Democrats in Congress are divided on whether or not to send Ukraine the longer-range and more advanced weaponry that it’s seeking, The Hill reported on Sunday.
Among Ukraine’s requests for new weapons is the Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, which has a range of about 190 miles. The missiles have a significantly longer range than anything Washington has provided Kyiv to this point.
Russia has warned that if the US sends Ukraine longer-range weapons, it would cross a “red line” and require a response from Moscow. The Biden administration has been hesitant to send the ATACMS over concerns of provoking a response from Moscow, but it is under increasing pressure from Congress.
Rep. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) said the US should send the longer-range weapons since Russia hasn’t taken any action against the US or its NATO allies in response to the current levels of support. He said that support hasn’t “caused Putin to do any of the insane things that some people feared that he would.”
Rep. Jason Crowe (D-CO) also favors sending Ukraine longer-range weapons and said he received assurances from a Ukrainian presidential official that they wouldn’t be used to target Russian territory.
“He said outright they would not use these systems to attack Russian territory. They know that we’re their biggest patron and supporter and they’re not going to jeopardize that,” Crowe said in comments to The Hill.
When the US first sent HIMARS rocket systems that have a range of 50 miles to Ukraine, the Biden administration said it received assurances that they wouldn’t be used to hit targets inside Russia, although that restriction doesn’t appear to apply to Crimea. But with referendums to join Russia being held in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine, Moscow will soon consider attacks on those areas as attacks on Russian territory.
Other Democratic lawmakers who spoke with The Hill said they shared the Biden administration’s concerns about possible escalations with Russia, including Rep. Gregory Meeks, who said he didn’t want the US to look like the “aggressor.”
We are the aggressor of course. But sending a much larger and more capable missile system to kill Russians on what they consider Russian territory would also make us look like the aggressor that we are.
Speaking for myself… I have no desire to get my ass nuked!
Vote out those who are for it.
Get smart. Let’s have the largest turnout of voters in history and every one writes in a friend instead of war monger democrats and republicans.
When we see the numbers, we will know that we a forming a more perfect union even while occupied by the world’s most violent totalitarian military empire.
A few of the many problems with that:
1) Nine states don’t allow write-in votes at all.
2) Thirty-three states only allow write-in votes for candidates who have registered with the state.
3) While the remaining eight states allow write-in votes for anyone, they’re not necessarily very consistent about tallying those votes and announcing the numbers.
True but it sure sounds good…
Or everyone vote for the best third-party candidate. Last election it was Jo Jorgensen. The idea she wasn’t more viable than the turds that R’s and D’s next to their names is beyond laughable. Although I believe the R’s and the D’s keep her party off their ballots in some states. So, as always, we will remain to be screwed.
For now we should probably respect this red line, we need room to escalate support in response to Russian escalation.
Russia responded to Ukraine’s shelling of Donbass. They have been shelling Donbass EVERY DAY for seven years. On average 20 times per day. Last fall they increased this to more than 100 times per day. In February this was increased to more than 1,000 times per day, close to 2,000, with an invasion force of 60,000 gathered in the east. That’s when Russia finally intervened to save Donbass from invasion.
Even throughout this war the Zelensky regime has used U.S.-provided artillery to kill civilians in Donbass. Most recently just a few days ago. Instead of using the artillery for military means. They have been whipping up hatred against the Russian population for seven years.
Ukraine has been shelling the Zhaporizhia power plant. While lying and saying the Russians did it, even though Russia held the plant and provided electricity for the Ukrainian side. The UN inspectors exposed the regime, and Western media were forced to admit which side did it, but then buried the news.
Zelensky used nuclear blackmail. Risking a nuclear disaster to hold up the shelling before Western cameras.
In Mariupol the Azov Battalion used civilians as human shields, their prisoners. They gathered them in a theater and blew it up. They placed armored vehicles next to bomb shelters so that the Russian fire against the vehicles would hit the shelters, hopefully killing civilians. They don’t care since the people in Mariupol are Russians, who they hate.
The Azov Battalion and Kraken Battalion also torture civilians to force them to admit they are “traitors”, to score a victory on their websites. they have been doing this in the territory they occupied in western Donbass for seven years.
So who’s “escalating”? The side that has offered peace all this time, in exchange for Russian Crimea and Donbass being left alone? Or the side that is shelling a nuclear power plant and using human shields?
Ukrainian shelling of Donbass is an internal Ukrainian matter, much like Russias shelling of Grozny. Russia putting its forces over the border with Ukraine is war and an escalation.
Look, so what? Few tactical nuke here and there and Davos gets their “great reset” pushed thru.
No report on gop intentions ? Why not ?
Imagine you’re in a fist fight, the worst you’ve ever been in. The guy you’re fighting calls to a spectator and asks for a gun. You tell the spectator that if you give the guy the gun, you might take it out on him as well. The spectator replies “but he pinky promised not to use it on you”.
It does not matter at all what Ukraine says they’ll do, or even if Ukraine is being honest. The only thing that matters is that Russia will see this as a threat to mainland russia, and not just the donbas region.
Another chapter in the politicians in the pockets of the MIC making moronic decisions. Just can’t catch a break…
No worries, lads, stuff a few more bucks in that envelop we’ll git ‘er done!!!
10%…10%…10%…
The Zelensky regime has been shelling the Zhaporizhia power plant for months, while lying and claiming the Russians did it. They tried to use nuclear blackmail against Russia, and risked a nuclear disaster just to get PR in Western media. The UN inspectors have confirmed that the Zelensky regime is the guilty party.
Civilians in Mariupol have also testified about how the regime forces used them as human shields. The Azov Battalion gathered civilians in the theater there and blew it up, claiming that Russia did it.
They also claimed Russia bombed the Sultan Suleiman Mosque in Mariupol, built by Turkey, and the Babi Yar WWII monument – both of which were in fact not bombed. Maybe the Ukrainians never got around to it.
The Zelensky forces also placed armed vehicles next to bomb shelters in Mariupol, so that when Russia fired at them they would hit the shelters. The Zelensky side doesn’t care since the civilians in Mariupol are Russians, who they want dead. The Azov Battalion, when formed in Mariupol, said “we are behind enemy lines”. In April 2014 they fired machine guns at civilians protesting in Mariupol.
And this is the side some globalist politicians want to give long-range weapons. They would inevitably use them to fire at civilians in Russia. To hopefully make Russia respond by firing at targets in Ukrainian cities, like the parliament and military HQ in Kiev. Then they’d hold up civilian casualties before the Western TV cameras, as their goal is to make NATO declare war.
The cost of Biden’s student-debt forgiveness has now been estimated at 400 billion dollars. Numerous politicians will go in orbit in anger and attack. Actually that is about one month worth of our tax-payer’s support for the war in Ukraine.
If cities inside Russia are hit by US missiles Russia will retaliate on a massive scale.