In an address to Ukraine’s parliament on Wednesday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in 10 months of the war, his country has helped the West “find itself again” and provided a “historic opportunity.”
“In 10 months of this year, we helped everyone. We helped the West find itself again, return to the global arena and feel how much the West prevails. No one in the West is afraid of Russia anymore and will never be,” Zelensky said, according to his presidential website.
Zelensky said Ukraine helped Europe and that now some traditionally neutral European countries are reconsidering the policy. “We helped Europe and most of the world feel that being neutral now is, pardon me, immoral,” he said.
The Ukrainian leader said that his country has given “each of our partners a unique and very important feeling and a historic opportunity — to be a winner together with Ukraine.”
He vowed that Ukraine would win the war and said that the country would advance its own weapons production and that its “military-industrial complex” would become one of the best in the world. “Ukraine and the Ukrainian military-industrial complex was and will be one of the most powerful in Europe and the world, I am sure of that,” he said.
Kyiv’s Western supporters are also hoping to see a strong Ukrainian military-industrial complex. POLITICO reported in October that NATO has a 10-year plan to help boost Ukraine’s military and arms industry to make Kyiv “fully interoperable” with the military alliance, demonstrating the West’s long-term plans for the country.
Zelensky made the speech not long after his visit to Washington DC, where he addressed Congress and asked for more aid. So far, Congress has authorized about $112 billion in spending on the war in Ukraine, and more is expected to be approved in the future.
“In 10 months of this year, we helped everyone. We helped the West find itself again…. No one in the West is afraid of Russia anymore and will never be,” Zelensky said. Hello out there in the Beltway, is anyone listening? You the dupers are being duped. The self-aggrandizement is amazing, truly fit for the world stage. Wish it were, however, being played out at the Restaurant at the End of Universe instead of our humble little Earth.
Maybe he was referring to the West “finding itself” in a catastrophic war with Russia, which was the Zionist intent all along.
People like Biden/Zelensky and the Washington cabal needs a loud and clear reminder that Russia is a nuclear superpower and can reach Washington D.C. and the Pentagon and NEW YORK.
And there is China and little Kim of N. Korea on the other side of the continent.
They have delusions, they better get down to earth. But they are brainless, they believe their own propaganda.
Sorry, Renate, these are “true believers” we’re talking about. Most Zionists in the USA are so-called Christian. Chris Hedges says that there are 50 million of them. Their end-times eschatology includes a catastrophic war with Iran and Russia. They also believe that the Earth was created exactly 6025 years ago because they’ve counted up the “begats” in the Scofield Reference Bible. Fully one quarter of Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth. There’s no telling any of these folks that what they believe is a bunch of hooey.
I believe you, it explains the insanity around us, but that many and so powerful, is hard to digest.
“which was the Zionist intent all along.”
that “intent all along”…would that be part of the same ‘international Jewish conspiracy’ the Rothschilds were said to be part of?
and wouldja’ share the texts for yr “Zionist intent all along” claim you keep repeating on this website?
curious where yr ideas come from – and surely you want to educate others about this “Zionist” plot in the offing so we can stop this dastardly international plot before it takes over america…
…’less it’s too late because those clever Jews already control the US press…hey wait, NYT and Israel…Jews in both – ohhh, I think I see a pattern!
No, it is the intent of 50 million Christian Zionists in the USA, 80% of them voted for Trump in 2020. It was for them that he killed the Iran nuclear deal and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. They are the heart and soul of the Republican Party and are the single largest voting block in the USA.
“When 50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians join with 5 million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel, it is a match made in heaven.” – Pastor John Hagee
“No one in the West is afraid of Russia anymore and will never be,” Zelensky said, according to his presidential website.
Yah, nothing to fear, but fear itself. Very profound. Those 6000 or whatever the number of Russian nuclear weapons either aren’t real or they won’t work. And “I” am such a charming fellow that my friends and supporters will keep giving me five, ten & twenty billion a month until I’m a trillionare! Then “I’ll pay for everything from the interest on my trillions.” No problem there. What could possibly go sideways or wrong?
The arrogance of this man has no bounds.
Bibi, move over!
Yup, it really let the west fully embrace its military industrial roots.
Zelensky is helping neocons to establish neo-Nazi regimes in Europe.
It’s Putin who supports AFD and National Rally – you know the actual neo-Nazi organizations and that’s why they are loyal to him.
Compared to Ukrainian Nationalism, I would classify the AfD as the liberal left.
Well give us some examples of the outrageous things the Ukrainians have done under Zelenskyy before the Russians invaded, which would make the AfD look as the liberal left!
things the Ukrainians have done under Zelensky
Genocide.
Brilliant assertion but failing documentation.
You’re tedious.
While you are providing assertions without any evidence or even arguments to support them – which is worse for a debate.
You’re not here for debate. You’re just a lonely guy from a gloomy country wanting attention who drags the discussion out to the point of absurdity.
I have a life and it’s too short to waste talking to the likes of you.
I’d say it’s you who are not here to debate – you never do, you only provide baseless assertions and fail every chance to argue your views.
The shelling of civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. The massacres of Odessa and Mariupol of 2014. Rape and murder committed by Tornado and other right-wing organizations. The sniper killings on the Maidan. Numerous assassinations of journalists, dissidents, and mayors. Innumerable cases of humiliations, intimidations and terrorization of ethnic minorities, including Russians, Magyars and Roma. Zelensky even got a race law through the Rada which effectively makes ethnic-Russian Ukrainians second class citizens, ostensibly in preparation for the ethnic cleansing and/or genocide of the Russians once the Donbas and Crimea had been taken by force. That was a clear signal to the Russians of things to come, which Putin understood very well.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
Civilian deaths in Donbas:
Year – Controlled by:
——–LPR
——–DPR—-Ukr– none
2018 – 128 — 27 — 7
2019 – 85 —- 18 — 2
2020 – 61 —- 9 —- 0
2021 – 36 —- 8 —- 0
this does not in anyway support the notion that Zelenskyy was scaling up the civil conflict or committing any outrageous acts – quite the contrary it supports the idea that the conflict was being scaled back (by Zelenskyy).
All well before Zelenskyy was elected.
Any documentation that these were under or increased by Zelenskyy’s administration i.e. post 2018 and as indicated before the SMO?
What race law was that???
The source for the deaths in the Donbas is:
https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf
a) the conflict did not start with Zelensky,
b) just because they elected a clown doesn’t mean you can reset the victims to zero
c) the clown is just another puppet of the nasties that have ruled the country since 2014
d) the majority of the 14,000 people killed in the civil war are civilians in the Donbas
e) the Kyiv regime deliberately targeted civilians by bombing, shelling, cutting pensions, cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting financial services, etc. In fact, Poroshenko said he wanted the “children of the Donbas to hide in the basements, while the children of Kyiv would go to school.” And now they have the nerve of complaining about the Russians cutting the electricity to Ukraine.
f) the law on the indigenous people of Ukraine of 2021
Let’s face it, they have turned full-fascist. Any attempt at whitewashing their crimes will lead to fascism becoming mainstream in Ukraine and Europe. You should consider if it is that what you want. Even the professional killers of the Mozart group consider Ukraine to be a “corrupt and f*cked up society”.
“the majority of the 14,000 people killed in the civil war are civilians in the Donbas”
According to what source? According to the UN, civilian casualties in the Donbas were neither the majority nor even the largest group. The largest group was Ukrainian regime troops, followed by civilians, followed by separatist troops, followed by Russian troops.
Agreed, but your claim was that ‘Compared to Ukrainian Nationalism, I would classify the AfD as the liberal left.‘, which it could be, but that would be irrelevant if they (as is the case according to me) are without much political influence.
Which is why I asked you to give us some examples of what the Ukrainians have done under Zelenskyy to make the nature of Ukrainian nationalism relevant to the debate.
No but as it does show that they want a new direction, it does remove the justification that the Ukrainian nationalism is potentially very ugly from applying about 3 years after the last ultra nationalist lost his seat in parliament.
Which is why I say that you have to give us examples of the outrageous acts they have done during Zelenskyy’s tenure before the start of the SMO.
No the civilian casualties are at about 3404 so not the majority – but yes they are (on both sides) all living in the Donbas area.
https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf
As far as I know the fight is going on where the DPR stations troops and artillery in build up areas (like the Ukrainians did in the start of the SMO) so civilian casualties were unavoidable and as pointed out they are on both sides!
Do you have a link to this statement?
How does a law that grants rights to some indigenous people (which does not include Russians):
I can see that it does not guarantee special rights and protections to Russian speakers, but not that it deprives them of any nor that it makes them second class citizens let alone that it prepares ethnic cleansing!
This you base on the omission of Russian speakers from one law – or do you have actual evidence – I ask because as I have shown the civilian casualties have been reduced dramatically and if they as they claim want to be members of EU ethnic cleansing is out of the question as is even depriving some minorities of most rights.
It could, but so far you have not documented any crimes during the Zelenskyy tenure up until the start of the SMO – so…
I do not want to whitewash any crimes of the Ukrainians, but I do want them documented before I pass judgement – a thing that you have failed to do.
The Mozart is not professional killers, some of them may be, but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_Group
Moreover:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart_Group
Finally and most importantly the fact that (irrespective of what the Mozart group may have said or not) Ukraine corrupt society does not mean that it is fascist or more importantly were so before February 2022.
Zelensky’s election did not change anything. He is just a puppet. The forces that control the government, both Poroshenko and Zelensky, are 1) the oligarchs, 2) the ultra-nationalists and 3) Washington. If anything, Poroshenko had more agency than Zelensky. The ultra-nationalists openly threatened Zelensky that he would hang from a tree in Kyiv if he didn’t do their bidding. That’s not a joke. There have been numerous killings. One of the Ukrainian negotiators in the peace talks in Belarus was shot in broad daylight because he wanted to make peace. The ultra-nationalists toppled Yanukovich in 2014 and have fought in the Donbas at a time regular soldiers refused to kill their brothers and sisters in the Donbas. It doesn’t matter how many seats they win in the elections, which are meaningless anyways, they derive their power from the threat of violence.
Re. Poroshenko: https://youtu.be/aHWHqj8g7Bk
Like the Nuremberg race laws of the N/zis, Ukraine’s race law of 2021 gives different rights according to ethnicity:
1) Ukrainians have full citizen rights;
2) two ethnic groups who mainly live in Israel and Crimea have been given protection as minority ethnic groups, even though the few hundred individuals actually living Ukraine have no rights to schooling, etc., in their language;
3) ethnic groups with a STATEHOOD OUTSIDE OF UKRAINE, ie. Russians, Hungarians, Rumanians, etc. They either leave or assimilate. They have no right to their own culture whatsoever. The Russian culture is an important part of Ukraine and millions of Russian native speakers live in Ukraine. Yet the Russian culture from Pushkin to Tolstoy from Count Potemkin the Catherin the Great who have founded cities in Ukraine is being systematically eradicated together with a target of 100 million books in Russian.
Instead monuments are built to the mass murders of the holocaust including Bandera and the members of the SS Division Galicia, by those who follow in their footsteps.
https://youtu.be/QxcB0PI4ZLg?t=2
The powers that control/influence government in practice only changes when there are very serious revolutions – this holds true for all democracies indeed for many non democratic states – so this is not an argument that Ukraine is not democratic.
The ultra nationalists did not get much more non political power in 2014, they got more political influence, that influence they lost in 2019, the non political (non elected) influence returned to the levels of pre 2014. Washington has the same influence as it does in South Korea or Poland.
So your argument that Ukrainian nationalists are worse than the AFD (which I guess was to justify the SMO) is based on a post SMO situation – nationalists will be more agitated when their country is invaded, so we just do not know what the AFD would do in a similar situation. Also I would like to see the documentation for the nationalists murdering negotiators.
No the regular soldiers were not trained or equipped to fight – and the fight was not to kill their brothers and sisters but to fight a Russian backed insurrection – finally the ultra nationalists were just one part of the forces that toppled Yanukovich in 2014 – (the ultra nationalists are at their core supported by something less than 5% of the Ukrainian population – more in the times of invasions obviously).
Documentation for this would be necessary – they did not AFAIK seem to achieve any of their political goals in spite of government policy between 2019 and 2021 so there is not even circumstantial evidence that I can see for this claim.
Thanks for the link to Poroshenko’s revolting speech – two points:
1) he did not say that he wanted them to hide in their basements, but that they would – there is a difference
2) there is a difference between starting an insurrection and having people like Poroshenko visiting the consequences of that upon your population and being attacked by a foreign nation – in the first it is a conflict of their choice in the second it is not.
None of that still IMO justifies Poroshenko’s statement.
That is not what the law does however – the law only extends special rights to a few small minorities – like the laws in the US does to the Indians or the Danish law does to the Germans – i.e. these laws do not deprive other minorities of rights, they just guarantees those of specific minorities.
Agreed – the Ukrainian law you mentioned does not take a single right from them however – not one!
While I would not support making statues of such people, I’m fairly sure that they do not make such statues to support these people’s stance with Hitler, but their stance vis-a-vis Stalin – at the time to some (not all that many) Ukrainians standing with Hitler to fight the evil that communism under Stalin had visited upon Ukraine seemed the better choice – in hindsight it is easy to forget this – the nationalists that stand against Putin see only the good and not what Hitler would have done to Ukrainians (too) had he won.
Please stop confusing “us” with “you”; instead of “well give us some examples”…..you should say, “well give me some examples.”
So this is all you can come up with – pretty weak – as this is a debate with multiple people participating I cannot see the problem acknowledging that any example will be provided not just for me but for all who are interested – thus though it is only me asking for it here, what is the problem saying that it is provided for all?
Yes, big time. But, he didn’t help Washington “find itself”. It’s never been “lost”. Even the brief interlude of “social democracy” (new deal-ism) was massively interrupted by war. The structure of its history is not
“… to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, ….”
but War.
Ah, yes, more words of wisdom from the modern Churchill …
It’s all so juvenile … who falls for this nonsense? Better yet, who needs this kind of nonsense?
Maybe Zelensky is right and the true nature of the West is fascism.
The verdict is still out. And I’m hoping against hope, but there are signs that Europe will follow Ukraine into economic depravation and political unrest, which will then be brought under control by fascist regimes.
Francis Fukuyama, the prophet of liberal democracy, is already praising the virtues of the deep state.
In the free market capitalist democracy, which USA were in 19th century, some individuals always are getting superrich. After accumulating fabulous wealth, they have to protect it from an eventual expropriation. So, they are involved in the politics in order not to allow the socialists to get the political power. Little by little they are taking control of the mass media and the political process and the free market democracy coverts into the oligarchy. In times of political crisis, oligarchs always rely upon far-right organizations.
The USA was certainly “capitalist” in the 19th century, but it was far from “free market.” The very first laws passed by Congress after ratification of the US Constitution were trade restrictions. The spread of railroads was powered by government policy and government funding, especially in the form of massive land grants and land expropriations.
“Capitalism” is an opposite of “free markets.”
Yes. But:
The notion that “free markets” have independent existence, rather than being constructs of organized society is nonsense.
The concept of “the market” is entirely dependent upon societal convention and community or government enforcement. Absent those elements, greedy people with big clubs always dominate “economies.”
Of course, when greedy people with big clubs own the governments and dominate the societies that create markets . . .
Whether I agree with you or not, your statements boil down to the claim:
Free markets can’t exist.
And if they don’t exist, then they aren’t a feature of “capitalism,” which does exist. So I fail to see where we disagree on my claim that “capitalism” and “free markets” are mutually exclusive.
We don’t disagree on your claim.
And free markets can indeed exist, if freedom includes my freeing you from the goods or services I desire with the assistance of my superior strength. Other than that, no.
Name a country you think has a truly free market.
Sure!
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“Capitalism is an opposite of free markets” – no, it isn’t. It is never black and white but still the capitalists are making their money using the free market institutions.
Which “free market institutions” are you referring to? There are two kinds of market institutions in the US: Government-regulated (i.e. capitalist) and illegal.
The main free market institution is one which does protect the private property. Once you have it protected, you can try to increase it.
What the US has is crony capitalism bought by plutocrats and oligarchs, who are the shadow government. There is nothing “free” about it. They can go trade, exploit humans and resources, but there are few promoted and buoyed in the system. (corporate) Business and wealth growth is king (for a few).
I am talking about the logical evolution of the free market capitalism. Even if you create a perfect free market system, some fish inside your system will grow too big and ruin your perfect free market system converting it into a perfect oligarchy. To avoid such a scenario, you need a strong uncorrupted state which is able to resist the pressure from the billionaires. China is a good example. You may argue that Chinese communist party elite is corrupted. Maybe it is, but not to such a degree that it would allow the billionaires influence their political decisions (the number of $ billionaires in China is greater than one in US).
Hence the Pujo Commission, the examination by Louis Brandeis.
The right to own property is enshrined in the market economy. That’s not why the oligarchs have to control the government. The oligarchs want to control the government to use their political influence for getting concessions or public contracts that allow them to pillage the public coffers for the own benefit.
Of course they are using their political influence for their own benefits. But first of all, as I stated in the beginning, they can’t allow themselves to be indifferent to the politics because they have to protect what they already have.
They run them.
Zelensky sounds like he has Shamanistic qualities… Many of us go through years of psycho-therapy to ‘find ourselves’… Well, Zelensky’s healing comes with a hefty price tag…And puts us in potential conflict with Russia… A little bit of fear is good for the soul.
The ones that drown are those unafraid of the water!!!!!!!
Also, when you drown, it makes no difference if it’s in one foot or hundreds of feet of water.
If things get too bad, he can head for his villa in Italy.
Looks like he is playing a little Hitler and thinks it is for real.
“Zelensky Says Ukraine Has Helped the West ‘Find Itself’ In an address to parliament, Zelensky said Ukraine has given its partners a ‘historic opportunity'”
Cocaine can cause hallucination.
I laughed out loud…!
haha!
Hah!
I wonder if they picked Zelensky to be the Emperor because he’s great at delivering a script, or because they can always appeal to his vanity.
Great on a piano……………
Both.
He’s an actor and was already in with oligarchs. So pre-screened for performance work.
The bleaker the prospect, the more extravagant his rhetoric.
Is that true? It’s hard to tell what’s going on over there with all of the psyops.
After a year during which this bombastic moron with delusions of grandeur has been front and center in Western media, large segments of society still see him as a hero. That reveals a dismal reality. Many, perhaps most, of our fellow citizens are truly ignorant, no better than half-bright, and easily-led.
But the neocon cabal believes its own propaganda, they live on another planet.
It would be great if that was literally true…
Maybe Space center can donate some missiles and we could shoot them where the sun don’t shine? By God, we can do without them.
Considering the MSM and the U.S. mis-education system, it’s no wonder this is the case.
Edward Bernays grew the success for Madison Avenue through a naive public.
Will Rogers: “It isn’t what we don’t know that gives us problems, it’s what we know that ain’t so” “If stupidity got us into the mess, the why can’t it get us out?”
~ maybe Mark Twain
Sometimes it is definitely so. Particular when the lie is flattering. Nationalistic one for example.
That name is a blast from the past…
He really is disgusting. Which he can be because he knows the leftist media will never call him on it. He is living off our tax money, and his party and their allies in parliament voted themselves a 70% salary increase in the summer, paid by those Westerners who have no choice in paying Biden’s co-conspirator. And they rarely show up in parliament, but they show up on the riviera and in the Caribbean. He “helped”?
“return to the global arena”. Because Biden wasn’t there already, destroying the Iranian economy, sanctioning Russia and Syria and others.
“No one in the West is afraid of Russia anymore”. We weren’t “afraid” of Russia. We were WORKING WITH Russia, until Zelensky amassed his army to invade Donbass. Europe was buying Russian gas and oil and was trading with Russia every day. If it hadn’t been for the Kiev regime and Biden’s criminal actions we’d now have Nord Stream 2 as well.
The social democrats in Sweden and Finland have held up neutrality as a sacred principle for generations, the entire Cold War. It was forbidden to question it. But after just a few months of conflict with a CONSERVATIVE Russia instead of a communist one, they ditched that immediately and wanted to join Biden’s NATO. Because now the leftists are firmly entrenched in the White House while the Right is in Russia. “This war is ultimately about LGBTQ rights!” And how dare Russia question the mass immigration which the socialists rely on entirely to win elections? Destroy them! Neutrality bad!
As if neutrality was ditched for the sake of “morality”. The chutzpah of this guy. He got to be president because he was in a TV show where he was fighting the oligarchs, but he was picked and financed by the oligarch Kolomoisky. He was elected to stop the shelling of Donbass, but increased it. Everything about Zelensky has been false.
Why are you calling the corporate media owned by oligarchs “leftist media”? Are you sure that the warmongering and unconditional support of Kiev neo-Nazi regime is politically “left”?
Sweden and Finland are abandoning the neutrality not because they are socialist, but because they accepted the unipolar world and taking orders from Washington.
Finland and Sweden are abandoning neutrality because they feel threatened by Russian expansionism.
There is no “expansionism” and there is no threat, but you see here in practice that when nations feel threatened they act upon their security-notions rather than security-facts. This for some reason is easy to understand for Finland or Sweden or the US, but suddenly completely impossible to grasp when it is Russia. This selective cognitive incapacity is remarkably persistent, far more than can be explained by stupidity alone.
At the moment Neocon central AEI have soured on Sweden joining Nato.
Sweden and Finland reacted upon facts:
1) Russia attacked a neighbor country
2) Russia issued threats to Finland
You may wish to not label the Russian annexation of 4 additional Ukrainian oblasts as expansionism but to all states it is exactly that – which is why even Russian CSTO partner Kazakhstan is worried and why so few of them voted to support Russia on this.
Because Russia’s acts upon its fear for its security has to be paid for by the freedom of peoples of other nations.
Pretty sure this is all very easily understood – even if we operate with your idea that Finland and Sweden only felt threatened and the Russian invasion of Ukraine and annexation of 4 more oblasts of Ukraine was just a figment of their imagination – their acts did not mean that any other nations had to suffer restriction of their freedoms.
I should probably find it less remarkable than I do but somehow, you’ve managed to miss the point while making it for me.
Great I did not know or pick up on that you point was that Russia is acting with no regards for other peoples freedom when they merely feel that their security concerns are potentially threatened, while Finland and Sweden acted upon actual developments that changed the basis for their neutrality stance.
But good to see that this was indeed your point.
No, you missed it again. And Russia did only finally act when no other choice was left to them. I do mean deliberately, as put elegantly together by that piece of Jeremy Kuzmarov in CovertAction Magazine on these pages today.
And so now we are here, the US and Ukraine got what they so desperately wanted with all the ensuing predictable en predicted horrible consequences.
And so now the plan on the part of the US and Ukraine seems to be to exacerbate the situation wherever and whenever they can. Lots of support for it too.
No choice left, to change what exactly, Ukraine was not about to join neither NATO nor EU, so just what is it that you claim is their reason to have to act specifically in February 2022 (i.e. that no other choice was left)? It is not transparent from the Jeremy Kuzmarov in CovertAction Magazine article what determined the timing of the SMO and at what point there was no other choices left.
You have failed to argue why the US would want a war in Ukraine by February 2022, why they were so ill prepared for it if they indeed wanted it, and why Ukraine would want a war with Russia when they were clearly taken aback by the timing and also fairly ill prepared (they did not manage to blow the bridges to Crimea nor the one to Kherson).
Mind sharing any of that support if you are talking about evidence that is?
Now you’re trying to make a point about the exact date the war began that isn’t.
Scholz, meaning the EU, by the way pleaded with Zelensky to refrain from joining Nato and declare neutrality in the build-up to the war, trying to get to some sort of agreement with Russia, but Zelensky, undoubtedly with US assurances, told him to go feck himself. Both of them don’t share your assessment of the status on the process of Ukraine’s Nato ascension.
But you did offer some explanatory context about why you are not able to see the amount of support and enthusiasm there exists – ah well primarily in the West that is true – for ever further escalating the war. Or maybe you’re tripping over the word ‘exacerbate’ and would like to see something like ‘remedy’ instead. It still means Ukraine is going to suffer for it. That means the ordinary folk.
“Because Russia’s acts upon its fear for its security has to be paid for by the freedom of peoples of other nations.” Notice there is no mention of the instigator of the fear – the U.S. of A.
That does not change the fact that Russia acts upon a fear of future events while Finland and Sweden acts upon fears based upon Russian actions unfolding this very year.
“far more than can be explained by stupidity alone” – the persistent Russo-phobic brainwashing made people of The West behave irrationally. Germans, for example, even after the destruction of Nord Stream, are still supporting US and their Ukrainian neo-Nazi puppets. They are absolutely loyal to the strategy of “anti-Russian sanctions” (which are more anti-German than anti-Russian). Sometimes it looks like a comedy.
Sometimes it looks like a comedy.
More often it’s looking like a riot.
Then Merkel blurts out that Minsk agreements were stalling measures to arm Ukraine.
She told the truth. By the way, later she repeated this again. Probably, she is sure that German people approve it. Maybe they do.
Fear buys elections. Fear gives the MIC more than it wants.
Just look at the map and read the news from RT. Russia “annexed” Donesk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and Kherson. Ironically, they are bombing the territory they claim they annexed because the Ukrainians are fighting back. Putin’s insane vacillations would be comical if the man didn’t have 6,000 nukes under his command.
You are talking nonsense; Donetsk and other places which are incorporated now in Russia, are suffering from Ukrainian (NATO) artillery and not from Russian one. Russian artillery is attacking Ukrainian and NATO troops both inside Ukraine and in those new Russian territories which are at the moment occupied by Ukrainian (NATO) army.
It looks like the Ukrainians are effectively fighting the Russian army while the Russians are ineffectively fighting the Ukrainian people. Not the best way to win hearts and minds.
Look at the pictures. The survivors in Kherson and Kharkiv were happy to see the Russians leave and the Ukrainians arrive.
Most citizens of Kherson went to the left bank together with Russian army. Those who decided to stay in Kherson, probably, mostly, were sympathizers of Kiev regime. There are a lot of such even in the eastern regions.
You admitted yesterday that most Ukrainians oppose the Russian invasion when you said:
“Look at Ukraine. Their living standards deteriorated drastically in the last 9
years, and yet the nation is remaining loyal to Kiev pro-American regime.”
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Russian minority in Ukraine doesn’t belong to Ukrainian nation. Ukraine was always politically divided between pro-western central and western regions and pro-Russian south-east. Southern and eastern regions were incorporated into Ukraine by Bolsheviks. Historically those regions were Russian. Ukrainian ethnos developed in those Ukrainian regions which in 17-18 centuries were under polish rule.
You can look at results of presidential elections 2004 and 2010 in Ukraine by the regions. For example, in 2010 Donetsk region voted by overwhelming majority for Yanukovich (over 90%) while the pro-western candidate got the overwhelming majority in western regions.
They fear American sanctions more.
Not even remotely likely – the US cannot apply sanctions to either without getting into a trade war with EU – so a conflict with most of the European NATO members.
We have included in the battle plans the regression of the German economy. The “rules based”, “believer in free markets” makes the rules, seeks to be THE hegemon.
I do not understand how you see this playing out – the argument was that Sweden/Finland feared US sanctions more, you seem to be arguing like me that they do not since the US apparently have to have a battle plan for how to defeat their biggest ally in sanctioning the Russians over Ukraine.
We own NATO.
We own the EU.
No the US does not own neither NATO nor EU – if the US did then things would have worked very differently:
1) the US would not have had to demand that Germany and other countries increased their defense spending they would just have dictated them to do so
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-threatens-germany-military-spending/
2) the US would not have to ask Germany for a trade deal (Trump did) they would have known that this is done through EU and been able to just dictate it
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4?r=US&IR=T
3) the US would not have to have WTO conflicts with EU
https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news19_e/dsb_14oct19_e.htm
4) the US would not have been in trade wars with EU
https://www.ft.com/content/7ba37aa2-64ac-11e8-a39d-4df188287fff
https://think.ing.com/articles/time-running-out-to-avoid-us-eu-trade-war
That things are not working out is proof positive of US ownership.
Once more no evidence and when faced with this you claim that the absence of evidence is evidence that the idea is right – just about the worst debating skills – perhaps you might as-well give it up.
I agree that being neutral now is immoral. You’re either on the side of the Anti-Human Gloperialists of DC, their military wing NATO, and their vassals in Europe and the Pacific Rim, bent on imposing their will on the planet, or you are on the side of Humanity.
From the 1990s Kosovo wars, to the 2000s invasion of Iraq, to the 2010s destabilization of Africa and the ME, to the 2020s proxy war with Russia, the gloperialists have been expanding their unipolar world order. The difference now is that the rest of Humanity is (hopefully) waking up
“the gloperialists have been expanding their unipolar world order” – not quite; they are stopped in Ukraine.
Indeed. I am thinking that 2023 and 2024 will be the years where the Gloperialists either pull back or go all-in in Ukraine
They need not to go themselves to Ukraine, there are enough of cannon fodder in Europe. Now they are sending massively poles to the battlefields; Germans would be next.
“Zelensky Says Ukraine Has Helped the West ‘Find Itself’”
I just watched “The Sum of All Fears” again and it is a very prophetic movie. The only change should be that the fascists need to be from Ukraine and not Austria. Ukraine fomenting nuclear war between the US and Russia due to their insane hatred of all things Slavic.
If you want to subscribe to the Nostradamus conspiracy folklore; then Zelensky is the evil man from the East destroying all humans on earth.
Nicely told CT.
“On the Beach”. The original movie. Clinched it for me. “The Sum of all Fears” draws , I believe, from the actual actions of a Russian officer who perhaps saved the world.
Yep as appendages to a dying violent empire…just like leading up to WW1
I thank GOD that the mad men in Washington and the clown in Kiev are not the only ones with nuclear weapons. They would have done to President Putin and Russia what they did to Saddam and Iraq and Ghadaffy and Libya, failed states among all the others in the ME and around the globe.
I am not a religious believer
I thank God that Russia has nuclear weapons and is able to reach the USA.
And what is particular comforting, the new generation of Russian missiles is the best in the world.
Hopefully, Washington gets the message.
They know about that but they badly need a war in Europe; it helps to make America great again.
If there is a God we need to pray:
“Please, God, let it rain brains in D.C. the world needs it.”
They have enough of brains but they are using them in service of the evil. Some people here don’t believe in Satan, but trust me – Satan does exist.
Noticing that you don’t understand what “Satanism” is isn’t the same thing as saying Satan doesn’t exist.
Your “understanding” you demonstrated when claimed that capitalism is incompatible with the free market.
Having a bad day? Personally, I give people who have to live with the government of assholes presently in charge of the empire a whole lot of latitude when it comes to venting about an abomination we have no real power over, but which could end our existence without our having been asked.
So they think, I think the empire is about to expire. Biden’s legacy. It took a century for the British empire to go under, they still can’t accept it.
Yes, the geopolitical situation is changing not in favor of neocons. Maybe now it is time to abandon the dream about global empire.
Rl; I would not.bet a nickel that the morons in Washington.get that message.or.else.they are willing to.bet our.lives.
Too bad, I think you are right about that.
For f*ck’s sake! There is nothing to be “found”. We have known war for 200 years. No war too big, no expense too big. We are a war searching for a country.
Nicely said!!!
“NATO has a 10-year plan to help boost Ukraine’s military and arms industry to make Kyiv “fully interoperable” with the military alliance, demonstrating the West’s long-term plans for the country.”
Ukraine has lost most of several generations of men in their prime time, they are not available to build homes much less to boost the Ukraine military and arms industry and military alliance.
These people live behind the moon, even if they would win, all they would win is scorched earth and no men in their prime able to rebuild the country, not to mention all the people who already left and will not come back. The insanity of it all is mindboggling.
The only common sense thing to do would be to honestly negotiate with Russia to end the slaughter.
But Biden and Zelensky and USA/NATO can’t be trusted.
“Ukraine has lost most of several generations of men in their prime time”
I’ve been unable to find any reliable source –or even Russian regime claim — making any such assertion. Do you have a source for the claim, or did you just fantasize it?
Ukrainian casualties are high, that is even in MSM. That will show up as a deep gap in the population pyramid for Ukrainian males. It does not need exact numbers to know that, they need Polish soldiers and mercenaries, consultants or whatever you want to call it, the loss of males in their prime years is huge. Soldiers are young males in their prime. So logical.
You made a specific claim.
That specific claim was bullsh*t.
So you say, please explain why.
It occurred to me when I remembered the statistics for Germany after the war. They had women do the work men usually did, Truemmerfrauen.
Trümmerfrau (German pronunciation: [ˈtʁʏmɐˌfʁaʊ̯] (listen); literally translated as rubble woman) is the German-language name for women who, in the aftermath of World War II, helped clear and reconstruct the bombed cities of Germany and Austria. Hundreds of cities had suffered significant bombing and firestorm damage through aerial attacks and ground war, so with many men dead or prisoners of war, this monumental task fell to a large degree on women.
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trümmerfrau
Last phrase was unnecessary, especially given the extent to which many supporters of the proxy war fantasize about its causes, progress, and likely end results.
Thomas is in a snarky shit-disturbing mood today.
No more so than usual.
I’ve seen various casualty claims from Ukrainian, Russian, UN, and US sources.
Ukraine has a population of about 40 million. Military age males (15-64) are about 30% of that population.
That’s 12 million males, and even the highest KIA claims I’ve seen, other than from e.g. the fever dreams of Doom Sternz, don’t come to 1% of that number.
The war is certainly killing and maiming a lot of people, including a lot of males from multiple generations. But not “most” of any, let alone several, of those generations.
Yeah, I don’t think Old Bear and I were questioning your challenge to the claim. Clearly, Ukraine hasn’t experienced WWI-level losses, at least not so far. It would be interesting, however, to see some numbers on the military-age males who have ignored the prohibition on leaving the Fatherland.
Yep, West always had a solution in search of a problem. British Empire had been on several occasions in the brink of bankruptcy. War, war and more war may have brought wealth to some, and always brought wealth to those financing wars — but not the population. At the endcif Napoleonic wars UK had debts twice its GDP. Draconian fiscal measures, along with industrial growth created the society of desparately poor, often indistinguishable from criminal classes. To be captured by press gangs to work as virtual slaves on ships, or be sentenced to “transportantion” , to work as virtual slaves in colonies. WWI was supposed to solve financial problems by using weak-minded grandson of Queen Victoria that came to German throne to start war. Good plan that went wrong.
Endless slaughter may have thinned European population, but it left it poor, Predictably it was American wealth, not squandered in major warfare that asserted itself to impose peace and new European borders. World War Two was beckoning,
What saved West was Soviet Union. With its drastically different social structure that invented work hours limit, elimunated chikd labor, intriduced universal health care, retirement, unuversal literacy, high standards in education, path to better living standards. So scared were industrialists of that midel, that they curbed greed and the populatiin of tge West for the first time had guaranteed retirement income, work hours limits and various schemas to access bealth care.
Nobody noticed how imnediatelly after the breakup of Sioviet Union all Western corporations announced massive layoffs, many wirkers ciuld only access part-time jobs that did not provide for health care,
Nobidy noticed that the return to unbridaled greed and the fall in living standards, health care crisis, and year after year fall in life expectancy. And how many people actually understand how the endless warfare leads to poverty.
And Zelenski claims that West has found itself! Yes, by helping him recreate Jhazar empire, the epitomy of greed, a new siren call to seek riches through plundering others.
There is something population in the West instinctively grasps — this new Drang Nacht Osten will bring grief.
But our leaders are determined to follow Pied Piper back into the future,
“At the end of Napoleonic wars UK had debt twice its GDP ” – it was time when Rothschild became the richest man in the world.
Zelenski has single-handedly precipitated the decline of Western civilisation.
Zelensky reminds.me.of a vulgar expression from army.days.He is so.full.of shit his eyes are brown
Somebody braver than me ought to dive into the murky depths of Ukrainian Nationalism to study this phenomenon. There seems to be a nasty sort of mindset that unites the violent ultra-nationalists (ie. N/zis) on one extreme of the spectrum with the moderate run-of-the-mill Ukrainian nationalists, who represent the majority. They all spin their victimhood narrative from the Holodomor to the Budapest Memorandum. In one form or another, they all seem to believe in the heroic destiny of Ukraine as the place from where the final crusade will be launched to achieve the “victory of the white race over the Semitic Untermenschen” (Andrey Biletsky), or where “Europe finds itself” (Zelensky) with the help of a Ukrainian military superpower. They all whitewash the crimes of the OUN and Stepan Bandera to elevate them to hero status. They all seem to harbor morbid phantasies about killing or raping children, which they ascribe to their opponents. They all blame their own war crimes on the other side. Zelensky’s belief in Ukraine’s glorious destiny and its final victory can only be understood in this context.
Is this the expression of some sort of collective psychoses like we have seen during the Nuremberg rallies? Is it contagious? Will Zelensky’s final victory end in the Fuehrer Bunker and doom Europe for good? Final victory and final doom are uncomfortable close to each other.
Zelensky’s demand for a preemptive strike against Russia and the banalization of nuclear war by his associates in combination with Ukraine’s constant provocations to trigger a Russian reaction that will draw Nato into the war should set off the shrillest of alarm bells in Western capitals. This is not a game!
If 9/11 and history have shown one thing, it is that the West cannot control the monsters it has created.
It’s almost as if Ukrainians try to compensate the shallow roots of their nationalism by virulence.
Ukrainian national-socialists in time of WW1 were not so radical anti-Russian and anti-Christian as Bolsheviks. Petliura, for example, was loyal to Russian Empire until Bolsheviks established their power in Petrograd and gave Ukraine to Germans. Most Ukrainians in time of Civil War were on Bolshevik side. Lenin promised independence to all ethnic minorities and managed to get them on their side. Of course, after Bolshevik victory, they were deceived. However they got their republics in USSR.
West Ukraine after WW1 was incorporated in Poland. West Ukrainian population suffered a lot under Polish fascist regime. Bolshevik rule 1939-1941 wasn’t much better. So they met German army with a great enthusiasm. Germans allowed them to kill poles and J… , which they did also with a great enthusiasm. Then came victorious Red Army and many of those who served to Nazi Germany ran away to America. All post WW2 years they were brainwashed in Russo-phobic way and when 1991 Ukraine got the independence, the children of WW2 migrants were sent to Ukraine. They got money and political support from US. Ukrainian population in 1991-2022 was also brainwashed accordingly. That’s how we got such a situation.
A good summary; thanks.
Would add Ukraine’s rapid embrace of fascism with leaders like Stepan Bandera and others notable pro-nazi “heroes” from Ukraine and how many of the Ukrainian nazis soldiers ended up being imported to the western countries like UK, USA and Canada.
As well the contemporary Ukrainian government’s celebration and whitewashing of the atrocities Ukrainians Nazis have done during WW2 and seems to only increase over time.
Ewwwwww! Preachy and physically revolting!
So disgusting, baldly self-aggrandizing, and warmongering-as-holy, I gagged on the treacly swill – latest in never-ending ruler tales of war slaughter as purifying and ennobling.
“Days after Russian forces invaded, Yaroslav Bohak, a young cardiovascular surgeon, was at home with his family in the relative safety of western Ukraine, when a colleague placed a desperate call from the east, pleading with him to come help.
“Many doctors had fled the fighting, his friend said, and conditions at the hospital resembled a bygone era of warfare, with the surgeons who remained amputating limbs, instead of trying to repair them, to save grievously wounded soldiers.
“’He called me and said he could no longer cut off the arms of young people,’ Dr. Bohak said…”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/18/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-doctors.html
If the Russians don’t kill this guy I WILL!
Doing in the Defender of Earth’s Democracy and Freedom would probably give some proxy war afficionados a Great Big SAD!
Aren’t you a Russian with a fake name?
You aren’t going to kill anybody. You are just a pro Russia commenter. Unless of course, if you work for the FSB, you can wait until he comes near a balcony or some window.
No, I’m a pro American commenter with a nom de plume and you better hope I dont kill anybody, Don – or whatever you call yourself.
nice fanfic you got
“Zelensky Says Ukraine Has Helped the West ‘Find Itself’”
Asks visiting westerner spiritual aspirants to ‘assume the position’ – a unique Ukrainian spiritual concept fusing prostration with uplifted hindquarters in symbolic ‘offering up’ – and chant ‘kyyyyyyllll, kyyyyyllll, kyyyyylllllll…’
And the zombies in the lucky West accept this.
Yes, apparently. It is truly bizarre.
This clown is flying too close to the sun.
The poor lad is delusional. He still wants the West to feel that Ukraine is fighting for them while the West looks down and nods in approval. Ukrain has been fighting for the West ever since he sent a contingent of 5,000 soldiers to contribute to the attack on Iraq. Twenty years later, what has Ukraine received from that little “help”?
What a clown show.
Looks like little man syndrome to me. People are seldom so dangerous as when they begin to believe their own myths.
Sure, find itself broke.
In the past 10 months, the West found itself to be a complete SUCKERS for this stupid war the West initiated.
The West also found itself to be highly motivated to be dolling in the tunes of more than 85 BILLIONS of US dollars for the death and destruction of Ukraine.
The West ALSO realized that it L.O.V.E.S Nazism and Fascism being promoted by the West and being installed by the little POS Mr. Z.
The West is losing the competition to Asia but American MIC is doing very nice. In general, the war in Europe is profitable to America.
That is the 1% of the war profiteers at the top of the American population. Most of the population are the suckers who pay I am one of them, not as much as the people on the European continent and most of all the Ukrainian people and the Russian people.
I am sentimental, but my heart goes out for their suffering.
Sure more than 1%. Over $1 trillion is already evacuated from EU to US. It is good for all US citizens; more jobs etc.
Zelensky Says Ukraine Has Helped the West Fill ‘My Bank Account’
Several commentators here and elsewhere have predicted that Russia will soon run out of missiles to rain on Ukrainian targets. I disagree because of the following observation.
The Soviet army lost tens of thousands of tanks during the battles for
Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad and Kursk and during all of their winter-, spring-, and summer-offensives yet the Soviet forces which took Berlin had more tanks than ever before.
Why? Because their main battle tank, the T34, was not only an excellent tank but was much cheaper and easier to build than nearly all other tanks of WW2. Furthermore, the Soviets moved their tank factories which were in the path of the German armed forces to behind the Ural mountains just in time. And thousands of women and men were moved to these new factories. I am sure that the Russian missile factories today are out of reach for Ukrainian missiles. I suspect that the Russian missiles are simpler than ours hence can be mass-produced faster. And men working in these factories are surely exempted from the draft hence will work like devils
Yup. Everything related that I see in English-language Russian media indicates that they are ramping up full mobilization-level armaments production.
According to many Western media outlets and Ukrainian officials, Russia has been running out of missiles and artillery shells since last spring. Repeatedly, those pronouncements have been closely followed by another major salvo by Russia.
As opposed to American missile assembly, the Russians seem to have the production methods down to a science.
My thoughts are that in two months or less, they’ll have an overwhelming superiority in offensive and defensive missile systems.
That condition may already exist.
I hope Biden is enjoying the “Virgin” Islands this weekend.
Another delusional soul that is willing to scarify his country to serve the west…! He is definitely admitting and confessing this fact without even knowing it…”Helped the west…Helped the EU…!
“Zelensky Says Ukraine Has Helped the West ‘Find Itself’”
Ukrainian Spiritual-Temporal Leader dramatic voice over for his new play:
‘see the west was a lost babe in the woods but it was a scaredy-babe cuz it had a full load o’ bombs in its diaper and a gun cuz kids need to shoot stuff but the babe wuz scared of the bad russkie orc wolves in the dark but then this ukraine broad with the zig-zag tats said the russkie wolves is bad and they shot and shot. you know Call of Duty 4? it wuz like that but more good. and then all the wolves they wuz dead haaaa-ha and the babe said ‘my gun can kill!’ and he was not a wussy babe any more and they wuz good and they won. and the ukraine momma broad and the babe smiled and held hands forever after cuz o’ how its mom taught it to be a man but see the mom needed the babe too so it was like they wuz white on rice. DIE RUSSKIE, DIE!!! the end.’