Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday welcomed a proposal drawn up by senior Ukrainian officials and a former NATO chief that outlined a plan for security guarantees Kyiv would seek from Western countries.
The proposal emphasizes Ukraine’s desire to become a NATO member and says that until Kyiv joins the Western military alliance, it needs security guarantees from other countries.
The document says that the “strongest security guarantee for Ukraine lies in its capability to defend itself.” It says building up a sufficient defensive force requires “a multi-decade effort of sustained investment in Ukraine’s defense industrial base, scalable weapons transfers and intelligence support from allies, intensive training missions and joint exercises under the European Union and NATO flags.”
The security guarantees Ukraine seeks from other countries is a commitment for them to support Ukraine’s ability to create this force to deter future attacks through military aid, funding of reconstruction, training, intelligence sharing, and joint exercises.
According to the document, the countries Ukraine wants security guarantees from include but are not limited to “the US, UK, Canada, Poland, Italy, Germany, France, Australia, Turkey, and Nordic, Baltic, and Central European countries.”
As part of this arrangement, Ukraine seeks a “massive training and joint maneuver program of Ukrainian forces and partners on Ukrainian territory with international trainers and advisors.”
Zelensky on Wednesday welcomed the plan, which was drawn up with the help of Anders Fogh Rasmussen, a former NATO secretary-general. Zelensky said that the report “should become the basis of the future security compact.”
Russia condemned the document as the threat of NATO expansion into Ukraine was one of its main motivations for launching the invasion. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova pointed out that many of the proposals are already being implemented as Ukraine is receiving billions in aid from Western countries.
“Weapons have been supplied to Ukraine non-stop,” Zakharova said, according to the Russian news agency TASS. “The financial assistance being channeled to Ukraine in all of its forms, be it money transfers, or loans and so on, is unprecedented in recent history.”
So Bandera’s popularity in Ukraine has risen from 15% to 75% in the last year. This is what an insane, ill-considered war does. The most problematic characters suddenly become polestars for a population desperately seeking meaning and sense. “Truth is the first casualty of war,” Hiram Johnson, US Senator Calif. 1917.
What popularity? Based in whose numbers? Zellenski approval is below 5%.
Basic demographic testifies to that. He has no population to rely on. The fantasy paper would turn Ukraine into China of NATO weapons production.
I gues they have to publish something now that they “winning”.
Zelensky’s approval ratings dropped from 73% at the elections to around 23% before the war. Due to the war, polls are completely meaningless. The dust of war will have to settle for some time before we can get a reliable picture of what Ukrainians really want, or what the Oligarchs tell them that they want.
Anyways, the OP was talking about support for the Bandera Nazis, not for Zelensky. There are parts in Galicia where 60% supported Bandera before, while there was very little Bandera support in the East and South of the country. It’s impossible to tell how many are active Bandera followers and how many just think Bandera is cool, like Zelensky put it. Anyways, since the Kyiv regime has declared Bandera to be a national hero, we can expect that kids will be taught Bandera’s nationalism at school. Imagine Germany declaring Hitler to be a national hero …
I confess my statistics come from wikipedia — but also from various blogs, etc. that point to changing notion of Bandera as idea of something to be held on to. We warp the past continuously; we can’t really even keep up with the present.
You give the Banders group too much credit. They will sing a different tune as time goes on. Russia doesn’t want to make another Afghanistan mistake. Time is always on Russian side.
Ever since 2014, the population of Ukraine has voted with their feet. Currently, at least 7 million Ukrainians are actively supporting the liberation fight against Kiev/NATO.
There is an unbroken line of Nazi supporters in Ukraine and in the US and Canadian diaspora, who have used the old WWII Nazi networks during the cold war to subvert the Soviet Union and who have promoted Bandera nationalism in Ukraine since independence. The pedagogic faculties of the universities were particularly active in indoctrinating Ukrainian youth with Bandera nationalist hatred against their Russian-speaking compatriots.
Thus, the spread of Bandera nationalism has a long-standing tradition and was deliberately cultivated to fan hatred against the Russians. Russia could not have prevented that by letting the nationalists slaughter and/or ethnically cleanse Russian speakers in Ukraine. Russia patiently waited 30 years before stopping Nato expansion and 8 years before stopping the nationalists from killing Russian-speaking Ukrainians. Waiting any longer would have been tantamount to self-destruction.
There is really no point in taking anything that comes from the Kyiv regime seriously. It’s just an indication of how desperate they are. The crazier the proposal, the greater the desperation.
Why would Moscow agree to ease Ukraine’s path into Nato or be instrumental in making Ukraine a military fortress that can threaten Russia? It boggles the mind.
Impossible to miss the concinnity of this proposal to the over-tediously familiar Zionist demands on the US. Clearly this conflict has resurrected the sicko-sisters, Zionists/Neocons/Bandera-ists, of German fascism.
Well that didn’t take long.
The drafting of this document by his own staff feels like a publicity stunt. But it may also be an act of desperation.
The land grab in the Kharkiv region suggests that Zelensky is on the verge of winning this war. But the reality is that he’s kicked the hornet’s nest.
Russia has lightly shut down (they could have done much worse) the electrical grid in the Kharkiv region and destroyed a key dam on the Inhulets River. While this was done to gain a tactical advantage, it demonstrates Russia’s capacity to shut down Ukraine’s economic infrastructure. (US forces in Iraq called this “shock and awe”).
“The United States and UK on Tuesday and a former NATO chief that outlined a plan for security guarantees Kyiv would seek from Western countries.”
There. Fixed it.
President Bush II was the promoter of the slogan “Axis of Evil”, which at that time included Iraq, North Korea and Iran. He delivered that slogan at his “Sate of the Union Address” of 2002. North Korea and Iran were only included to hide the fact that the Bush administration was already seriously preparing to invade Iraq. The inclusion of Iran was not only for that reason because for the Christian fundamentalist Bush it was also a religious shot across Iran’s bow. When it was suggested that Iran should be taken out of his speech Bush said “no”.
It has become painfully clear that “Axis of Evil” and “GWOT” have been colossal failures which have costs the lives of hundreds of thousands Afghans, Iraqis, Iranians, Syrians, Lebanese, Americans, and others. Perhaps even more than one million
Now our President Biden is creating a new “Axis of Evil” which includes Russia, Belarus, China, and Iran. The only country among the four which he can safely invade is Iran. I am sure that the DoD and State have the plans to invade Iran because that is their business. The so-called JCPOA negotiations are the cover story for us blokes.
For Bush II Kurdish males were the cheap soldiers to attack Saddam. For Biden the Ukrainians are our cheap soldiers to attack Putin.
Can our nation ever come up with useful and peaceable military and foreign policies? That seems to be impossible.
It must be genetically modified as an agressor, just like expecting Lord Dracula give up blood or asking dogs not drinking water from toilet,on that ground, enemies created by USA more considered than USA,otherwise Putin,by now would used the Nuclear weapons and China would invaded Taiwan.
Who cares? This plan has as much chance of success as the Ghost of Kiev resurrecting since it depends on Ukraine actually winning the war, which is a physical impossibility. The depth of lunacy in the West is the only thing this plan demonstrates.
Ukrainian Officials Want an NATO Membership
The Battle of the Bulge? Russia will respond, Russia cannot afford to loose and will not loose. It still has not used its awefull militairy power to its maximum. The “shock and awe” is still to come.
This clarifies that Russia was right. This is the threat, and they would have lost if they’d waited. No choice, war now, or be ruined. No wonder NATO is so frustrated to have its aggression blocked.
NATO is in the business of selling weapons, and business is good right now. NATO isnt frustrated they are pigs in gravy. Guns before Butter.
This is mainly the US’s/NATO’s “plan,” with Ukraine as its active accomplice – mouthpiece for the dominant neocon part of US foreign policy.
The ‘red line’ NATO expansion issue long warned of by US state department officials; the territory with close historical-cultural links to Russia; territory on Russia’s border; the declared vision of joining NATO at some future point; and the highly militarized, quasi-NATO status in the ‘as long as it takes’ meantime:
in all these ways, this is a calculated, western recipe for a full blown and expanding, militarily jacked-up new Cold War – hot and cold – designed to go forever.
“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday and a former NATO chief that outlined a plan for security guarantees Kyiv would seek from Western countries.”
Lord Voldemort Zelensky marching the West toward extinction!
“The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?”
13-year-old girl from Donbass on Ukrainian gov’t kill list. There are hundreds of children on myrotvorets kill list. This is who NATO and the Kiev Junta are, murderers and thieves.
https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1049227-ek-ukraina-bezhency
“EC head Ursula von der Leyen: up to 5 million refugees have already returned to Ukraine from the EU.”
It doesn’t seem that Ukrainian men and women would voluntarily return there to be conscripted as cannon fodder.
The EU and the WEF have solved another problem re depopulation.
That is because they are not conscripted as cannon fodder.
A 13-year-old girl from Donbass is on the Ukrainian gov’t kill list and she is speaking out. There are hundreds of children on myrotvorets kill list. This is who NATO and the Kiev Nazi Junta are, murderers and thieves.
The proverb “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” sounds great but has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine. In Ukraine the mask of “good intentions” hid the true purpose of the US and EU actions, if only good intentioned people where involved then the last eight years of chaos in Ukraine would not of happened. Instead extremely hostile actions by US and EU elites led to the overthrow of the legitimate government in Ukraine. The US and EU intended to cause the legitimate government of Ukraine to collapse and place Nazi’s in power to bring the country under US and EU control. The members of the US and EU organisations have paved their own personal road to hell with the blood of Ukrainian citizens and if there was any justice in this world, they would be there now, rotting in hell.
After the Maidan the leaders of two right wing Nazi organisations were rewarded with control of four ministries. For example, Andriy Parubiy, co-founder of the fascist Social National Party (SNPU), which later changed its name to Svoboda, became the new top commander of the National Defense and Security Council. (covering the military, police, courts and intelligence apparatus). The CIA renamed the organisation to “Svoboda,” meaning “Freedom,” to make it more acceptable to Americans.
Dmytro Yarosh, Right Sector commander, was second-in-command of the National Defense and Security Council. This is the man who organized and ran Ukraine’s February 22nd Coup in Kiev, and the May 2nd Massacre of Its Opponents in Odessa, for Barack Obama. Yarosh’s teams carry out the most violent operations for the CIA in Ukraine. They are responsible for the atrocities committed in the Donbass, for the crimes against humanity.
Oleh Tyahnybok, co founder of the SNPU and party leader of Svoboda, A self confessed Nazi. He opposed the introduction of the Russian language as the second official state language; called for the lustration of former communist officials. He also proposed recognition of the fighting role of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War II.
Washington had chosen to spearhead Nazis into positions of authority. Under a “regime of indirect rule”, however they take their orders on crucial military and foreign policy issues including the deployment of troops directed against the Russian federation, from the the US State Department, the Pentagon and NATO. From fabricating an “invasion,” to the claims of “threatened” lives, to the labeling of Russians as “subhuman,” Yatsenyuk recited fully the script of Nazism used to justify its various historical crimes against humanity.
Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine are not fighting an “invasion,” but constitute an invading force themselves, making incursions into eastern Ukraine and holding territory only through unmitigated brutality against local populations clearly collaborating with armed self-defense forces intent on resisting Kiev’s Nazism.