Report: US Told Ukraine to Tread Carefully After Missile Hit Poland

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1. The Russians do all they can to not give NATO any excuse to get more involved than they already are.

   1. Yes, seems the butter has now clarified on this critical pt. Still, the Kagans won’t be corralled for long. They’ll retreat to their cave, reconnoiter, and return howling for blood.

      1. In the end, they can’t do a thing. The smart neocons destroyed their own allies with sanctions, there will be nothing left to win but ruins. For Europe it is the delayed Morgenthau plane. For the USA it is a hegemony with nothing left to come back to and dominate but cock roaches. God, how smart the neocons are.

   2. Well that is great, before they were threatening all EU capitals with nuclear annihilation nice they have come to their senses.

      1. The Russians never threatened the Europeans with nuclear annihilation, only Biden and his neocons keep talking about nuclear destruction, only the USA reserves first strike ability for itself. Only the USA have used nuclear bombs and the USA starting with Bush ended nuclear agreements, only the USA took us back to MAD. American consecutive administrations ended nuclear agreement starting with ABM in 2002. It was signed in 1972, it was good for 30 years until smart W. ended it.
         The same guy who started the Iraq and Afghanistan war based on nothing but lies. Can Americans be proud of that scumbag?

         the United States withdrew from the landmark 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty on June 13. Little pageantry or protest marked the U.S. move abrogating the treaty and its prohibition against nationwide missile defenses, despite often fierce debate on the accord within Washington and around the world.

   3. That is the problem. Kremlin pacifist stance emboldens terrorist Anglo-American regime. If they continue to take hits without retaliation, this war will become long and very bloody.

      1. I think NATO is taking care of it’s own destruction, so does the EU. The Putin people have maybe made mistakes, but only time will tell. The Ukrainians appear to panic for good reason, I think. The Ukrainian and European people were thrown under the bus by the neo-Nazis and the USA/NATO. The Ukrainians suffer the most. If they don’t start to honestly negotiate with Russia and tell Biden and his fools of people to go to hell there will be nothing left of Ukraine and Europe. They are playing Russian roulette, all or nothing.

      2. You may be right, but ultimately this war too will be won by diplomacy and not on the battlefield. To Putin it’s more important to get support from the non-Western world than to gain a quick success on the battlefield. If the West’s sanctions had worked, the Russian Federation would be history by now. The reasons that the sanctions didn’t work and even backfired is because Putin didn’t overreact so as to get the understanding from world leaders. For example, Putin only launched the campaign against Ukraine’s infrastructure after Ukraine and the West had publicly celebrated the terrorist attack on Russian infrastructure like the Kerch bridge. I’m not a Putin fan, but one cannot but admire the way he handled the military operation.

2. What this shows is that the Deep State has the power to spin an incident like this to trigger WWIII. The Ukrainian military together with unnamed intelligence sources from the West claimed to be certain that this was a Russian attack on Poland. It’s only after pictures of the rocket fragments showed that it was a Ukrainian SAM that Western pundits gradually changed the narrative and blamed a “Russian-built rocket”. Of course, all Ukrainian SAMs are Soviet-built.

   The question still remains if this was an accident or if elements in the Ukrainian military decided to launch a false flag operation to get Nato involved. Scot Ritter claims that there is no way a Ukrainian SAM could have hit Poland if it had been launched to hit a Russian rocket coming from an Easterly direction, unless somebody directed it to fly towards Poland. Anyways, even if the rocket had gone on a wrong trajectory, the Ukrainian controllers could have activated the self-destruct command.

   Nobody controls the Deep State and nobody controls the far right elements that have infiltrated the officer ranks of the Ukrainian armed forces with networks such as Azov or Centuria. They have learned that the West will cover their terrorist attacks and false flag operations. We live in scary times.

   1. Oh Yeah, it seems Clinton, Nuland and the 2014 coup clan are all in for WWIII. What I never stop wondering…… Why now when we are a decade behind in rocketry, thermonuclear weapons; unless one believes smaller is better, air defense and probably jet fighters too. Anyone out there have a clue, except, this is when they are able and they think they can out smart the Russians and very very likely China too….. BUT,BUT hypersonic weapons don’t give very much time for tough problems 2B solved…. WTF…??????

      1. One reason is that we have a military for profit, rather than one for defense, as I see it.

      2. MvGuy,,the USA has secret weaponry that would stun the world if and when they are revealed, thus the USA Ghouls can act with impunity knowing that we have a knockout punch just waiting in the wings.

      3. They want regime change in the Kremlin to use the period of political instability that’s likely to follow for 1) dissolving the Russian Federation, 2) getting access to Russian resources, 3) bailing out indebted Western economies and then 4) having a go at China.

         The deep state doesn’t want nuclear Armageddon, but might risk an escalation that gets us to the brink of nuclear war in order to defend US hegemony.

         The Russians have an advantage in missile technology and anti-air defenses because their military is defensive while the US military with its air force and aircraft carriers is offensive. But it’s very hard to know how this will pan out in an actual war.

         Anyways, I think the deep state tries to escalate without understanding the consequences. These people are so full of their belief in Western superiority.

         1. There don’t really seem to be any likely good consequences for the US empire.

            The Russian empire has been in a state of slow disintegration since 1991, with some successes (e.g. Chechnya) in reversing that disintegration, but mostly just efforts to slow it down further.

            The US empire is likewise in a state of slow disintegration as its ability to enforce the global commands it issues falls away.

            Neither of those trends is likely to reverse on the whole.

            If the Russian Federation dissolved tomorrow morning, the primary beneficiary in terms of both resources and new satrapies would almost certainly be China, not the US. Central Asia (including Russian imperial satrapies) is already turning in that direction, and if the federation itself dissolved, the newly independent poities along and near the 2,600-mile Russo-Chinese border would be more likely to associate themselves with China than with the US.

            Of course, that might be BENEFICIAL to the US in some respects. A China working on expanding its influence (or even direct rule) in those areas might be less worried about e.g. Taiwan, territorial disputes on the Pacific Rim, etc. North Korea might (probably with Chinese permission/cooperation) gain some fishing waters, ports, etc. along its land and maritime borders with Russia’s Khasansky District/Primorsky Krai.

            But I suspect any true dissolution of the Russian Federation is something for the long term — possibly longer-term than the United States has left as a similarly unitary polity.

            1. The idea that the RF is about to disintegrate is part of Western propaganda, which tries to achieve exactly this objective. The “Free People of Russia Forum”, which aims to split the RF into 34 republics is funded by US/UK sources including the NED and Soros. It’s always dangerous to believe in your own propaganda because it leads to wrong decisions like the US decision to escalate the Ukraine crisis to the stage of a proxy war.

               The dissidents (and terrorists) who are now groomed by the US to serve as the future leading elite in the republics that are to emerge from the collapse of the RF are to serve as US puppets to give the West access to Russian resources. As the 2014 Maidan coup has shown, the US is quite capable of regime change to bring to power leaders that serve US interests.

               So, don’t get up your hopes. The RF will prosper as a founding member of the new multipolar system. The collapse of the RF and the PRC would only serve Western interests. It doesn’t benefit anybody in Russia or China. Many of the 34 republics that are to emerge from the collapse of the RF would be impoverished because they’ll be without resources.

               The US empire, on the other hand, will inevitably decline unless US leaders decide to abandon unipolarism and become a full member of the multipolar world. The collapse of the petro-dollar will destroy the US economy and send the US into a period of social and political upheaval, which will likely end in a totalitarian state.

3. “Pretty sure” isn’t absolutely sure and that seems like a dicey way to deduce the situation…

4. Zelenski, Duda and NATO were caught lying about the missile in Poland. They lied to start WW3. The media who unquestioningly reported these lies are war criminals.

   Gonzalo Lira says thank god for 2 potato farmers in Poland. They took photo’s of the missile debris and impact site. This lead to the back down by NATO and the world could clearly see what a bunch of lying criminals they all are. Poland has now criminalised taking photo’s of missile crash sites.

   Poland and Ukraine are desperate to start a war. Ukraine needs this global war to survive and Poland needs this global war to seize Ukrainian land.

   Now remind me again who started WW1 and WW2. Ohhh that’s right Poland.

   1. Poland can take some Ukrainian land without a global war. When The West stops financing Kiev regime, Ukraine will go to pieces. Then Poland will have a good chance to get a piece of Ukraine.

      1. More likely that Poland will demand that the EU/Germany bankroll restUkraine, which will be a basket case for the foreseeable future. The Poles will choke on the Banderites.

         1. Demand they can anything. They are also demanding from Germany a huge reparation for WW II (forgetting that a lot of German lands, after WW II, they got as a gift from Stalin).

            1. When the EU expanded Eastward it swallowed a poison pill that will in the end kill the EU because the new members are into a nationalist hatred that contradicts everything the EU stands for.

            2. It happened because EU, the same as NATO, is dominated by American oligarchy. Americans wanted to create the hostility between EU countries and Russia. The extension of NATO as close to Russia as possible could terminate only the way it did. New EU members were forced upon West Europe for the purpose to keep the public opinion in East Europe pro-American and pro-NATO. EU membership was a compensation for them for taking orders from Washington.

      2. They’ll take back the portion(s) of Ukraine that was previously part of Poland

         1. Before WW I, those territories were part of Austrian empire.

      3. It would be in the best interest of Kremlin to offer west territories that were annexed by Stalin back to Poland but as far as I understand, Poles don’t want them back. Well, to be clear, they probably want the lands but not their residents.

         1. Poland definitely wants to incorporate those territories into Poland. Poles already got some special rights in those territories; they even guard Ukraine-Belarus border. It is unclear what they will do with Ukrainian nationalists after the war with Russia is over. On the other hand, after the incorporation into Poland, Ukrainians would become the citizens of EU, which they are considering as a great advantage.

   2. What I’m struck by re this story is the utter incompetence of Zelensky’s handlers in Blinkenville, and the depravity of the Ukrainian leadership.
      Looks to me like nothing of substance has changed in Ukraine – or Washington – since before the events of 2014.

      1. What would anyone expect from 3rd world basket case, up against the premier world power in destructive devices but clutching at straws and anything to delay the inevitabl, until they feel rich enough to relocate to Israel or Switzerland???
         i.e. NEVER…..

      2. The problem with proxies is that sooner or later they turn rogue. Like the Mujahidin and the Jihadists, the UkroNazis will turn into monsters to devour their creators in the West.

      3. The real story is that no one told the truth, until the photo’s were taken and then events took over. The media are war criminals.

         Example MH17 crashed Obama immediately told us Russia shot it down. The evidence that they are now saying convicts the culprits of course wasn’t fabricated till months later. So what Obama said was a lie……this is the exact same process.

   3. Will Tori and State now pay the families of the dead farmers the standard $2000 and a goat?

5. Dang! And after all that effort building up Z’s credibility for the western booboise … he needs another visit from Penn and Stiller.

6. “‘I do not know exactly what happened this time 100%. The world doesn’t know 100% either.'”

   I do not know exactly what will happen if I drop my keys 100%. The world doesn’t know 100% either.

   Galling as it is, this is also ‘the West’s’ fault for politically equivocating over what – in light of satellite trajectory tracking – was surely highly conclusive evidence Ukraine shot the missile – vs. this ‘likely of Ukraine origin’ (Stoltenberg) crap.

   Even now, the west refuses to simply and directly say, ‘False alarm, Ukraine misfired the missile – we tracked it, we’re sure.’ The west has the power to do this – it chooses not to. Why? Dunno…theatre so Ukraine can ‘join the investigation’ and ‘declare’ that ‘now that it has investigated, it appears no longer certain it came from Russia – as all the facts Ukraine had made it reasonable to suppose – though the world will still never know 100%”?

   11/18 from the “Kyiv Independent”: “There is no information on who launched the missile that was tracked, nor where it was fired from.”

   1. It is 100% the West’s fault because the West has covered Kyiv’s lies for the last 8 years. Zelensky doesn’t understand the world any longer because the West always believed every lie no matter how absurd.

7. Zelenski does not seem to understand that he is no longer on a TV show.

   1. It is literally all he knows how to do.

8. Does this mean Poland can declare war against Ukrainazia? 😉

   1. No

9. Tonkin Gulf Incident. This time, just this once, Biden shied away. But they will try again, and again.

   1. Is it possible that Joe is getting tired of the entire act? I mean, the midterms are over, and so now there is less need to keep up the facade of lies and deliberately misleading BS that the Administration has put forth. Presumably, Joe wants this problem “solved,” the sooner the better, what with the Republicans taking control of the House (and so now in position to ask embarassing questions), and his own re election moving front and center in the political world. Progressives have already, however feebly, registered some discontent with the “no talks” policy. Voters are starting to get restless. A European recession is looming, perhaps an American one as well. Wouldn’t it be in Biden’s interest to get some kind of resolution, before the his re election season begins? Take half a loaf, pressure Zelenskyto take half a loaf, say it is a victory (or, at least, peace with honor), end the war, and call the whole thing off? Its not like the Ukraine is going to win before November 2024, that much even Biden’s generals are admitting. So, what? Endless war, with endless costs (political, economic, diplomatic), from here to eternity?

      1. I think “Uncle” Joe is just plain getting tired. Running the US and Columbia is hard work.

10. Haven’t we said that Ukraine makes their own decisions? So, what is this talk of telling them to “tread carefully”.

11. NATO politicians and NATO media have zero credibility. If it is profitable for them to lie, they are lying. If it is profitable to say truth, they would say the truth.

12. Don’t worry. Joe jumped out of bed and saved the world.

13. “Report: US Told Ukraine to Tread Carefully After Missile Hit Poland When asked about Zelensky’s claim that a Russian missile hit Poland, President Biden said, ‘That’s not the evidence'”

    Two years ago I watched a BBC documentary on the war in Eastern Ukraine. When the BBC reporter interviewed the Ukrainians attacking the Russian Ukrainians there were comments wishing for World War Three to punish the Russian Ukrainians.

    Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, Ukrainian or Estonian; these are tribal people who just hate to the point of wanting to destroy the world just to kill Russians.

    It is time to replace the Democrats and Kleptocrat Republicans and bring in adult diplomats before it is too late.

    1. “Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?” -George Washington

       You’re right about eastern Europeans hating Russians. How somebody can manage blind hatred for an entire nation of people, not one of whom they actually know, is beyond me, but that’s how people are. A lot of Americans hate Russians too, even though Russia is on the other side of the world from them. People are hateful monkeys.

       1. Russia and America are 40 miles apart across the Bering Straits. Your thinking might be corrupted by looking at maps.

          1. Most Americans couldn’t find the Bering Strait on a map. And Moscow feels a long way from the US.

       2. Many people in the former Warsaw pact countries confound “communists” and “Russians”. Blaming the Russians for decades of communist totalitarian rule, these people forget that the Russians too suffered from communist rule. In fact, in proportion to the entire population, there were more communists in the satellite countries than in Russia itself. Communists in Poland, East Germany and the Baltics also tended to by more hardline than communists in Russia. In fact, Gorbachev’s reforms of the communist command economy were initiated in Russia and resisted in the satellite states.

          Thus, the Russia-hatred in Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic countries is based on a falsification of history. It’s also based on a shallow nationalism that needs to compensate by aggressiveness for its lack of depths.

          1. Never heard the Soviet satellites were more communist than the USSR. Maybe the Soviets saw to that. But ethnic hatred in eastern Europe goes back way before communism. It’s just what they do. Communism just gave them another excuse, but they’ve never seemed to need one anyway.

             1. There is the seed for ethnic hatred in every people, but it only becomes a problem when it is used to push a political agenda. Ukrainian nationalisms was artificially resurrected to push an anti-Russian agenda that benefits Anglo-American imperialism. Ukrainians and Russians have been living side by side for centuries.

       3. Ted, their are now 11 billion “hateful monkeys” on this Earth, time to cull that down to 2 billion, or someone else is probably planning to do just that, or maybe extinction. I am sure Mother Nature would vote for extinction.

14. Turns out the Ukrainians are also paranoid, fragile slavs. Still they are our Slavs. What is the big deal? Thousands of missiles flying around and one oopsie shockingly good I would say.

15. Sorry, I don’t get this. Why didn’t Ukraine’s surrogate parent just tell Zelensky to shut up?

16. I don’t care what these two countries do to each other, but the fact that the DC GHOULS have spent over 70Billion$ of our tax money, that we do not have, is a crime against every citizen of the USA! It is time for a major Purge of all these Republicratz and Democratz from DC and off of our throats! 🙁

17. “Report: US Told Ukraine to Tread Carefully After Missile Hit Poland When asked about Zelensky’s claim that a Russian missile hit Poland, President Biden said, ‘That’s not the evidence'”

    The insanity of the Baltic Republics, Poland, and Ukraine is evident everyday.

    The civilized world needs to ignore any and all further news from the governments of these countries that are beyond the Pale of Western Civilization!

18. Yeah, well, if it’s not clear to the idiots in DC and NATO, they are going to do everything they possibly can to escalate this into WWIII and get us directly involved. And it hasn’t even gotten bad yet, wait till the river freeze.

19. How did MSM react?
    Sounds like panic got the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to act even more stupid than they already are. And MSM responded as usual no questions asked.

20. If Russia were invading Poland I don’t think they would start by using one missile to attack a rural farm. Even if it was a Russian missile it would not justify WWIII.

21. Is it possible that the Ukrainians did this intentionally to try and lure the US and its Allies into war? If so, that is really dangerous and unethical. Not saying this is what happened, but if there is a slight possibility than I think we have to be more cautious.

    1. Thanks for the laugh. “Is it possible” that Ukraine staged a false flag? Yes, and the possibility is more than “slight”.

22. The intriguing news is – Ukraine “voluntarily” evacuating Kherson and even further up Mykolaevo. It is presumably due to energy situation. Kherson is empty as it anyway. But Mykolaevo? It feels more like forcible move of pro-Russian population to facilitate eventual change of demographic picture.
    Why did not they do it before? Because presence of Russian population was an insurance policy that cty would be largely spared,
    It mayb signify next phase, Both sides taking population out of the way cresting a buffer zone,

23. If this missile was fired accidentally from Ukraine, it’s not unlikely that it was a U.S. or NATO built missile.

24. If this missile was fired accidentally from Ukraine, it’s not unlikely that it was a U.S. or NATO built missile.

25. There are troubling signs that this was not a mistake or a misfire by Ukrainian anti-missile S-300, but a false flag operation. There were no Russian missile strike in the region defended by this system. No radars showed incoming missiles, And the direction of defensive fire would have been south to south east, not north-west,
    There were some explanations offered, such as tracking cruise missiles — that can come from different directions. But S-300 or any other such system is based in radars tracking missiles hundreds of miles away — they do not wait for missiles to come this clise to chase them in the sky. Defense either gets it right ir not at all.
    And the whole plan fell apart probably due to neighboring farmers taking pictures oof fragments everywhere with visible signs. Posted it snd went viral
    It proved conclusively it was Ukrainism system.

    Do we owe the prevention of escallation to the tech-savvy farmer?
    It could have been a mistake, a misfire, as just ONE fired.

    What is very troubling is — attemot to declare tge
    incident as Russian attack. And nobody knows what results of any official investigation would have bern. But pictures published from the eyewitnesses — prevented any official political process,

    Daily Ukraine is shelling Zaporozhie nuclear power plant. CNN consistently peddles the lie — parties accussung each other! Seriously — a third grader could easily determine that of “two” sides, one has o interest in
    shelling itself.

    But this is not a routine war games — this is Europe’s largest nuclear power plant by number of active reactors. And a nuclear accudent woukd give warmongers an uper hand.
    None of these attempts to widen the war has to come from NATO, or US or any EU country. There are too many special interests with clout and thrir own power base and they do influence the course of events. The
    fact that our government is reckless enough to endanger the population by NOT stepping in — speaks volumes. The issue here is not the war -/ but an existential threat to the health on this plannet.

    It tells me that while the missile incident may have been defused, the next attempt at provoking wider conflict may not be stopped.

    1. Thanks for pointing out that this may be the actions of a third party. At least for the missiles launch.

       The attacks on the nuclear power plant are happening often so that both Zelensky and Blinken must have signed off on them.

26. An interesting observation…..The missile crash site aligns longitude and latitude with Kiev and Lviv, Almost like it was set up.

27. So where are the usual anti Russian stooges on this comment section?

    1. Where indeed. Things are getting hard to spin, and false flags seem to be getting harder to pull off in the digital age.

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