russia than Biden and the Kagan-Nuland gang.
I think he honestly respected Putin. He made his money in Russia under Yeltsin when the oligarchs robbed the Russian nation while average Russian people had nothing to eat.
Putin ended the bonanza for the oligarchs.
Yup.
Trump blackmailed the Ukrainians to get dirt on Biden and Biden blackmailed the Ukrainians to get a good job for Hunter. They are birds of a feather, just a different color.
Obama/Biden funded and trained the Ukrainian military. They continued where W. left off, and Trump continued where Obama/Biden left off. The neocons pulled the strings and still do.
My guess, I think the neocons had a harder time to control Trump, he was about business and profit. Still he did as told and he sanctioned Russia and broke the deal with Iran which the Israelis never approved of. Tariffs on China made sense to him, he was not a real politician that made him unpredictable and he had to go. Biden is one of the neocons and reliable. The Kagans and Nuland know Joe from way back. People like that gave us Joe.
Yup.
My feeling is that it would be about the same. The details would be different and the style would be different but the end result would be about the same.
The US switched from republican to democrat to Trump to Biden, and our foreign policy is marked more by continuity than drastic change.
Unfortunately, you are probably right.
Trump was in a war with corporate propaganda machine for his entire presidency and I got to say, he had substantial impact.
You have to be kidding. He gave corporations everything they wanted. Everything.
Oh good God. Wake up. Trump IS part of the corporate propaganda machine.
Perhaps you’re right… I guess I got a soft spot for the Orange Twitler. Was he all that bad? He didn’t start any new wars like 2 previous maggots in White House.
I know you do. We differ some there. Just look at the people around him when president. They stand out like bright warning signs. If he’s not an “exceptionalist”, one world empire front man, then he’s no brighter than my barber or the guy who works on my cars.
I know he is an imperialist, and a very clever one. He tried to repeat the great geopolitical move of Mr.Kissinger and drive a wedge between RF and PRC. I don’t know about you, but I want to see Putin sweat a little. He looks bored.
Less worse off? But I don’t know why anyone would think that Trump would have scared off Russia. He wasn’t trending towards that. He’s co-belligerent in this whole mess.
You said it, he was a mess. Biden is more belligerent but also more predictable, I think. MHO.
If you can’t turn the car around to avoid the cliff, the next best thing is pouring sugar into the engine
Or better yet, sand.
He sent Javelin missiles to Ukraine. He pulled out of the INF treaty. He pulled out of the JCPOA. Drone strikes in Afghanistan increased. The military budget increased. He threatened NK. I don’t think so. Inclusion of nations into NATO continued.
Maybe he was too unpredictable for the neocon politicians. He could get out of hand like a spoiled kid.
Donna, not in a million years would I have ever thought I’d defend Trump. But I believe you’re correct.
Certainly we were better off with Trump talking to Putin about Ukraine. But worse off with Trump for peace with Israel & Palestine. A hard choice for too many, Trump or Biden. I decided to throw my vote away for Libertarian zero charisma dude. Would have gone Trump, but his pro torture talk nixed him for me. The bad guys don’t get hurt by torture, because they have knowledge they can trade. Its the innocent who don’t have anything to do with the problem, The worst way to get tortured, is to say ‘I know nothing’. Especially if you really known nothing they are going to torture you till they get something. That is why I cannot vote for those fools that think torture is legitament…
Weird, but possibly true. Or you could just take your tanks and go home.
I doubt imperial pests want to go home. They want to occupy entire Europe, Russia and China. No reverse gear and that means they are getting face-smacked. 🙂
It’s the new playbook answer; The Kremlin didn’t just make a nuclear threat, they were just re-stating their nuclear doctrine. Lol.
Of course it could. Backing a nuclear power into a corner where it feels its national existence is threatened is suicidally stupid.
Note: It would be a good idea to fix the misused quotation marks in the interior quote, above.
It is a corner of their own making. Starting a war with no plan B isn’t the 4 dimensional chess we expect out of the Russians. It isn’t even beer Pong
Nuclear war is the plan B.
Israel threatened uses of nukes unless US transported emergency military supplies . That threat worked. US always ready to capitulate , did exactly .
Israel plays both ends against the middle, and, has the most effective PR machine in the world.
So very true.
You and those who share your attitudes and misunderstandings about this disaster constitute an existential threat to the world that is increasing in imminence with every brain-dead and pointless escalation you applaud.
i suspect that their misunderstandings are pretense and that in reality they know exactly what is going on
Mmm . . . and that would be even worse.
yes, it would mean that they are shills.
at some point one has to just accept the obvious.
Don’t worry John, Russia seldom disappoints. I’m sure they will come up with some counter move of equal merit to taking Crimea by fiat response to the Obama, Clinton, Nulled 2014 coup. They turned that coup into a casus belli and secured their warm water PORT…!!!!! BRILLIANTLY
The “corner” may look like that: as we know, Rzeszow is the major logistics center of NATO military efforts in Ukraine. When big quantity of tanks and modern NATO artillery moves over this hub, Russia may hit it. NATO response (or Poland’s response) could be attack against Kaliningrad with hundreds civilian casualties. Next step could be Russian nuclear attack against Poland.
Everyone’s a gangsta till the Russian kid starts counting down. . .
LOL!
It is really hard to say who is more incompetent Medvedev or Putin.
Talk is cheap, West continues to cross every red line, and yet Russia does nothing.
Smells like a Great Reset script they are all following …
“Russia does nothing” Not totally true: Russia keeps killing civilians.
If that was their aim and had as much disregard for the consequences as the US, there would be no more civilians in Ukraine, period.
What a dumb analogy.
When you grow up you might come to understand that not everything that exceeds the limitations of your cognitive abilities is dumb. Or you might not of course.
By your logic, there must not be any civilians left in Iraq or Afghanistan. I’m pretty sure you’re wrong on that.
The Russians do not target civilians in Ukraine. Don’t pretend like you don’t know that. It was of course a rethorical point in response to Don Julio.
But nevertheless, in comparison to the US like for example what they did in Fallujah the Russians are skillfully tiptoeing and pussyfooting around any non-combatant like professional ballerina’s.
True, the Russian do not target civilians in Ukraine any more than the Americans targeted civilians in Vietnam or the Germans targeted civilians in Poland or the Japanese targeted civilians in Nanking.
I see what you did there and I don’t disagree. Civilian lives are not of much concern over and above their PR value.
Wine merchant trying to stay relevant
Biden vs Trump?
I am very glad that Biden defeated Trump.
When Trump was in office, the basic consensus was that lefties like myself have a voice in the democratic party, and that our priorities would be respected and fought for.
Now the truth is completely and totally revealed. The Squad and Sanders made an important announcement a couple of months ago when they made a very mild proposal to possibly think about maybe someday think about negotiating with Russia over the conflict in Ukraine.
It wasn’t long before Biden threatened to veto it even if it passed. The proposal was withdrawn. That was Bernie’s and The Squad’s formal surrender announcement. It hugely affected my view of American politics, hugely accelerating me down the path of viewing the democratic party as an enemy of the left. Maybe it wasn’t in the past, but it is now.
I read forums and articles populated and written by Biden democrats, and Biden and his supporters make it clear that they hate me as much as they hate Trump supporters. Corporate republicans have not completely defeated Trump supporters (soon to be DeSantis supporters), but corporate democrats have definitely completed defeated the left. And in the middle of all the Trump supporter rants about how I am evil and need to be killed and how I am the cause of all of America’s problems, I sometimes find that the underlying things that they are fighting are the things the left has been complaining about for decades.
The left is now in a political wilderness, and will be for a while. On the other hand, US politics is so dysfunctional that this is as good as time as any to get torn down to nothing and start rebuilding. And I am thankful that Biden did us the favor of moving us finally to restarting from nothing at the time when the odds of actually accomplishing anything good is so low anyways. Americans are so much better at tearing things down than building them up. California is trying to build just 1 bullet train, the only one in the nation that is even being attempted, and there is never a kind word said about it, only ridicule and glee that it is failing so badly.
Biden democrat forums on the conflict in Ukraine make me feel sad. The hatred that Biden democrats have for anyone viewing Russians as people and not orcs is disgusting.
Yeah Woke, you got that right…. And Ole JOE is sold out to the empire, and the ‘at one time working mans friend,’ is not so much anymore.
I think Joe was never the working man’s friend, he acted like one only when it did do no harm to his corporate mentors.
And even then, only barely.
It wasn’t for nothing that Biden was famously known as the “senator from MBNA.”
I think President Carter was the least corrupt president the nation ever had. Not even a hint of corruption of any Carter.
I agree. But it’s also true that Carter’s national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, led the scheme that lured the USSR into Afghanistan and created, armed and supported the mujahedin who ultimately morphed into al Qaeda.
https://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
That is true too, his worst appointment was Brzezinski, but he also had Cyrus Vance , the last official to resign because he differed with Carters policy. Carter should have listened to him instead of Brzezinski. Other than that mistake Carter was a good president.
He was the most decent human in that job in my now rather long lifetime. And he’s been an impressively-good human since.
Former President Carter lived by his religion, he is a modest, a humble man and as you said an impressively good human and I too lived long enough to know a thing or two. I think President Carter was a good president and a man with honor. I could never understand why people can say he was the worst president. History will judge him with more justice.
Good in the sense that he wasn’t as bad.
Vance was a strong believer in diplomacy, he lost out against the hardliners. He had integrity and resigned. There is not one man/woman in the Biden administration with that much integrity, it would not make any difference either, I think. Biden wants his war, at least as badly as Bush wanted the Iraq war. We, the people are trapped in the net of the corporate elite, the war profiteers.
It was Carters last year in office, and an election year and Reagan could have ended funding but he continued it. And to this day Brzezinski has not been held accountable for the disaster he started. His son Mark is the Ambassador to Poland.
I fully agree, the Democrats are neocons, they managed to eliminate every voice of progress, Manchin got all he wanted from the Democrats, real Democrats are some voices in the wilderness. There is no difference between the parties, both are controlled by the corporate elite. They make people like Trump and Biden for president possible.
Speaking for myself, I see no reason to vote again as long as the corporate elite is in charge and labor unions and the working middle class are silenced.
i always vote for or against the state and local measures and bills because they are always important to me. federal politics not so much
Is it time for the Gilens & Page citation again? Sure it is.
Well, they’ll always be left, but what they are the enemy of, unlike in the Vietnam era, is peace. Democratic administrations and every Democratic President from Johnson on has been party to U.S. involvement in one undeclared war after another, fattening every single MIC contractor at the trough while starving everyone else. An average of $200 million sucked out of every single congressional district to “defend Ukrainian democracy” (read “pigs at trough”)while domestic infrastructure rots and homeless encampments swell.
“Weapons are the way to peace”?!
Doltenburg, could you have uttered ANYthing more Dolt-ish?
That is indeed the cheapest Orwell rip-off on record today. And its unoriginality is perhaps still the most redeeming quality about it.
Doltenberg. Perfect.
Why, thank ye. 😁
“Russia’s Medvedev Warns If Russia Loses War, It Could Go Nuclear The Kremlin said the former Russian president’s comments align with Russia’s nuclear doctrine”
Arrogant deep state Ivy League people in Americas government are clueless about war and weapons. They hold the military and anyone who owns a gun in disdain.
The NEOCONs and deep state bureaucrats from Tony Blinken and Victoria Nuland on down have never served in the military or combat and have no idea how horrible it can become.
America is use to playing wack-a-mole with aboriginal tribal people who have no ability to really fight back. Dropping a bomb from a drone controlled from America is normal nowadays.
Russia is a major industrial power with nuclear weapons and factories that can out produce the west in bullets, artillery shells, tanks and missiles. Russia has drones
Ukraine has suffered around 150,000 Killed in Action and another 200,000 tragically maimed and not able to serve. Now Ukraine is drafting children as young as 15 to go to the meat grinder.
America has become a sad and sick nation of warmongers making blood money from conflicts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts-BVW6ujT8
russia is not going to lose the war. ukraine is almost done already.
influx of western armaments will fail because they are not logistically viable.
after ukraine fails, russia will have no choice but to march all the way to the western border because uncle sam will certainly foster insurgents just as uncle sam has always done. here is Gen. Douglas McGregor =
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oujb_EfsM&t=901s
Colonel Macgregor. But . . . yeah, pretty much.
oh colonel you are right, i should change it
If we don’t believe that even without saying, the nuclear weapons are not a deterrent. Do we believe the USA government, no matter what party is in power would not use nuclear weapons if it became an existential question? If anything they are more likely to resort to nuclear weapons than Russia with Putin in charge.
It is a deterrent only as long as we believe they would use them.
Medvedev sounds mad as a hatter, and Stoltenberg looks like he’s gunning (pun intended) for a defense contractor lobbying job. Ladies, if there are any left, it is time for your Lysistrata Moment.