Israel’s Channel 13 has leaked what it says are the contents of
President Trump’s “deal of the century” peace plan for Israel and
Palestine. The report would grant the Palestinians a state that encompasses 85%-90% of the occupied West Bank.
The plan would be for Israel to keep its settlements, though no longer
expanding isolated outposts. Moreover, the plan would mandate Israel
evacuate any outposts which are illegal under Israeli law. That’s a big
deal, because Israel has recently changed its own laws to facilitate
retroactively legalizing a lot of these outposts.
The Palestinian capital would be in East Jerusalem, and the Palestinians
would be given “most of the Arab neighborhoods” there. Some areas would
also be jointly run by Jordan and Palestine.
The White House is denying that this report is true at all, saying all
speculation on the peace plan is inaccurate, and declining to offer any
specifics. The US has long promised to make such a plan publicly
available, but has yet to do so.
The report said the US believes that the Palestinians will reject the
proposal at any rate, which is likely the only reason it is being
offered. Though they said they expect Israel to “say yes,” anything that
divides Jerusalem would likely be a non-starter for Israel as well. So
long as the Palestinians are going to turn it down anyway, Israel would
be free to make a show of being willing to discuss the matter, and then
blame the Palestinians for the failure.
This makes zero sense. If Israel is to keep settlemrnts, West Bank is like Swiss cheese and navigating around settlements is already near impossible. The idea of East Jerusalem is a complete nonsense. Today, Israeli roads connect settlements to Jerusalem, but prevent Palestinians from going there, or even being able to keep property or get residence permit.
These are realities, and no Palestinian state is possible — not ever, except possibly in Gaza. Unless settlements become part of Palestine. Which just cannot haplen.
There is no reason to spread such false stories at all — unless some more anti-Trump sentiment is needed.
I don’t understand, why do you think a Palestinian state is possible in Gaza but not west bank? Because of settlements? There were once settlements in Gaza, yet here you are saying a Palestinian state could be established in Gaza. Why is the west bank different? Keep in mind this isn’t the actual peace plan, just speculation from a bunch of know nothings.
Didn’t you answer your own question? The fact that there are no longer settlements in Gaza is the difference.
Yes, but they once were there and now they’re not, so the fact that settlements currently exist in the west bank now means nothing as to whether they’ll be there in the future. Im saying why is west bank any different that you are of the opinion settlements will always be there when the only other example proves differently?
I think part of the plan says the settlements become permanent. If that’s the case, then they will be there for good.
It says that specific settlements will be removed and it isn’t an actual peace plan, it’s people speculating on what the peace plan will look like. My point is that the current existence of settlements clearly isn’t a roadblock to peace given that they weren’t a roadblock to israel withdrawing from Gaza and in the west bank clearly there is willingness to get rid of them. If this is what the peace plan looks like, is there any reason the palestinians can’t just say this is a start, but we want all settlements removed?
I’m only commenting on the speculation of what the peace plan will look like and that includes making the settlements permanent. And if that happens, I believe permanent means permanent.
Sounds like something Trump’s son in law would come up with so I don’t know if the stories are false.
The sole international recognized boundaries between the 2 states are described in UNR 181.
Thats a fact.
isreal wants it all-100% and the Palestinian people will be confined to reservations. That is the plan of israel, it has been since day 1… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67b965b5885044a5875c3a88dd3ba860b15d9d72a8c5018c8fa23258259e9c36.png
I responded yesterday to this article. The moder@tor, again unwilling to allow severe criticism of Israel (and with a personal bug up his butt about my continued refusal to bow to his petty tyranny) deleted it. I looked carefully at my comment before posting it, grudgingly subjected it to self-censorship — I would have been even harsher — but to no avail, so it’s gone.
But as is my practice, to preserve it, I cross-posted it to my blog, which I am also not allowed to link to or cite by title. Hopefully, by now regulars to AW.C will know where to find it, (and I would encourage any of those who know to help out and cite my blog by title.)
Let’s see if the moder@tor removes this.
I responded yesterday to this article. The moder@tor, again unwilling to allow severe criticism of Israel (and with a personal bug up his butt about my continued refusal to bow to his petty tyranny) deleted it. I looked carefully at my comment before posting it, grudgingly subjected it to self-censorship — I would have been even harsher — but to no avail, so it’s gone.
But as is my practice, to preserve it, I cross-posted it to my blog, which I am also not allowed to link to or cite by title. Hopefully, by now regulars to AW.C will know where to find it, (and I would encourage any of those who know to help out and cite my blog by title.)
Let’s see if the moder@tor removes this.
“The moder@tor, again unwilling to allow severe criticism of Israel”
Bullshit. Half the posts on this forum are “severe criticisms of Israel” — some of them from me.
In order for me to have a “personal bug up my butt” about anything you do, I’d have to care one way or another about you. Narcissistic much?
As you have so often whined/explained before. Now answer my question: Where’s the f*cking problem with the post, b*tch?
If you want me to work as your personal question-answerer, let me know. I’ll think about it. In the unlikely event that I agree, pay will need to be negotiated.
Or you can just keep trying to get banned and succeed.
Your call.
Meanwhile, I’m reposting the comment here, but revising the one possible source of moder@tor “objection”: the use of profanity in the coined phrase “Zio-Mind-F***”. I’m replacing that original with the slightly less harsh, but profanity-free “Zio-Mind-Rape”.
Already, the comment is “awaiting moderation” so you may never see it, even in it’s “cleaned up” form.
What’s the problem with the post, Thomas? Is it Zio-Mind-F***? Is it the use of the term “Göyim”? Is it he prediction of an eventual “setback” to the Ziönist project. Or is it that you just can’t handle my refusal to bow to your petty “authority”?
Time for you to get specific. I want you to state ***EXACTLY*** where the offense is. You’ve been pulling this censorship crap for some time now, and you best have some solid cause for your interference, something beyond a personal feud with me.
This is a repost. The original was flagged for moderation, and so will not appear at all until — or if — it passes the möderators’s approval. Readers will note that I have replaced the “o” in Göyim and Ziönist with an “o” with an umlaut to test for what triggers the automatic möderation flag.
This post went through without triggering the flag, so it’s either Göyim or Ziönist — absent the umlaut of course.
Here’s the original “offending” post. With flag preventers.
[moderator’s note: OK, well, you got multiple warnings, unlike some people. Hope that makes you feel special. Goodbye. – TLK]