In early September, during major protests in Iraq’s Shi’ite southeast, a group fired three mortar shells into the Green Zone of Baghdad. The shells landed in an empty lot, doing no damage and causing no casualties. Months later, it appears to be a much bigger story.
That’s because the Wall Street Journal is reporting that in the immediate aftermath, John Bolton and his National Security Council were encouraging a “forceful” US response. In the course of this, Bolton’s team asked the Pentagon to provide President Trump with “military options” to attack Iran.
It appears not to have taken long to go from Shi’ite protests and pinning the mortar fire on a Shi’ite militia, one that is officially part of the Iraqi government, to calls to attack Iran. That’s because US officials, particularly hawks, accuse Shi’ite militias anywhere in the world of being Iranian as a matter of course. In this case, it could’ve easily escalated into a US military attack on Iran.
Both the State Department and Pentagon were taken aback by the request, with one former official calling it “mind-boggling how cavalier they were about hitting Iran.” Bolton has made a career out of calls to attack Iran and others, of course, and likely considered this par for the course.
The Pentagon is confirmed to have drawn up the options for attacking Iran, though officials say it is unclear if the options have yet been passed along to President Trump himself, or are still working their way through the National Security Council.
It seems likely it’s a later, though, as National Security Council spokesman Garrett Marquis presented the mortar shells as an attempt to attack the US Embassy in Baghdad, and said they are considering a “full range of options to preserve their safety and our interests.” This is meant to suggest that months after the “attack,” which again did no damage and hit nothing, attacking a country at best tangentially related to the matter remains on the table as far as Bolton’s council are concerned.
What will happen remains to be seen, but resistance to that sort of an unprovoked US attack may be softening within the administration. James Mattis is gone, and it’s not clear the interim Pentagon leadership has anywhere near as much sway or inclination toward being the voice of reason. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has made targeting Iran the centerpiece of his Middle East tour as well, and has been known to lean hawkish on Iran.
Hopefully, this is just a meat scrap for the christo-fascist wing of his base. Gotta keep em on board for 2020…
If he does no wrap up some of the wars, and neatly put a bow — base will not be happy. There are a lits of people trying to put words in the mouth of the base, and many more are buying the rights to create the new narrative. They suceeded with Tea Party, why not again. Get wars bsck to be mainstream. I think Trump knows base well, and is starting to remember this as the election is approaching. He is not unaware of the disgust people are starting to feel about pountless prancing around the globe. But Iran is a taunt — and every weird way will be examined, every excuse good enough to push political buttons and see if it sticks. See if somebody will start rolling that ball down hill. But thise SOMEBODYS are not out there, stepping up, taking responsibility — let it be somebody else to agitate and shill.
Naw, base is a cult, will follow him into Iran, or not. He has not lost any of his base escalating every theater, increasing Pentagon budget and rubbling Syria. He has always made wild statements making him appear to support whatever happens, while condemning the same. Sales 101.
I wholeheartedly agree. He is the best modern version of Barnum. He feels what anybody would LIKE to hear, gives them what they want, and so on — for different audiences. But this is precisely his power as a wrecking ball. In the process of supporting shifting and meandering mush of goals, he forces everyone to come out of their comfy positions, expose themselves, being encouraged to play up their bold postures, until he switches to the opposite, making some look like fools they are. There is no strategy here, just tactics.
Let us assume that his strategy is the one described in his Foreign Policy Strategy of April 2016. Why, do we actually believe that in our political environment it is possible to spell out rational goals, have a rational and respectful discussion— and reach a consensus? Given viciousness of opposing interests, no straight forward path is possible.
So, any desired change can only be achieved through wrecking process, hoping the opponents bite the bait — and corner themselves by getting stuck too deeply jnto any position. He will change on a dime, and end up ahead. Or will get stuck himself — and wreck some more in the process.
There is simply no good way of implementing any change — all political bobble heads, the moment they are elected turn into robbots with preprogrammed code.
Reality, however, will catch up with the casino. Debts at some point do matter.
Really, Dave Sullivan, Trump’s base is NOT a cult. They won’t follow him into Iran .. and besides, Trump has NO plans whatsoever for a war with Iran. Heck, the US hasn’t won any major wars since WWII.
Jeffrey Fein’s correct .. Trump hasn’t escalated sh*t, you’re mistaking him for Obozo, who actually DID escalate the war in Syria by funding/arming ISIS and other Jihadists. Get your facts straight. Trump’s predecessors – from Bill Clinton to Obozo – escalated wars in the Middle East and the Balkans, as well as in Ukraine. Trump de-escalated tensions in the Korean Peninsula when he and DPRK Chairman Kim-Jong-Un held a summit in Singapore, and he’s doing his best to do the same in the ME. However, the Trotskyists aka Neocons (including Bonkers Bolton and Pompous Pompeo) are undermining his efforts. He sorely needs to fire them both and replace them with those who agree with him.
It doesn’t do any good to try and explain that to more than one person on this site. They refuse to see anything but Trump badman and like Dave they stereotype Trump’s supporters as nothing but a bunch of idiots and “cult followers”. They can’t see that even Republicans are tired of war and were hoping for someone from their “team” to vote for who wasn’t promising more war.
The fact is that Trump has shifted the overton window. We now discuss when to get out and how to get out of all these wars rather than talking about how we need to bring democracy to the area. The Trump haters won’t admit that Trump is in any way responsible but yet, if not for Trump we would have continued to have the same public discourse on the topic of foreign policy as always.
Regardless of what Trump does from now on he has already shifted that window and it’s not going to swing back again. People keep saying the left will run to the “right” of Trump, LOL some might try that nonsense but it’s not going to fly come nomination time. The Democratic party will NOT nominate another war monger. They saw what Trump did to Hillary and they also know their own base isn’t interested in more war either. So while this crap is going to continue on for some time, we are not, as a nation, going to see outright warmongers elected again as president for some time to come. It will be a while before the American people forget this mess.
The fact that Trump won as a less interventionist non-regime change “Republican” and won changed everything. The left can’t run as anything remotely pro-war and hope to beat Trump, it can’t happen and they know it. If they run a war monger the independents will move to Trump and his base isn’t going anywhere unless they find someone who is even more anti-war to vote for. They would never support a pro-war democrat over Trump, not going to happen. But understanding why this is so important is hard for most people and giving Trump credit for this is flat out impossible for many.
Either way, Thanks to Trump, I’m no longer worried in the least about the next presidential election. We will either Get Trump or a Democrat who is even more ani-war.
He has escalated sanctions on Iran which is basically war by a different name.
He’s escalated drone strikes and troops levels as well as escalating the military’s budget and authority inside all of your illegal wars and regime change attempts.
You also keep forgetting that Trump hired the neocons and can fire them any time he wishes.
Again, Bianca, and Jeffrey…when Obama left office, there were 300-500 spec ops in Syria. Trump brought in 3000 marines in the spring of 2017, these were the 2 batteries of 155mm guided artillery pieces (10-16 pieces) and support. they fired 80ooo shells into Syria as of Nov 2018. We can figure 100ooo by now. 10ooo guided 155 shells into any US state, puts them into mideaval age. Yes, trump rubbled Syria. Also that spring, he deployed 7000 troops into Afghanistan, they remain now in 2019. All air sorties, in all theaters are way up. I understand your “hope” with trump, yet, he has a long way to go to return to the lower level of US violence that was occurring when he took office. Facts vs talk. He has talked to North Korea, he has yet to accomplish anything resembling negotiation. Why don’t you both wiki the effects of a modern 155mm shell, then tell me about trumps’ “nonintervention record”
Right you are. Trump’s hard core base is the Premillenial Dispensationalist Evangelicals. Going to war with Iran is part of the plan to bring about Armageddon, which actually already occurred in 70 A.D.
“Naw, base is a cult…”
Look in the mirror, Dave.
“He has not lost any of his base escalating every theater,”
He hasn’t escalated sh*t, Dave.
“…increasing Pentagon budget…”
Check. But that’s a minor issue. Every prez has done the same. No one really cares about that.
“… and rubbling Syria.”
Wrong again, Dave, but worse, dishonest. He “rubbled” ISIS, like he promised, and like everyone on the planet wanted. And he did that after Bush/Cheney/Neocons set the whole f*cking Mideast aflame per the Oded Yinon Plan. The rest of the “rubbling” is on the f*cking CIA & Bush/Cheney/Obama/ZioNazis/Saudi/Qatar/&Turkey.
“He has always made wild statements making him appear to support whatever happens, while condemning the same. Sales 101.”
The country is suffering from cultural schizophrenia. Two groups who see two different “realities”, each convinced that they know the truth while “the other” is deranged. (One side may be more reality-connected than the other, or both may be whacked out. Meanwhile, it will do no good for me to claim that one side — my side, well duh! — is the more reality-connected side. The Trump/anti-Trump cultural war will continue until: (1) One side decisively wins and the other side loses. For example: Trump says “Screw this bs”, slaps Congress aside, and uses his Presidential CiC authority to declare the border a military zone, and brings in the Army Corps of Engineers to build the wall (2) the two sides continue to diddle until we get to the next decision point in 2020, (3) the Prez loses patience and nukes the swamp with, say, war crimes indictments for Iraq, or (4) civil strife/low-level civil war breaks out.
This is nowhere near ending. The show has only just begun. ***ESCALATION*** and sphincter-tightening is the order of the day. How it plays out,… ????? But what a f*cking fabulous spectacle!
Don’t let the actual facts get in the way Jeffry.
You had to admit he increased the military budget and pretend that this somehow doesn’t escalate militarism……
Then you had to pretend that his escalation in Syria is somehow not escalation. This despite the fact that he’s merely pulling out the very troops he deployed earlier when he used the press who willingly ignored it…….
He’s advocated for more intense torture, which is nothing but escalation of a barbaric tactic that is known to be not only ineffective for intelligence gathering but a disaster as far as escalating blow back. It also shows he has no regard for the principals for which this nation was supposedly founded upon…….
He’s advocated making the military even larger and “stronger” which means nothing more than more of the same…….
He’s given the military permission to escalate all of our illegal occupations and proxy wars without permission in order to shirk his responsibility back to the US citizenry…..
He’s OK’d more money to Israel and Ukraine, as if that won’t escalate violence anywhere or help fund Pence’s neo Nazi buddies…….
Overseas contingency operations used to have caps on spending until Trump ignored them and increased spending there as well. This was done with absolute continuity in corrupt policy via congress…..
“He hasn’t escalated sh*t,”
Not at all true Jeffry, not in the slightest bit.
You wouldn’t know an “actual” fact if it bit you on the @ss.
Kissing up to the military is a bipartisan tradition. A total ho hum except when amplified by your TDS.
Every politician crawls on their belly to Israel. Ho hum again.
He ***talked*** about torture during the campaign, but campaign talk is not action, and there is no indication that beyond bombing the crap out of ISIS that he has actually ***DONE*** anything more ***kenetically*** militant. (With the possible exception of appointing “Bloody Gena” to head the CIA.)
Your Trump hate has severed your connection to reality.
There were articles here that said Trump wanted to reintroduce torture but Mattis talked him down. And I haven’t heard any talk about closing our offshore gulag. Trump hasn’t changed his tune on either. Lets not pretend here, Trump is a torturing kind of guy even if he stopped every war tomorrow.
LOL ! They’re all verifiable facts but if the inverted Trump delusion syndrome has you that badly then I guess we’ll just have to put up with your delusional ranting and cheer leading until we hear the POP of your head coming out of your ass.
I agree, Bianca .. if Trump does no wrap-up some of the wars and neatly put a bow – the base will surely be unhappy. There are lots of people trying to put words into the mouths of the base, and many more are buying the rights to create the new narrative. They, indeed, succeeded with the Tea Party, so why not again? I, too, think Trump knows his base well, and is starting to remember this as the election’s approaching. He isn’t unaware of the disgust people are starting to feel about prancing around the world.
War with Iran is definitely out of the question .. The Islamic Republic’s allied with both China and Russia. Bibzy Nutty&Yahoo can beg and cajole Trump all he wants, but Trump’s too smart to comply .. he already told Bibzy war with Iran’s a no go. So, if Nutty&Yahoo wants a war with Iran, he’s on his own .. the US/UK/NATO won’t lift a finger to help.
I agree on Iran. Iran is a red line fkr both Russia and China. It took Iran some time to accept the truth — there was nothing they could do to appease US, short of a complete surrender of its independence. Iran has a pro-Western wealthy elite that pushed for negotiations, pushed for moderates in Government, for concessions. Over time, such sentiments faded in politics. After the attempt of collective West to exploit rather mondane protests over economic issues by fanning the flames of revolt — it became much clearer. Russia and China — along with other members of SCO — gradually restructured the nature of trade and investments exchange. The shocks of reintroduced sanctions were thus less noticeable. And over time, integraltion into Eurasian trade/investments will increase.
But Iran’s geograpuc position is ideal — on intersection of major Asian routes (Central Asia, Pakistan/India subcontinent,), Russia and Caucases (Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, South Ossetia, Abkhazia), Middle East (both Gulf and Levant), and Mediterranean (Turkey, Greece and Balkans).
But keeping Iran bottled up, major infrastructure connectivity and trade is being deliberately blocked. And by kerping Kurds in charge of Eulhrates valley/Deir Azzor up to Turkish and Iraqi border — an effective string of toll booths are out in place to isolate three neighbors — Turkey, Syria and Iraq.
Whike I agree that Iran”s adventure is not in the cards / I see clearly how Nethayahu and Israel in general, are managing to get their way. He keeps on calling his chits through a vast network of his ideologically committed armies. This cannkt be underestimated. Various Israel supporters — are completely overlapping globalist ideologues. They are overlapping a great deal of financial institutions world wide. Overlapping major IT, telecom and e-commerce platforms. Overlapping major media and entertainment businesses. Those individuals that are powerful interest brokers within these industries — have a major sway over the actions taken by politicians. For as long as they faithfully regurgitate the ideology of global nirvana with no institution being accountable to population left adrift, and stick with foreign policy of “maintaining global footprint” by militarily staying in already established imperial nodes, increasing them gradually, going all out against anything Russian (Russian dressing, Russian composers, and enthusiastic Russian gun lobying female, anything Russian female, not excepted), the Ndthanyahu agenda is moving right aling.
Right now, he will settle for an inch — and his amen chorus world wide would push for that inch. Then the next. Rught now, they are lushing for NATO involvement in Iraq’s US bases, to get Europeans rooed into saying “yes” to few inches at a time. In UK, a clever battle is waged against population, by creating a muddled process designed to feel out just how little Brexit they can implement and still call it Brexit. Hell will freeze over before the City (financial moguls) give up on their networks.
While today, the Ideology has to adapt, coopt, and change colors, it is still holding major keys. Nethanyahu is just riding the crest of that wave for as long as possible.
The only fly in his ointment is — ironically — having to actually do something to keep the vital conflict alive. So, he is bombing Syria, bragging about it, and getting reckless. In fact, he is experimenting with use of regularly scheduled civilian flights to hide bombers. This is forcing Syria to target only missiles. The whole hope and prayer nkw rests upon Syria hitting civilian aircraft, and Rusdia would be blamed for supplying Syria with misdile and aircraft defence technology. This is playing with fire — its targets not exactly friendless and without influence. This is a weakness, as getting militarily involved it ican become victim of unintended consequences, as anybody else.
But in Europe, the Ideology is firmly front and center — even when oposing forces unexpectedly win. Just waiting for populace to get tired of them, and back to the program. Greece has been tamed already, and in Austria — very interestingly, the leadershio is suddenly spouting glibalist dreams of North Africa becoming part of Europe, setting up string of politicians there to lje to polulace about bright Eurolean future. And on, and on it goes.
And should Trump’s base get confused with muddled policies, a whole string of politicians will end up running on pseudo-Trump platform, not being any different then Marco Rubio or Lindsey Graham. Left is non existent as far as any antiwar platform is concerned. Nothing is reverberating in public space having some real traction.
The fact that no bridges exist between conservative and liberal antiwar message is astounding.
It is absolutely imperative that trump fires this war mongering cretin and his war mongering staff-war will reeult in some way if he remains anywhere decisions are made. If two crazies and their staff continue, nitenyahoo and boltono, it is very risky.
Somehow, a glimmer of hope exists, e.g. bolton does not have the authority to decide on withdrawal from Syria.
Yeah, the old ‘good cop/bad cop’ narrative is bullshit. Sooner or later the bad cop is going to get his way. Can his ass. Both of them.
There is more, from Buchanan:
http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/is-bolton-steering-trump-into-war-with-iran/
Bolton’s former deputy, Mira Ricardel, reportedly
told a gathering the shelling into the Green Zone was “an act of war”
to which the U.S. must respond decisively.
Three mortar rounds into a vacant parking lot=act of war Good gad, these people are or were responsible for making national security policy!?
I think we owe a huge vote of gratitude to Melania for getting this war harpy the hell out of the White House!!!
Trump is an infant and Bolton is a hand grenade. Putting both in the same crib is a recipe for catastrophe. When the Pentagon becomes a voice for reason, you know you’re dealing with one dangerous f**king animal. This country is insane.
Iraqis want the US out of their damn country. But the US will never, ever leave without war. It is an invasive parasite that kills the host – surgery is the only option.
In a way, it will be better to have Bolton, Pompousass, and the rest of the neocons and neo-liberals get their way and attack Iran – that is a war that we just may lose without nuking the whole world. The war-happy jerks are doing it for the pleasure of the Zionists – from whom, the jerks expect a cash reward So like the lab rats having learned to push a lever for a treat, will push the lever 24 – 7, until they get a war. Let them have their “fun” in Iran – an honest country (read Viet Nam) can somehow summon the guts to defeat a corrupt bag of crap, even if the b.o.c. has a trillion dollar budget. America’s military needs a refresher course on what happened in Viet Nam.
I hate to wish a war upon Iran, but it seems inevitable. Better them than Russia or China who could turn DC into a green glass memorial.
Hope springs eternally – maybe another fiasco will tarnish the military establishment a deeper shade of black than Viet Nam War did. And if we lose to Iran, maybe Israel will go away.
“Whom he gods would destroy, they first make drunk with power.”
Both China and Russia have been more than blunt about defending Iran from US terror operations. Lets watch more countries boot the dollar into the abyss, and turn against the US. Bolton and Pompeo are a danger to all US citizens both here and abroad.
John Bolton and his National Security Council have nothing whatsoever to do with national security of the USA or anywhere else even Israel. Iran is already embattled, isolated, punished for NO rational reason, and the Pompass, top diplomat “Christian” extremist, makes the situation much worse.
The title of this article is misleading, as it permits the mis-impression that Trump was the one who “Asked Pentagon to Provide Military Option to Attack Iran”. More reasonable would have been, “Bolton Asked Pentagon to Provide Military Option to Attack Iran”.
Not a big deal in any event.
WaPo article: author worries that bolton is under attack; pretty much nails it for me that these zio cons in wapo have no sense of shame! If bolton is not under atk he sure as hell should be after being completely humiliated with knee groveling losses in mid east regurgitating niten’s blather and tripe.
I would guess
kurshner, um trump, have for now decided not to fire this loser but maybe nitin wants a newer and better “white Knight. waiting . . .