The US has accelerated plans to deploy an upgraded version of its primary nuclear gravity bomb to Europe amid heightened tensions with Russia over the potential use of nuclear weapons.
A cable obtained by Politico reveals that US officials told NATO allies in Brussels this month that they will send an upgraded version of the B61 air-dropped gravity bomb to Europe by December. The upgraded bomb was originally set to arrive in Europe next spring.
The plan involves replacing older weapons with upgraded bombs at US storage facilities in Europe. The US keeps about 100 nuclear warheads at air bases in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, and Turkey.
The upgrade to the B61-12 replaces non-nuclear components to make it more accurate. The upgrade is also designed so it can be carried by all US and allied bombers and fighter jets, unlike older versions of the bomb.
Accelerating the deployment of the upgraded nukes amid the current tensions would do little but stoke tensions with Moscow. Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, described the plan as “odd.”
“They have been saying we don’t respond to this situation with nuclear weapons. I don’t think they want to go down that one,” Kristensen told Politico.
The revelation of the plan comes as both Russia and NATO are conducting nuclear exercises. President Biden recently said the risk of nuclear “armageddon” is at its highest since the end of the Cold War, but his administration has shown no interest in pursuing diplomacy to end the war in Ukraine or ease tensions with Moscow.
American oligarchy needs the escalation because the situation is progressively changing in favor of Russia and China.
The detailed plan of dirty nuclear devise false flag provocation was published yesterday. This provocation is aimed to convince EU public of necessity of American nukes deployment in EU countries.
Apres les deluge.
The EU public know that Europe will be the battle field yet say nothing , altho i have read there are anti NATO demonstration`s taking place all over Europe but arn`t being reported for obvious reasons .
Of course, people are suspecting that something go wrong. The adventurism of NATO hawks and the mismanagement of European governments are too obvious. Maybe they wouldn’t mind support Kiev regime, but the price is too high.
“demonstration`s taking place all over Europe ” Five persons holding a protest sign is not going to make the news.
Europe has many medium and small sized towns with demonstrations, they don’t all have to demonstrate in Paris or Berlin. For now it is just the beginning.
The demonstrations going on in Europe are for (1) Climate change, (2) reducing the fossil fuel usage and (3) support for Iran demonstrators. There are no demonstrations supporting Russia attack on Ukraine.
You made me laugh Mr. Cynical!
“US Accelerates Plan to Deploy Upgraded Nukes to Europe The US wants to replace its nuclear bombs in Europe with an updated version of the B61-12 on a faster timeline”
Stupid Europeans fail to consider that the battlefield is in their own countries and their citizens will die of radiation poisoning first!
They are not stupid, they do know, that makes it all so much scarier. Add a senile president and the fact that no one knows who pulls the strings on Biden.
I agree, they do know but still I can’t exactly put my finger on it. Calling them “stupid” may be an insult to the stupids.
The US has the same problem of people voting against their own medical care, education, environment and social security.
Meanwhile plastic molecules are in mother’s milk and floating around with our protein molecules.
As a young man I had complete dictatorial power in a fairly large money losing corporation. It turned around when I invented corporate democracy. I’ve been attempting to tell people about that since 1968. my impression is people think I want to be a dictator.
I have no wish to appear cynical Garrett but, it seems to me, there are many benefits to being a dictator: the coffee is better and all you have to do is push buttons, to get things done…
Donna, if you were the dictator, I’d happily live under your rule ! 😊
Yes, yes, and the Diet Coke, with ice and a straw, is there instantly.
Perks!
The crowning of it all is the manipulation of the public opinion by a very sophisticated Main Stream Media with the NYT, WP, and WSJ in the lead. Goebbels must turn in his grave for envy.
I couldn’t take all the cloying (ass-kissing) behavior and lack of privacy.
I appreciate your concerns ED but those things come with the job….
Well, no dictatorship for me!
It’s just as well ED, you are good and honest person. 🙂
Thanks Donna, you too.
You could get some proxies to do it for you.
When those at the top of a corporation listen to the workers at the bottom things improve. The CEO reads reports, he/she is not on the production line.
–“The US has the same problem of people voting against their own medical care, education, environment and social security.”
Voting against those things? Or voting against giving the power for running those things to corrupt and incompetent politicians and bureaucrats?
Maybe lack of character, corruption and lunacy combined could do it? But all, like UK, USA, France, and Germany alone is incomprehensible.
Orban and Erdogan and Moline are the only heads of state with a brain? How can there be such a total government breakdown and failure in so many countries at one time? Is Big Money the real dictator, the deep state, or not?
In the American congress with several hundred members not one dissenting voice, not one has the decency, the character to call the lies what they are, lie?
Haha, I agree with a lot of what you said, but I’m not sure about Erdogan. He supported the destruction of Syria. That’s hard to forgive. He’s got a lot of blood on his hands.
I am sure he does, but like Trump even he some times told the truth, even Erdogan is sometimes right.
Well Renate, I’d guess it would be the Blinkin’ Idiot and the Kagans.
Cookies, anyone?
We have such wonderful women on this site, myself included, of course, it warms my heart….I’d like a cookie…
Donna, how about I bake up a batch of my famously delicious peanut butter cookies today?
The rest we can distribute to the Russian troops 😉
You have such a good heart Gypsy! 😉
As do YOU, Donna!
We kind of rock, don’t we? 😁
Of course we do!!! We rock for PEACE!
Right on GF!
I just made some oatmeal cookies. My cookies have a magic ingredient. Funny, I get more hungry AFTER I eat them.
Okay WRU:
You don’t get off the hook that easily… At least give us a hint as to what the secret ingredient is?….. Forgive my ignorance (if that is what it is) but would your secret ingredient happen to be a leafy type substance?…
I don’t use the leaf part of the plant Donna. Just the flower tops. But I’m thinking you are thinking about the right plant.
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Wars, I can’t handle it anymore…the last time I smoked some of your secret ingredient, I flopped over onto the kitchen counter and just Couldn’t. Get. Up. I had to call for help 😣
Raisins or chocolate chips?
They could be fronting the corporate dictatorship in charge of it all?
They must be well financed.
Enough stuff for lots of crime novels and the Deep State.
They know this but don`t have the guts to tell the Americans to get stuffed and take all your war toy`s back to the US , NATO is already putting out the propaganda that they are the innocent party , altho anyone with a brain knows that NATO is the problem not the solution .
They are occupied by US military bases.
Feels like a bad idea, now every plane coming at you can be nuclear? Back in the SALT days they counted launchers rather than bombs as those were easier to keep track of. We don’t need to make the Russians unnecessarily nervous.
Just a little nervous? I’m sure with the extraordinary talent Biden’s team has on hand, the Russians can be securely managed right into complete surrender with nary a whimper. We will secure their nuclear arsenal, sell off their assets and Joe will put another feather in his cap by paying off our national debt from the proceeds. My what a grand world there will be for the greatest country on Earth! God Bless the United States of America!
If I am right these maybe the last free elections anywhere {sic} for a long time or forever.
The West is moving to a totalitarian system. It became clear three years ago when they arrested Assange. As we know, Assange is guilty of exposing war crimes of American militaries.
The west is already made up of classic totalitarian governments posing as democracies. This government form is required in order to keep growing to infinity on a finite planet.
The EU is a Dictatorship , none of those who run the EU are elected , the EU Parliament is a joke and is there just to rubber stamp what ever drops on their desk.
The USA is really in charge, the UK used to take care of that as the US proxy, Germany is still occupied with some 30K occupational USA/NATO boots on the ground. They would be used against the German people in case of opposition to the vassal government.
You have the picture Renate Littlejohn; Now how are we little people going to evolve socially without US troops quelling what will be called internal enemies of the kind and benevolent state?
I have my ideas but there have been few takers over the years. How do you think we can stop putting blue toilet bowl cleaner through the sewer system and then into the river upstream from the next town’s drinking water intake? For example.
If only we had a magic wand. But maybe if we cut wages and benefits we could get better public servants in place of the ambitious greedy people only high paychecks and big benefits attract.
Any improvement would be appreciated. In time people have enough and they turn to the streets. People can take a lot before they say enough is enough, then it could get bloody.
EU bureaucracy is subordinate to American oligarchy.
In totalitarian system there is only one center of power. They use NSA spying system to look after the vassals. The vassals know that they are surveyed, but they can change nothing.
Isn’t it wonderful?! TOTALITARIANISM!
You know what that means? Revolution cannot be far behind…
Totalitarian system is introduced when the ruling elite can’t keep the control over the people by democratic methods. The total control over the people allows them to crash any political movement which hypothetically can challenge their unlimited power.
We already do have a corporate dictatorship, the so-called democracy is just a vail to make it look better.
Just think Secretary of Defense Austin came straight from the Raytheon board of Directors through the revolving door back to the government.
He is there to serve the MIC and his pockets and not the nation. At no time does he talk about the national needs that I know of, only the NEEDS of the MIC.
That is true, but still the people in EU and US have certain freedoms. As the economic situation deteriorates, more repressive methods would be introduced.
Any examples of the repressive methods?….
I very much agree Mikhailovich, you seem such an expert… Are you a poly-sci teacher?
I appreciate your extended definition and participation but which side of the fence are you on?…
I am Christian. I am for the truth and for the justice. In my opinion, the worst thing what now happens in The West is the total disinformation and shameless lies. Politicians don’t talk about the real problems; they are lying the same as the corporate mass media.
Fair enough…
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I detect some healthy cynicism OB?…
“now every plane coming at you can be nuclear” That is the idea.
I can see why that “feels” like an advantage to the conventional military mind, but if you put your opponent into the “use it or lose it” state of mind that can backfire badly.
Yes, that is always a risk. However, any jet both military and commercial could be rigged to carry a nuclear bomb with easy, so the threat has not really changed. Changing the bombs to fit on the newer racks is not a real game changer. Of course, as we have seen in the current war, there are some really stupid Russian generals so your concern is valid.
Speeding toward nuclear armageddon.
It’s a tough Job but someone has to do it….
And only an insane mind could do it, we do have that. We do have that, our officials are the lunatics from the Washington DC asylum with the Pentagon included, it is a huge insane asylum.
I shall be very surprised if the incompetents in the white house don’t trigger a major conflagration in Europe. At this point, I see no other outcome because I believe that Biden is completely obsessed – beyond all reason – with going down in history as the man who destroyed the Russian state – no matter the cost. Insanity.
…and the last American President.
Surely, there is an upside?….
Old bear, I get you don’t like Biden and that is OK. You need to convince your buddy in Moscow that his continuing war in Ukraine is a major part of the problem. Biden would not be able to get European support or money from the US Congress if Russia would stop the war.
You are missing the point, Biden was active in starting this war when Obama/Biden and Nuland organized and funded the Maidan Regime change. Nuland was treating the neo-Nazis with chocolate chip cookies, in support of the neo-Nazis, did you for get that?
Russians reached out to stop the war, Biden refuses, he wants Navalny first in Putin’s chair, our boy, which they groomed for the job some years ago.
You may be right, but it does not matter. What matters is that NATO and US Congress does not buy Russian excuse for invading Ukraine. So again it is up to Russia to stop the war and Russia can do that without the aid of Washington.
Of course they don’t. They want this war. They need this war. Having Russia a part of the Western Alliance would be so boring. What will the MIC, and its offshoot in NATO countries do?
Russia has been trying to get the U.S to negotiate an end. Kiev? Has no say. Witness Boris stopping negotiations in April (while the UK planned the Nord Stream operations).
Lazy ad hominem that Bear is friends with the Kremlin, and really stale.
Uh, the US and EU started pouring money into Ukraine in 2013 and probably before then. Color revolutions aren’t cheap. BEFORE the Russian involvement.
After the 2014, the US and NATO Poured money AND arms into Ukraine. Gobs of that money was used to shell civilians in Donbas. But it would help if NATO would stop it’s war against Russians.
The US has been supporting ethnic conflicts including ethnic cleansing for decades. That needs to stop if this world is to become more peaceful.
As you say, he is obsessed and also totally possessed by the old Bush NEOCONS and Russophobes. He is just a senile old war hawk with signature power.
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Jolly good idea. Profitable upgrade and its not like we won’t use em’ right kiddies?
Oh President Bye-Done, you seem to be so confused… Have a nice cup of tea and settle down, then find a dictionary and look up the word: ARMAGEDDON.
The look up the word: DIPLOMACY. Implement good diplomacy and you may be able to avert Armageddon.
Donna, he suffers advancing dementia, he can’t find his way out of a paper bag. Neocons run the horrible show for him
Neocons have been running DC foreign policy for decades. DC has been pro intervention and pro war for as long as I can remember.
The new nukes that will be deployed have a wonderful new application: they talk! When the first nuke goes off, it says: “Qfa (or f-u)!
This is just minor adjustment to the weapons. The parachute system will be replaced with a more accurate fin system. Also the bomb attachment system will be changed to be computable with the bomb racks on newer jets. So why make a big deal about it? Just a friendly reminder to Russia that them going nuclear is not a good idea.
Wrong, troll, it’s a first strike upgrade. See below.
First if you disagree with me why the insult? Did it make you feel better? Tell me how changing the guidance system and allowing it be added to more planes make changes it to a first strike weapon.
I’m trying to get in all my name calling before the flash.
You’re either a paid troll or you’re being ignorant on your own time. And you wouldn’t understand changes to the guidance system but you should be able to grasp that increasing the accuracy of a weapon enhances its first strike capability against hard targets, as does delivering it with stealth aircraft.
Gravity bombs aren’t very likely first-strike weapons. And making them from non-first-strike weapons into first-strike weapons would be about upgrading aircraft that carry the bombs, not about upgrading the bombs.
The purpose of the “upgrade” is to transfer $11 billion from taxpayers’ pockets to Consolidated Nuclear Security, LLC’s bank accounts.
Well, yes, the principal mission of any US weapon system is making money, but lowering the CEP of the B61-12 is clearly intended to enhance its first strike capability, and loading them into the weapons bays of existing stealth aircraft makes the threat quite real, particularly for starry eyed sociopaths. Plus the jet jockeys get to do their stuff. I expect it’s got a case color.
The key to first strike capability is speed/surprise
From the time of order to attack, existing stealth aircraft would still be on the runway by the time a mushroom cloud was rising from the target hit by a missile.
The stealth aircraft would be the first things in the air following an attack order and the godless commies wouldn’t have any missile flash warning to launch on. Plus it’s sneaky- it may not actually work operationally but it works on an emotional level.
In today’s intelligence, there’s no such thing as surprise anymore. Both sides know what the other will do long before it happens.
Politicians don’t think on a “long” time scale, and Biden may not know from one minute to the next what he’s going to do. And he’s got launch codes within arms reach 24/7. Your comfort is misplaced.
Not comfort here. W hen both sides know what the other will do, or even suspects what it may do, miscalculation can result.
Yup. And it would take a lot of upgrading of those aircraft to make relying on them to evade Russian air defense systems to deliver dumb bombs a good idea.
“Good idea” kind of invalidates your analysis, but current US stealth aircraft have sufficient range and payload and are certainly expensive enough, and the B61-12 is in fact terminally guided.
Operational security is also an important element.
For silo or naval missile launches, the chain of command is pretty direct, and the involved personal fairly well out of instant communication with others. The orders are given the missiles launch.
Aircraft delivery from ground bases means a whole lot of people — from the ordnance crews prepping the bombs to the aircraft crews to the air traffic controllers — being in a position to intentionally or inadvertently leak information via phone, etc.
I didn’t say it was a good idea, but that’s hardly a reason to assume they won’t do it. And your OpSec problem is their OpSec challenge, nay opportunity. Disperse the assets, lockdown personnel, go to DEFCON SuperX, blah blah blah. They eat that stuff up. Secrecy is their crack.
“Accelerating the deployment of the upgraded nukes amid the current tensions would do little but stoke tensions with Moscow.”
Just a continuation of the previous 30 years’ worth of provocations. But this, like the others, will be blamed on Russian aggression.
Jamie Raskin, one of the House Progressives who wrote the letter that supported war against Russia but maybe with some diplomacy:
Laughable then to hear some people bleat that “Ukraine is nazi!” No, the Azov Battalion is, not the president, his cabinet, or the Senate. All of which are financed by the socialist Biden, and supported by every socialist party in the West. “This war is ultimately about LGBTQ rights!”
On the plus side maybe it can’t get any weirder. Though don’t quote me.
Anyone who thinks Biden, “the senator from MBNA,” is a socialist, and who also minimizes the extent and degree of Nazi and related extremists in the puppet government of Ukraine can’t be taken seriously in this discussion.
It warms my heart that the US is so attentive and considerate, when it comes to deploying its nuclear assets… https://media4.giphy.com/media/TlAzBHRbqCtA4/giphy.gif
“The upgrade to the B61-12 replaces non-nuclear components to make it more accurate.” Like accuracy of non-nuclear components is the problem.
European intellectuals/environmentalists, do you feel safer with more “accurate” nukes?
The idea is to make them accurate enough to destroy hardened nuclear sites in order to give the US a first strike capability to neutralize the Russian nuclear arsenal. Biden may not have sufficient cognitive function left to understand this won’t work … though if you forward deploy your air assets and maximalize your stealth capabilities ….. hm. Hm. Well, only one way to find out. Nuclear combat toe to toe with the Russkies! And it’s either that or just sit and wait for their dirty bombs to get us, which would make the Democrats look weak on defense. So yeah, we really might be screwed here. Dang.
You gave me a chuckle, Mr. Christian…
I expect the B61-12 gets its claimed 30m CEP from articulated tail fins guided off a target relative inertial state initialized in terminal phase by the carrier aircraft. I doubt there’s a single politician in Washington who understands that. The deep state technocrats can tell them whatever they want. Their fear of DC being vaporized may be the only thing keeping most of us alive. If they start to leave the red flag needs to go up.
If these fearsome weapons are deployed and not destroyed they will be used and probably end life on our only planet
I’m not a fan of nuclear weapons. But tell me Wendell how do you get rid of them in world where countries have no problems with attacking other countries for what ever reason?
Psst, guess which country attacks others for no reason.
Does it matter? No. What matters is that right or wrongly countries feel safer with nuckes.
Yes it does. Feeling safe with nukes is about the most Orwellian thing you could say
Start by cutting the military budget. The USA has more than enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet several times over. We only need modernization to satisfy the avarice of the MIC and our corrupt government elected officials. That is the only part of their job they take seriously. Greed on steroids.
Well given what we have seen in last few years, I don’t want the US to rely solely on nuclear weapons for protection.
What about simply good government? I will not vote in Nov. because we have only scumbags to vote for.
What is this nation doing in Ukraine, no NATO nation was threatened, Ukraine is not a NATO nation, why did NATO arm and train Ukrainians, no one threatened the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian people were not interested in becoming NATO members, only the neo-Nazis of the most corrupt government wanted it. Neither Bush nor Obama/Biden had any business in Ukraine, only against Russia for control of Russian resources. And for that our deranged bipartisan government will annihilate Europe and Russia.
Who has threatened the USA or any other NATO state, why are the Americans going after China NOW, what has China done to the USA? How do we justify all the sanctions we impose and what for? Why did the USA destroy the ME, NOTHING BUT SCORTCHED EARTH LEFT. That is why the world hates you and why they turn against you.
May I suggest you read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”
by William L. Shirer. After reading the book, you may still not agree with the US doing, but you will understand from history point of view why the West feels Putin has to be stop now.
I suggest you recommend the book to Biden and Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland and the Kagans and all the other neocons in state. They need it, they do suffer delusions of grandeur. Not that I think the book would help, they don’t read books the way I see it.
I think they have read the book and they do see the parallels. Have you read the book?
I doubt it, if they did they did not learn a damn thing.
I doubt it, if they did they did not learn a damn thing.
Blinken has a first class education, but it is only book knowledge.
So you trust muscle power over brain?
I trust smart brain over blind muscle power.
The USA is number 1 in attacking other countries under pretexts. It goes back a long time. Well over a century. “Remember the Maine ” comes to mind.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/us-gets-a-nasty-surprise-in-ukraine/
US gets a nasty surprise in Ukraine.
More I’ll avised talk and action…
I wonder if those who invested in death, destruction, and misery will ever think about what they have done.
Well said Mercurious!
Well we know Putin does not.
Strange, I got banned, but now here I am. I don’t know why, since I agree with all the articles here. Anyway, it was ‘Fuzzy Bear’ who banned me. So, now I’ll just comment that nuclear war is inevitable, and it is being planned as this article indicates.
No, it wasn’t “Fuzzy Bear” who banned you. It was me. I’m a moderator here. “Fuzzy Bear” isn’t.
The reason you were banned was stated in a note in the comment that finally got you banned — you refused to stop Jew-baiting, and we don’t allow that on our site.
Freedom of speech means what?
Freedom of speech means you can say anything you want.
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean anyone else has to let you use their microphone to say it.
Tom thanks for the good attempt to explain “freedom of speech”. Some people will never understand boundaries. I seen a recent example where a person at restaurant made some very rude remarks to the waiter. That was his right. The restaurant also had the right to “kick” the customer out. Which the management did do and the others customers cheered his removal. So don’t be afraid to ban anyone (including me) who violates the standards of this site.
Thanks for your support.
I don’t like banning people. I accepted this job more than a decade ago because nobody else wanted it and if I didn’t take it, commenting on the site would have just been eliminated. I like having commenting here.
Your second statement negates the first. You do NOT allow freedom of speech. This is fascism pure and simple.
Freedom of speech is not something I have the power to “allow” or “not allow.”
All I control (on behalf of Antiwar.com) is whether you get to comment here.
I also control whether you get to come to my living room at 3am and sing a drunken round of Auld Lang Syne. And that has nothing to do with your freedom of speech either.
No one lives here, what a bunch of nonsense. As long as you accept democracy and free speech is corporate controlled, ie fascist.
This web site belongs to an organization. That organization has standards for its use. There are other web sites with different standards. If you don’t like those sites’ standards for using their stuff, you can start your own web site. You’re free to say whatever you like. You’re not free to use other people’s stuff to say it if they don’t want their stuff used that way. Just like I’m not free to crash on your couch or cadge beer out of your refrigerator unless you allow me to.
I understand that, i am pointing out that free speech and democracy is not part of the standards……maybe it should be?
In the US, it is government that is legally prohibited from restricting speech, obviously with exceptions. That’s a good thing. Without our First Amendment, we might see scary craziness such as has just happened in Germany: An individual was fined the equivalent of $4K for driving around with a paper sign bearing the letter “Z” in his car window. The court ruled that he was promoting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and that is illegal speech.
On the other hand, neither here nor, as far as I know, anywhere else on this planet are private individuals or entities required to permit any and all speech on their premises, virtual or brick-and-mortar, and very, very few do. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would expect anything else.
I think the advice Thomas gave above is perfectly reasonable. Those who want to say things that the site operators don’t want to permit should say them elsewhere.
See here is the problem…..The court ruled that he was promoting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and that is illegal speech.
That statement alone is a lie. And people in a democracy need to be able to dispute narratives in discussion.
Again i repeat when corporates and Governments collude to silence dissent its fascism.
Well, we could call that collusion “fascistic,” but more than that would be necessary to decide that overall environment constitutes fascism.
I imagine that the guy actually was showing his support for the invasion (he claimed otherwise but not convincingly). In the US, that would be legally-permissible speech, except perhaps in time of declared war. It would probably get you deplatformed and denounced nearly everywhere, but it wouldn’t get you fined.
Yes, people need to be able to dispute narratives, and yes, it is disturbing and dangerous that the dominant social media sites are acting as guardians and enforcers of the official narrative. But that does not mean that a site should be required to, e.g., permit posters to engage in racial, ethnic or other slurs.
There are laws of libel and defamation. What you are proposing is to silence dissent. Fascism.
“But that does not mean that a site should be required to, e.g., permit posters to engage in racial, ethnic or other slurs.”
Who decides what is and isnt within this definition? Corporate controllers? again fascism.
The answer to bad speech is corporate censorship…..its more good speech.
There are laws of libel and defamation. What you are proposing is to silence dissent. Fascism.
“But that does not mean that a site should be required to, e.g., permit posters to engage in racial, ethnic or other slurs.”
Who decides what is and isnt within this definition? Corporate controllers? again fascism.
The answer to bad speech is not corporate censorship…..its more good speech.
You’re being silly.
For each site, the people who run the site decide. Of course.
That is exactly my point. Then we have no free speech. We have fascism. Nuremberg covered all this, it led to the death of 6 million Jews.
So when you virtue signal and censor around supposed “Jew-baiting” as Thomas put it, you in fact hurt the Jewish people in many other ways. Historically fascism destroyed Europe you would now have fascism destroy America?
I personally would like to correct the record where any anti semitism occurs, but here is the rub Anti Zionism i am all for. Zionism has led to the death of millions.
This site conflates Zionism with Semitism. Historically those who spoke out against the death of millions of Jews got silenced by corporations too.
“This site conflates Zionism with Semitism”
You have that exactly backward.
You can — and many commenters do — criticize Zionism all day long here.
You can’t — it will get you banned — purvey ethnic slurs against Semites (Arab or Jewish) or any other ethnic groups here.
You don’t have to like the fact that someone other than you owns this site and gets to decide how it may or may not be used. That’s how it is whether you like it or not.
“This site conflates Zionism with Semitism”
You have that exactly backward.
You can — and many commenters do — criticize Zionism all day long here.
You can’t — it will get you banned — purvey ethnic slurs against Semites (Arab or Jewish) or any other ethnic groups here.
You don’t have to like the fact that someone other than you owns this site and gets to decide how it may or may not be used. That’s how it is whether you like it or not.
There is so much to criticise. The entire Zionist project is a crime against humanity. I would of thought that the holocaust would of taught us more. I simply point out thats its just a different target ethnicity.
PS Thomas…..did you go to bat for me to get the above post ok’d?
In most cases, I don’t have to “go to bat.” I simply make the decision. There are other people with moderation abilities, but I’m the only one who exercises them as a matter of job description. Occasionally, one of my decisions to ban someone will get appealed. Occasionally, one of my decisions to NOT ban someone will be overruled.
My concern is that your standards dont include free speech, but presumably include revenue creation. Hence if revenue is involved then censorship kicks in. Hence i say the publication is fascist. To call this site Antiwar is a joke.
Your “concern” is that you don’t get to use other people’s stuff any way you like without their permission.
And you’re free to be “concerned” about it all you like, but it’s not likely to change.
Its your world boss.
“Who decides what is and isnt within this definition?”
I do — and you can appeal to the people who hired me to make those decisions if you disagree with my decisions.
I understand this. My point is that you should have in your standards free speech. Its kind of fundamental to decent conversations. To democracy. I understand that a corporation is not a democracy. Its a fascist authoritarian means of making money.
How exactly was it an invasion? The civil war started in 2014, 15,000 civilians in the Donbass were slaughtered. The Donbass held a plebiscite and declared independence, all within international law and the UN charter. Russia intervened to protect them from genocide. The Nazi’s in Ukraine kept killing the people of the Donbass so Russia annexed the regions and brought them into the Federation.
The point of censorship is to ensure one narrative only is disseminated. This is why censorship is really really bad.
“The point of censorship is to ensure one narrative only is disseminated. This is why censorship is really really bad” – You are right. Thats how the brainwashing is working. First, they create a dogma; then, they take care that no one can question it. Thus, a dogma based upon lies is accepted as the ultimate truth and anyone who dares to disagree with it publicly, is punished.
It was an invasion because it perfectly fits one of the common definitions of the word “invade.”
“to enter (a place, such as a foreign country)” in order to take control by military force” – that is exactly what Kiev regime has done. They invaded Donbass republics (which proclaimed the independence) by military force. No one in The West called this invasion. According to their logic, invasion or not invasion should be decided in Washington.
You see my point though, according to international law its not an invasion. However the corporate controllers have dictated it is an invasion. This needs to be discussed in a democracy, or we are living in a fascist dictatorship.
The Russian troops did not invade the Donbass, the truth is that the Nazi’s from Kiev invaded the Donbass and held territory only through unmitigated brutality against local populations.
What’s your source for “15,000 civilians slaughtered”?
I believe I’ve already pointed out to you that freedom of speech applies to government actions only. You seem very confused last time and I believe it was a rather lengthy post.
Freedom of speech, in America, means that you cannot be prosecuted for what you say, with a very few exceptions.
It does not apply to private corporations. You can’t walk into someone else’s store and put signs on the windows they disagree with or shout things they disagree with, or else you will likely be asked to leave. And that will NOT be in any way a violation of your right to free speech.
But, it’s a double standard, isn’t it? You allow others to bait Russians, Ukrainians and Iranians. But, forgive me for criticizing Jews. But, you also said it’s ok to mention Israel and Zionism, so I’ll stick to that, but aren’t they also Jewish?
No, we do not permit others to post ethnic slurs concerning Russians, Ukrainians, Iranians, Palestinians, or any other ethnic group.
Some Israelis are Jews, some aren’t. Some Zionists are Jews, some aren’t. Criticizing a regime or a political philosophy isn’t an ethnic slur.
Supposed a political philosophy goes down religious lines like ISIS which is both religion and political? Do you want a debate with me? I’m not being snotty, I’m just adding reason to the debate and eliminating double standards, that’s all.
I’m not especially interested in a debate on the site’s guidelines. I’m paid to enforce them, not debate them. If you think I’m not enforcing them correctly, feel free to complain to akeaton at antiwar dot com.
OK, you have the power, not me. But, I think we’re all just preaching to the choir here. We all know the problems, but what’s the solution? Any ideas?
We work on it.
So, what do we do? Dissent is being squashed at even Disqus today and other sites have discontinued their forums. The Hill is the best example. They were soooo anti-Trump and actually believed the Dems. would save America, but looks like America went from the ‘frying pan into the fire’ when the Dems. took over. So, what did they do? when the issues and narratives they supported began crumbling, they stopped allowing comments. Also, remember the famous quote from Voltaire, “To learn who rules over you, simply look to those you cannot criticize.” And, some now are even saying Voltaire never said that to further stifle dissent. We are living in very perilous times and WWIII is coming unless Wash. turns it’s policy around very quickly.
Lily, thanks for saying it. Did you see the two incidents were Jeffery Sachs was stopped in the middle of his sentence to say anything critical. It is the same in Europe, all news is coordinated. Mick Wallace, an Irish MP, called it the” total collapse of dissent”. A letter some 30 progressives withdrew because they went too far when all they did was to ask for diplomacy to help end the annihilation of Ukraine and Europe but Biden is doing all he can to make it happen. Russia does not want to destroy Europe, Russians are Europeans. The American corporate elite want Europe and Russia destroyed, and they want the Russian natural resources. Only Russia can save Europe, they need Putin to save Europe.
If we are lucky and the planet survives the Lunatic US/NATO GOVERNMENTS Russia, China and Europe may be able to rebuild the world and they can say “never again” if anything is left standing, as the generations after WW II said and to a large extent they did make a better world which our demented leaders now do all they can to destroy.
Well said, as usual, sister! Just don’t mention you know who or you’re banned now throughout Disqus.
Lily, thanks for saying it. Did you see the two incidents were Jeffery Sachs was stopped in the middle of his sentence to say anything critical. It is the same in Europe, all news is coordinated. Mick Wallace, an Irish MP, called it the” total collapse of dissent”. A letter some 30 progressives withdrew because they went too far when all they did was to ask for diplomacy to help end the annihilation of Ukraine and Europe but Biden is doing all he can to make it happen. Russia does not want to destroy Europe, Russians are Europeans. The American corporate elite want Europe and Russia destroyed, and they want the Russian natural resources. Only Russia can save Europe, they need Putin to save Europe. Lily, thanks for saying it. Did you see the two incidents were Jeffery Sachs was stopped in the middle of his sentence to say anything critical. It is the same in Europe, all news is coordinated. Mick Wallace, an Irish MP, called it the” total collapse of dissent”. A letter some 30 progressives withdrew because they went too far when all they did was to ask for diplomacy to help end the annihilation of Ukraine and Europe but Biden is doing all he can to make it happen. Russia does not want to destroy Europe, Russians are Europeans. The American corporate elite want Europe and Russia destroyed, and they want the Russian natural resources. Only Russia can save Europe, they need Putin to save Europe.
If we are lucky and the planet survives the Lunatic US/NATO GOVERNMENTS Russia, China and Europe may be able to rebuild the world and they can say “never again” if anything is left standing, as the generations after WW II said and to a large extent they did make a better world which our demented leaders now do all they can to destroy.
Lily, thanks for saying it. Did you see the two incidents were Jeffery Sachs was stopped in the middle of his sentence to say anything critical. It is the same in Europe, all news is coordinated. Mick Wallace, an Irish MP, called it the” total collapse of dissent”. A letter some 30 progressives signed and then withdrew in just 24 hr. because they went too far when all they did was to ask for diplomacy to help end the annihilation of Ukraine and Europe, which Biden and cabal are doing all they can to make happen. Russia does not want to destroy Europe, Russians are Europeans. The American corporate elite wants Europe and Russia destroyed, and they want the Russian natural resources. Only Russia can save Europe, the world needs Putin to save Europe.
After WWII they said never again, they wanted a better world and to a large extent they did make a better world which our demented leaders now do all they can to destroy.
The religion did not create the problem and does not solve it, but weapons and rebellion does. The people effected happened to be predominantly Muslim united by religion, like a family bond.
It is an interesting subject, something to talk about.
When metaphysics affects physics and does harm, then it stands to reason that it was a faith-based system (metaphysical) that is at the root of the actions doing the harm.
No, we do not permit others to post ethnic slurs concerning Russians, Ukrainians, Iranians, Palestinians, or any other ethnic group.
Some Israelis are Jews, some aren’t. Some Zionists are Jews, some aren’t. Criticizing a regime or a political philosophy isn’t an ethnic slur.
No, we do not permit others to post ethnic slurs concerning Russians, Ukrainians, Iranians, Palestinians, or any other ethnic group.
Some Israelis are Jews, some aren’t. Some Zionists are Jews, some aren’t. Criticizing a regime or a political philosophy isn’t an ethnic slur.
Aren’t you glad this site doesn’t seek donations.
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/jews-have-an-absolute-power-to-prevent-anyone-from-doing-business/
Seems everybody is losing reason at once, starting with governments, and now it’s ‘trickling down’ to individuals.
Society is crumbling in the US. There’s now a ‘helter skelter’ type murder psychosis going on with all the murders. But, unlike Manson’s version, it’s a free for all.
If the price of getting donations is running columns by Bill Kristol and Anne Applebaum instead of Ted Snider and Ray McGovern, should we do that?
I think antiwar.com would improve if you DID post both sides, exposing the absurdity of the pro-war factions in gov. The American mentality is divided into the either or syndrome, one side is correct and righteous; the other wrong and evil. That all goes back to the Judeo/Christian/Islamic doctrines of absolute good and evil–things aren’t that simple in reality. Sometimes both sides are evil, as we can see in both parties which are now together on starting WWIII. No?
The other side does not respond very well. Their issue is the lack of facts they need to support a rational response.
Reason doesn’t factor into gov. policy anymore.
Lily, peoples religion is one thing and not the issue, politics is the other and political actions are the issue.
That goes for Muslims and Christians as well. Politicians do use religion to manipulate people, the abortion issue is one such issue.
Just my opinion, my thought.
US Accelerates Plan to Destroy Itself