The CIA has been using a European NATO country’s intelligence services to conduct sabotage attacks inside Russia since the February invasion of Ukraine, investigative journalist Jack Murphy reported on Saturday, citing unnamed former US intelligence and military officials.
The report said that no US personnel are on the ground in Russia but that the operations are being directed by the CIA. The US is using an ally’s intelligence services to add an extra layer of plausible deniability, and a former US special operations official told Murphy that layer was a major factor in President Biden signing off on the attacks.
Murphy said he didn’t name the NATO country whose intelligence services were being used in the report because “doing so might endanger the operational security of cells that are still operational inside of Russia.”
The report appeared on Murphy’s personal website, and in a note at the end of the piece, he explained why it wasn’t published by a media outlet. “While working with editors at mainstream publications I was asked to do things that were illegal and unethical in one instance, and in another instance I felt that a senior CIA official was able to edit my article by making off the record statements, before he leaked a story to The New York Times to undermine this piece,” he wrote.
According to the report, the covert campaign inside Russia has been years in the making. Two former military officials said that the NATO country’s spy services had hidden a cache of explosives and equipment in Russia more than a decade ago, and some of the gear has been used recently.
A former US special operations official and US person briefed on the campaign said that the CIA didn’t get involved with the NATO country’s operations inside Russia until 2014. The first time sleeper cells entered Russia that were directed by both the CIA and the NATO ally’s spy service was in 2016, and more entered the country in the following years.
The NATO ally provided the undercover operatives with stories to explain their presence in Russia and documents to back them up. The report said that around the time Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, the NATO ally’s spy service activated its sleeper cells inside Russia using covert communication, and they were ready for orders on what targets to strike.
It’s not clear how many attacks the sleeper cells have been responsible for, but there has been a series of mysterious explosions at Russian military facilities, powerplants, and railways since the invasion. The report suggested that the saboteurs could have been behind an April fire at the research institute of Russia’s Aerospace Defense Forces, which killed over 20 people.
The sabotage operations that the CIA is overseeing require a presidential finding. President Obama signed a finding before he left office that allowed covert action against Russia over allegations that Moscow interfered in the 2016 election, a claim that has never been proven.
According to The Washington Post, Obama’s finding allows “planting cyberweapons in Russia’s infrastructure, the digital equivalent of bombs that could be detonated if the United States found itself in an escalating exchange with Moscow.” Murphy cited a former CIA official who said the finding also allowed sabotage operations against Russia, although other former officials he spoke with said the current operations would have required an amendment or an entirely new finding.
A CIA spokesperson denied the allegations made in the report, but Murphy pointed out that the spy agency can legally deny the existence of its covert operations.
The CIA directing sabotage inside Russia risks a major escalation between NATO and Russia and could lead to a nuclear escalation. Ukraine has recently stepped up its own attacks inside Russian territory, and according to The Times, the Pentagon tacitly endorsed recent drone strikes that hit air bases deep inside Russian territory, adding to the risk of escalation.
In his note at the end of the report, Murphy said that he published the story to inform the public. “Indeed, the Russian government knows perfectly well who is sponsoring these sabotage strikes. Moreover, the intelligence community wants them to know. The only party left in the dark is the public at large, left unaware of the shadow war taking place behind the scenes,” he wrote.
Murphy said that the article “went through a vigorous fact-checking process, and was deemed newsworthy as the strategic bombings of Laos and Cambodia or the CIA’s secret drone campaign in Pakistan.”
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I hope it won’t happen; but I imagine a few things may go poof around us over the next few years.
The good things is that our infrastructure, roads and bridges and power plants etc. are all in excellent condition because we have been investing heavily in them rather than obscene toys for the military for many decades now, so we’re very resilient that way …
Another act of war. Keep poking the bear and eventually your woke nation of sheep will become mutton.
notice how many times the article mentions that it is an “unnamed NATO country ally” so that we will be sure to grasp the concept that it is an “unnamed NATO country ally”
I’m guessing Poland. Possibly one of the Baltic states.
This validates a change of tone in pro-Russian sites, apparently motivated by recent detailed and very long articles by Medeyev and Lavrov.
The gist of it is that the big goal for 2023 is not the SMO, but instead it is completely and entirely decoupling the Russian economy and culture from the US.
Since this plan leads us away from nuclear annihilation, I am hoping that this sort of thing becomes a reality. The US will no doubt blow up stuff in Russia for quite some time, but at some point it is possible that we start prioritizing helping Americans rather than hurting Russians.
time for Russia to strike back inside the US
No one but the Brits….!
Really? My first thought was the Poles. Check out John Pomfret’s From Warsaw with Love. Here’s a review I wrote of it on LibraryThing (where I go by Charlotte Brontë’s pen name of “CurrerBell”). Pomfret describes how the U.S. used Polish intelligence in a major way in the lead-up to Bush One’s first Gulf war.
If the CIA’s trying to maintain deniability, using the Brits is a terribly transparent fig leaf. And I wonder how effective British agents would be in Russia anyway. Poland has a lot more experience with Russia than Britain does. And the Poles are right there on the scene — not bordering directly on Russia, true, but a lot closer than some island off the coast of France — in addition to being very brutally effective operators who trace their origins to Poland’s days as a Communist ally of the Soviets.
That’s my suspicion.
Can we stop escalating every conflict for 3 seconds and actually try to resolve our differences? Nope, was asking for too much. Better escalate every war until nuclear annilation.
there’s a plan you know.
All ears are open… To the plan….
Meanwhile in our country power substations keep getting attacked. I do wonder a little bit.
Me too. And mainstream propaganda isn’t blaming Russia!
“Lucy, what have you done now?”
You got some ‘splainlin’ to do!
Jeez, what a surprise. These neo con vermin are active in every way. Russia is under attack!
They have shown that there are no boundaries, no limits, even the graham is calling for the assignation of the president of Russia; when is the last time that a us “senator” called for the murder of another official in another country.
The empire could get away with this kind of behavior when we were attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc. but this time we are attacking a nation with nukes, lots of them. This will not end well.
I am sick and tired of STUPID and NATO has outlived its purpose to my mind…
So has the CIA and the FBI, for many reasons.
Bill, no official will call for the disbanding of the CIA… remember what happened to JFK ….
Don’t agree. Their purpose has been and is the to ensure the wealth and safety of the elite. And it’s still on the job.
From the human viewpoint, it is stupid. From Satanist’s viewpoint it is very clever. Depends upon your values.
Extension of NATO to the east is going together with the promotion of neo-Nazism in East and Central Europe. At the moment, Ukrainian authorities are busy with the destruction of Christian Orthodox Church and replacing it by Sodomo-Satanism.
Again with the Satanists. They are a peaceful lot by their very nature as they tend to frown upon things like sacrificing themselves for the higher good. That’s not a very useful characteristic to conduct wars with.
Sure, some Satanists might enjoy anal sex once in a while, but that seems to be much more of a compulsive thing with devoted Christians: more orthodox, more anal. And Muslims are known to take a special liking to it too. Abrahamic folk are much more secretive about it than Satanists tend to be. But they too value their privacy.
Don’t confuse Russian Orthodox Church with Catholic pedophile one. Catholic Vatican in time of WW2 helped Nazi. Now Vatican is supporting neo-Nazism. The sin and the crime always go together.
I don’t confuse those two extraordinarily wealthy and powerful organizations masquerading as “Christianity” with each other.
You can’t deny the plain fact that it was Catholic Vatican who supported the Nazi in WW2 and who is supporting neo-Nazi now. It is Vatican who allow the same sex marriage. It is inside Catholic Church where the pedophile crime became a massive sin. Russian Orthodox Church was and is against all this evil. Maybe Russian Church is not perfect but it is standing firm on the traditional Christian ground.
“It is Vatican who allow the same sex marriage.”
In your imagination, perhaps.
In the real world, the Vatican’s position is that “it is not licit to impart a blessing on relationships, or partnerships, even stable, that involve sexual activity outside of marriage (i.e., outside the indissoluble union of a man and a woman open in itself to the transmission of life), as is the case of the unions between persons of the same sex.”
As for homosexuality and sexual abuse, the Moscow Patriarchate has plenty of its own problems in that regard. Does the name “Nikolai Stremsky” ring any bells? How about the several bishops suspended in 2021 when — take your pick — either their homosexual escapades became too flamboyant to cover up, or else they crossed their KGB agent boss, Kirill, one too many times?
In the minds of the brainwashed people everything is upside down. Your “promotion of the democracy” in the real world is the promotion of Nazism and radical Wahhabism. All your propaganda is based upon the lies. Your leaders are leading your heard to a slaughterhouse and your people follow them without any protest like zombies. That’s why American militarism can be defeated only on the battlefield, not otherwise. Unfortunately, the big war is unavoidable.
So now you fantasize that I “promote democracy?”
The “promotion of the democracy in the world” was the main slogan of American government in time of “color revolutions” and “Arab spring”. Actually it was the chain of the wars of aggression with the goal to create a bloody mess in the countries which are not controlled by US oligarchy. When you are claiming that those governments who are resisting American imperialism are no better than American militaristic oligarchy, you are, actually, whitewashing the criminals who gave orders to bomb Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries. In your opinion Putin is the same criminal as American leadership because he dared to stop the genocide of Russian people in Ukraine. In fact, you siding with neo-Nazis.
“In fact, you siding with neo-Nazis.”
Mikhailovich, I have never seen Thomas take any sides in this war. Why are you accusing him of siding with neo-Nazis?
Because he is siding with Kiev neo-Nazi regime and NATO in this military conflict. You may read the comments under previous articles.
Saying that Russia is not justified in waging an aggressive war against Ukraine is not the same thing as saying that Ukraine is justified in murdering innocent Russians. And it is certainly not the same thing as saying that the US is justified in sending $100 Billion of weapons to Ukraine or taking sides in this war in any fashion.
When you are claiming that defending people from aggression of Nazi regime is not justified, you are siding with Nazi.
The only place where I’m “siding with Kiev neo-Nazi regime and NATO in this military conflict” is your imagination.
My preference for the outcome of this war is one of revolutionary defeatism — I’d like to see all of the involved regimes overthrown. I don’t consider e.g. Biden or Zelenskyy to be “better” than Putin. They’re all warmongering authoritarians and the world is their victim.
Am I going to get what I prefer? That seems extraordinarily unlikely. But that doesn’t mean I have to grab a mini-skirt and a pair of pom-poms and cheer on any of the teams playing this murderous game.
“siding with Kiev neo-Nazi regime and NATO”
Many people just don’t understand the concept of neutrality. They think that if you don’t support the manichaean “good,” you are automatically siding with the manichaean “evil.” Taking a position of not wishing to dirty your hands with either side is kind of lost on them.
Same sex marriage isn’t evil. Bigoted idiots are.
The sexual relationship between the same sex is condemned by Bible. You can’t be both Christian and LGBT. The sinful behavior must be denounced in any Christian country as such. It doesn’t mean the people should be punished, but when LGBT is active in the schools and the state authorities are encouraging this, it means your state is anti-Christian. Anti-Christian politics at home and promotion of Nazism and radical Wahhabism abroad are the part of the same thing.
“your state is anti-Christian.”
That stand-alone statement would seem to me to be a tautology.
Why do you see it as a tautology? The state can be pro-Christian (promoting the equality among the people and the social justice) and also the state can be anti-Christian (promoting the ideas of exceptional nation, Nazism and similar anti-human ideologies).
“LGBT is active in the schools and the state authorities are encouraging this”
Perhaps we shouldn’t have the state in charge of encouraging/discouraging anything in the schools, including any person’s version of Christianity.
When the democratically elected people don’t control the education, it is controlled by the unelected people. Often it is controlled by the oligarchs of other countries who are planning a color revolution and preparing the young generation for this purpose.
“You can’t be both Christian and LGBT.”
Jimmy Swaggart didn’t seem to have any problem being both Christian and adulterer.
You can’t deny Christian teaching (Bible) and remain Christian. LGBT and Christianity are incompatible; it is obvious for everyone who is familiar with Christian teaching.
I didn’t mean to be so flippant. The fact is that a person can certainly be gay and at least as close to God as someone who is heterosexual.
A person is gay by their nature. It is not a choice, anymore than me being straight is a choice. Being an adulterer is a choice though, and I think Mr. Swaggart has some ‘splainin’ to do.
I don’t live in a Christian country. There is no such thing. And I don’t give a rat’s ass what the bible says. And as an atheist, I’m amazed that I’m more tolerant than those who claim to be Christians.
“And as an atheist, I’m amazed that I’m more tolerant than those who claim to be Christians.”
That is not so amazing at all. While I’ve met some atheists who are both extremely arrogant and intolerant (think: Randites), these traits seem to be more common among those calling themselves Christians.
The intolerance, and, more importantly for me, the vindictiveness, of many of those I knew as a teenager who called themselves Christians were primary reasons I was a self identified atheist in High School and for several years afterwards.
One “friend” of mine, in particular, whose name was Ron, seemed to take the cake in this regard. He literally told me, “If you don’t convert and believe as I do, I’ll be up at the right hand of God laughing at you burning down there in Hell forever.” Needless to say this attitude horrified me.
A lesser incident was a female friend of mine named Barbara, who was fond of saying, “Darwin says, ‘God is dead.’ God says, ‘Darwin is dead.'” The thought that God would literally torment someone forever simply for investigating a scientific theory, and that Barbara felt elated about that, also horrified me.
Neither of these would I describe as effective preaching techniques.
“I don’t live in a Christian country. There is no such thing.”
There could be such a thing, if your definition of “Christian” accurately described every single resident. In the real world though, no.
And “Christian state,” is an expression I would have to describe as an oxymoron, not even theoretically possible.
the “nazi,s” were never the problem
Nazis are created by the oligarchy. American oligarchy is the real problem.
You might want to print that on a t-shirt. That’d be orginal.
“Now Vatican is supporting neo-Nazism.”
Now Mikhailovich supports otherwise worthless claim.
BS about Sodomo-Satanism is vile bigotry and adds nothing to the conversation.
It’s also very piggish.
You’re mentally ill.
“You are mentally ill” – you should say this while you are looking in the mirror.
I’m not the one raving here.
What we need is multiple Timothy McVeighs to destroy every federal building in this crumbly country.
Most likely NATO will not survive this fiasco, that is true for the EU as well, in MHO.
At the moment NATO countries are preparing for a big war.
Reports are that they are low on military equipment, but there are also cracks in the alliance, they are not willing, Biden is arm twisting, Germans do know who sabotaged the pipelines and sanctions destroying their economies, add the burden and costs of millions of refugees. Turkey is not a willing ally, the European people are demonstrating AGAINST NATO. Then there is the Serbia/Kosovo issue. All that is getting explosive too. The governments can act like preparing, spinning the news and a controlled press, it is coming to a boiling point, winter has barely started. The Baltic states are poor states, Poland’s population is not ready for war, maybe Romania is willing, in short you can’t count on NATO. France, Germany, and Italy, are opposed to war with Russia, don’t count on them, and they have lots of trouble at home, they do not have a military draft either.
Poland is mobilizing quite a big army. The troops from other NATO countries are relocating to Poland. Thousands of poles are killed already in Ukraine. They understand that Russia will capture a good part of Ukraine, but they are determined to get the rest of Ukraine under Polish and NATO control.
The deindustrialization of EU is under American control. Actually, Americans are evacuating their investments in EU back to US (starting from the end of WW2, Americans invested a lot in Europe; remember plan Marshall 1948). The deindustrialization of Ukraine doesn’t doesn’t influence much their war efforts as long as they have the weapons from abroad. The same about the rest of Europe. American military industry can provide enough weapons for everyone.
Yes they want the land to add to Poland not NATO control. Yes, the Americans are acting like the occupier of the continent which they always were. Now that is changing, they went too far. The people oppose NATO.
You can add the 3 little Baltic states too, that is about it, the rest of NATO the big nations is another matter.
How nice, you posted “The deindustrialization of EU is under American control. ” Think about what you just posted. The US is acting like the occupier, you confirmed what I said. And the Europeans are fed up, but because there is no free press anymore it is not so visible, but the resentment is there.
“The people oppose NATO” – it is not so obvious.
“Europeans are fed up” – Europeans are unhappy with their deteriorating living standards. That’s why the far-right ideology is so actively promoted in NATO and any opposition is repressed; first of all in Germany. Mass media is already under a strict control.
Look at Ukraine. Their living standards deteriorated drastically in the last 9 years, and yet the nation is remaining loyal to Kiev pro-American regime. The process of Ukrainization of Europe started already.
There are no pro NATO demonstration I know of, do you?
“Look at Ukraine. Their living standards deteriorated drastically in the
last 9 years, and yet the nation is remaining loyal to Kiev pro-American
I am glad you admit that the vast majority of the Ukrainian people oppose the Russian invasion. Like I have been saying for 10 months, in asymmetric war victory goes to the side that wins the hearts and minds of the indigenous population.
Russia will take back only pro-Russian regions of former Ukrainian Soviet Republic. No more and no less. The rest would be neutral and free from NATO military infrastructure.
Umm… I don’t think the Ukrainians want to be “free” from NATO military infrastructure. Cerftainly not after Russia invaded their country.
As for pro-Russian regions of Ukraine, the only one I know of is Crimea.
Just because they say so in MSM does not make it so.
Yeh, I wouldn’t want to be a CIA ‘sleeper’ in Russia now. And Paul Whelan just lost any chance of ever seeing his family again.
Not only nukes, but gigantic ones, 4000 times the blast of the 1s that ended WWII…..!!!!!!!!!!
The purpose of the nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was to scare Stalin and force him to give in. You should know that the civil war in China lasted from 1945 to 1949. Communists, supported by USSR defeated the pro-American nationalists supported by USA. That’s why China is now an independent country and sides with Russia against American imperialism.
There are two democratic systems. One is based upon Christian teaching where the people accepted as the brothers and as the equals. In Christian democratic system, people themselves are electing and controlling the political elite. The another democratic system is Satanist democracy (which is dominating in USA), where people don’t matter and the political elite is created and controlled by the financial elite. In USA, the political elite is created by Satanist methods, no one can become neither senator or president without a huge financial support. More money = more access to the corporate media.
Satanist system is based upon the lies and upon the cheating. Satanist agenda is about bringing the people back to the level of the animals. That’s why the sex (particular the sex perversions) became a great political issue.
Tell me you don’t know what “Satanism” is without telling me you don’t know what “Satanism” is.
I can’t help but agree that the antichrist Kirill has made sex into a “great political issue,” though.
Satanism is the pure evil. How I know that you are influenced by Satanism? Because you are lying and slandering.
You seem to be confusing “Satanism” with “devil worship.” They’re not the same thing.
As to whether “Satanism” is “the pure evil,” that might be an interesting question but it’s not one that’s possible to answer without having some idea of what one is talking about. Which you’ve established you don’t.
“Satanism is the pure evil”
How’s this rate on yr “the pure evil” scale?
Ukraine Ambassador to Germany actively denies Ukraine’s part in the Holocaust:
“When confronted…about the history of the [Ukrainian fascist allied nationalists’] role in massacres, and Mr. Bandera’s anti-Semitic views…Melnyk said there was no proof for the claims, which are undisputed in academic circles.
“That is the narrative that the Russians are pushing to this day, and that has support in Germany, in Poland, and also in Israel,” he said.
You can’t see even the obvious fact that in US the politicians are elected by the money, not by the people.
I’m well aware that in the US, and in Russia, the politicians are elected by the money, not by the people.
In Russia the situation is different. Putin was promoted to the top by Yeltsin 23 years ago. He did his job very good. So he always had support no less than 60%. At the moment his rating is higher than 80%. No one knows how it will be when Putin retire. Maybe it’ll be even worse than in US, but for a while Russian political elite, unlike American one, is working for the people.
Yes, the situation is different. Putin is so popular that he wins the presidency by great margins after imprisoning anyone who runs against him and breaking up any opposition political rallies.
Who did he imprison? That Washington-paid blogger or that criminal Khorodovsky?
Do you know anything about internal Russian politics or you’re just repeating talking points from Associated Propaganda? Putin had 5 or 6 parties run against him in the last election. He gets the cake because he is a moderate.
Western media can make a noble hero from any criminal.
Thomas, what’s up with all this crap about “Satanism”? Anyone with half a brain realizes that “Satan” doesn’t exist; and I have to believe that you agree with me.
Well Gypsy, we do know that good and evil exist.
Donna, I think more in terms of “right” and “wrong” rather than Good and Evil.
But I’m probably in the minority in this matter.
You thoughts are important Gypsy.
Whether or not Satan exists is irrelevant. Satanism is a particular religion, and it is not the same thing as “devil worship.” In fact, most organized Satanism is atheistic.
So, let’s just all assume that eventually Russia will get its way MOSTLY after the Ukraine attacks ease off. Then what? What does the world do to those who set up this mess in the first place? Nothing? Therein lies the problem! The powerful people who are behind the death and destruction on this planet always seem to escape unscathed. The UN has been corrupted beyond any effectiveness in implementing international law. I feel that it is up to the PEOPLE in these warring nations to rise up and take care of the war criminals in their own governments. In the USDA, you can steal an election in broad daylight and get away with it. Also, anyone with half a brain and a little research knows full well who started this mess. This is why any inroad into holding vote fraudsters accountable will also affect all these other actions that are leading the USA to nuclear confrontation against the will of Americans and mankind!
Yes, it is a continuing crime that the us does not do accountability for its criminals in govt-one can go back to the long list of war disasters whereby the civilians and their country were destroyed by a whim in state or admin or pentagon and no accountability resulted. The crimes continue and the criminals are rewarded or promoted.
These people have continually gotten more evil, which might mean they are getting more desperate to control the narrative they are obviously losing control of. Desperate people do desperate things; which is worrisome.
Here’s one of them smearing anyone who disagrees (I guess we’re all “right-wingers” this time – In 2001-2003 run up to Iraq invasion, Kristol was smearing “the left”:
As far as I’m concerned this is a declaration of war and invites the Russian federation to reciprocate. Perhaps they’d be able to recruit some of our local Nazis.
I’m disgusted with these people and their obscene empire. We have become an obscenity by association. Only American stupidity and sloth leave these repulsive creatures in power.
There will be no peace in my lifetime. There will be no peace as long as the US plays any role in the wider world.
“Perhaps they’d be able to recruit some of our local Nazis” – to have any collaboration with Nazis is the same as to have the collaboration with Satan. The outcome will be always bad. Besides, it is absolutely unnecessary. There are a lot of good Christian people in US. It would be much more helpful if Kremlin supports them and helps them to defeat Satanists.
Better to be safe than sorry?…
Or you go to hell? Another man-made concept.
“Or you go to hell? Another man-made concept.”
Even if there were a Hell, it does not make sense to me that God would be any more likely to offer salvation to someone whose only reason for trying to align themselves with God was as extremely selfish as simply trying to avoid going to Hell, as opposed to doing what you thought was right.
I once read a book titled, “Atheism: The Case Against God” by George H. Smith. In it he offers a pretty good argument against the “Better safe than sorry” argument. He explains that there are, theoretically, a potentially infinite crossfire of damnation threats, each coming from different religions. What’s a good reason for becoming a Christian? Better safe than sorry. What’s a good reason for becoming a Sunni Muslim? Better safe than sorry. And so it goes.
Christianity is the teaching, not the myth. Christianity teaches how people can live together in peace and harmony.
Nicely stated Mikhailovich.
There must not be very good lessons in those teaching venues, because words are easier than actions, to live by.
“Christianity teaches how people can live together in peace and harmony.”
I see very little common ground between Christ and the doctrines espoused by most Americans who call themselves “Christians,” especially if we are talking about the doctrines implied by their actions instead of their words.
US political elite is definitely anti-Christian. I mentioned this fact in some my comments here.
All political elites are anti-Christian.
So far, only Bolsheviks and American oligarchs tried to destroy Christian Church. Pro-American neo-Nazi Kiev regime is very busy with the destruction of Christianity too. But Zelensky and his team are taking orders from Americans.
In Russia the number of Christian churches and Muslim mosques in last 30 years increased drastically.
You can make Christ in any image you like. In any color, any ethnicity too. Religions are if nothing else very versatile and adaptive. This is key to their staying power. So there’s a hippie-Jesus and there’s a Rambo-Jesus, there’s a penniless Jesus for the poor and there’s a private jet owning greed-is-good Jesus for the succesful evangelist who’s pockets are lined by the former. There are magical mystery Jesuses and much more down to earth Jesuses, who’s miracles are just seemingly implausible events that need the application of modern science to explain away. And then there are Jesuses who died on the cross and Jesuses who escaped to India, Jesuses who secretly procreated and Jesuses who didn’t. Jesuses who did exist exactly according to revealed gospel history, Jesuses who existed but about which we don’t really know much for sure and then there are bunch of minority Jesuses who didn’t exist at all or might have been synthetized from an amalgam of other historical heroical figures or stories about them. As far as you can trace back the roots dissolve into many christianities and many Jesuses, probably even more distinct from each other than exist today.
All true, but “Christianity” can be broken down into variants of various sizes based on characteristics.
The first major division is between:
1) The religion that Jesus taught (Judaism); and
2) The pagan substitute spread by Paul and his successors and later codified/standardized by Constantine.
I can tell you know your stuff very well. I really do appreciate that, in fact I have a very hard time shutting up about it. But this doesn’t seem to be the appropriate environment for a theology or philosophy of religion discourse.
Being “off-topic” doesn’t violate our commenting guidelines.
And if someone wants to posit the Russian regime and the Orthodox Church (KGB Patriarchate) as being the “defenders of Christianity,” then considering the meaning of “Christianity” isn’t off-topic anyway.
Jesus, that was well said.
I fear you may overestimate the peacefulness of other nations and underestimate the stupidity and sloth of their respective populations to leave their own repulsive creatures in power. I don’t think in our free Western democracies all that many people feel responsible, having been bereft of the illusion what they do or think matters. That’s learning through experience.
No doubt they will carry on with this activity until the war comes to the territory of USA.
The alliy agency? It’s uk. I mean a child can deduce it.
That or it could be Poland – the important notice here being that the assets in Russia are likely to be exposed (i.e. of limited future value) so only an ally with a very strong incentive to act in the present conflict (and I’d agree with the capacity to do build up the capacity) would be willing to expend the invested ‘capital’.
UK has the capacity, so would be topping my list too, but I thought that Poland is the NATO country with the most to lose/gain from altering the outcome of the present conflict – so the most willing!? But maybe you think they would not have had the capacity to have built the network of ‘agents’?
U r absolutely right with regards to poland being the ally. I actually thought Poland is a possibility but I just thought for something like this us would fall back on the brits because of their long association and networking between their respective agencies. Also brits have proven track record for doing this types of work.
Poland definitely would have the will to develop these types of assets in place and their people will be more committed to the cause, more so than the brits.
But Poland can suffer from blowback too and I think they don’t have the counter intelligence and the mas surveillance capabilities of uk so that might make the more circumspect Brits r now soft, so yeah maybe it is actually Poland.
Very good points – I had dismissed the Baltic countries for that exact reason and on account of the resources needed – but the point may also apply to Poland – even though they have far fewer people likely to be sympathetic to the Russian cause.
never believe what they say liars lie, watch what they do, my moneys on MOSSAD
I m genuinely happy now. Unless putin government goes down, this type of activities stop us engaging in regime change activities with direct involvement in the near future because Russia will use every resources at it’s disposal to make us bleed. This stops the deep state siloviki of us to stop their neocon counterparts from engaging in this types of activities.
I would have thought this would be part of a strategy for regime change – destabilizing Russia from the inside – could you explain how you see Russia using resources to make ‘us’ bleed would stop/Change this?
If it FAILS and the putin regime is IN TACT then it will restrict future us actions. Us cannot go in Iran as then Russia will send every weapon system it can to make us suffer horrendous loss. russia will not only give strategic depth to iran it will help every other non state actors resources to fight us forces on the ground. This time the bounty stories will be true. It is the us that will be in the wrong end of a proxy war.
What us is doing IS a regime change op in Russia but if it fails it will make Russia a permanent enemy that has little to lose and much to gain from making us bleed in other theaters and thus limiting us options.
Us might still do these type of things but their will be more vetting thus limiting the chicken hawks
I’d argue that it would have to more than fail, it would have to cause the scheme to be exposed, but I guess I understand what you meant.
I would expect the Russians to do so anyway – would you not? I would maybe not hope for them to do so, but I would not want to work hard against them doing so – the US invading Iran would IMO be a really bad idea.
I thought Trump could actually decide to go in, but I kind of doubt that any other administration would be insane enough to try – especially after Afghanistan.
I think that bridge has been crossed – i.e. the Russians have very little to lose by continuing to operate against US hegemony – I’m thinking that the Afghan debacle was caused more by Pakistani support than Russian, but the fact that the US had to give up on its aspirations should tell a lot when it comes to the limits of US power.
I believe the Afghan debacle and the Iraqi failure has already curbed US lust for large scale invasions for some time to come (barring Trump’esk disconnects with realities). I think that the potential failure of a CIA program to improve on the impact of an ally’s sabotage operations in Russia, will do very little to change the attitude towards using the military in foreign interventions – but that is just me going by previous US actions.
Us isn’t the only concern for Russia when it comes to Iran, Israel is now neutral in Ukraine so Russia will not risk alienate Israel unless there is genuine chance of making us bleed so they won’t give Iran all the weapon systems unless us goes in. Also their r financial ties between ruling elite of Russia and israel.
True going into Iran directly is a bad idea and the public opinion is against it but us power structures r throughly penetrated by Israel so some miscalculation by Iran or us,an accidental clash or even a false flag by israel can set this off no matter who is in charge.
People give too much credit to Pakistan. Pakistan is a basket case that sells itself to the highest bidder every other day. It was more their incompetence that helped taliban not some actual support. I have no doubt some mid level officers within their system especially the isi gave afghan talban support but the upper echelon of military leadership r throughly westernized and servile to the west so there was no state level support to the taliban fighting the us
They didn’t go after the taliban all out because they feared for their own safety(i mean the safety of the top brass from assassinations)andfear of rebellion in parts of Punjab.
For example I have different opinion with regards to Osama found hiding just miles away from their garrison town. I don’t think it was complicity but sheer incompetence.
Cant speak to the Russian policy vis-a-vis Israel but I note that others here (kiwi) believes it is/was the Mossad – I know a former Mossad ‘person’ and I have a hard time thinking that they would sacrifice their operatives in this manner.
I do not believe that the US would under this administration carry out a fill scale invasion of a country as large as Iran – not by accident nor even very provoked – air strikes if provoked soldiers on the ground no (if so perhaps only as part of special ops).
I was not supposing that they were helping the Taliban in any very significant way – other than providing a safe heaven for them to retreat to and a market where they could buy explosives and the odd AK74.
This jars with what I know of the early year(s) but may be true of the later ones.
I do not usually think conspiracy theory when incompetence will suffice – but I am also concerned about assuming incompetence on this level when the ‘incompetence’ so nicely aligns with the Pakistani interests.
Bleed how? With harsh rhetoric? Kremlin and Beijing are a bunch of pacifists. The imperial rats are trying to ferment a coup in Iran right now.
Is this story real? Or is it a PsyOp? I suppose it doesn’t matter. Russia had already gotten the message that they need to tighten security, and that they must take steps to confuse any observers still in play. One also suspects that they will reply with fresh attacks on Ukraine’s infrastructure.
I have some degree of skepticism about this article. The author said he was forced to publish it on his website because he couldn’t get it published at any outlet.
The story is real, there is some doubt as to whether it is correct – I’m leaning towards the idea that it is, but the story has not been picked up and been vetted by any independent news agency.
That vetting is of less value these days, and then there is the incentive for the suppression of or altercations to the story if they were to publish it – so the author has opted to self publish.
There has been a lot of fires in Russia if these are not an amazing coincidence then they are the acts of either a much more dissatisfied public (not looking very likely), the acts of a domestic resistance movement (even less likely) or the acts of agents of a (or more) foreign power(s).
The best arguments against it being agents of a foreign power are:
1) their agents would be exposed and therefore likely of no/less value in any future conflict
2) if caught it could lead to direct conflict between Russia and that foreign power
That plus the need to be able to build the capacity for this sort of action makes it likely that it could only be UK and/or Poland behind it, if it is indeed western organized as the story would have us believe.
Yeah, Kremlin got a great plan. Make Ukrainian people suffer instead of killing pests responsible in US and England. Let me get my pom-poms. Go Russia!
Ukrainian people allowed neo-Nazis to rule them, so they have to be punished. Because Putin is a great humanist, the punishment is very mild.
That’s as sick as Zelensky blaming Russians for the actions of their government.
Right. Sure, lets punish the victims and let the criminals get away with it. Again.
If you follow this war, you should know that in the beginning of Russian intervention in Ukraine, Russian army targeted the neo-Nazi military units only and avoided the killing of ordinary ВСУ soldiers. In March, Putin personally addressed Ukrainian military leadership and encouraged them to take the political power in Ukraine in their own hands. Putin believed he could have a deal with Ukrainian military leadership. It didn’t worked. Since that time, there were several waves of mobilization in Ukraine. Ukrainians are remaining loyal to their pro-American government. Russia has no other option but to kill them.
Yeah and it doesn’t work with cowardly maggots who hide behind civilians. That’s why Kremlin need to nullify command and control centers in US and England. Bring the war to their door step, not your own. Use nukes if you must.
Kremlin still does not understand who they are dealing with. Pentagon thugs and their “military” are just a bunch of cowards who hide behind their vassals. Waging conventional war with such terrorists will only lead to huge civilian casualties.
First of all, the gap in nuclear weapons capacity at the moment is growing in favor of Russia. Maybe, when Americans start to produce the hypersonic missiles, it would be the right moment to bring the war at American doorstep.
Second: if the peaceful coexisting is possible, probably, Kremlin will opt for the peaceful coexistence. In 21century China is going to be the leading power in the world. It is quite possible that US, Russia and India will create a certain counterbalance to China. So, Russia might need both India and US.
That’s ridiculous. Russians have nuclear delivery systems superiority right now. Why wait until your enemy close the gap?
Peaceful coexistence isn’t possible with existing Anglo-American empire. This terrorist cabal is bent on global domination and it needs to end like Nazi Germany. It will be much harder and more costly to do later. Eurasian powers do not need any kind of ‘counterbalance’. There is already an existing RIC self-balancing trident. Anglo-Americans are not needed and that exactly what they feared the most. That is the reason why they tried so hard to prevent Eurasian integration. To avoid irrelevance and obscurity in the future. And because of the barbaric methods used, it is exactly what they are getting.
Yes, Russia has hypersonic missiles and other modern means of the delivery of nukes, but the number is not sufficient. That’s why Russia is busy with making them now. The gap is not closing. The gap is growing. When US starts to make the hypersonic missile, only then, the gap may start closing, not before.
Now the time is working for Russia and China and there is no need for any hasty actions. Russia can’t allow herself to act recklessly. China-Russia alliance is exclusively anti-American. Once the danger from American militarism is gone, China may start to think about taking Russian natural resources by force. China is not so strong at the moment but the situation is changing.
Exactly. I lost my illusions about the U.S. empire during the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. I’m surprised that so many Russians still believed in a peaceful coexistence with NATO.
Typical DC failure
After reading the article at Jack Murphy’s website, I would take this story with a large grain of salt. Like maybe a pound.
The Ukrainians only push the buttons if they know where these are.
“The US is using an ally’s intelligence services to add an extra layer of plausible deniability.”
Good move, cause otherwise people might think Ukraine was really a US-Russia war or something.
We must hope this is not true, because our comparatively open society is far more vulnerable to the inevitable tit-for-tat response that has always been the only restraint on CIA excesses. The Russians never hesitated to do that, so the CIA moved cautiously.
This is just the thing to madden the Russian people to demanding expanded (all out?) war with Washington/NATO.
“Ukraine to hike transit fees for Russian oil to EU – Transneft”
What’s wrong with this picture?
So, would this be the same way the US blew up the Nordstream pipelines?
the biggest global danger are American presidents, they are as criminals even more dangerous than Hitler ever was.
Sounds like terrorism to me, Anyone caught gets death penalty?
A dishonorable america? The shining city on the hill tarnished? The worlds policeman dishonest?
Treason From The Deep State?
Trump was honest, the nations presidents are criminals. Trump could be blunt, but Biden called Putin a killer and called for his assassination if necessary when he said Putin must go. The CIA was involved in Afghanistan starting with President Carter and Brzezinski. The Taliban were the most brutal extremist Muslims and the CIA knew about the torture and killings of Russian soldiers.
War crimes where ever you look. And all presidents knew and did nothing.
They could do to Putin what they did to Ghadaffy and Saddam, and Najibullah of Afghanistan.
Najibullah was at the UN compound when the Taliban soldiers came for him on the evening of 26 September 1996. The Taliban abducted him from UN custody, castrated him, tortured him to death, and dragged his corpse behind a truck through the streets of Kabul. His brother, Shahpur Ahmadzai, was given the same treatment. Najibullah and Shahpur’s bodies were hanged from a traffic light pole outside the Arg presidential palace the next day in order to show the public that a new era had begun.
The US empire was build with a trail of blood like all empires, and it will end in a trail of blood too.
Saying that someone must go is not the same as calling for their assassination – there are some steps up to the idiocy of Lindsey Graham from where bumbling Biden took the US.
Taliban was founded by Mohammed Omar and Abdul Ghani Baradar in 1994 so not involved in the fight against the Soviet occupiers which was between 1979 and 1989.
Given that the US does not even prevent its own forces from committing war crimes and when they do only gives them a very mild punishments if any, asking the US presidents to prevent the Afghan freedom fighters from committing war crimes while war crimes are being committed against them is perhaps demanding too much?
I highly doubt it, or are you proposing that Putin is as unpopular as Ghadaffy and Saddam, and Najibullah were in their countries?
But you are right that the Taliban is heinous and that it was then that tortured and killed Najibullah – but then the Taliban did not do so with the support of the US – which they did not have at anytime as far as I know.
Your knowledge of history is limited to bumper sticker slogans.
Make your points clear or accept the fact that you have now been reduced to plain insults – the true sign that you have lost the debate based on the arguments!
Facts are meaningless to you, so why bother?
I return your compliment.
My compliment however was well founded as-well as well documented – yours only an insult – that is what makes them different.
So when a Russian missile just happens to drop on CIA Langley, no one in Washington is going to scream bloody murder? I didn’t think so- after all, Israel has already provided Russia with precedent for doing so, as borne out by their attacks on Iranian assets in Syria and inside Iran itself.
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