Ukraine has accused Russia of carrying out a "deliberate massacre" in Bucha, a town near Kyiv. Moscow denies the charges and calls for an investigation led by the UN.
The Ukrainian Defense Ministry published several photos and videos alleging to show the aftermath of crimes committed by Russian forces. The Washington Post claims to have verified a video showing nine dead bodies, including a child.
The Times published an account by a member of the Ukrainian territory defense force, Sergeiy Torovik. "We found 18 bodies in there," he said. "They had been torturing people. Some of them had their ears cut off. Others had teeth pulled out. There were kids like 14, 16 years old, some adults. They just took the bodies away yesterday."
Ukraine’s first levied the allegations against Russia days after Russian forces withdrew from the area. Bucha Mayor Anatoly Fedoruk confirmed to the media that Russian troops had exited the area on March 31. Russia has responded by denying the charges and highlighting mayor Fedoruk’s statement.
"Moreover, on March 31 the mayor of Bucha, Anatoly Fedoruk, confirmed in his video address that there was no Russian military in the town, but did not even mention any local residents laying shot in the streets with their hands tied," the Russian Defense Ministry said.
The response from Moscow also suggested that the massacres happened after Russian forces exited the area.
"It’s particularity concerning that all the bodies of people whose images were published by the Kyiv regime, after at least four days, have not stiffened, do not have characteristic cadaveric spots, and have fresh blood in their wounds," The defense ministry statement continued.
After Russian forces exited the city, some members of the Azov Battalion were photographed by Daniel Berehulak for The New York Times in Bucha. Azov is an extremist, neo-Nazi militia incorporated into Ukraine’s military.
While the photos and videos published by Ukraine appear to show war crimes, it is unclear who committed the offenses and when. Several Western countries responded by immediately condemning Russia. Moscow has called for an international investigation carried out by the UN. UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres separately called for his organization to carry out a probe into the allegations. “It is essential that an independent investigation leads to effective accountability,” he said.
Kyle Anzalone is the opinion editor of Antiwar.com, news editor of the Libertarian Institute, and co-host of Conflicts of Interest.
I trust the Azov outfits about as far as I can throw them. I think this might be their ‘Syrian gas attack’ moment, and they’ll be outed for their crimes- but you can bet the propaganda mills will be pumping out Russia! Russia! Russia! the whole time before, during, and after any investigation.
I think the dead bodies in Kyiv say differently.
It will all be closely investigated by the international community and ultimately the average Russian will pay the price.
The fact that the Kremlin never been able to prove anything the so called Azov battalion is supposed to have done, must mean that either:
1) it never happened
2) or Putin is just really incompetent
Take your pick, comrade.
Yes, it will be investigated by the “international community”, and the only ones vilified with be the Russians, with mucho input from Zelensky and his Azov friends.
I’ll try not to giggle when I attend military funerals back in Russia. Those silly soldiers were so clumsy and badly trained. And now they will soon be six feet under, haha.
The word “comrade” comes out of your mouth with such flippancy that it removes any true meaning.
When I refer to someone as comrade it is as a sign of respect, not communistic at all… I also use it as a sign of solidarity and even friendship….
And, the word has been used and is used in the US military as a reference to fellow service members.
And you Donna are a comrade in the best sense of the word!
We in the east can only afford to be generous with things that don’t cost anything. So, yes, comrade, I’m generous with that word.
1. Dead-for how long? 2 who killed them? No investigation. 3 When was this Azov investigation? 4 . Your two “answers” mean NILAs for “comrade”, you are not acting as any sort of informer, just mocking a very important event built up from a lie wrapped in hatred.
The Ukrainians will fight the Russians for a 100 years to get their revenge. Congratulations to Russia who has just created a lethal enemy on your doorstep, dead and wounded Russian soldiers will soon pass 50,000. Putin really did NATO a favour here 👍
When you attend all the funerals back in Russia, try not to giggle, haha.
Did the average American pay the price for all the death and destruction we inflicted on Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya. After all we’re supposedly a democracy so we are all responsible inasmuch as we are a government of the people?
Americans are paying the price for the global imperial ambitions of their leadership. The ordinary Americans tax payers are paying, while all the profit of this project go direct to the private pockets of American financial-political elite. Actually, American financial elite is gambling with the lives and the money of all American citizens. For the elite it is win-win situation, while for the people it is always lose-lose.
American forces don’t commit atrocities, it takes really sick soldiers to do something like that. Like Russian soldiers. Now the Ukrainians will fight them with all they got for the next 100 years. Many dead soldiers arriving back in mother Russia!
“American forces don’t commit atrocities”
That is funny. By the way, did someone steal your identity, or did you fall on your head?
I finally woke up and realised I’ve been duped. Though, but now I’m trying to enlighten as many comrades as possible.
No way man. You’re just jerking everyone’s chain. Tone it down a bit to make it more believable.
Julian Assange has been tortured in prison due to revealing war crimes committed by Americans.
He’s still alive, isn’t he?
Not poisoned like some of Putin’s enemies, or shot with the hands tied behind his back, like a lot of Ukrainians…
For anyone not being brainwashed by CNN headline journalism – things are pretty clear.
It is not Russia executing their peace negotiators as “traitors”. Nor us Russia firing its generals and calling them “traitors”.
Ukraine will not have any generals left by the week’s end.
I am sure the people killed by the Ukrainian death squads were punishung cuvilian “traitors”.
Those are big men. They waited until mayor announced that alm Russian troups left, and only then, three days after, went in to dish justice to “traitors’.
We all know that it is the LOOSING SIDE that resorts to such attrocities, I am waiting now for White Helmets to show up and stage chemical attack.
Having bern caught in torturing Russian soldiers, they had to come up with “Russian” crimes to whitewash their documented cruelty,
And are these prople Ukrainian, or from Galucia, region formerly belinging to Austria, Hungary, Poland.
Or is this attempt to expand Poland by imposing its dialect as Ukrainian language?
What a mess,
“It is not Russia executing their peace negotiators as “traitors”. Nor us Russia firing its generals and calling them “traitors”.
Ukraine will not have any generals left by the week’s end.“
Putin has already fired several generals, and most of the others seem to have died in combat in Ukraine, or killed by their own troops.
“We all know that it is the LOOSING SIDE that resorts to such attrocities”
You are right, the Russian soldiers did this before they ran as quickly as they could back into Belarus.
Learn the king’s English before you butcher it.
Yes my Lord!
Are you on your knees, in adoration, blasphemer?
We are comrades, remember?
Don, MyLai Massacre, Lieut. Calley,,,get educated bro’! Ever hear of the murders and rapes in Iraq by the USA troops?? Fact. How about the droning of family’s? F-U.
Of course their are a few bad soldiers in every army. However, the US Army doesn’t encourage it’s soldiers to kill civilians or rape women. Are you mentally impaired?
Also, F-U too.
They just condone it after the fact. 🙂 War turns most good men into animals,,get real Donny Boi’. 🙂
ROFL
Oh I see – it was just “a few” bad Russians in that Army. Ok then.
Nope, a few bad divisions apparently.
WRONG.
I was employed by a man who had been in Vietnam. And he was a real rah-rah God Bless Amerikkka type too.
He described the actions of the Green Berets stationed there. He noted that they were so overtrained that when they got bored, they’d go around killing Vietnamese civilians “for the fun of it”.
He was pro-war, but even he was horrified by it.
Haha, you call that evidence?
Any videos to share, it would be interesting to see?
Videos? From the mid 1960’s, shit-for-brains?
Sure thing, I do clearly remember seeing people filming during the 60s, Kennedy’s assassination being one of the more famous one.
And you, poo for brains?
And I would have access to such video HOW? Asshole.
Hey moron, why didn’t your friend pass one along then if he now had irrefutable evidence?
Admit it you retard, it was just a drunk old man telling you stories that happened to fit your twisted imagination!
Don’t spread lies.
Right – they are always “mistakes”. Sure.
Are you perhaps suffering from Down’s syndrome?
Perhaps you have COVID of the brain?
I might, but that’s ok.
You on the other hand.., Down’s syndrome isn’t pretty.
How dare you degrade people with Down’s syndrome through no fault of their own.
Meanwhile, Don: Put. Down. The. Crack. Pipe. And sloooowly back way.
I’m not degrading anyone, I’m just stating a fact.
Unfortunately comrade, I don’t have any crack.
I do have an affinity for stolichnaya though!
I can think of a few other choices to explain the PR Blitz that the usual suspects are frantically waging as the destruction rains down. Your two choices are rather meager fare in this confrontation of truly global magnatude. How about “$hit happens but the show must go on”nce the curtain drops. Has Putin assumed too much? What about NATO and Biden? Will all the Europeans get off Russian gas and pay way more for the U.S. stuff to be good citizens? Its just another crazy war but also a watershed moment, with Putin and a not so happy China forcing a showdown with U.S. and NATO? Where is this all going? Who is running the Russian-China show? Who is running the U.S.-NATO show??? Is it Biden or Nuland, or is the architect pulling their strings, Hillary…??? She has been suspiciously low key as things spin wildly absurd..!!!! Not very “We came we saw he died” and who could forget her cackling??
I’ll tell you who is running the China-Russian relationship, it’s Xi.
Putin is Xi’s little b!tch that eats the breadcrumbs left on the table.
You seem to have a crush on Hillary, is it her specifically or grannies in general?
Most of us have long forgotten about that repulsive woman, my advice is that you try that too.
You serm to always know what nobody else on planet knows. I will stick with what the rest if the wirld knows,
Accordig to you, this is US proxy Ukraine fighting Russia – a Chinese proxy!
Bianca. You’re sooo right. You’re very smart!
Didn’t say that.
But, yes, China more or less controls the Kremlin these days.
Russia’s track record on telling the truth is much better than that of the Ukraine. Bio-labs that didn’t exist until the Russians outed them, Nazis in the Ukraine didn’t exist until the Russians outed them, Syria using chemical weapons happened until the Russians took the stories to task and they were outed as false-flag attacks…Now we have the Russians clearing an area of the Ukraine- as reported by Ukrainian officials- and it’s not until four days later, after the Azov outfits have been back in the area, that reports of civilian bodies become known. Russia says it’s a propaganda op ‘ordered by the US’ and you know what? I’m inclined to believe them at this point.
I bet you are, did you also know that the earth is actually flat?
And that Russia is a democracy where journalists and political dissidents aren’t killed?
Best of all, Stalin is alive and well!
Keep on dreaming, comrade.
Of course. But Pentagon has already stepped back, saying that they have no independent information.
This I am sure is in consequence of Russian unformatiin that is heading to UN SC. The pictures so generously provided to mediawere looked at by experts, and cincluded that the victims died days after Russian troups departure.
On the day troups departed, mayor of the township confirmed departure. The news about victims in the streets , being pulled from the basement — came on the third day. The experts concluded that the victims died recently as the
blood on bodies was still fresh and there was no observable rigor mortis.
There are other technical observations well over my head.
It appears that some confused neighbors and relatives talked to killed people
well after Russian troups departed. In the chaos, they did not grasp how damning the information is.
It all points out to a false flag, carried out by death squads.
In the light of the events, it would be important to know why two generals were fired. It is posdible they resigned not to be part of the death squads campaign of terror. Not the first one — many staged in Mariupol.
As always, such operations are staged by the losing side,
You must believe that every single Ukrainian is part of this outfit, including women and children.
Do you believe in Santa Claus too?
How could that be when the eastern half of Ukraine is pro-Russian?
Why can’t Russia take over eastern Ukraine then?
So much of the video coming out of Ukraine is staged and false that virtually nothing can be believed. However some of the video of Ukraine soldiers torturing and killing POW’ look like it is real.
Haha, you are clearly off your meds.
Don, you used to be reasonable. Have you stolen the name from the real DON??
There is a limit even for me.
Russian soldiers spending the time with killing and raping civilians, no wonder they fled like scared little children when the Ukrainians counterattacked. What a bunch of pu$$ies.
You believe the propaganda like my house cat laps up warm milk.
I’m done listening to what comes out of the Kremlin.
A dying midget that’s high on his own medication and so afraid of other people that he must sit at least ten meters away? Nah, better to change late than never.
“Imagine this scenario of aggression. Russia has established something called SATA. (Surround America Together Alliance) with the Bahamas, Cuba, Canada and all of Central America. Article 5 of SATA says if one goes to war, they all go to war. Putin is trying to get Mexico to join. He orchestrated a coup there in 2014 and installed a puppet dictator who helps enrich Putin through Putin’s crack head son. He keeps assuring Mexico they will join SATA one day, even though the other countries would not approve the vote and they don’t meet some minimum requirements. Other politicians in the duma send their kids to be on boards of Mexican companies to collect paychecks of $50,000 per month. Russia keeps sending weapons to Mexico who has a neo-Nazi force of nationalists near the border who take shots at English speaking American separatists who would prefer to be part of the United States. Cease fires are broken 2000 times over 8 years, leaving 14,000 dead in the conflict. The U.S. has taken a patient stance, trying to reason with the Mexican coke-head dictator but he keeps accepting SATA weapons and money. Last week the Mexican dictator said he doesn’t just want SATA membership, he wants Russian nukes in his country aimed at the United States. That was the final straw. Tuesday the U.S. launched air strikes across Mexico and declared those English speaking American states as independent republics.”
and the hypocrites here would do nothing, right Don?
Ehh, aren’t you forgetting that everyone in Central America WANTS to immigrate to the US?
It’s not like people are trying to flee from the US, most people actually want to live there.
Almost no one wants to live in Russia.
Go figure.
This is a what if scenario. Don’t forget the eastern Ukrainians hate the installed government in the West Ukraine.
That aside, what would you propose with that scenario?
As I pointed out, there is a reason most people want to live in the US and almost no one wants to live in Russia.
Hence, your scenario is so unrealistic it’s impossible to evaluate.
Not everyone, only the poor, the drug dealers, and the human traffickers. If we had a land bridge to all poor nations around the world, they’d all like to come here, just like they’re flocking to Europe because of the welfare system, not because of our foreign policy.
No one is flocking to Russia 🤣🤣
Distance because of COVID precautions but you knew that.
Yes, COVID can be fatal if you already are severely ill…
Biden got one foot in….
He’s more than 10 years older than Putin, still Putin is the one that’s terminally ill…
The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
George Orwell
Russian soldiers are saints. Lol. You probably only watch Russian state news.
You probably only watch US state news.
Totally agree Pat, and of course the great zelensky is an actor and showman with connections to the ukie fantasy film industry
It is time to define better these neo-Nazi brigades, Azov, Pravy Sektor or Tornadoes. They are organized on the model of Latin American death squads.
I fo not have faith in UN ability to act independently. To get them to show up will take time, and evidence gone.
There something deeply disturbing about Ukrainian leadership, about the apparent Western willingness to support death squads for yesrs now. And equally disturbing — the willingness to use human lives for war propaganda. Mariupol alone saw endless tragedies preventing people from leaving and using them as human shields.
And as they lose more territory and their military capacity being daily degraded — they will become more angry and more dangerous.
Have NATO and US at its helm — failed to see the catastrogic nature of Ukrainian Frankenstein?
This is the government that has no problem executing one of the memmbers of its negotiating team!’
Just like that! Then, Zelenski fires two generals — and calls them TRAITORS! What a wreck of the governance invthe middle of war! It is underdtandable to make changes if things are not gmdoung well. But — traitors?
It will probaby come to light that killed people in Kyiv subnurbs were declared “traitors” and their deaths used to grease CNN headline journalism,
The elephant in the room? Currently in my eyes the elephant in the room are the recurring “reports” of Russian war crimes and atrocities. If the world had a collective mind, it should realize that Putin and Russia are well aware of the propaganda they have to face daily in the Western media. Do people think that Putin and Russian leaders are THAT stupid to play right into the “war crimes/atrocities” narrative and make it REAL? If you do believe Russia is totally unaware of this “winning/losing the minds and hearts of mankind” paradigm you probably wouldn’t make a very good detective. Civilian carnage and atrocities mostly always come from the side that provoked the war in the first place!
One has to regain sanity by reading reports and analysis by authors outside of Western Matrix.
Chinese analysts are getting better by leaps and bounds, by perusing Global Times. But best are Indian sourcess, particulsrly M. Bhadrakumar. His latest bliog is very instructive. Looking at his previous publucatiins is well worth one’s time.
Most of the world has taken that red pill, and it will be hard to walk back.
I suggest anyone that wishes to get the other side of things get Scot Ritter’s excellent counter narrative to the empires deprivations.
Unfortunately most of the people in the West believe it. That said, the West is not most of the world.
Putin just got his ass whipped by an under equipped Ukrainian army, so yes, he might actually be that stupid.
Side note: He’s on so many medications these days that he can hardly tell if it’s day or night.
This nazi fantasy of yours, is it sexual? It really seems to get you off..
I suspect you are a necrophile too since you seem to enjoy dead bodies as well.
You’re absolutely disgusting and should be deeply ashamed of yourself. “Vile” doesn’t even come close to describing the content of your posts.
You should be banned from this site: Thomas, WHERE ARE YOU?
I’m right here. Point out a violation of our guidelines and I’ll act. “I don’t like how he talks” is not such a violation.
Good to know, Thomas. I hope some of the responses to his, in my mind, unacceptable posts, are equally sick.
Well, he’s an idiot, but being an idiot doesn’t violate our commenting guidelines — which, as Wbilct will gladly explain to you, accounts for my presence here.
I don’t have the luxury of blocking the idiots. You do. Why not use it?
I can point you towards an outfit with some really bad guys, the 64th Separate Motorised Rifle Brigade. It’s lead by Lt Colonel Azatbek Omurbekov.
As I said, some really disgusting lowlifes.
Zelensky and Ukraine have been the single largest
contributors to the American Congress, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and the
media in America, through public relations firms, then any other country
since before 2014.
Zelensky is the sole dictator in Ukraine having
outlawed all opposition parties. He shut down all news media in Ukraine
except for his own state controlled media or propaganda department.
The only propaganda from the areas where fighting is happening is going
out to news media outlets worldwide from the Ukrainian dictator
Zelensky.
Is it any wonder that staged anti-Russia events are
being disseminated from Zelensky and his minions and are now being
pushed? Ukraine was recognized as the most corrupt country in the
world prior to February 2022 and nothing has changed. Ukraine is where
truth goes to die!
Retired US Intel Officer article on the various false flags promoted by the War Party
https://sonar21.com/bucha-massacre-a-ukrainian-false-flag/
Excellent article. Thanks for linking, Vooch.
Pass it on.
I read it as well Vooch…thanks
Reliable source, was it the Washington Post or The New York Times, or even Pravda you used, comrade?
The NY Times and the Washington Post seem more like your kind of rags. They probably use the word “comrade” for anyone who doesn’t buy into their propaganda too.
I like to use the word comrade as a rather “brothers in arms” sort of reference …. I think implying it as a communist only usage is overly simplistic…
They think they are avant garde and in the loop with that word.
Comrade, you are being emotional.
Personally I only find dead Russian soldiers funny.
Why are you braying for war ? What’s wrong with Zelensky implementing his election promises of neutrality and minority rights ?
So you find it justified to try to slaughter half the Ukrainian population?
Hope you have a family member in the Russian forces, haha.
Huge hyperbole there, Don.
Nope, unfortunately not.
I wish it was, though.
Slaughter half the Ukrainian population?
That seems to have been Putin’s aim, yes.
How convenient for the Ukie “authorities” to have two days to arrange all these bodies after the Russians left, and nobody even waits for an independent inquiry er even listens to the Russian response.
By the way, there are videos in internet which were made by Ukrainian troops which first arrived at the spot. There were no dead bodies on the streets. Those Ukrainian military, who made the videos, obviously, knew nothing about this propaganda project.
Do you have a link for those videos?
You mean before the Russian troops dropped most of their equipment and and ran back into Belarus, haha.
Ukraine Accuses Ukraine of Committing Atrocities Near Kyiv
The most corrupt liars on earth want us to believe their propaganda. NOT!
Dead bodies don’t lie.
The Kremlin on the other hand, lies all the time.
Welcome troll. Your monolithic hated is evident.
I called you troll and in response you called me: Mexican, Cuban south of the border no habla, drug dealer, human trafficker disgusting person which somehow doesn’t qualify you as Racist.
But now you call others Troll. Hmm.
Now you see how this starts. You call me troll and I pick on an ethnic item to get to you. The powers have each side picking on each other like on an Animal Farm.
Look, the rats emboldened when in a two-person pack.
Comrade, you as a troll probably suspect that everyone else are that too. Sorry to disappoint you, Igor.
Said the dope with a trope. Not good enough, but when you graduate 6th grade let us know.
I sure will, comrade.
Put in a good word for me at the troll farm, I’ve heard it’s possible to start right after 6th grade!
More dog whistles from the mutt.
You keep pulling things from your rear orifice.
Keep my rear orifice out of your perverted mind, please! Julio might like that though.
I’m just stating a fact, you are clearly pulling “facts” out of your rear orifice.
And yes, I know what perverted relationship the Germans have to that part of their bodies.
Do you hate the Germans too?
Comrade, I’m not hating anybody.
Make love, not war.
Unfortunately Putin can’t get it up anymore, so he decided to have a war instead. Sad.
Geh jetzt ins Bett
Yes, Mein Fuhrer.
More than the Pentagon/CIA?
Don’t know what rock you been living under, but the CIA don’t hold regular press briefings. M0ron.
“doesn’t” hold – Numbskull. Are you a Ukie Ogre?
Be nice now, Igor.
We are all still comrades.
Heinrich – get to bed. Schnell! Schnell!
Comrade, have you been drinking again?
Pompeo – head of the CIA: “We lie, cheat, and steal”. Idiot!!
Observe before you try pretending you know.
You jump into your Lada and drive down to Kyiv (if you can afford the gas) and check it out for yourself.
Could tell us how you determined that the persons depicted were or are dead…?????
Half the head blown off, bodies mutilated or partly burned.
Yeah. Those Azov creatures sure are an evil bunch of psychopaths.
Do you have a sexual fetish for Azov? It gets you off, right?
Did you see that dead Ukrainian body under a body bag where the dead body’s arms came up to pull the tarp down after the wind raised it? What a miracle!
I’ll surely watch all the dead Russian troops when they are brought back. And I’ll take extra time to visit the wounded soldiers at the hospitals around Moscow, asking them how it feels to be missing a limb or two.
Give them all my regards and best wishes when you make those visits! You sound like the sort of guy who could get a “Wounded Warriors” fundraising campaign going in Russia. Go for it Don!
Ah, good idea, unfortunately there are no money in Russia any longer…
Rubles are in Russia, and they are getting more valuable as they are backed up with gold.
Putin turned the ruble into rubble. That’s why Russia had to impose restrictions on buying and selling the ruble, because no one really wants to own it.
You are a little behind on the status of the ruble. It is back up to where it was before the invasion. Putin is demanding that unfriendly countries now pay for their gas and oil with rubles. Bye Bye Dollar!
Why do you think it’s back up again?
Why is the interest rate in mother Russia 20%?
Why do you think Putin wants to force countries to buy a currency no one wants to own (the ruble)?
Why aren’t corporations allowed to buy and sell ruble as they want?
He’s not “forcing” countries to buy the ruble.
They’re free to get their gas elsewhere if they don’t want to buy rubles.
He is indeed “forcing” them to pay in ruble if the want to buy Russian gas.
You are right, the countries in Europe are free to buy their gas elsewhere.
That’s become a priority now but it takes time to build the infrastructure.
I’m using the ruble in large quantities though, to wipe my rear end.
NAziTO and USUKEU is and always has been the ’empire of lies’
Russia invaded Ukraine with over 190,000 troops, has been attacking and destroying cities with ground troops, tanks, air, artillery, and missiles, indiscriminately. Some cities have seized to exist and yet, they always claim that not one single civilian has been killed by their forces. Their playbook never changes. Denied, distract, discredit. This will continue until Ukraine, a sovereign country gives up its land to Russia. Another Palestine in the making.
Let me guess:”throwing babies out of incubators”
Remember the Maine!
The photos appear to show evidence of very heavy fighting and civilian casualties in an urban area.
We can’t trust the Ukrainian charges or the Russian denials of the civilian killings. And we certainly can’t trust the MSM to be objective. I appreciate the limitations of the UN where the US has a lot of influence, as with the IAEA where the US planted spies in Iran. However, a prompt UN investigation is the best that can be done to find out what happened. Hopefully the investigators can get access to forensic evidence and witnesses in time to establish what happened and, if there were civilian killings, when they happened, how they happened and who was responsible.
Armies commit atrocities. But Ukraine has a motive to plant false flags.
I hope folks realize that we really don’t know the truth at this
moment. But we owe it to humanity to support the best investigation that
can be organized and not to jump to conclusions until we have a clearer
picture.
One conclusion we can draw is that in six weeks after the invasion there have been thousands of civilian and military casualties. If the carnage continues at this rate the fatalities in the Russian invasion will soon be greater than the 14,000 casualties in eight years of war in the Donbas. The humanitarian cost of Putin’s war is greater than the depredations of the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and right wingers.
“A just war is just a war.”
Putin’s war is not one of the rare exceptions to that rule.
“The humanitarian cost of Putin’s war is greater than the depredations of the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and right wingers.”
That depends on who does the counting and who is accepted as the truth tellers! We only get the Western POV with set-up videos and “witnesses” who have an axe to grind.
Yes, because Putin refuses any reporters to the occupied areas.
Very strange, don’t you think?
Maybe the little man is hiding something?
Bro, most folks here aren’t presenting objective thoughts, they are all campaigning in favor of Putin.
Whereas your objectivity is obvious. Right Bro?
Maybe not obvious but nor I’m here obsessively campaigning for anyone. Definitely not justifying a superpower that just invaded a smaller/poorer country over paranoia then completely destroy cities and deny all wrongdoings while blaming all on Ukraine and West.
And then you go and prove my point.
Congratulatons, you are the objective one here.
Lol….he walked into that one….unconscious bias I suppose
Too true, just thought I would shock them with some reports from the real world.
Stand on your own two feet, without trying to enlist a “comrade”.
LIES again.
Yes, Putin and the Kremlin lie all the time. Finally you got it!
Our reporters in Iraq and other war zones were “embedded” with the mil units just like our national security correspondents report from the fact sheets (whether true or not) from the Pentagon. Maybe our parade of strange men were hiding something, like what Assange and others reported on (the only true reporters).
I’m sure every army is hiding something, this however, is a mountain of dead bodies. And unfortunately they didn’t even had the time to try to hide their crimes, because they were in such a hurry to retreat back to Belarus.
They weren’t forced out of that location. They left on an orderly withdrawal, which makes it even more obvious this was production by the Azov neo-nazis probably. They are well versed in Goebbels staging of the dead Germans on Aug 31 1939.
Haha, you seriously believe that?
Then why go there in the first place?
If you’d expand your horizons on the tactical objectives of Russia, you’d know. It’s been spelled out in the media (but not our state run media).
Please enlighten me, and don’t come with the lame excuse of it being a diversion.
So what’s your state run media then?
American media that aren’t mouthpieces for our Deep State Empire-seekers.
Ehh, what are you mumbling about?
How do you know they were dead and not actors. Kuwait paid over 10 million for the staged “babies thrown out of incubators” production to get us into that one.
Because independent observers are already in place, gathering evidence.
And it ain’t looking good for the Russians.
Those independent observers are not in place, and make sure you get some of those independent observers from India and China too, not just our satraps.
Of course, India for sure and most other countries too.
The highest estimates I have seen for 8 years of war in Donbass are 15K deaths of combatants and non combatants on both sides. As far as I know the Russians and the separatists are not disputing those totals. If they are, I would appreciate a reliable citation.
The Russians and Ukrainians each admitted the deaths of 1,300 soldiers (2,600) in the first 30 days of the invasion. Both sides claimed higher casualties inflicted on their opponents but I accept 2,600 as a lower limit on military casualties. Civilian casualties are harder to count, but it appears that there were hundreds. According to the Russians, they are preparing a major offensive in the East. So the heaviest fighting is still ahead.
From the lowest numbers from either side it is clear that 3 or 4 months of this war will kill a lot more people than 8 years of war in the Donbass,
Just wars are rarely worth the cost of admission.
“The humanitarian cost of Putin’s war is greater than the depredations of the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and right wingers.”
That depends on who does the counting and who is accepted as the truth tellers! We only get the Western POV with set-up videos and “witnesses” who have an axe to grind.
A version of babies taken from incubators????
Or Saddam Hussein’s WMDs…
……”in the form of a mushroom cloud.”
Dead man waving!
https://mobile.twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1510608236134735872
It seems that the Ukrainians have replayed the scenario of the Kuwait City maternity hospital in 1990, which was totally staged by the firm Hill & Knowlton for $10.7 million in order to convince the United Nations Security Council to intervene in Iraq for Operation Desert Shield/Storm.
The lead up to, and the war
https://www.thepostil.com/author/jacques-baud/
“shortly after the exit of Russian forces” The two days were enough for the Ukrainian forces to do their work of setting up the usual scene to video for the welcoming Western media which already had the shocked comments and sanctions ready to add to the accused, therefore of course guilty, Russians. No investigation, no right of response, the UK refused a UNSC meeting called by Russia. Real democracy and human rights!!!
Remember now, no giggling when attending military funerals in Russia. Those soldiers might have been fools indeed, but don’t dishonour the dead fools.
Sadly, I trust nothing that the Western led media puts out as time and time again it has been shown that they have NO credibility.
First, mass formation psychosis with COVID, now the same symptoms re Ukraine.
The anticipated false flag attack didn’t involve US/ukie bioweapons manufactured in bioweapon labs the ukraine thank G-d, but rather this easily debunked story. All the evidence is out there (not in CNN & Co obviously) and will be presented at the UN today.
F.ex.The mentioned major of the town declaring that the Russians left, 3 days prior, (for the big battle against remaining major ukie forces in Donbass) with a lot of details but no corpses on the streets. As well a the ukie police report that also omitted the “massacre”. Why? Because there was a massacre all right but it was not the Russians that killed their own or any civilian. These civilian people were shot dead by Nazi troops that took over the abandoned town 3 days after the Russians left and went on a killing spree on “Russian collaborators”. Clearly visible on these corpses are white ribbons which the Russian troops have but also civilian ethnic Russian, Russian speaking or any anti-Nazi person, in order not to get shot by mistake. More on this from this blogger:https://t.me/s/vicktop55
You can see these ribbons on cars and houses also, from Mariupol to the Russian border there’s an endless stream of refuges in cars, all with white ribbons on them.
Great stuff. COULD the truth really leak out from the ribbons?? If so, it goes to show how the propagandists will clutch at straws like a drounding person. But WHO here can ultimately be sure what is written or depicted has any semblance of truth.. Its largely hopeless. Lost in the manufactured fog of war and strife…!!!!! We need peace!!!
The calls to immediate impulsive action always remind me of the great John Candy line about attacking Canada:
“There is a time to think—and there is a time to act; and this is no time to think”
Apparently Putin is afraid that he won’t have any powers after he’s dead, so he came up with the brilliant idea of taking half the Russian army with him to his grave 🤣 🤣 🤣
To personalise it about Putin is just fascist and utterly despicable but typical of Western ideals, along with massive propaganda and massive censorship.
The crimes against humanity of US/NATO/EU in Ukraine are immense and nothing short of the Hague will be required.
The question is only if we will get Putin on trial in Hague before the cancer gets him?
Or maybe the oligarchs decide to take him out and dump him in a harbour somewhere?
“We”? We’re not a signatory to the War Crimes Tribunal, because we’re special and make the rules and the justice as we go.
Who are “we”?
I think you meant getting Biden et al. on trial. The conflict in Ukraine was not started by Russia on February 24, but by Ukraine a week earlier. The OSCE is a witness to this.
It was not Moscow that wanted this war, but Kiev and their US/NATO masters. President Zelensky deliberately put his people in danger and bears sole responsibility for what they are enduring today. Eventually all the people of Ukraine will understand this.
Russia took the incident to the UNSC. For some reason the Western powers blocked any investigation. I wonder why? Moscow calls us the “Empire of Lies”.
The crimes against humanity of US/NATO/EU in Ukraine are immense and nothing short of the Hague will be required.
I want to know what drug you are on, because it must be absolutely mind blowing!
Seriously, you have to share your secret here with your comrades!
I can only repeat what i said above, just how do you think the Minsk agreements came about? Who exactly do you think Stepan Bandera is? How come an estimated 15,000 civilians in the Donbass have died from indiscriminate shelling over the last 8 years? etc etc etc
Just throwing it out there but maybe you have no idea about what exactly is going on in Ukraine?
Why has there been shelling in the Donbas region? Who sent the Wagner group there?
And if there are casualties in the Donbas region, does that make it ok to start a full scale war with more than 10x as many casualties?
Comrade, wake up!
The story of Brian Christopher Boyenger, former Officer Marksman with #US 101st Airborne Division who gave Orders to Georgian Snipers to Shoot & Kill in #Kiev’s #Maidan in February 2014 “It was he (Brian) who gave us orders”
What are you mumbling about, Che?
That’s been the m.o. of the warmongers – total personification. Saddam, Milosevic, Khadafy, etc., it’s never the nation but it’s the one man.
Some of the false flag operations in Mariupol were so badly staged (quite literally in the theater) that they are hardly credible, yet Western leaders use them as proof to condemn Russia.
It’s telling that Azov fighters turned up in Bucha to present the alleged victims of Russian war crimes to the world. They seem to belong to the dirty tricks department of the Ukrainian forces.
It’s also telling that the alleged Bucha war crimes surface a few days after videos of tortured Russian POWs made the rounds. The Ukrainian ultras are like ISIS fighters who publicly boast about their atrocities to frighten their adversaries. Kyiv probably felt that, after the torture videos, it needed to go on the counter-offensive to present Russian war crimes to the world.
Russia took the incident to the UNSC. For some reason the Western powers blocked any investigation. I wonder why? Moscow calls us the “Empire of Lies”.
Go over to Moon of Alabama where a lot of very good discussion on this false flag/fake event is taking place. There’s a lot more useful information there than here on this event.
I do not speak Ukranian/Russian. But there is an alleged Ukranian MP who states that the massacre in Bucha was not the work of Russia.
Ukrainian MP Ilya Kiva said that the tragedy in Bucha was prepared by the SBU, and planned by the British intelligence MI6
https://teleg.eu/intelslava/24353
Is this reliable? I do not know.
It seems that the Ukrainians have replayed the scenario of the Kuwait City maternity hospital in 1990, which was totally staged by the firm Hill & Knowlton for $10.7 million in order to convince the United Nations Security Council to intervene in Iraq for Operation Desert Shield/Storm.
https://www.thepostil.com/author/jacques-baud/
Russia has already won in Ukraine, its Europe that now has the choice to surrender or be disarmed and de-nazified.
The conflict in Ukraine was not opened by Russia on February 24, but by Ukraine a week earlier. The OSCE is a witness to this. It was not Moscow that wanted this war, but Kiev and their US/NATO masters. President Zelensky deliberately put his people in danger and bears sole responsibility for what they are enduring today. Eventually all the people of Ukraine will understand this.
Moscow has obviously been planning this operation for years. They have been steadily upgrading and rearming their military for this day. In my opinion what is decided in Ukraine, remember Moscow has already won, will not stop the overall objective of the destruction of the West. Moscow did warn you all, repeatedly.
Moscow has only committed limited resources against Ukraine and are holding back 90% of their forces…..why? Is Moscow baiting US/NATO to assist Ukraine?
I believe that Ukraine will be used as a bridgehead against Europe, have you noticed that the main force in the Donbass is being held there? This is 60,000 – 100,000 NATO trained and equipped elite troops. They can’t retreat and they cant be resupplied.
The crimes against humanity of US/NATO/EU in Ukraine are immense and nothing short of the Hague will be required.
What the fuck? What happened to NAP and antiwar?