According to a report from CNN, the Biden administration is considering a request from Ukraine to provide cluster bombs, munitions that are banned by over 100 countries under an international treaty due to the harm they cause to civilians.
Cluster munitions scatter small bombs over large areas, making them more indiscriminate than other munitions. The small bombs often don’t explode on impact, making them a huge danger to civilians who comes across them, similar to land mines.
The 2008 Convention on Cluster Munitions that bans the weapons has 108 signatories, but the US, Russia, and Ukraine are not parties to the treaty. Since Russia launched its invasion in February, both Russian and Ukrainian forces have used cluster munitions, and Kyiv was accused of using the bombs in populated areas of Donestk back in 2014.
The last known time the US used cluster bombs was in Yemen in 2009. Before that, US forces used them in the early days of the Afghanistan war and in Iraq in 2003. The US has supplied cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia, which has used them in its war on Yemen.
The CNN report said that the Biden administration has been fielding a request from Ukraine for cluster munitions for months and has not rejected it outright. The administration hasn’t taken the option off the table if US stockpiles of other munitions become dangerously low.
The report said that the Biden administration hasn’t considered the request too seriously yet due to congressional restrictions on transferring cluster bombs, although President Biden could override the restrictions. The munitions Kyiv is seeking could be fired by US-provided HIMARS rocket launchers and the 155 mm howitzers.
How many more ways can this get worse? Too many to count. I feel repetitive but these things just boggle the mind. If we keep this up, we will go toe to toe with the Russians and if we go toe to toe, with the Russians we’ll be in a nuclear war. It will happen so fast, we won’t have time to say WORLD WAR III.
Our government has agreed to no limitations on any kind of weapons, maybe chemical weapons are on the list. They produce and sell cluster bombs. They have no reservations killing civilians. They will kill and destroy up to the last minute of the end of war. They annihilate nations and when they lose they simply walk away. The USA is as ruthless hegemon. Morally as low as the lowest.
The nations military profiteers are the elite in government and industry and finance they don’t fight and die protecting their wealth.
The will not use chemical weapons simply because they are not worth using. The US has much better weapons.
What do you mean by “not worth using” Do you mean to say they are not effective as indiscriminate large scale murder weapons especially in urban areas? Incindiary weapons, poison gas, white phosphorous, the US is among those nations who thought them so effective as to not be able to resist using them.
Or are you just saying that it isn’t worth the damage done to the moralist angle of the propaganda-effort? And what would those better weapons be? Couldn’t be biological weapons then for the same reason. Low yield nuclear weapons? Uranium tipped bombs? A supply route of IS suicide bomber allies from Syria? Long range rocket systems that require NATO personnel? What’s your proposal?
They are good for false flags and for the purpose of terrorism, used as battlefield weapons not so much. They are very expensive to produce and pound per pound don’t deliver the same punch on the battlefield as conventional weapons do.
They studied this after WWI and found that they were basically a waste of money and that had the same funds been put into conventional weapons, it would have been more effective. I was very much surprised to learn this, I thought they were far more deadly and effective at producing casualties that would need evacuation, than they were. But when you think about it, this is probably why they were all willing to make them illegal. It was more for show than anything else.
Even when Saddam used them against the Kurds, (with our blessing and aid) Saddam could have easily killed more people with his tanks and air force. He used them because they were terrifying and because he could get away with it. In Syria the use was as a false flag, again useless on the battlefield.
It’s possible I don’t know about it, but I can’t think of any wars where their use made any decisive difference.
Yep.
Since the end of a very short period of advantage due to the new thing / surprise factor in World War One, chemical weapons have really only been military useful — and not VERY militarily useful — as short-term “territory denial” weapons. If an area is gassed, it’s easier to go around it than to have to button up in protective gear, set up decontamination stations, etc. Sort of like using barbed wire to channel attackers into defensive fields of fire.
Militarily, they’re just basically minor pains in the ass. Their real utility is as an amplifier of terror among non-combatants.
Agent orange was pretty effective for what it was designed. Not all chemical weapons are aimed at people specifically.
Tell that to men who are suffering the results. In their ‘s. One friend of mine has peripheral neuropathy, thanks to agent orange. Another man I know has cancer. Bladder cancer.
My best friend and both his brothers have had colon cancer caused by exposure to Agent Orange. Yup, all three served in Nam as volunteers.
I didn’t say it wouldn’t or couldn’t affect humans. If that’s the way you took it, well you’re completely off base. Look at the context of the comment, which was a response to Thomas.
And don’t lecture me about Vietnam, either.
I think you can take my word for the fact that there were plenty of Vietnamese in the areas where the shit was dropped.
My two grandfathers were dosed with mustard gas in WWI. Thankfully, they survived.
Yeah, my wife’s grandfather also came home with gas damage to, I think, his lungs.
Yes, also it is dangerous to the user.
It can blow back with the wind.
The nastier stuff gets tracked back into vehicles and positions, on shoes and chem suits.
The clean up units are contaminated.
It just snowballs.
Not worth it, usually.
Thank you for the insight. That makes sense. I did not realize that.
What I am saying chemical weapons are not very good. Hard to control and deliver with any accuracy. The traditional kinetic weapons are better. As demonstrated recently an AGM-114R9X tock out a single terrorist without harming his family or any innocent bystanders.
Oh brother. Have you a clue how many families and friends we’ve taken out with remote devices including conventional aircraft?
Christ, people who get off citing weapons systems by their esoteric names really disgust me. You’d think they were teenagers discussing cars.
I used the exact name in case someone wanted to look up the weapon. You know, learn a little bit more. But if you want to uses its slang name it is called the Ninja Missile. And as far I can see, everything I say disgust you, which I consider a positive side benefit of my comments.
Assange is sitting in prison for years because he informed us that drones on average had 10 collateral casualties for one real target.
For something not worth using the West sure sank a lot of resources in those chem labs in Ukraine that the Russians captured.
Always call out US but dare to call out Russia for equal or worse violations.
“First cast the beam from your own eye, then you will be able to better see the mote in your brother’s eye….”
Or something like that
Sadly some off the commenters here are more Anti-US as opposed to Anti-War. What US does is always bad but what Russia, Iran, China and North Korea is justified. Is the US perfect? Of course not. Would this site be allowed in those countries? Nope.
According to Comparitech’s analysis tool, Antiwar.com is “allowed in” both Russia and China.
Maybe this site is allow in Russia and China, but do you know of an equivalent site that exist in Russia or China where citizens routinely blasts their government? And of course, since it is illegal in Russia to criticize the “special operation”, even if the sites exists who would risk using it? If you do have more information, please share it I would like to know.
Since you alleged it, you should explain how you know it and what has been banned? RT has been banned in Europe and the US. A Russian symphony conductor and a soprano were banned to perform in Germany and the US because they did not criticize Putin. We do have a controlled media informed people know it.
Yup, Renate….ask the Palestinians.
Calling the SMO a war would get you jailed I guess that is what is meant by that this site would not be allowed in some of these countries – so you could not have this debate or be publishing the articles if the people doing so were living in Russia.
Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Afghanistan… To be anti-US is being anti-War.
We aren’t citizens of Russia and have enough to worry about our own interventions.
Those of us who live here recognize that we control (humor!) only what happens here. Only a complete idiot tries to alter the political structure of another country – unless he/she works for the US state department – division of overthrows and proxy wars.
Try to keep up.
Regime Changes and wars are against international law, which the US signed and that is included in the UN charter.
The US controls the UN and has undermined trust and respect of the UN. The present US ambassador to the UN is a joke and a shame of our nation, she follows neocon dictates.
“Only a complete idiot tries to alter the political structure of another country”
That would have been good advice for Putin in early February.
That would have been good advice for the USA in 2014. Good for all, in fact. You keep on missing that.
Yeah, I know…… but, but, but Russia bad, Putin evil. Yawn. Borders set by God. Yawn. NATO would never do such! Laugh. US intentions were pure. Hilarious.
Have you considered a career as a comedian? Hey, you might end up being a despotic ruler of corrupt country. Getting rich by the
” little guys” share of $20 billions.
He could dance in high heels and play piano with his prick! 😁
Funny and true.
Biblical injunction to clean ones own house first before calling out neighbors shortcomings. Your alpaka will know this.
I don’t know of any worse violations, but maybe you could help and inform me, I must have missed something.
While you are at it, could you please tell on what legal basis the US government (not the average American people) imposes sanctions, and funds and organizes regime changes? Sanctions are brutal economic warfare against civilian populations, including pregnant women and children. To starve to death is a long and brutal way to die, malnutrition causes permanent brain damage, it is a crime against human rights.
Biden is starving Afghan and Venezuelan children among others. Clinton killed about 500 000 children
(maybe it was ONLY 200 00o) in Iraq and Madeleine Albright, god rest her soul, said the price was not too much to pay for Iraq.
Since the US has veto power and is in control of the UN they simply ignore international laws. War crimes is only what the others do.
One small correction, Renate:
God DAMN her soul.
Agreed. They’re on an escalation elevator. Rapidly moral gradations blur, become meaningless.
The nature of war, … cluster bombs, saturation bombing, agent orange, napalm, …?
Napalm was tried out during WWII, in France. Jellied gasoline it was called.
That’s what it is.
The most nefarious thing about napalm is that it incinerates human beings but leaves buildings intact. Who thought THAT was a good idea? 😠
And more to the point there is no fucking thing we can do to stop it.
Nicely stated wendell, nicely stated. 🙂
OOOOOO,oooooo, I have a funny inkling that any all out with the Russians will take not just a few of “The nations military profiteers are the elite in government. industry and finance that don’t want to fight and die protecting their wealth.” Russian hyprsonics R right now immune to being intercepted, so lots of well protected targets will be getting the answer, should all out be the call…!!!!
The elite does not believe it can happen to them, is what I believe. Of course, I hope they are dead wrong, just in case.
Is Eric in on the deal??
Hi Renate
Anyone who believes that Amerikkka long ago stopped producing chemical weapons is dead wrong. My niece in Colorado, a chemist, is currently employed decommissioning a mustard gas plant.
The Russians should leave, return to the 2000 border and all this will stop.
Not going to happen. Anglo-American empire need to leave Eurasian continent.
The Ukrainian government should leave areas they claim where they are not wanted. That state had their chance to govern in a reasonable fashion. Instead, they sought to become a ethnic dominated state. Fine. They get to have an ethnic state. But it won’t include much of the territory it claims. That claim is void.
According to few here, Russians are too peaceful and diplomatic however, the reality is that Invasions and taking rich land from neighbors is more palatable for the Kremlin and for that, there are no shortages of justifications.
It’s not about justification, Don. As some of us have told you, endlessly, there is no universal agreement about what is right and wrong in these matters and nations initiating military action always believe it is justified and are not moved by, and don’t much care about, the moral judgments of others.
We have also explained, endlessly, that the results of some provocative behavior in international relations is fairly easily predictable and that provocateurs bear significant responsibility for said results. And we have endlessly cited, in great detail, with specificity and supporting evidence, itemized the provocative actions by the US and its minions that led the world to the brink of the war that began with Russia’s February invasion.
But here you are, endlessly repeating the same nonsense that demonstrates either your inability to comprehend simple reality or your unwillingness to do so.
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John appears to be impervious to reason. Perhaps he’s immune.
“nations initiating military action always believe it is justified”
True (assuming that by “nations” you mean “political decisionmakers”).
But “X believed an action was justified” is not the same thing as “X’s claims as to why he believed the action was justified reflect his actual belief as to why it was justified.”
A man robs a bank.
He is caught and arrested.
In his defense, he testifies to the jury that he needed the money to pay for his sister’s chemotherapy.
It’s worth asking whether he even actually HAS a sister, and if so whether that sister actually has cancer.
It could be that he considered the robbery justified because he wanted a Dodge Charger.
That’s true, Thomas. And your apparent suspicion that people and governments don’t usually mean what they say is . . . merely your (apparent) suspicion.
Silly post. Unserious.
I wouldn’t call it a “suspicion” so much as an “obviosity.”
Reasons and excuses seldom enjoy 100% Venn diagram overlap.
Ha. 😎
A little math is always good for a laugh.
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Drivel.
Indeed. Word salad.
I have to say you have me there. When I read Dodge Charger that’s all that stuck in my mind, can’t say what preceded it.
A Camaro would be a better justification 😉
And you make the same argument that US is responsible for Russia bad behavior. And you endlessly assume that you are smartest person in the room and if someone disagrees with your position they are not able to comprehend simple reality.
I never argue that the US is responsible for Russia’s actions. I assert that provocative US-NATO actions have been undertaken with full knowledge of the possible or likely results (and with deliberation and malice aforethought, I believe) and that the US-NATO is therefore primarily responsible for those results. You, together with some others here, seem to be unable, or perhaps unwilling, to understand the distinction.
I think the key word here is unable. These posters cannot imagine hostility being exported when it occurs over a period of years.
It’s the same problem as the frog swimming in the slowly heating pot.
“unable” and public manipulation, is the kindest way to put it.
This isn’t grammar school. Show how the progression of NATO to Russia’s borders could not be taken as hostile.
Use Mexico and Canada as examples, by showing that the US would ignore the gradual buildup of military forces on their borders with the US over a twenty year period.
And try to be honest about your exposition on this scenario. That way we might gain some insight into just how much you actually understand about what happened to post cold war Europe.
You first, show how it was an hostile act. Countries living near Russia fear Russia and want protection. Mexico and Canada do not fear the US so they would have no reason to join a defensive alliance. So you Mexico and Canada example is just dumb. It a level of thinking that I would expect from a third grader.
“Countries living near Russia fear Russia and want protection. ”
Countries around the entire world fear the USA. Those include several pretty close to the US mainland. How many governments has the US overthrown?
Yet very few of them join military alliances to defend against US invasions – could you explain why?
Money, sycophants and fear that an alliance would trigger US sanctions, regime change or invasion. Have you been living under a rock?
The US and it’s allies spend 87% of the military spending on the planet. Smart not to provoke the attention of a hegemon.
US has also been adept at divide and rule.
Afghanistan, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea and Russia already face these consequences – yet they do not form an alliance – so while a good explanation for a lot of the countries in the world it still does not explain it for the general idea, so what is your explanation for these countries?
How has the US divided Iran and Russia (Iran is selling weapons according to the US)?
Why not ask them?
But, the simple reason is none of the countries mentioned have offensive military designs on other countries, so they don’t find an advantage in forming a pact like the bellicose NATO is.
Russia started this war with a military designed for defense. As NATO (ie. The US) has increased the
I know why they do not form an alliance, but if your claim is that their overriding fear is a US invasion (a valid suggestion) then you have this question to answer.
Alliances are more often than not formed for defensive purposes – as having designs on other nations require much more in terms of agreeing who does what and how the spoils are divided.
Nonsense. If the NATO alliance was defensive in nature and effective, then the US and allies wouldn’t be spending more than 85% of the world’s expenditures on “defense” .
And, of course, the US wouldn’t be in dozens of countries around the world. Defensive alliances don’t require 5X as large military depending against any possible single adversary. This posture weakens the US economy, reduces the prosperity of the American people.
Foreign nations should pay for their own defence instead of relying on the US to defend them.
Foreign agents that advocate for the US to protect them are not friends of the American people.
The US should look to its own needs not continue to expend resources to “protect” countries that do not choose to protect themselves. If the EU believes Russia is such a threat, even though the EU countries combined have 10X the economies and spend a multiple of Russia’s military spending , then should do more to defend themselves.
Obviously the EU doesn’t believe Russia is a threat…. OR they think the Americans will pay their bills for their defense. This needs to end.
I said that an alliance is usually defensive, not that all alliances need to be so. Anyway it is not NATO which is responsible for 85%, the US alone is responsible for by far the most of that, and few (other) NATO countries have the ability to project power beyond their immediate neighbors – hence it is not NATO as such which is the problem but the US (often assisted by the UK and sometimes France – most of the rest of the NATO partners are of very little ‘help’).
The US defense budget is much larger than NATO requirements so it would not be reduced if NATO stopped existing (it more likely would be increased).
As I pointed out the US would not like the European clients to have their trade policy ‘influenced’ by the Russians and the Chinese.
They get medals from the US administration – so take it up with them.
EU is on that path – the PESCO initiative is the start of that – some US administrations were for this some (Trump) less so – again the question seems to be that the US is not very interested in a multipolar world.
Very obviously EU does or have you completely ignored the military budget expansions that have happened in Europe in 2022 – I’m also near certain that we will see an acceleration of the EU program to make the EU nations able to field more uniform armies.
You seem to be ignoring how things actually develop based on how you think they should develop – probably you because there is as you say no reason to fear the Russians we ought not to behave as if we actually do fear them. Your problem being that what you see as the objective truth (and what may be the objective truth) is not what others believe it to be and thus not what they act upon.
Great. So, since the EU countries are increasing their defense spending and their defense spending is already 3X what Russia’s is, and the EU’s economies are 10X the size of Russia’s, there is no need for the US taxpayers to find EU’ countries! Glad we got that settled.
As for the absurd speculation that if the EU wasn’t defended by American taxpayers the Chinese would pressure the EU to sanction the USA? Somehow I’m not worried about that. Go figure.
Heads up: things in the US are not good and are getting worse. US defense spending is not going to be sustainable in the near future. We might go be able to get out of the mess we’re in, but not without getting some of the burden off our backs. Wasting resources overseas has to end.
Lot’s of word salad in the rest of your comment. Not productive to comment further.
Quite right.
Moving too fast again, the US is not in NATO to fund EU countries but to exert influence over them – so while you and I may agree that EU (will soon) not need the US to fend off the Russians – that is very far from the US taxpayer getting to pay less.
I picked up on the notion that you were not worried, the US government is however – what we are debating here is not whether they in reality need to be in NATO to prevent China/Russia from exerting political/economic pressure on EU but whether they want to be in NATO because they think it allows them to keep things more profitable for the US tax payer.
I think I have already indicated that the US defense spending is very much greater than it needs to be – the US could have the same reach with about half the spending as far as I can see – that might prevent it from winning two wars at the same time in two different hemispheres though.
The Amerikkkan government does not represent the American people. Let’s just get that sh*t straight.
So start your own fraction of one of the major parties or your own party altogether – if the rest of the people indeed fell that they are not represented by the Republicans or the Democrats they will flock to you (or your fraction).
Unfortunately, silly Amerikkkans largely consider a vote for a third- party candidate to be “ wasted.
I can’t count how many times I’ve been derided for voting for the BEST candidate, simply because they didn’t have an R or a D next to their names.
That is why I suggested starting your own fraction of the Republican or Democrat party, seeing how Trump changed what the Republicans stand for you are fairly free to make quite dramatic changes, if you have popular support for the line you are taking, which is what is your claim.
Do you recall that it was Russia who saved your sorry asses from Nazi Germany?
No they did not, we were saved by the US/UK and you might add Nazi incompetence. The Russians made that feat easier, but they were not necessary to beat Nazi Germany and some of ‘us’ had to wait 44 years more to be liberated from the Russians.
For what purpose? Those countries do not intend to dominate the world. Like the US and NATO does. Afghanistan expelled the US. Venezuela weathered a coup attempt. North Korea has nukes.
Lot’s of reasons to not be in an entangling alliance. The principal of NOT being in such was set by George Washington.
The US should be out of NATO as an example, It does not serve the interests of the American people.
An alliance is not necessary to dominate the world – it is to make the cost of attacking one of the allies very high.
So is that because you do not believe it is in the best interests of the people of the US is to dominate world trade?
Another swing and a miss. The US doesn’t need to be in NATO or spend half the world’s “defense” spending to have a strong trade position. That fact should be obvious. In fact, the mal investment in military operations and equipment diverts resources from productive uses.
That assumes that without NATO EU would not be forced by the Russians and the Chinese to apply trade sanctions to the US – or otherwise break off good trade relations.
Hogwash. You’re grasping at straws.
No – I’m referencing the exact reason NATO was created and why it is still the reason that the US is interested in continuing its existence – you may believe it is hogwash but I’m fairly sure that the US establishment does not.
The US establishment is a bunch of grifting , corrupt, narcissistic and incompetent aholes. Same as the EU. Hopefully they can be limited in the damage they are doing to the world.
NATO was created to defend against The Soviets. I guess you missed that the Soviets are gone.
The EU needs to grow up. Europeans need to stop begging for the US to defend them.
You are perhaps a US citizen, because to us in mid to eastern Europe NATO was very much continued beyond the collapse of the Soviet Union, because many/most of us had a well founded fear that Russia could easily come to pose much the same threat as the Soviet Union – as has indeed been proven now.
100% agree – it is not because I want the US to continue to carry an additional weight – at present the US is breaking WTO rules with near impunity, because it knows that EU is not going to challenge them while being so dependent on the US for its protection – that is one of the things which is in it for the US taxpayers.
The “US Establishment “?
Are you insinuating that that’s a GOOD thing?!
No just that it is a fact – if you do not like your government then you have a vote, though I have few problems in admitting that the US system is fairly antidemocratic.
Yes, I have a vote. Unfortunately the US system’s mainstream parties offer me absolutely nothing worth voting for.
Out of all the many millions of US residents, we get a choice between ByeDone and Trump?!
Like Trump who was not a Republican in any traditional sense – you could run as one form either side and just change what that side actually ‘meant’ admittedly more difficult in the Democratic party as I have understood it.
LOL @ “US establishment”!
US and NATO seek to dominate the world in an aggressive alliance. Why play that game? These countries, for various reasons chose not to.
Entangling alliances are the problem, not the solution.
So these countries all fear the US enough to do exactly nothing to safeguard themselves effectively from US aggression – so not a fear that trumps their distrust of each other.
I personally trust nothing “according to the US.”
Well that is why it was in there – because I do not really trust them, but then I can give you the Russian quote as-well:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuRWY_DMBUQ
I personally trust nothing “according to the US.”
Then go to the nearest country that fears the US and would accept Russian protection and ask yourself how the US would react. We’re talking about a country willing to go to battle for uninhabited rocks to stop other countries from having influence on the other side of the world. So, I can only imagine how Venezuela would be treated if a hostile military alliance was making overtures to them about joining with the promise of arming them to the teeth.
It looks like that on the surface if you don’t know the history and the military balance. Maybe Mexico wants the SW and California back, they would be stupid to do that, or not?
Ukrainians were stupid, they counted on NATO to take care of Russia for them, they did not expect to become the cannon fodder for the interests of the USA and neither did the Europeans.
Maybe Amerikkka would like MORE of Mexico.
You see how many people usually agree with him? There is a reason. You ignore the history he continuously points out.
The USA would have done the same thing as Russia, more and much worse than that, if they were in Russia’s shoes. More like what they did to Iraq even without provocations by Iraq.
Red…classic!
Biden’s USA is the biggest enemy of all the people and the planet. All the MEMBERS of USA/ NATO governments ARE a BUNCH of IDIOTS, psychopaths’ money and power is all they KNOW and WANT.
What monsters they really are.
See the scorched earth ME and Libya in N. Africa, the misery in Latin America, Afghanistan, where one looks it is nothing but scorched earth, whatever they touch it turns to S*H*I*T.
Try to pay attention. History is your friend.
Yes history is your friend, you should read some. PS what the last history book you read? How many history books do you have in your personnel library?
I’d like to recommend a book for you to read, Mr. American Patriot. Read “The Brothers” by Stephen Kinzer to learn all about American foreign policy. Another good one is “The Devil’s Chessboard” by David Talbott.
Ok. Got to read “The Brothers”, thanks.
Over the past 50+ years? Quite a few. How about you?
The USA ,starting with W. followed by the war criminals Obama/Biden, should have stayed out, they had no business in Ukraine.
Senile and ruthless Biden will not stop, he and all the neocons want Regime Change in Russia and Russia weakened, it is about the resources Russia has and power and money.
Back to the good old Yeltsin time when Trump made money in Russia. Navalny will be available once he gets out of prison.
Donna V: you are correct. All we will know is a flash of light,a blast of heat,big winds and bang we are all dead.
Many would die. Even more would later die of starvation and radiation poisoning. Survivors would include cockroaches and the human equivalent of cockroaches.
Cockroaches would be better stewards of the earth than humanity.
I’m not so sure that the U.S. and its flock of Gnomes would like to see the full on nuclear 200 megaton might of the Russian arsenal @ 4000 times greater than WWII ones in Japan The reply to some tactical 3 kiloton hit on advancing columns towatd Crimea is more apt to be more restrained, thsn to invite all NATO capitals into smoking ruins. I would not want to be living in the NATO state that gets such a reply.
Or even enjoy a Black Russian! 🙁
The US needs to decide whether it is a World leader, for peace, or just a first rate weapons dealer.
I have bad news, Donna . . .
They made that decision a long time ago. Profit is the winner.
Who profits if we die a slow death by nuclear fallout?
The profiteers believe they will, only they may not live long enough to find out and enjoy their profits. That would be better for them than to die a slow and painful way which they would deserve.
Good question. The profiteers believe they will win no matter what. We may not live long enough to find out if they really do if they can hide under a big enough rock with cockroaches they can eat for dinner.
I was not aware that the US even had aspirations to be a world leader for peace – I may have missed announcements of such aspirations, if so could you indicate which US president made this a goal?
Why does the US stock these weapons in the first place?
In case we decide to kill a lot of people very quickly. We feel the need to do that from time to time and cluster munitions are particularly good at that.
And it’s the gift that keeps on giving, children in Laos were being wounded decades aftter the Vietnam war.
Indeed, it starts to look like a feature not a bug.
The death that keeps on killing.
Who gives a rat’s ass?
We are speaking of TWO individuals. The United Snakes can bargain with Russia about bringing a basketball player (big whoop) home, but nary a word about negotiating the end of a war that is killing/ maiming/ displacing millions. How f*cked up is that?
I think you posted this comment on the wrong article.
Yes I did . Still trying to figure that one out 🙄
No problem it is factual and it is as f****ed up as you put it.
No, You just didn’t get it. It applies to the situation.
“Who gives a rat’s ass” I don’t expect you to care about Europeans, only Africans and Afghans and the rest of your extended family.
Extend “family” far enough and it’s everyone.
Thanks Thomas 😘
You’ve no idea who my “extended family” is, asswipe.
Yeah, and f*ck the EU…Ireland excepted, of course.
And here everybody was sure we were running out of weapons to give them.
Yes and clusterbombs are precisely the sort of weapons that keeps giving all by itself. It will assure plenty of work for hospital staff, prosthetics manufacturers and farmaceuticals for at least the next few decades.
… But CNN told us that Russia was committing war crimes because they use clusters bombs. I don’t understand (sarcasm). Ukraine has been using cluster bombs since the start of the war, I guess they are not able to make their own.
Well you know, mainstream propaganda always consistent at manufacturing the exact opposite of reality. In fact, I find such lack of imagination and consistency to be very useful.
Both Russia and Ukraine have. To be fair The New York Times reported on the Ukrainian side using them (Uragan) 18th of April. Of course embedded in a barrage of apologetics but nevertheless. Ukrainian forces also used them in the Donbas much earlier.
It’s a lot cheaper and easier to have someone else give you nasty weapons than make your own. It’s also cheaper and easier to not render the land you claim to value so much indefinitely unusable. All nations should dismantle and ban cluster bombs.
indefinitely unusable? How?
When the tiniest bump against a piece of trash can blow off your foot or hand, it’s pretty hard to grow food or raise children. How much time and money do you think it will take to clean up all unexploded ordinance? Will US taxpayers foot that bill too?
I don’t know who will pay/clean up for the unexploded ordnance but I know for sure Russia won’t and they have been the ones employing most of cluster bombs in the East, the very land they now claim theirs.
Cite?
Do your f king homework. It’s open source.
It’s bs.
I’m in favor of having those that advocate the use of such weapons clearing them…… by walking through where they are deposited…. barefooted.
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Yeah, cluster bombs are nasty. I served as a medical corpsman in Vietnam. But napalm is even worse. It scared the “merde” out of me.
Let’s see how this “rules based” administration handles this one.
Perhaps these illegal cluster bombs should be dropped on Joey Biden and his entourage!
To bad idiot Beau Biden went from brain cancer and not senile Joey Biden!
News flash. Cluster bombs are not illegal.
But they are:
“munitions that are banned by over 100 countries under an international treaty due to the harm they cause to civilians.”
Or am I being too anti-USA again?
In some people’s minds to be anti death cult is un American. In fact, it’s only being anti psychopath.
Not for America but in 100 countries they are considered illegal. These were invented during the Vietnam war and APAM can takeout a football size field with hundreds of Anti Personnel small bombs. Of course Napalm can work almost as well.
So now you’re in a position where you find yourself advocating for clusterbombs. You might consider having gone the wrong way to solve the cognitive dissonance there.
How many nations regard them as legal and which nations are they?
Celebrating the death of someone from brain cancer is a disgustingly low grade comment. And two jerks who gave you a upvote are just as bad.
I fully support such action but Creepy Joke is just a puppet. It wont change anything. The puppet will simply be replaced with another. The parasites who install puppets and pull the strings need to be exterminated. And cluster bomb might be too honorable. Gas or poison that filth.
Why are you on an Anti-war board if you support “gassing or poisoning” the leader of the US?
That isn’t war. It’s sick, but it isn’t war.
When you’re right, you are right. That has got nothing to do with being against (the unnecessary prolongation of this) war.
Why are you here spreading imperial propaganda?
Because he deserves it?
This is an anti -war board as you say, and that guy in the White House, who can’t blow his nose without an instruction manual, has been a warmonger his entire career.
Karma’ll git ‘im in the end.
Radical.. but yes, somethings need to change.
China exports jobs, industry, infrastructure; we export bombs/warplanes/weapons.
And Russia provides, food, fertilizer, rare earths, energy, industrial metals and more. Real stuff. Like China.
We run the world. What need care we for the rules of others?
Apparently there is no limit to the lowness of the US arms manufacturers talking about selling Cluster bombs to Ukraine to kill civilians which just joins a long list of such crimes being committed by the Military and there hired mercenaries.Needless to say the US and Israel will ,never be brought to justice for human rights violations.
Cluster bombs for the cluster fck, sounds about right.
Would Trump do this?
Probably not.
Trump was weak. He likely would have gone along with this. Look at who he was surrounded with.
Yet Biden did it and look who he has surrounding him, LOL!
A bunch of Zionazis. ‘Nuff said.
Interestingly enough the Nazi Rump Rada inner circle in Ukraine is 2/3rd Jewish. Amazing really just how corrupt and criminal things are.
The victims of the greatest crime in history are now the perpetrators.
He dropped the MOAB and then bragged about it.
Yes he would have.
War is hell, Elmo.
Whenever I hear “Biden is considering giving certain weapons to Ukraine,” I get a feeling they were already delivered. It’s like a deal with the devil. Too good to be true. Nothing is cheaper than free. Not only is it free, the devil will also pay you to use it. But one day, you may have to pay for it with your own life.
The way US is participating in this war that Ukraine can not win, I wouldn’t be surprise if US start supplying chemical agent bombs to Ukraine since conventional weapons won’t do the job…!
Ukraine already using illegal/banned “petal mines”. Wouldn’t put it past them to use cluster bombs as well at some point. Desperation is slowly showing.
Russia and Ukraine both use cluster munition. Even the New York Times reported on it as early as 18th of April, be it apologetically:
“..Ukrainians’ decision to saturate their own village with a cluster munition that has the capacity to haphazardly kill innocent people underscores their strategic calculation: This is what they needed to do to retake their country, no matter the cost.” Reports of Ukrainian forces resorting to cluster munitions against their fellow Ukrainians in Donbass date at least to 2015 as far as I know and I don’t know much.
“No matter the cost” is the foundational logic which underlies war crimes.
…”And as long as it takes. ” is another.
“Ukraine Wants US Cluster Bombs”
US Seeks Ukraine Pledge to Use them Safely
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What next? Hollow point rifle bullets?
Everyone screaming that Ukraine wants these new ammunition while ignoring the fact that it is Russia the one that has been using Cluster bombs extensively in Ukraine. But let’s only call out Ukraine in the name of peace.
Zzz
Merkel confesses that Minsk1 and Minsk2 were lies to buy time for Ukraine to rebuild its forces to attack Russia. Frau Merkel revealed this in her interview with the Zeit newspaper.
Moscow is well aware that NATO was using Ukraine to attack Russia. The Russian people are demanding US blood and a total defeat of NATO. For the Russian people there is no path to peace, they will only accept the total defeat of the Western powers that brought fascism and war.
Yeah. I read reports of this and was hoping it was false or somehow exaggerated.
To me, it is really sucky that the US will turn any investigation of 2014 in Ukraine into a partisan investigation. This is a very effective way to guarantee that it accomplishes nothing.
On a practical note, the rest of the world does not care. All the diplomatic overtures made by the US were totally and completely lying. The lies of Iraq were accepted by both parties, and so were these lies.
Saw an article that states the Pentagon has decided that attacks deep inside Russia can be justified. Looks like we’re going to enter a really ugly stage of this Biden proxy war.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians remove major Ukrainian cites from the off-limits list in response.
My loathing for the ugly thing that has taken over my country knows no bounds.
Moscow will just keep meat grinding NATO in Ukraine, there is no need for them to change a wining strategy. The danger is that NATO once defeated will nuke Russia. When that happens its all over for all of us.
Agreed. This is the outcome I’ve come to expect. It’s obvious that Biden and his idiots have finally realized that they are in a war they can lose and lose big – something I think was not in their minds when they concocted this lunacy.
There’s nowhere they can go now except to escalate the violence and hope they can get the Russians to commit to a second time what they were driven to do in February, thereby legitimizing (in their diseased minds) a war with NATO forces operating from Ukraine.
I can only say this:
Biden’s entire entourage belongs in the dock at the Hague for crimes against humanity. Their violation of Human rights and values deserves the severest punishments.
“Biden’s entire entourage belongs in the dock at the Hague for crimes against humanity. Their violation of Human rights and values deserves the severest punishments.”
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today.
Now there can be no doubt that Washington DC is indeed using Ukraine as their pawn against Russia.
Ukraine has been using cluster bombs for already some time now in the Donbas region. There is video evidence of this. They are called patels and look like butterflies. Especially children are attracted to them thinking they are toys. They do not necessarily kill but maim victims of this ordnance for life. They blind and blow of hands and feet. It’s a war crime using them. The US used them in Yemen and Laos during the Vietnam war. Even to this very day 50 years later they still maim children in that country.
Senile Joe is a bit confused. Wait until he kills us ALL. He is STILL promoting death and destruction in YOU-craine.