Croatian President Zoran Milanovic on Sunday said the US and NATO are waging a proxy war against Russia and criticized the Western sanctions campaign against Moscow, offering rare criticism of the policy from a leader of a NATO country.
“Washington and NATO are waging a proxy war against Russia with the help of Ukraine,” Milanovic said, according to Croatia’s HINA news agency.
“The plan cannot be to remove Russian President Vladimir Putin. The plan cannot be in sanctions. Sanctions are absurd, we will not achieve anything with their help,” he said. “They did not even break Slobodan Milosevic with sanctions. They go from war to war. And what am I supposed to be, a slave of America?”
Milanovic has spoken out against the US and NATO policy in Ukraine and rejected an EU plan to have Croatia help train Ukrainian troops. Milanovic is not alone in his opposition, as the proposal to train Ukrainian soldiers failed to gain the two-thirds majority it needed in Croatia’s parliament.
Explaining his opposition to training Ukrainian troops, Milanovic said he didn’t want to get his country involved in the war. “I do not support this idea because I do not want Croatia to be involved in this war more than is necessary. We are showing fairness and solidarity, and that’s it,” he said.
Brave talk for a little country that is totally depend on US and NATO for its self defense. But if he does not like NATO policies led by the US he is free leave.
It takes two to take advantage, the US should stop “leading” Europe into ever greater militarism for no good reason. They’ll be fine, unless a protection racket situation gets organized again.
At no time was any European state threatened by Russia, the real troublemakers are the Anglo-Saxon and they are not even continental Europeans, and have no joined borders with Russia, that is why they needed Ukraine to be their proxy provoking Russia. It is Biden’s war against Russia, not Putin’s war, Biden was in it from the start way back in 2014 and the bloody regime change of an elected president.
Exactly on point. I guess it’s just too simple for the Putin haters to comprehend.
Apparently hating Putin requires the lack of any historical perspective.
Self defense against whom, precisely? The chermans? They joined NATO because it was an unstated requirement to fully fit into Europe … they probably regret it with every check they write.
It should be said that the proposal to train Ukrainians had to have a 2/3 majority it was only 4 votes short of that
https://apnews.com/article/europe-croatia-european-union-zoran-milanovic-e1fbbc1bb908704b4502df9d752b5cd7
So 60% majority for the action and hence Zoran Milanovic is speaking against the democratic majority in parliament – it will be interesting to see how he and his party does in the next election.
That’s political. You need 2/3 majority and then when that democratically established precondition is inconvenient it isn’t fair and undemocratic except in those cases where I agree with the outcome and then it is very democratically so.
Same thing with referenda. If the people align with the desired outcome it’s a pure celebration of democracy and a glorious tribute to the wisdom of the people. If they don’t then because of their lack of intelligence they fail to understand the subject, have been misinformed and misled by popularism and probably been listening way too much Russian hackers. Also next time there won’t be a next time, because some decisions are too important to be left to the dangerous whims of referenda.
I was not implying that there was something very undemocratic about the specific parliament vote, just saying that it was not the view of the majority – that it in that specific case requires 2/3’s majority is as it perhaps has to be according to Croatian rules, but not indicative of the view of the majority of the people of Croatia as indicated by their votes and hence not an indication that they necessarily by majority support their presidents views on the matter.
WTF do you mean by the desired outcome – the outcome of votes and referenda are what is the desired outcome – people in other countries may have different opinions but that does not change the outcome in the individual countries.
We do not often hold referenda, because of bad prior historical experience with them – but in the cases where we do the politicians proposing to not hold a referendum on any specific issue has to face the public judgement on that stance at the next election, if we do not like what he/she did then they can and often are thrown out of office.
“We do not often hold referenda, because of bad prior historical experience with them..”
Yeah, that’s what I said. When people vote for the wrong answer, that makes referenda bad.
If you do not regard the 1930’ties abuse of this way of disregarding the interests of minorities then perhaps read up on it.
Yeah, yeah nazi’s and their democratic excesses. Justly despised for their care for majority votes. Also pollsters are nazi’s, referenda are fascistic and if they have the wrong outcome, that is just prequel to a new Holocaust. If you didn’t know that, you probably should read it between some lines somewhere.
It was their (ab)use of referenda that was the problem not their use of majority votes in general – but feel free to misunderstand the issues – it explains a lot as to your general standpoints.
Perhaps you should read up on what was the prequel to the actual Nazi power grab in the Weimar republic?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/brexit-germany-referendum-eu-theresa-may-social-housing-a8889846.html
You seem to have missed that the NAZI ‘s were placed in power by a democratic vote in Germany. You keep on extolling “democracy” . ….?
As far as minorities go? You haven’t been too concerned about ethnic Russians being subjected to repressive actions by the 2014 coup regime and its successor regimes. Or outside nations instigating that coup and funding that regimes leaders.
It is my point that democracy allowed the Nazi’s to be elected and the abuse of referenda was partially to blame for the ease with which they did that and the ease with which they eroded the democratic institutions of the Weimar republic – is it your point here that because a democracy preceded the Nazi period, that we should abolish democracy???
As for minorities I would have been very concerned about the Russian minority in Ukraine had things progressed differently, is they did progress I did not have time to find out enough (less than 7 days) from the ousting of the legitimate government to the Russian takeover of Crimea.
What followed would have been unacceptable had it not been for the Russian’s action – seen in the light of the Russian proto annexation of Crimea it was still very regrettable, but fairly easy to understand, as it was the Ukrainians acting on the belief that they were facing a Russian supported attempt at breaking up their state.
If Putin’s concern were for the rights of the Russians in Ukraine, then actually pushing for them to join EU would have done much more for these minorities.
As for outside nations instigating a coup – well that is what Putin tried in February 2022 – neither the US nor Germany(or EU) did this in 2014 – at most they supported some of the people already engaged in protest with advice – the money so often quoted were money given to Ukraine between 1991 and 2014 so most certainly not a funding of a coup.
Finally if a foreign power was to have instigated a coup – then it has never before been seen that the new administration allowed democratic elections, much less that the party in power lost to the challengers in several subsequent elections – that is not how a non popular coup party behaves, so very good evidence that the people that ousted the government in early 2014 did so with popular support and not against the wishes of a large majority of the electorate.
Nope. The roots of the NAZI take over in Germany was WW 1 was Woodrow Wilson’s interference in that war. Without that intervention, the war was ending in a stalement. This would have retained the political balance in Europe for decades
The post armistice the Germans were blockaded in 1919 by the British . 100’s of thousands, mostly women and children starved. This war crime resulted in angry Germans that became the core of the NAZI party.
The cited referendum had zero effect on the NAZI takeover in Germany. This is political propaganda rationalizing the political class control.
Crimea was independent of the Soviet Union before Ukraine. They joined Ukraine as a autonomous region. Their first choice had been to join Russia. The people there, who are predominantly ethnic Russians, decided to withdraw from Ukraine after the US instigated a regime change and put an anti Russian puppet government in place. Too bad. Live with it. Blame the US coup. But clearly, Crimeans have no desire to be under the boot of a state dominated by ethnic Ukrainian nationalists. Likewise, Zelansky’s answer of Ukrainizing or being expelled from their homes is worse than apartheid and criminal.
The idea that post coup regimes don’t seek legitimacy by holding elections is absurd. The fact that Zelansky ran under a platform of peace and reconciliation and instead built up an armed force to subjugate the separatist Donbas regions by force is Dr facto proof that this successor regime to the coup didn’t represent he will of the population.
The Ukrainian people are being used by NATO/US. The sooner they recognize this fact, the better for them.
There were many contributing features to the NAZI’s being able to get power I did not say that Referenda was the only one, but one the key features of the Weimar republic was the ability of citizens to vote on important issues through referenda. However, this system ultimately contributed to the downfall of the Weimar Republic.
First, the frequent use of referenda by extremist political groups, such as the Nazis, undermined the legitimacy of the democratic process. These groups used referenda to gain support for their radical agendas and mobilize their base, which helped them gain power.
Second, the Weimar Constitution allowed for referenda to be used to amend the constitution, which made it easy for extremist groups to change the political system in their favor. This led to a lack of stability and a constant shifting of the political landscape, which further weakened the Weimar Republic.
Finally, the frequent use of referenda also resulted in a lack of effective governance, as political leaders were more focused on winning referenda than on governing. This led to a lack of decisive action on important issues, such as the economic crisis of the 1920s, which further contributed to the collapse of the Weimar Republic.
In summary, the frequent use of referenda in the Weimar Republic contributed to its downfall by undermining the legitimacy of the democratic process, allowing extremist groups to gain power, and resulting in a lack of effective governance.
Missing the point that when they do they almost never lose power – like your friend Putin who has been in power since 2000.
If he had done this then it might have been evidence that he took the threat of the separatist seriously – however there is no evidence that Zelenskyy was building up forces in east Ukraine before Putin started his build up for the SMO by late March early April 2021 – if you have any evidence of any such build up of Ukrainian forces to subjugate the separatists – provide it – otherwise this is a baseless assertion.
Used as in allowed to exercise the sovereignty they were promised in the Budapest Memorandum!?
Finally no the Crimean people did not decide to withdraw from Ukraine after the US instigated a regime change and put an anti Russian puppet government in place – there was less than 7 days between Yanukovych left Ukraine and the Russians took control – at the very least do your homework – the interim government was not yet in power at that point.
Also this is doing the people of Crimea a disservice – they had actually sought more independence several times before 2014 – so you are not even arguing their or the Russian’s case properly.
The Budapest Memorandum affirmed that outside powers would not interfere in Ukraine. That agreement was violated by the USA/ NATO with the coup in 2014.
The idea that the Crimeans’ didn’t seen the handwriting on the wall given the continuing Maiden uprising and the anti Russian rhetoric that was being used, is laughable. Ditto, the Russians would have been stupid not to been prepared. Ukrainian ethnic nationalists can be upset with this reality, but that’s what happened.
Russia could have grabbed the Donbas in 2014. The Kiev regime had a chance to retain those areas. Instead, that regime chose to subject the people there to oppression and to join another violent corrupt organization: NATO. Unfortunately, their is a price to be paid for those decisions.
US/NATO interventions do not have a good track record. This one isn’t going to end well either. The sooner the people of this region recognize this and stop being dupes of NATO, the better off they will be. Act now. Odessa might still be retained. Thousands of lives can be spared.
Stop being stupid. Stop being used by NATO.
If your claim is that the Memorandum was violated, then Ukraine would have to make that claim – Ukraine did not, furthermore the idea that the US/NATO had a central role in ousting the Yanukovych Government has never been proven and was not the reason for neither the Crimean annexation nor the current SMO.
The fact remains that the Crimean’s did not rise up instead we had the Russians making a land grab.
The timeline shows you up for the spreader of falsehoods you are – Igor Girkin was approached by would be separatists in March/April 2014 for help on organizing an armed insurrection in the Donbas – i.e. before the Kyiv government had had time to make a clear policy choice to oppress them much less had the mandate to join NATO – to do so they would have to hold elections – which would have given the people of the Donbas a fair say in their government.
The problem with this statement is that while it is absolutely true that US/NATO interventions have a lousy track record, this is not one, but a Russian intervention – as in there are no US/NATO troops fighting as such in Ukraine, and they did not invade, but the Russians did – how good is the Russian track record of foreign interventions – also very poor.
Try being balanced it helps – once you see that this is a Russian intervention, not a NATO one things becomes more clear.
WTF do you mean?
If you want a brief answer then ask a more specific question – the comment in question had 3 complex points explaining all three in detail will apparently tire a lot of people here.
But in essence the point was that the Croatian president did not speak for a majority in parliament and that there is a working democratic system (Proportional representation) in most EU countries allowing the electorate to throw out of office administrations which they feel denies them the say in politics they want – this is unlike what it is in UK and the US so perhaps that is why the poster had the idea that ‘undesired’ outcomes could be avoided by denying people a say.
What you mean we, white man?
If I use the term ‘we’ in this debate I usually mean the west – or the wider coalition applying sanctions to Russia.
This is why I dislike democracy. It gives people the false delusion that majority opinion is correct and that the politicians are legitimate regardless of their own opinion because they’ve been chosen by the majority and the majority can’t be wrong. At least with a king there’s no need for this pointless political game and everyone knows the king does what he wants with the soft approval of his citizenry
Highly cynical HL.
It might be cynical but it’s true. I mean look at this clown, saying that “well the votes of the politicians in the parliament don’t necessarily reflect the views of the people.” Imagine if the opposite were true, that Croat politicians had chosen to be more openly hawkish on Ukraine. He’s flip the script and start saying “well the politicians represent the will of the people so they must be correct, and if you don’t like just vote them out!”
This sophistry is only possible under democratic regime. I presume many anti war.com folks will be Americans and sympathetic to democratic styles of government. From my point of view pragmatically speaking democratic countries are equally as likely to commit as crimes as undemocratic ones, and the USA is a great example
Not as cynical as H.L. Mencken was. He said, “Democracy is a theory of government whereby you give the people what they want, and you give it to them good and hard.”
Yeah, well if you have Plato’s way and you have some truly wise and righteous philosopher king that might be true. Sadly, empirically we find with a disappointing consistency that kings and to a lesser extent queens are rather more likely to be of the inbred moronic type, most of them stupid in the most unfunny way and in the best of cases unproductive in everything except squandering public money.
You do not know how the protection racket works. Demicrstic majority? Nobody asks populatikn anything. What you see is a show, Four votes short — to olease the publuc that us furious over politicians lacking a backbone and spending money on Ukrsine while people are suffering with worsening economy. So, a little drams, Milankivic can grandstand in front of approving public — and cew days later they will miraculously get the votes.
If referendums are held un Eurklean countries in supporting US Ukraine project – it ekuld be a resounding no. Polls conducted show it. Majorities blsme US for Ukrsinian crisis and for wirsening economy. Majority bieve by large margin that only good relations with Rusdia will solve energy crisis.
They will be asked in the next election, even if only indirectly, in Croatia they will have the option to support their present president a very pro Russian candidate or the opposition who are much less fond of Putin – I’ll grant you it is harder to find such candidates, but we do have them just about everywhere AFD in Germany, Marine Le Pen in France,… they are present in nearly all European countries, we have mostly proportional representation systems so not the kind of stitch up there is in UK and the US – hence we are actually asked about just about everything and if we feel we are not we can run for office and get elected if there is a vacant political space enjoying popular support.
You are may not know Zoran Milanovic’s stance on the issue and pass judgement based on your biased prejudice I refer you to his stance on the whole Ukraine issue:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Milanovi%C4%87#War_in_Ukraine
Which polls show this? Elections and or referenda have been held in several EU countries in 2022, in all cases the result were in support of EU/NATO and for more defense collaboration and in general a tougher stance against the Russian aggression (Denmark, Sweden, Slovenia, France, Italy and Austria) the only clear exception is Hungary which was not quite living up to the ordinary standards of democracy already before 2022.
Not according to the elections already held in 2022 and not in any polls I can find
Slovenia:
https://english.sta.si/3125842/pirc-musar-rings-up-zelensky-to-express-slovenias-support
Italy: pro Ukraine Meloni vs not very pro Ukraine (Friend of Putin) Salvini
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Italian_general_election
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/11/10/italy-is-fully-committed-to-ukraine-support-meloni-tells-nato-chief
Austria:
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/2022/10/07/austrian-president-set-for-re-election-after-dropping-russia-friendly-rhetoric/
Well we have a 2/3 majority democracy too. He will win, the tide is ebbing out, the people are turning against NATO, no demonstration in support of NATO or sanctions.
Where do you live where decisions require a 2/3 majority?
As for the tide ebbing out, well we’ll have to see, so far there is little evidence to suggest it, but maybe you can provide the evidence that is missing?
Unfortunately, by time the tide changing becomes undeniable, a lot of people are going to be maimed and killed. Mostly Ukrainians….
Guess what? The people that instigated this carnage don’t care about Ukrainians. Or anyone else either.
Well certainly as a share of their population – otherwise not at all for sure.
Yes it is very clear that Putin does not care about Ukrainians – neither their wish to be sovereign nor their wish to a member of EU or NATO.
Putin was stopping the installed Regime from “killing their own people” – the Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.
There was an separatist war going on supported by Putin and in the years since Zelenskyy got elected the number of civilians killed were below 2019: 85, 2020: 61, 2021: 36 * – Putin has killed far more civilians in this war even from the Separatist areas just by forcibly conscripting them. Add to this the numbers of Russian speakers his SMO has killed and you have the worst stopping anyone killing their own people action in history!
* In Separatist controlled areasin government controlled the figures were 18, 9, 8 and in no mans land 2, 0, 0
https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf
You forgot the invasion that your hero the actor had ordered just prior to the Russian incursion.
What invasion would that have been?
In DC there is a senate which needs a 2/3 majority to pass a bill and make it veto proof.
Thanks for the answer – it goes some way to explain why things are so dysfunctional in the US.
but it takes only one vote to filibuster a bill to prevent voting of the bill.
I can’t say that I was impressed by the US system, but the more I learn the less impressed I get 🙂
Takes two-thirds to remove a president from office, and boy does the current occupant need to be removed.
The last half dozen POTUS should have been removed from office.
It take 2/3 to change the ‘constitution’ in many countries, which is a fairly OK rule for changing very fundamental issues this is as it should be, changing ordinary laws that are not in conflict with the constitution should not require 2/3 majority – removing an elected president who has not violated the law or the constitution should require at least 2/3 majority – naturally subject to the constitution and election system of the democracy in question.
It’s certainly not surprising that a country where large numbers of the population revere Ante Pavelic would have many members of parliament who favor support for the forces of a country where Stepan Bandera is revered.
So you are for judging a people based on the sins of their ancestors?
Reading comprehension again. Read my post again and pay attention to verb tense.
You are judging people based on your perception of the past*, a past that these people do not share and have likely been told a very different version of – so yes you are indeed judging the Ukrainians on the sins of Stepan Bandera which you regard as common knowledge – though knowing only the Soviet version not the version told in Ukraine.
(a perception I happen to share regarding Ante Pavelic but less so regarding Stepan Bandera)
Verb tense. Look it up.
Maybe Michel just doesn’t do verb tense. This might explain why none of the folks on the NATO bandwagon have any idea where this conflict came from.
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Maybe Michel just doesn’t do verb tense. This might explain why none of the folks on the NATO bandwagon have any idea where this conflict came from.
The majority of US politicians were in favor of invading Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and other nations. How wise was that?
I sympathise with the plight of the Ukrainian people, but frankly they aren’t too bright. Dying for the US deep state neo -cons and a failing hegemonic order isn’t going to end well. Then again, the US population isn’t any better.
“Democracy” has proven very useful to those rule Western nations. They only have to control/own the propaganda institutions of media and educations. Much more efficient than overt force. Of course, sooner or later……..
“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
— Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Since the turn of the 20th century, it’s been an open secret:
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.” Edward Bernays (Committee of Public Information under Woodrow Wilson).
Very unwise as is the Russian Duma’s support for invading Ukraine.
Well if that was why they are dying then they would be not too bright, but they believe they are fighting to remain a sovereign nation free to seek their own prosperity independent of what Putin wants.
Are you a communist or just suffering from the kind of hubris that allows you to claim that you alone knows what would be in the best interests of the people of the western nations?
Yet only Putin has taken his country into war – the Ukrainians did not have a choice, and the west is not at war none of our cities are being attacked and only a small fraction of our GDP is devoted to defense.
Your problem being that your friends the Russians have tried hard to influence many populations in Europe and failed to convince even their own close allies like Kazakhstan, not to mention their supposed brother people the Ukrainians and your only explanation is that some nebulous group is manipulating us all to opt for the system we have over dominance from people like Putin and Xi.
Try selling the people the idea that they would be happier living under despots like Putin and Xi and you will find that no matter the propaganda there will be few that opt for your utopia.
Good propaganda spiel. You should work for the US State Dept. You’d fit right in – complete lack of emphasis on diplomacy should earn you a top post.
The job is made all the easier by Putin no spiel really needed.
You say too much in every post. It comes across as shouting. If you want to have a conversation, you need to address issues in debatable chunks.
I answer the points people raise in the debate, I very seldom add unrelated points. If you have any examples of me engaging in scatter gun type posts, please quote it – I have no intention of engaging in that type of exchange.
I’m about as far from being a communist as it is possible to be. You on the other hand, clearly have an attraction to despotic rule.
Pretending that the Ukraine regime is an innocent party to this debacle is absurd. Almost as absurd as the claim that Ukraine is run by freedom loving rulers that deeply care for the people of Ukraine. Ukraine is ruled by political gangsters.
Seeing as I am against Putin’s 20+ years as ‘elected’ lead of Russia and his invasion of a country that Russia had recognized as sovereign it is pretty clear that given your support of his and Russia’s role in this, you are the one of us who is attracted to despotism.
What part of any foreign country did they invade?
Well I’ve bot made that claim, what I have claimed is that in Ukrainian elections the party in power has lost their seats at the last two elections – so you know a democracy where the opposition has a real chance of getting elected into office – i.e. not a despotic rule by one party.
“it is pretty clear that given your support of his and Russia’s role in this, you are the one of us who is attracted to despotism.”
How do I “support” Russia’s role in this action? I do not advocate any nation extorting money or lives from it’s citizens for either Russia or Ukraine. You, on the other hand, actively do just that. You are the antagonist here.
How Russia ends up with their rulers is an internal Russian affair. It should be pretty obvious that polices seeking to regime change have been disastrous for the people of the target countries. Currently, the most destructive example of these policies is Ukraine. This began in in 2014. You keep missing that the US/NATO instigated this. If you want to find a culprit look there. Both Ukraine and Russia are victims.
Right on the mark, and the quotes you chose are very apt. In today’s America, Chomsky calls it ‘manufacturing consent’, which is just a variation or refinement of Bernays’ approach. And of course it goes much further and more broadly than war-making: almost every aspect of US society is now saturated with media propaganda, deftly engineered for some disguised purpose. I look at the NYT, WaPo, and The Guardian every day and it’s increasingly difficult to find any article that is just plain news reporting. Almost all the articles contain moral opinions, nudges, or scolds, and all of it feels like attempts at social engineering a la Bernays. It’s exhausting to read, but at least I can see which way the political wind is blowing, and occasionally I find a nugget of fact.
He is free to go where? He was speaking to his people in his country and in his language. Many European countries depend on US through NATO. And they all know that they need no protection, as nobody has any reason fot attacking them. Least of all Russia. The protection racket works in the ssmevway a mafioso “protects” store owners for money,
This is why in moments of frustrated honesty the “protected” one dpeaks against the protector dragging the whole block into the war. But his bravado is empty. Once you owe snything to Mafia —- they can ask for anything.
Sometimes a protection racket needs a object lesson:
“Such a nice gas pipeline you have here. Supplying really cheap gas to your industry and homes. Be a shame if something happened to it. Ya know, lotta bad things can happen to a country. Yer going to need NATO for protection.”
Russia does not threaten Croatia, so they need no NATO protection. No NATO member has been threatened by Russia, not a single one, don’t forget that. Most likely in the end there will be no NATO left anyway.
Hmm. How’s that dependence on US-NATO working out for Ukraine?
Great question. NATO members should take a close look. Ukrainians if they are lucky they will end up just another failed nation.
They’ll be lucky if it’s not much worse.
Obey us or else.
These are exactly the kind of words Americans use to make other nations hate us.
In rhe past, the US was powerful enough to enforce its obey us or die position. Shock and Awe war against Iraq and Libya, and sanctions against Cubs and Venezuela demonstrated our commitment to this ideal.
We are losing our ability to enforce this world wide.
Free to leave NATO? That’s not how it works. Milanovic might wind up being happy if he can get out of Croatia ahead of Victoria Nuland’s next color revolution.
I like the guy.
and Orban of Hungary. A little light at the end of the tunnel. We can only hope the light is getting bigger
The opposition voices are getting louder, about time.
Hungary conducted nation wide poll to determine support of population for anti-Russia sanctions. Result? 97% of population disaprives of sanctions and Hunngary will be adming EU to reconsider.
No wonder Croatian politicians are having cold feet.
Hungary must have a free press and informed citizens.
The Russian MOD is fighting a very successful war of attrition disarming NATO (Ukraine was disarmed in March), tank by tank, artillery by artillery, air defense by air defense. Poland has called up 200,000 reserves, Ukraine is collapsing and Poland/Romania are now being called up to die for empire. What the empire looses in the Ukraine, they loose for the final NATO war against Russia.
NATO overall has accumulated the following equipment losses;
372 Aircraft, 200 helicopters, 2885 UAV’s, 401 Anti Aircraft systems, 7537 tanks inc. APC’s, 983 multiple rocket launchers, 3841 rocket launchers and 8066 military automotive equipment.
In the past year we have seen the Rules Based Order act in a state of criminal insanity. They blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline which will cause the deindustrialisation of Europe. The shelling the Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Station in an effort to cause a nuclear accident. The planning of a false flag nuclear weapon detonation on their own soil!!! This is the actions of criminally insane psychopaths.
Yes yes yes. Please speak up and be honest about this proxy war.
Interesting because I had expected such language to come from Serbia.
Agreed, but we have understand that Mr. Vučić is still hypnotized by that EU carrot dangling in front of him.
Nice to see him step up. Wish more would do the same.
It’s sad, but the level of corruption in Ukraine prior to this war was outrageous.
Not going to get into what arms/supplies are going where, but, and more importantly, the messier this gets as this country is fast-tracked to being leveled , will only result in a bigger and fatter Mother of Sweet Deals for BlackRock.
Great opportunity for them as the level of corruption will be an order of magnitude higher when all’s said and done.
‘Vlad the Lesser’ will probably even have a seat on the Board of Directors. 😉
Amen. I love that line about being a slave to America, its not like much can be done right now but that’s what needs to be said. Croatia’s political regime has always been vassal like, subordinating itself to other powers like Hungary, Italians, Austrians, the Germans for protection. It’s astonishing to me the amount of “nationalist” ustaši who love Germany but hate Serbia. I guess being a slave to Germans is preferable to them then friendship with their own slavic brothers. Serbians have their own crimes too but at least they went down fighting.
A “mysterious” drone crashed near Zagreb in March, an old Soviet drone. They’ve been conducting an “investigation” into who was responsible – of course Russia was blamed was never convicted. Almost one year later and there still has been no final “conclusion” on the matter.
You make a good point regarding former alliances as it underscores the Balkan Tragedy. Serbians and Croatians have more similarities than differences, but they allowed external influences and nationalism to further separate them.
Good for Croatia! I say this meaningfully because my MIL is Croatian.
We even have a grapevine on our property that her father brought when he emigrated here; it’s had several homes, but it came to live here years ago. It produces fabulous “Croatian grape jelly”!
NEOCONs from (thankfully dead) John Insane McCain to Victoria Nuland have been active in overthrowing governments for years.
Their attempt in the country of Georgia failed due to the population that revolted against them, but in Ukraine they were able to stage a coup and now are fomenting World War 3.
Disgusting!
Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu presented his plan to take the armed forces to 1.5 million personnel. He explained the need for the ramping up in personnel numbers due to the NATO “proxy war” in Ukraine and the aggression of the US and EU.