Russia’s Defense Ministry on Tuesday denied reports that its missiles crossed into Poland, calling the accusation a “deliberate provocation.”
Russia launched a massive missile barrage across Ukraine on Tuesday, and a US intelligence source told The Associated Press that Russian missiles hit Poland, killing two people, although the Pentagon said it could not corroborate the claim.
Polish media reports said there were explosions in the Polish town of Przewodow, near the Ukrainian border. The Russian Defense Ministry said that it launched no strikes in the area.
“Polish media reports and official statements about the alleged fall of ‘Russian’ missiles near the Polish settlement of Przewodow are a deliberate provocation aimed at escalating the situation. The Russian military has conducted no strikes at targets close to the Ukrainian-Polish state border,” the Ministry said, according to the Russian news agency TASS.
When asked about the reports, Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said the US was looking into the incident. “We are aware of the press reports alleging that two Russian missiles have struck a location inside Poland near the Ukraine border. I can tell you that we don’t have any information at this time to corroborate those reports and are looking into this further,” Ryder said.
The Russian Defense Ministry said that the missile wreckage seen in Polish media outlets had no relation to Russian weapons. If munitions did fall in Poland and they weren’t Russian, one possibility is that it was Ukrainian air defenses that misfired, but at this point, nothing is confirmed.
The Russian missile barrage across Ukraine was said to be its largest yet since the February 24 invasion and targeted energy infrastructure. Temporary power outages were reported in Moldova as a result, as some of the country’s power grid is connected to Ukraine’s.
96 thoughts on “Russia Denies Reports That Its Missiles Crossed Into Poland”
It’s not in Russia’s interest to give NATO a pretext to join the war in Ukraine.
Russia’s been doing a helluva lot of things that aren’t really in Russia’s interest.
Sure, but this is stupid even for them. Also as a matter of principle “never attribute to malevolence what can be explained by mere stupidity”
I wonder how many miles it works out to if you transpose a couple of digits far down in the “deliver to” coordinates of a missile.
I doubt North American Terrorist Occupation will openly attack Russian forces even if Kremlin bomb the crap out US bases in Syria and sink few aircraft carriers. The Pentagon rats are cowards. The only way they can fight a war is hiding behind civilians. They get wrecked in open combat.
But perhaps you’re right… There are bunch of pacifists in Kremlin who don’t like making hard decisions.
The chief pacifist in Kremlin is Putin. Russian people support Putin because Russians are peaceful people.
Yes and that is what Anglo-American terrorists are exploiting.
They need to understand that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. These barbarians only understand the language of brute force. They will continue to terrorize Eurasia unless this shitty empire is put down like a rabbited dog.
Anglo-Saxons are not barbarians. It is a different civilization.
Actually they are by Greek/Roman definition. Brittania was a Roman colony. It is not a civilization.
We all started as the colonies. Only Egypt started as the cradle of the civilization.
You may want to look up Aryan civilization. It predate Egyptian and Sumerian by several thousand years.
(and no, it is in no way related to Adolf’s delusions)
There are a lot of political fairy stories created in the last five hundred years. The biggest historical fake is Scaliger’s world history and his chronology. Modern, so called, traditional history is based upon Scaliger’s fake chronology.
Christians were notorious book burners so pretty much everything they teach kids in school today is a lie.
Those r Iranians
Yeah indo-aryan branch (Persians) are part of it. They are what I call transitional Aryans. Norse are also transitional. Aryan civilization collapsed about 4000 years ago. It split into 4 tribes with each tribe building own civilizations. Last living Aryan language is Sanskrit.
We proved it delusion by destroying him but did not prove anything. Blavatsky was delusional. But he was just repeating the same scholarship in the UK/US and elsewhere about philology and taxonomy and it was supported by quite a lot of archaeology. After the war these studies continue only carefully renamed and shrouded in PC language. Ironically it was our lack of knowledge about genetics that allowed the suppression of this scholarship, but I think one day soon be vindicated.
New definition of Pacifist:
Putin invading, attacking and annexing Ukraine with-half a million troops.
If Russia decides to hit Poland, Russia will hit it hard. Those alleged missiles, if they really did landed in polish territory, sure, were Ukrainian antiair defense missiles. As we know, a lot of property in Ukraine was destroyed and many civilians were killed by stray Ukrainian antiair defense missiles.
No it isn’t but then again such things have a non-zero chance of happening anyway. This why you often hear experts use the expression “have their own dynamic” when characterizing the course of ongoing conflicts. And so the nature of statistics is such that the longer war goes on, the greater the probability of the actualization of non-intended catastrophy. Long enough and it nears the unit asymptote.
And such is the case that especially in wars the actual facts might not even matter.
Just read that the missile was most likely a Ukrainian missile according to American sources. They are much less accurate than the arussian precision quidednmissiles that never missed a target.
So are you saying Russia didn’t do it?
No, he’s saying it’s not in russia’s interest. Perhaps they did it by accident, perhaps they didn’t do it at all. But whatever the case, it’s not in russias interest.
It’s virtually certain that Russia didn’t do it deliberately.
It’s fairly unlikely that a Russian missile caused the deaths and damage. The RF MoD is not so stupid that it would deny that its weapons were involved when the remnants of the weapons in question are in the possession of a NATO member with visceral hatred for everything Russian.
I’m sure we’ll know much more soon.
My assumption, pending real evidence (which may or may not show up) is that it was an accident or that a single launcher unit (or even a single person in a unit) from one side or the other went rogue and got stupid.
Sh*t happens, but usually when sh*t happens at the policy level — which an ordered attack on Polish territory would be — there’s a discernible reason for it. Since it wasn’t a bunch of missiles, followed by a column of troops advancing behind the impacts, I discount the idea that higher headquarters called down a “let’s shoot a missile at Poland” order.
Well, yes. I can’t imagine the Stavka wanting to deliberately attack Poland at this point.
No, actually, “Belay my last.” 😏 I can definitely imagine that they’d love to attack Poland, but not that they actually would. And, if they did, I think they’d want to take out Brussels simultaneously and warn London, Berlin and DC that fingers remained on the buttons. And fingers would definitely remain on the buttons, together with eyes on the monitors.
I also don’t think the NATO commanders who are actually calling the shots for the Kiev regime would do anything so crazy as to launch a false-flag missile strike. Probably the Ukrainian senior command wouldn’t either. That would seriously imperil their prospects for lucrative post-war gigs in private warmonger enterprises and the rubber-chicken speaking circuit.
So, the best guess is that either someone’s missile went haywire or an out-of-control nutjob went rogue. If the latter is the case, it’s much more likely to have been an Ukrainian crazy. It’s not that Russia doesn’t have any, no doubt they exist, but they must know that they wouldn’t live to see another sunrise if they did such a thing, whereas, in the Kingdom of Azov and Praviy Sektor . . .
There was a report on a bunch of Polish merks killing some umm… “ultra-nationalists” in west Ukraine. Apparently these thugs wanted them on front lines and Polish merks refused. Shot a few of them and “ultra-nationalists” came back to settle the score. Got wrecked by Poles.
Part of me thinks this could be some kinda payback for that.
There are bits and pieced thatvwill prove things easily, Attack on Poland? I do not think so.
It would be nice to check things out. Even Pentagon does not have a confirmation yet. It should not be hard to determine if Rusdian midile or Ukrsinian missike defence thst misfired. Pieces will be there,
Everyone, who follows those events, knows that stray Ukrainian antiair defense missiles did a lot of damage to Ukrainian towns.
Not deliberately, because it does not make sense and still has to be confirmed. Explain why Russia would do so in the first place?Secondly. Just look at the last twenty five years (and beyond ) and watch how many time USA NATO were using false pretexts (WMD) to start and escalate wars. Ever heard of the MIC? In whose interest is it to make wars? Billions and Bilions of dollars are made.
How do you say FALSE FLAG!
Im waiting on the first one here to blame it on the super dangerous Azov 1.5 million strong Nazi Army.
Hahaha. Was just coming here to say I was waiting for someone to say it was really Ukraine.
That’s the sort of adolescent nonsense we expect from you and Don. And once again you don’t disappoint us.
Oh, I haven’t joked about any “adolescent” crackpot theory here that some tankie hasn’t espoused. Hell, I just searched Twitter and some folks are already saying it. https://twitter.com/devlin195/status/1592646536302829568
The adolescent nonsense is that you are eagerly cruising the net looking for opportunities to indulge your penchant for shallow-minded snark. It’s the mentality of obsessed sports fans: You get off on trash talking the rival team.
Ukraine is at the point of desperation. In some peoples’ (Ukro-Nazis) minds it would be a logical move when the alternative is surrender. And they have all the fix’ns ready to hand. And it has that kinda diabolical inevitability about it. We’ve kinda all been expecting this guy to arrive, and we should know pretty soon where Washington gets off. So “Hahaha” if you like, … all the way to hell.
Maybe, but not all that easy to pull off. The remnants of the weapon will be easy to trace and the region is blanketed by advanced terrestrial, airborne and satellite surveillance systems.
Another thought on “the remnants of the weapon will be easy to trace.”
You may recall the airliner incident from several years back. One problem with proving who did it was that the Ukrainians, the Donbas separatists, and the Russians all possessed Buk missiles of the type that hit the airliner (I’m still not convinced that anything has been proven on that, btw).
If whatever landed in Poland was a Soviet-era weapon, it may not be possible to say who had it and who shot it just from that.
I agree that we really don’t know who fired the Buk or why, notwithstanding that the Netherlands and the rest of the West insist that it was Russian or Donbas troops. I think we should be able to know, for the same reason we should be able to know about the weapon that has apparently landed in Poland.
As you will remember from your time in uniform, military establishments slap model, variant and serial numbers on everything more durable than individual paper clips (shipments of paper clips do have identification numbers). And they assign units of REMFs to track all of the serialized units, bits and pieces, obsessively.
Also, the disposition of Soviet weapons to the various recipient entities was carefully documented. No one trusted anyone else and none of the recipients wanted to be short-changed.
There are almost certainly voluminous records that should be able to reveal the date and place of manufacture and the dates and places of subsequent travels, storage and deployment of . . . pretty much any missile of any sort at all.
Now, whether those records will be shared, and validated . . .
Well, in the case of a missile exploding and dropping fragments of itself all over the landscape in a war zone, it’s not obvious that serial numbers, etc. will end up being recoverable.
It’s possible that trace analysis of explosive residue, etc. might offer a clue as to what particular lot of warheads the thing came from, and where the missiles in that lot ended up … if the parties are forthcoming with records, and if further transfers didn’t take place, and so on.
But let’s just suppose that the last known possessor of the missile could be identified. Last known. In Donbas circa 2014, it’s a good bet that separatists were raiding Ukrainian armed forces depots, that Ukrainian forces were keeping and issuing captured Russian/separatist ordnance, etc. So a Buk that was known to have been in the inventory of Unit X as of the moment of Donbas secession might well have changed hands at any point between then and the shootdown of the aircraft.
When people start shooting at each other bad sh*t happens. And the more advanced the weaponry and more forces involved, the more bad the sh*t is likely to get. Not because all of those troops are interested in being war criminals, although some always are, but because warfare is an inherently confusing activity.
I never actually had to pull a trigger on another human being in the Marine Corps, but I came so close once that I knew I could. I was taking the slack out of the trigger on a Squad Automatic Weapon when the speeding truck coming right toward my barricade slammed on its brakes, turned, and sped off and it was an ambulance that hadn’t yet had the red crosses/crescents painted on its sides (just on the back).
And as it turns out, if I had filled that ambulance full of lead, I’d have been right to do so. A week later, one of my friends did exactly that after it turned out that the “sniper fire” our posts had been receiving was coming from that ambulance.
Then sh*t got REALLY weird. My friend (and another Marine he was with) got put up for court martial. Then the British (it was a British military ambulance) refused to turn over the ambulance, the body or bodies, etc., and the charges went away. While all THAT was going on, a public affairs unit moved into a hooch my squad had been using. Their CO asked me what unit I was with and when I told him he was like “wow, you’re the guys who killed that IRA terrorist.” I was like “what?” and he said “yeah, I saw it on CNN, IRA terrorist was shooting at US and British troops from an ambulance and you guys killed him.”
I’ve never been able to find out anything else about that incident. My friend told me he knew some stuff and would tell me after he got out. I was supposed to meet up with him a couple of years ago, but he couldn’t make it. Turned out he was in the hospital and died of cancer shortly thereafter.
Why was MH17 flight path altered over a war zone, and why was MH17’s altitude altered. The answer to these questions tells exactly what happened and why.
And here is the killer fact that makes the JIT report nonsense, a missile cant go through the fuselage and come out the other side and explode. The cockpit photo’s clearly show 30mm cannon fire and eye witnesses gave evidence that there were Ukrainian fighter jets in the vicinity of MH17.
It was not a BUK launcher that hit MH17. It was a Ukrainian SU25 30mm cannons. It can be clearly seen on the photo’s of the cockpit which was targeted. NATO and Ukraine murdered all those aboard MH17.
The leading independent investigator of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster, has revealed breakthrough evidence of tampering and forging of prosecution materials; suppression of Ukrainian Air Force radar tapes; and lying by the Dutch, Ukrainian, US and Australian governments.
The Malaysian Government’s evidence for judging the JIT’s witness testimony, photographs, video clips, and telephone tapes have been manipulated by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), and to be inadmissible in a criminal prosecution in a Malaysian or other national or international court.
Also the Malaysian Government reveals how it got in the way of attempts the US was organizing during the first week after the crash to launch a NATO military attack on eastern Ukraine. The cover story for that was to rescue the plane, passenger bodies, and evidence of what had caused the crash. In fact, the operation was aimed at defeating the separatist movements in the Donbass, and to move against Russian-held Crimea.
It was revealed that a secret Malaysian military operation took custody of the MH17 black boxes on July 22, preventing the US and Ukraine from seizing them. The Malaysian operation, revealed by the Malaysian Army colonel who led it, eliminated the evidence for the camouflage story, reinforcing the German Government’s opposition to the armed attack, and forcing the Dutch to call off the invasion on July 27.
Tom you are right that weapon itself may not determined who fired it. That would depend on if any trackable pieces survived such as serial number or local modification. However, if a NATO AWACS were on patrol in the area, than it is likely that a radar track of the missile flight path exists.
But any involved regime claiming such evidence has a credibility problem. Unless one of the belligerents makes an admission against interest, it will probably remain unclear what actually happened.
That is not true, the Donbass did not possess BUK launchers. However the only part the BUK launchers played was to provide targeting info to the SU25’s. MH17 was in fact shot down by Ukrainian SU25.
well … here’s the thing when wars involve the biggest nuclear nation on earth … things may escalate:
“Accidents will happen
They only hit and run
You used to be a victim now you’re not the only one
Accidents will happen
They only hit and run
I don’t want to hear it cause I know what I’ve done”
It’s in all of our interests for this war to wind down asap …
We will likely never know what really happened. We will most assuredly suffer the consequences of the follow up responses to whatever really happened.
It does seem that we are one step closer from this being a Special Military Operation to this being a full scale Shock and Awe War.
Naw lots of huffing and puffing but cooler heads will prevail
Pest control in Washington and London. Simple pest control.
You exterminate the parasites who profit from this war and it ends immediately.
Unfortunately, the unrestricted free market capitalism can’t end up otherwise. When the huge wealth is concentrated in the hands of few individuals, they start to use their money for political goals. So, in the end, we have a group of parasites who own the financial system, politicians, mass media and control the state’s budget.
There is no such thing as free market in Anglo-American empire. It’s rigged, completely controlled parasitical infestation of entire socioeconomic system.
Bolsheviks were great at solving such problems. Cheap and effective. Just their name still make parasites tremble with fear 100 years later.
Every civilization has its own evolution. Everyone who had business both in Russia and UK, can say that the laws in UK are working better than in Russia and the business is much better protected by the law in UK than in Russia. Now the situation is changing little by little in favor of Russia. Essentially, English civilization is the capitalist civilization and Russian civilization is Christian civilization.
Bolshevik party was anti-Christian and anti-Russian criminal organization. Bolsheviks could succeed only with the massive help from abroad, the same as ISIS. ISIS uses Islam rhetoric for cheating people, Bolsheviks used socialist rhetoric for the cheating. Both organizations succeeded in creating the terrorist regime based upon the lies and the terror.
I don’t understand why people keep confusing civilization, federation, empire, union and culture. Civilization is a unique culture or cultures, religion or religions, with own unique language or languages. This means unique writing system, own calendar, numeric and measurement system(s). Good examples would be Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Slavic, Hindi, Persian, Arab, Japanese, Israeli. Norse and Germanic tribes have own cultures but they could not develop as distinct civilizations because of Roman imperial dominance. England is not a civilization. It’s a culture. Russia is not a civilization. It is a federation and a major part of Slavic civilization.
A civilization and culture is an ethno-genetic and a socio-cultural concept.
A federation, union and empire are political concepts.
You simply can’t have a Christian or Islamic civilization. Judeo-Christianity is of Israeli origin.
Islam is Arabic.
You are operating with the fakes created in the second half of 16th century by Catholic Vatican totalitarian regime.
First civilization appeared in Egypt. The language of the first civilization was Arab. They created the first state. Then they started the colonization of the territories around them.
Historical Rome (the town on the seven hills) is Istanbul. Italian Rome became the capital of Europe in the beginning of 16th century. In 17th century the north of Europe got the independence from Vatican and created what can be called German-Anglo-Saxon civilization which is different from the Catholic one. Though, of course there are a lot of similarities.
Whether or not this is an accident or mistake or misunderstanding it seems to be getting more complicated, which can lead to other possibilities…
A month into the war a “mysterious drone” crashed in Croatia with explosives. Accusations were thrown left and right against Russia, then some more information suggested it may have been Ukrainian. It’s been 6 months and the issue has been completely memory-holed (even in Croatia), and the “investigators” have yet to give a final opinion on who’s drone it was.
I am of the opinion it was a Ukrainian operator who didn’t know what he was doing with his new gifts from the MIC. Nordstream was the UK and the Americans. However, when it comes to this bombing attack in Poland, I’m inclined to believe it was from Russia but probably an accident, given all the article V considerations
If the wreckage is found to be that of weapons used by the Ukraine and not Russia, do you think Big Media is going to make sure everyone knows it or do you think Big Media will do its very best to cover it up? Support for the Ukraine is wavering, Russia is moving EAST, and all of a sudden Russian missiles are falling in Poland? I smell a rat, and its handlers in the Ukraine better hope they’re not found out.
Call it what it is. A degenerate, useless propaganda machine.
From the picture of impact, they are saying it’s a s-300 missile. Not Kalibr.
I really don’t see how that can be. s-300 is an anti-aircraft, anti-missile system. Defensive. The only possible explanation is was somehow rigged to be used as an offensive weapon.
Russia has been firing S-300 in a ground attack mode. Not very accurate.
I have not seen it used in such manner. Do Russians even have s-300 systems in service anymore? It’s a Soviet system. s-500 just went into mass production so I recon majority of air defense units in active service are s-400 systems.
Google Russia using s-300 in a ground attack mode.
What’s Giggle? Same crappy corp that owns that censorship tube? I use a real search engine.
Sure. You probably programmed it yourself. Boastful bullshit 2.0
I’ve seen reports of S-300s being used as surface-to-surface missiles. Whether those reports are true or not, I don’t know, but apparently they have that capability.
But perhaps it was being used for anti-aircraft purposes and electronic countermeasures sent it flying off after a fake target that turned out to be a barn in Poland.
We’ll almost certainly never know. All sides have incentives to lie, even if THEY know.
To be perfectly honest with you, I wish Russians did bomb Poland. I want to see Washington parasites with a bloody nose. But, that is a purely emotional reaction.
You’re aware that this is allegedly an anti war site?
But then again you are his (of course he’s a he) exact mirror image. Neither particularly helpful.
You insane if you want Russia to bomb Poland. Do you know what Article 5 means?
I do. It means Pentagon cowards hiding behind Europeans.
I will bet you 31 trillion dollars that these rats will not do anything to defend Europe. They are actively trying to destroy it. Or you somehow forgot terrorist attack on Nordstream pipelines?
Well you may be willing to risk a massive war on the assumption that US would do nothing, but I am sure Russia would not be that stupid. And by the way, Polish F-16s are very capable of hitting back if Poland was attacked.
If the US does anything it is probably trying to hold the Poles back.
There wont be a massive war. It will be over in 15 minutes. Russia have complete nuclear superiority.
LOL 14 Ohio class submarines tell me otherwise.
You mean antiques from 1981? Do they come with 8-track players? Outdated Akula class boomers are superior and Russian have Borei boomers/hunter-killers subs in active service.
Seriously, your tridents versus hypersonic missiles. No contest.
There is no such thing. The problem comes with the fact that as you demonstrate here that, sad as that may be, there exist some people so powerfully confused they actually are able to hold that thought in their heads. In my opinion these sort of people should not in any capacity be enabled to insert themselves in any decision-making process on any level above the local playground association and preferably not even there.
I suspect it was a targeting mistake since the reports indicate multiple missiles were used. If a single missile was involved than it could have been a missile malfunction or a missile hit by anti aircraft/missile fire.
As for the Russian claim, if they made a mistake they were never admit it. The Russian commanders involved in the missile firing are not going to report to their mistake. They will cover it up.
A rare reply to myself. According to ABC news it was a single missile. If that is the case than if could have been a malfunctioning missile or a missile hit by defensive anti-missile fire.
Ha! The AP headline, as of a few minutes ago, reads:
Very clever, these propagandists. Well, they’re at least clever enough to fool most of the target audience most of the time.
And the information was provided not by one, not by two, but by three anonymous officials. So, obviously it must be true.
Ooops, I misspoke. Those three officials said it was a Ukrainian missile shooting at incoming Russian missiles. My bad.
“Russia Denies Reports That Its Missiles Crossed Into Poland The Pentagon says it cannot corroborate that Russian missiles hit Poland”
Ukraine has a vested interest in false flag operations and stoking the fires of World War 3. Ukrainian Polish Lithuanians are the most evil people on earth.
The Polish are almost as insane as the Ukrainian Polish Lithuanians. Adult diaper wearing senile Joey Biden has embroiled the US, UK, and EU in a tribal war between Catholic Polish Lithuanians and Orthodox Russian and Slavic people.
lol if the missile didn’t hit Poland it soon will. It is my opinion that the troops in Belarus are not there to attack Kiev, i believe that they are there to attack Warsaw, time will tell. If i am correct there will be a point where Russia starts to soften them up for an invasion. Time will tell,
I think Putin now has got the message. Well i hope he has. However i note he has been negotiating with the US again, is he mentally retarded? The US is not agreement capable, so Putin is going to negotiate a ceasefire that of course the West will break, they know when they sign thses things they will break them.
The ceasefire will allow the West to retrain and rearm the Banderites and we will be back to where we were a year ago.
Why would Kremlin attack Warsaw? Or any left European capital for that matter when the parasites pulling the string are in Washington and London? Their defense minister openly said that first targets for a nuclear strike are Washington and London.
Personally, I don’t want these cities destroyed. I don’t care much for English architecture, it’s dark but Washington DC is very pretty. All Kremlin need to do is simple pest control. You don’t need nukes for that. It’s like trying to kill few cockroaches with a shotgun. Few Spetsnaz teams with sniper rifles can do the job.
“The ceasefire will allow the West to retrain and rearm the Banderites and we will be back to where we were a year ago.”
The alternative is a fast – forward to the final countdown.
Welcome to the eternal Sunshine.
On 19 September 2014, “Russia’s Leader Putin Rejected Ukrainian Separatists’ Aim to Become Part of Russia,”, “The leader of the Ukrainian separatists says that their efforts to get Russia’s President Vladimir Putin to accept their territory as being a part of Russia have been firmly rejected by Putin’s government; and, so, ‘We will build our own country.’”
And, ever since then, Putin has been very clear in all of his communications with Merkel and other foreign leaders, that Russia would not accept that region as being a part of Russia. He also made clear his reason: He wants the people in that region — who had voted 90%+ for a neutralist person, Yanukovych, to lead Ukraine — to remain within Ukraine’s electorate, so as to provide the necessary moderating element and counterbalance to the rabidly anti-Russian racists that were placed into power in Ukraine by Obama’s February 2014 coup.
In other words: not only is the Ukrainian government not at war with the Russian government, but Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin, was doing everything he could to prevent such a war from occurring.
Now that the Russia’s leader, Vladimir Putin has accepted the Donbass into Russia this signals a big change in Moscow’s position. It means that Moscow is now preparing for war with NATO and the West.
This is a good bit of historical trivia to put things into perspective.
It is not historical trivia……Putin had already declined the Wests offer to take the Donbass. Here is why……in the Donbass they hold the balance of power in Ukraine. The Donbass region is why a pro Russian government was in power.
Putin promoted the Minsk accords as a means of keeping the Donbass part of Ukraine.
This is why the Nazi’s in the West for over 8 years attempted to ethnically cleanse the Donbass. While the Donbass stayed in Ukraine and ethnically Russian then the government would be pro Russian. Genocide of ethnic Russians was the solution and Nazi’s were the muscle to achieve it. The US Rand corporation documented the process prior to the events, complete with concentration and re-education camps. Genocide and ethnic cleansing were being used as a means to control the ballet box.
Moscow now accepts that there will be no moderating force in Ukraine.
West’s offer? West is a direction on a compass. Ya know, like North, South and East.
If you mean Anglo-American empire “offered” Donbass, that sounds even more ridiculous. These parasites mean less than nothing in Rus lands.
As for terrorists killing civilians in Donbass and Kremlin trying to negotiate peace, yeah. 9 years of pure terror… When American merks started the war in Ukraine, all political crap went out of the window in Donbass. The people there want to make ballot boxes out of terrorists in Washington and London and stuff them full of lead votes.
here is the very bottom line = The Pentagon says it cannot corroborate that Russian missiles hit Poland
and that my friends, is uncle sam code for “a russian missile did not hit poland”
which brings us to one possibility is that it was Ukrainian air defenses that misfired.
“misfired”, sure thing Zel.
Ukraine isn’t capable of making independent military decisions. It’s a vassal state of Anglo-American empire. The rats who ordered the strike are in Washington or London.
Today the Russian MOD struck the Ukrainian MOD in Kiev, ie they are now going after the decision making infrastructure. The gloves are off as they should be. Warsaw of course is a major decision making center.
CNN just got kicked out of Ukraine……..because they showed a news item in Kherson where Ukrainian civilians were giving the Nazi salute to soldiers. Ukraine is a Nazi infested Military dictatorship.
Good, not that I believe them, but nice that they have figured out that extra conflict isn’t in their interest
It is rarely written that there was a time, not too long ago, when Ukrainians were trying to kill one another with cannon shots.
People speaking Polish are regularly heard on radio chatter at the eastern front of Ukraine. That suggests, but does not prove, that Poland is actively involved in the battles there, and may partially explain how Ukraine was able to put so many soldiers in the field during the counter-offensive in the Kharkiv area last month. Poland has also been actively involved in smuggling NATO weapons into Ukraine. So, is comes as no surprise that Poland is “chewing at the bit” to drag NATO into direct conflict with Russia inside Ukraine.
Yesterday, Moldova reported that the destruction of Ukraine’s electrical grid is causing severe shortages there. It is not clear if this is the result of damage to the facilities interconnecting the two countries, or a deliberate act by Ukraine to conserve its remaining power. But Poland is also interconnected with Ukraine, and may be experiencing shortages as well. That’s going to dampen the mood of the Polish people, and gives Poland all the more reason to look for ways to expand this conflict.
Fortunately, Biden isn’t ready to do that.
“Poland has also been actively involved in smuggling NATO weapons into Ukraine.”
“Smuggling” weapons refers to moving them without government approval. Presumably both the Polish and Ukrainian regimes approved of the movement.
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