Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley sought to defend the Afghan War on Friday, despite the Afghanistan Papers showing systematic official lies about the failed conflict, insisting that the documents were a “mischaracterization” of the war, and that there was no unified decision to deceive the public.
Rather, the position here seems to be that hundreds of Pentagon officials took it upon themselves and each individually decided to deceive the public a little bit, culminating in a colossal lie which couldn’t be explicitly blamed on anyone.
Gen. Milley insisted the war had been a success in that there hadn’t been any specific terror attacks out of Afghanistan for the war’s duration, and particularly objected to the idea that anyone had died “in vain” in the conflict.
“I don’t think anybody has died in vain, per se,” Milley said, saying if anyone’s death was in vain, he “could not look at myself in the mirror.” Since he can still do that, he’s concluded no one died in vain.
The entire idea that troops died in vain is largely a military creation at any rate, built to try to shame politicians into keeping the war going on the notion that if the war is lost all the deaths were in vain.
Yet now, the war is plainly lost, and officials are still looking to give those deaths some specific merit. Broadly, assigning meaning to the deaths is something that was largely just an exercise military brass sought in the first place, and should have little impact on either US policy in Afghanistan going forward, or culpability on the years of deception from the Afghanistan Papers.
Lets get the hell out and stay out.Time has run out.
How can you get out of Afghanistan and still say you are ruling the world ?
There was no reason for war in afghanistan, so yes they died in vain. fbi and cia is the biggest threat to USA and other nations.
The FBI, CIA, MIC, MSM, Zionists & the one percent, are the owners of the degenerate US “democracy”. Until their “ownership” is terminated — by looting, the cancer of empire, and the collapse of the fiat-funny-money dollar — Americans will remain brain-raped and enslaved.
Endeavor to persevere.
Dead is dead. No difference why, when or where.
The 9-11 terrorists were in Germany and the US (learning to fly planes). Should those countries have been invaded and occupied, too? How come no terrorist attacks on us from Germany without an invasion and occupation of that country. What a bogus excuse for a war.
On the other hand, if everything we think we know about the “so-called terrorists” has also been a lie, then maybe the REAL culprits have ALWAYS been within our own shores, and within the halls of our OWN government. The war was about opium poppies and the global CIA heroin distribution network. The same way Vietnam was about heroin and the central and south American “occupations” were about cocaine.
The primary objective is always the war itself; other objectives are window dressing for the folks back home.
Ok, if they did not die in vain (or maimed for life in vain), what did they die for?
Please do not say they were bringing democracy and american values.
It is not helpful for these fat a___es sitting in the pentagon to pontificate about the bs that has long ago been discredited.
Maybe we should start with audits of contractor net worth to determine what they died for.
Perhaps it would not be in vain if finally it forced major reforms in US war making all over the world.
Destroying AQ and OBL was the objective,
“nation building” is the insanity.
The other way round … The war itself was the objective; AQ and OBL were the excuses.
AQ and OBL are/were not Afghans.
AQ and OBL are/were hiding in Afghanistan,
and Afghans decided to protect them.
US troops did not die in vain; just imagine how many opium poppy lives they have saved
The Taliban had eradicated the opium industry after they deposed the Soviet puppet government.
Slight correction. The US-armed and funded jihadi terrorists — Northern Alliance and madrassa-trained foreign fighters, not primarily the Taliban — drove the Soviets out, after which the US bailed and left the Afghans at the “mercy” of the now-unpaid but still heavily-armed jihadi criminals, who took to robbing and raping. When the Afghans had had enough, the Taliban mobilized and put an end to the jihadi outlaw gangs.
Then the Taliban eradicated the opium industry.
https://ericmargolis.com/2019/12/afghanistan-graveyard-of-empires/
“The war has been a resounding success” – Yes, for the MIC, its contractors in the SWAMP and for the ZOG. Trillions of dollar have been transferred from tax-payers to them.
as for the “Generals”, why wouldn’t they like wars when that’s what give them privileges of kings….. “Military “leaders” today are treated as princes. “Four-star generals and admirals today,” Bakken writes, “are flown on jets not just for work but also to ski, vacation, and golf resorts (234 military golf courses) operated by the U.S. military around the world, accompanied by a dozen aides, drivers, security guards, gourmet chefs, and valets to carry their bags…..”
https://worldbeyondwar.org/west-point-professor-builds-a-case-against-the-u-s-army/?link_id=0&can_id=5b28d908b61c219ee55b1fde983ca79c&source=email-west-point-professor-builds-a-case-against-the-us-army&email_referrer=email_678968&email_subject=west-point-professor-builds-a-case-against-the-us-army&fbclid=IwAR2eaJD4dVSYidtEnqTgX5bA7Z0EsJ8D7TQZnSwWtTXMDYXV_ndQ7pUuPtE
Well, first, the primary lie is that the US militancy goal of destroying Middle Eastern nations, creating millions of refugees, is wildly successful. That this goal is not openly expressed is the lie. This, is what we observe.
“Per Se” means by itself. So the general is saying he doesn’t think anyone died in vein by itself but they died in vein nevertheless.
Of coarse he and Wall St. made a Trillion!
Those troops died to put money in the pockets of the Rothschild Banking Cartel:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php
All Wars Are Bankers’ Wars! The IRS and The Federal Reserve Bank work together to swindle USA citizens
The 16th Amendment and the Income Tax
1913 proved to be a transformative year for the nation’s economy, first with the passage of the 16th “income tax” Amendment and the false claim that it had been ratified.
“I think if you were to go back and and try to find and review the ratification of the 16th amendment, which was the internal revenue, the income tax, I think if you went back and examined that carefully, you would find that a sufficient number of states never ratified that amendment.” – U.S. District Court Judge James C. Fox, Sullivan Vs. United States, 2003.
Later that same year, and apparently unwilling to risk another questionable amendment, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act over Christmas holiday 1913, while members of Congress opposed to the measure were at home. This was a very underhanded deal, as the Constitution explicitly vests Congress with the authority to issue the public currency, does not authorize its delegation, and thus should have required a new Amendment to transfer that authority to a private bank. But pass it Congress did, and President Woodrow Wilson signed it as he promised the bankers he would in exchange for generous campaign contributions.
Woodrow Wilson later regretted that decision.
“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” — Woodrow Wilson 1919
Wow the general just said a whole load of bullshit, he shoulda just kept his mouth shut. Running his mouth like Epstein’s prince buddy made his lie obvious..
The majority of people in the U.S. are immigrants, legal or illegal. Asian, Filipinos, Latinos, Mexicans, African, islamics.
They’re here for the money, whether it’s handouts, or work permission from the Feds.
They COULDN’T care less about the U.S!
Whether they’re Asians or Latinos or Native-born, you see then walking down the street staring at their iphones. Crossing the street, staring at their iphones. They go down the elevator, staring at their iphones. On the bus/trains, with their cell phones. They don’t even know there’s wars in other countries, and COULDN”T care less!
Oh stop it! The native born (many of whom are nonwhite too) have no special propensity for caring about foreign affairs. My experience is actually that immigrants tend to pay more attention to news generally. But either way, we are in this together.
“The majority of people in the U.S. are immigrants”
Last time I checked, 13.6% wasn’t a “majority.”
Which is just the first of your idiotic notions about them.
Most are descended from immigrants, including of course all the “white folks” who now inhabit the USA.
Not most, all.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/connecting-dots-brave-new-world/5697572
The Iraqis are without a constitution they can call their own. I assume a similar modus operandi has been occurring in Afghanistan for 18-plus years.
The US Government was the perpetrator of 911. Afganistan had nothing to do with it.
Top US General Denies That US Troops Died in Vain in Afghanistan… because all the investors in war profiteering corporations all made money! and guess what stock the general owns!?!!
Other than the American Revolution and the War of 1812, every US serviceman has died in vain for a moneychanger. Read Gen Smedley Butler’s WAR IS A RACKET. Wars for profit and empire are not new.
Well, every grunt everywhere, anytime.
Ok, so lets see…how many “American Troops” died in our invasion of Afghanistan? How many Afghans have died? Now having that in mind, does it really matter if “American Troops died in vain” or not?
The degree of success in any regime change war is not measured in lives lost, but money spent and natural resources appropriated.
We can’t change the past but we can change everything re the future.
Nation building is lunacy.
Pack up and get out of Afghanistan immediately!