Israeli Ambassador to France Aliza bin Noun is under fire for attempts to censor a news report on the situation in the Gaza Strip. The report aired on France 2, despite her demands that it never be aired.
The report, titled “Gaza’s disabled teens,” was an investigative story on Palestinian teens who had been crippled by Israeli sniper fire into the Gaza Strip. This included a number of teens who lost legs, and their difficulty in getting by on a single leg in the strip.
Bin Noun argued that the report on Israeli snipers shooting and crippling teenage civilians “vilifies Israel” and subsequently posed a threat to the French Jewish community. French newspaper Le Monde noted that no one at the Israeli Embassy had even seen the report before protesting that it would be aired, and that bin Noun complained Israel wasn’t allowed to respond even though the Israeli military spokesman was interviewed in the report.
Israeli Embassy officials defend attacking the report without seeing it, saying it was “obvious” it would be one-sided. French media outlets, however, are attacking this as a cynical attempt by Israel to dictate the content of news media and undermining freedom of speech in France.
Maybe it would have been better to think of the reprocussions before doing the massacre Perhaps wantonly killing of the innocent, young children, even the less innocent is bad…… and leads to bad Karma, bad press, pictures & video too. Who could have known that wanton killing isn’t cool anymore. Certainly not the Israelis & Saidis… or so one could think… “Who Me….?????”
I think it is clear that the Israelis are shooting to wound. It looks like about 1% of those shot at die. About a year ago in Las Vegas we ran this experiment. A man shot 5000 bullets of the same military caliber at a crowd of people. About 500 where hit and about 50 died. He was far enough away and shooting fast enough that the fire was random. So if you are shot in some random place by a 5.56mm round you have a 10% chance of death. The Israeli snipers are shooting at much closer range and much more deliberately. They intend to wound.
A crippled teen imposes a financial burden on Gaza for the next 50 years without the political cost of a death. This documentary is putting that strategy at risk. I would say shooting people 100 yards inside their own country is a vile act. I am not allowed to shoot people who don’t like me milling around in the street. I am allowed to shoot people who kick down my front door.
Shooting to blow off legs. That is so much better than shooting to kill. It hardly counts?
No, it is a cynical attempt to create maximum damage at minimum cost.
So did the reporting on the holocaust make the Germans look bad?
It’s not evil for Israel to shoot unarmed protestors.
It is evil to report on it.
Reporting on it puts Jews at risk.
I guess shooting Palestinians does not put Palestinians at risk.
I heard about your buddy in Pittsburgh
It’s not me who supports killing innocent people.That would be you.
You abd him are ine in the same
You are the one who makes excuses for and supports the killing of innocents at the hand of Israel. I oppose the killing of innocents. You are a very sick individual.
You support the same studmff thst guy support s your words are his words
You are the one who cheers on and supports the mass murder of Gazans by the apartheid state. Sick.
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Bathists Khomeni followers and Al Qadists practice apartheid.
You creepy bigot.
Pretty sure Jewish only settlements constitutes apartheid. The very definition in fact. Worse than apartheid in S Africa per Mandela and Tutu.
Israeloffered to give them up.. in 2001
Arafat turned it down
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/08/israel1
Get lost you domestic terrorist
I’m not the traitor who supports a foreign nation that tramples on our free speech, that bribes and extorts our pols into sending $11 million of our American tax dollars to that foreign nation every day and into fighting their wars of aggression in the ME. Justice will be served.
Youare a traitor and a domestic terrorist waanabe
You are are bigot who seeks the overthrow the US government so your ilk can take power
A traitor is someone loyal to a foreign nation Jonathan.
You are loyal to the radicals who want to overthrow the government and take power yourselves.
Youare no patriot just a bigot . with no standing
Actually, no. A traitor is someone who levies war on the United States or supports those who do.
Who decides whether or not someone is levying war on the United States? Congress, by the sole means of declaring that a state of war exists. It hasn’t done so since 1942, so treason is (and traitors are) a legal impossibility at this time.
You ought to consult a dictionary, According to the Cambridge Dictionary, a traitor is “..a person who is not loyal or stops being loyal to their own country.”. As one cannot serve two masters at the same time, Israeli loyalists are by definition traitors. Interesting that you chose to weigh in when I call when I define what a traitor is. This guy has called me the same as the murdered in Pittsburgh and a domestic terrorist and that does not trigger you to respond. Cucking for Israel again are we Mr. Knapp?
And according to the US Constitution (you know, the Supreme Law of that “America” that you claim to put “First,” presumably even before your own manglings of entries from a foreign dictionary?),
“The Congress shall have power … To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water (Article I, Section 8) …. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”
Deflection. Or is it strawman? Mr. Stern is a traitor in the classic sense…his loyalty is not to the nation he lives in but to a foreign nation. He is not guilty of any crime, including treason. Nor did I claim he was. Hence your posting on treason is off point.
Yes, my posting on treason was off point — as was your use of the word “traitor.”
We’re all entitled to our opinions. You’ve made it clear that you find my opinions, and Mr. Stern’s opinions, odious — just as I find his and yours.
It’s not a question of opinion. By the very definition of traitor (see earlier post), Stern is a traitor to America. You can never admit when you have been caught in dishonesty.
If you ever catch me in dishonesty, I’ll admit it right away.
Believe it or not, one CAN be a fan of both the Chiefs and the Steelers, Zeppelin and Dylan, etc.
Really? I point out Stern is a traitor and you prove me wrong of accusing him of treason? I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just being dishonest (the other possibility being a shocking low intelligence).
Yes, Stern is a “traitor” if the word “traitor” means “disagrees with America Firster.”
Otherwise, not so much.
Mr. Stern is a traitor in the classic sense…his loyalty is not to the nation he lives in but to a foreign nation. This is a fact. Not something open to debate.
You assert that his loyalty is not to the nation he lives in but to a foreign nation.
How do you know where he lives?
And how is disagreeing with you on the appropriate foreign policy evidence of where his loyalties lie? The exact same claim could be made vis a vis your views on Iran or Palestine.
First off we can tell he lives in the USA from his posts. Ask him if you don’t believe it.
How do I know where his loyalty lies? Have you already forgotten his taking the side of Israel in the USS Liberty attack? My God, we had a very long go around on this last week.
Gee, I was unaware of the Palestine Lobby or all those pro Palestine billionaires buying our pols and owning our media. Great analogy there Knapp.
Boy you really cannot admit it when you wrong will you? You’ll cling to that sinking ship all the way down.
Yes, he took the side of Israel in the USS Liberty attack.
He believes it was an accident.
You believe it was intentional.
Disagreeing with you on whether it was an accident or intentional carries with it no connotation whatsoever of “loyalty” or “disloyalty” to either the US or Israel.
Whenever I’m wrong, I admit it as quickly as possible, because there’s no point in doing otherwise.
Having better command of English and logic than you is not, however, “being wrong.”
I took the side of CNN and the US govt.
You are not the voice of the US
You are the voice of the bigots
CNN and the YS government agrees with me
Well if the state and it’s propaganda arm say so, it must be true.
That’s the best you can come up with?
Better than your usual infantile name calling I suppose.
I will go with CNN and the state over those like you.
You are not the voice if America
Yoy are the voice of the bigots
It’s not me who calls the survivors of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty liars in support of a foreign nation.
CNN and the U S govt agree with me.
You are not the voice of the forgotten Americanss. You are the voice of the bigots and the shhoter
You are a 9 11 conspricy theorist and a bigot.
Youhave no special standing.
You someone who wants to overthrow the govt and replace it with your gang.
You are an urbanterrorist wannabe.
You are no patriot. You are an enemy of the US
Spin and spin all you can but the facts remain. You support a foreign nations slaughter of dozens of American sailors and call the survivors liars. All in support of a foreign nation. The most bigoted place on earth with its Jewish only settlements and Jewish only roads. One that through it’s Lobby has effectively seized control of the American government and who uses that power to implement wars on behalf of Israel that have killed tens of millions of people not born into the “right” tribe and that has ruined and taken the lives of millions of Americans.
“ruined and taken the lives of millions of Americans”
Now that’s an interesting claim. Care to elaborate on what you mean by it?
Am I to believe you are unaware of the last fifteen years of “The War on Terror” fought against all the Muslim majority nations surrounding Israel (other than those with puppet leaders)? Or that you are ignorant of the fact that millions of Americans have been sent to these wars resulting in deaths and injuries and suicides and opiate addiction and how much damage this has done to them, their families, their communities? Or are you in denial that these wars were created by and fought for Israel and her “American” loyalists aka neocons? I am disgusted that you would question the damage done to these Americans.
Er … no. You can believe anything you want to believe, but what I intended for you to believe is that I found something you said interesting and had a question about it.
Yes, I do believe in the obvious truth. And I re-iterate that find it repugnant that you would be ignorant of it,
Me asking you to elaborate on what you believe indicates only ignorance of the specifics of your intended meaning in that particular instance.
I thought you were trying to say something substantive and wanted to understand it. I apologize for my mistake. I should have known better.
You need elaboration about the unending wars America has been in for the past 15 years? You deny that millions of service people and their families and their communities have suffered tremendously because of it? Just to avoid being shown up? Pathetic.
I didn’t need anything, nor did I deny anything. I asked you to elaborate on something you said. Everything after that boils down to 1) drama queenery from you, and 2) me reminding myself that I should have known better than to expect otherwise.
Here is your comment:
“”ruined and taken the lives of millions of Americans”
Now that’s an interesting claim. Care to elaborate on what you mean by it?”
You just had no idea what has been going on these past 15 years that could have ruined the lives of millions of Americans? I would think even the most ignorant person would know it was either these numerous and endless wars or the opioid epidemic.
You did know this, right? If yes, then why ask? And if you are going to respond with substance free, overly sensitive name calling, then why not just stop doing this?
What I had any idea of or knew was not relevant. I was asking what you were trying to say.
But instead of just elaborating, you wanted to make an ass out of yourself in public, as usual. Mission accomplished, I guess.
What I was trying so say? Pretty clear statement using very simple language. Here it is again “The most bigoted place on earth with its Jewish only settlements and Jewish only roads. One that through it’s Lobby has effectively seized control of the American government and who uses that power to implement wars on behalf of Israel that have killed tens of millions of people not born into the “right” tribe and that has ruined and taken the lives of millions of Americans.”
What about that do you not follow?
I asked you to elaborate on your claim regarding “ruin[ing] and tak[ing] the lives of millions of Americans.”
I expected that you might cite pretty much the things you did cite, but wanted to understand what you were getting at if you had something else in mind.
Thanks for clarifying. Being an asshole about it wasn’t necessary, but presumably that makes you feel better or else you wouldn’t go at it so energetically 24/7.
Here it is again “The most bigoted place on earth with its Jewish only settlements and Jewish only roads. One that through it’s Lobby has effectively seized control of the American government and who uses that power to implement wars on behalf of Israel that have killed tens of millions of people not born into the “right” tribe and that has ruined and taken the lives of millions of Americans.”
What elaboration is needed?
Have you ever been able to reply without name calling? Do you have a condition?
No elaboration was needed. I had a question as to what one part of your post meant, that’s all. You answered the question, but decided to throw in a bit of gratuitous, snobbish, mocking assholery with it. Which is fine. If you want to be an asshole, be an asshole. And I’ll be an asshole right back.
“I asked you to elaborate on your claim”. “No elaboration was needed.” You are a master of the consistent argument. You might want to try to pick on Stern. He is pretty defenseless
I don’t feel the need to “pick on” anyone.
Sometimes I ask Stern questions, or argue against Stern’s opinions, too.
On the whole, I generally agree with you more often than I agree with him. I don’t always find his characterizations of your opinions just, and when I don’t I say so.
The only respect in which I really find him superior to you is not in the content of his opinions, but rather in that he doesn’t feel the need to put on a festival of butt-hurt histrionics every time someone asks him a question.
“I asked you to elaborate on your claim”. “No elaboration was needed.”
It’s over Knapp.
Yes, it was over long ago. But I suppose it never hurts for you to completely discredit yourself in public for the nth time, just so no one forgets and accidentally takes you seriously.
Knapp: “I asked you to elaborate on your claim”.
Knapp: “No elaboration was needed.”
Knapp: “..a festival of butt-hurt histrionics..”
Knapp: “..gratuitous, snobbish, mocking assholery with it. Which is fine. If you want to be an asshole, be an asshole. ..”
Knapp: “Yes, my posting on treason was off point.”
I think it is clear to all — well, perhaps not you — who “..has completely discredit[ed] [him]self in public for the nth time.
“I asked you to elaborate on your claim”. “No elaboration was needed.”
You have been exposed Knapp.
I am a bit worried about your frequent references to butts. “…a festival of butt-hurt…” You likely need help.
The Bathists the Khomeni followers and the Al Qadists are the most serous bigots in the middle east.
Back up you numbers
Which ones would you like to see documented?
Any and all.
10s of millions?
Mr. Stern, I understand that your purpose with that last set of screen shots was merely to document the fact that “America Firster” is a bigot. But guidelines-violating material is guidelines-violating material, even if posted as copy rather than original, so I deleted them just as I would have if “America Firster” had posted the same content here himself or herself.
I guess there would be no problem with screenshots that show him to be a drama queen though.
Well i seem to have convinced you of that So thereis that
And if he is a bigot then that to goes to his credibility.
You didn’t have to convince me that he (or she, I have no idea which) is a bigot. I already knew that.
It’s not against the rules for bigots to post here.
It’s against the rules for anyone, bigot or not, to post e.g. ethnic/racial slurs here, even if they originated with someone else, and even for the purpose of demonstrating what that someone else is.
https://youtu.be/Kt5CDcXoReI
Song for you
I went with CNN and the US government.
You are not the voice of the forotten American you are the voice of the b iogots
You wish to overthrow the govt and replace it with your gang.
Get lost urban terrorist wannabe
You are a traitor posing as a patriot. you just want to put your ilk in power You have no standing
What is this “standing” stuff you’re always babbling about?
Anyone and everyone has “standing” to express an opinion.
Wellis oponion is less than a gum shoe wrapper . and worth than others cause he is a bigot https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48ca0d623aaa792fc6c1020fb3c6ac902aaebb40b8c0d5abe5b5a7903affb599.png
Truth is bigotry?
CNN and the US government agrees with me.
Youare not the voice of the people ..
You are just an the voice of a bigot.
It’s not me who supports a racist apartheid state over his own country.
You dont support your own country. You seek to overthrow the govt and replace it with those like you.
You are not the voice of the forogtten American.. You are just the voice of the bigots .
I will take the word if CNN abd the govt over yours
Israel enemies are racist abd practice aparthied. Yes or no ?
The truth is that Isreal enemies are dmfar more racistthan Israel
Soiry about the quality of the screen shot
He talks about the Jewish role in thr slave trade
No, he he (or she, I have no idea) doesn’t talk about “the Jewish role in the slave trade.” He talks about TALKING about “the Jewish role in the slave trade.” There’s a difference.
The reason he ‘s talking about TALKING about “the Jewish role in the slave trade” rather than talking about “”the Jewish role in the slave trade” is that he’s complaining that when someone tried to assert a collective “Jewish role in the slave trade,” they got shut right down since Antiwar.com doesn’t allow slurs based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc.
No, he he (or she, I have no idea) doesn’t talk about “the Jewish role in the slave trade.” He talks about TALKING about “the Jewish role in the slave trade.” There’s a difference.
The reason he ‘s talking about TALKING about “the Jewish role in the slave trade” rather than talking about “”the Jewish role in the slave trade” is that he’s complaining that when someone tried to assert a collective “Jewish role in the slave trade,” they got shut right down since Antiwar.com doesn’t allow slurs based on race, ethnicity, religion, etc.
I know. We are not allowed to talk about the Jewish role in slavery or the slave trade. Everyone else’s role — sure. But not the Jewish one. Got it.
Of course you’re allowed to spout collective ethnic/racial/religious mythology.
You’re just not allowed to use Antiwar.com’s microphone to do so. Not versus Jews and not versus any other group.
Facts are ethnic/racial/religious mythology? And we are not allowed to “spout them” here at Antiwar? But Stern saying I am the same as the guy who murdered 11 people in Pittsburgh is fine and dandy?
If it was “fine and dandy,” why did I argue against it?
It wasn’t a violation of the guidelines because it was not an ethnic, religious, racial, etc. slur. It was an opinion on your politics.
For the same reasons that I argued against his opinion rather than suppressing that opinion, I argued against your opinion that he’s a “traitor” instead of suppressing that opinion. I did that as a commenter, not a moderator, because policing idiotic opinions isn’t the moderator’s job.
You are a wannabw
You dont get to define loyalty
Youare the same as the terrorst in Pittsburgh
Actually you are the same as that guy. You support the murder of innocents to push an agenda.
I dont think the US ought to give e B to Israel
Please find where I said I support that
Otherwise stfu
Don’t let Israel have any more influence than its already excessive amount in France. BDS and similar movements are punished in France and the Zionist lobby with CRIF and LICRA (AIPAC-like entities)have strong bipartisan support.
israel is a menace to humanity and will continue to be until it is brutally punished, and meant to pay for all of its crimes against humanity for seventy plus years. The sheer impunity, and zeal that Zionists have for targeting civilians is on par with the worst terrorist/ mass murderers in history.
Ah, but what does Bernard-Henri Levy say?
“implement wars on behalf of Israel that have killed tens of millions of people not born into the “right” tribe.” Let’s add it up: I will begin by including only wars fought by and actions taken by the USA and leave Israel out of it. Let’s begin with the 1980s and the Iran Iraq War in which ZOG pushed Saddam to attack Iran and then supplied weapons to both sides to up the carnage. Conservative estimate of 2 million dead. Sanctions against Iraq in then early 1990s: 1 million (Zionist M. Albright famously and publicly stated that the killing of 500,000 kids by the sanctions was worth it”). Gulf War I and aftermath: 100k to 200k. The GWOT since 2003 @ 4 million (and counting) https://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/. Now add in the numbers killed in WWI when the Zionist pressured Wilson to go back on his election campaign promise to stay out (Zionists promised England they would bring America in on the war if England deeded Palestine to the Zionists) and despite the American public’s overwhelming desire to stay out of it. Total count during the war — @ 20 million. How many due to the war being lengthened and made bloodier with US entry — @ 6 to 8 million.
Zog pushed Saddam to invade Iran.
Prove it
CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran.
When in 1980 Saddam Hussain decided to stage a war against Iran, Iraq per se did not have the political will and military might required to launch an attack on the Iranian soil. It was actually the CIA and the Reagan administration(1) who encouraged Iraq to undertake an anti-Iranian offensive from 1980 to 1988(2)
Prove that the US got Saddam to invade Iran
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3426eb3838328c030aa91ae10600593a48a10f4a43e19b8174437b2f13faffd3.png
Source
No Ralph Lopez ( citizen)
Prove it.
Though since Iran was already engaging in proxy war in the mid east .
Well no tears for Khomeni
Amazing. You require that I prove my statement that ZOG pushed Saddam into attacking Iran in the 1980s and I do just that and your reply is prove it. Can’t make this stuff up folks. I see the cowardly Knapp is now calling me a bigot by replying to you and leaving me out of it. As someone who opposes the bigotry of Zionism I am pretty sure that makes me anything but a bigot.
Prove it that zog got saddam to ivade Iran
You are also a drama queen
You did not show that zog got saddam to invade Iran
Nor did you show that the US got Saddam to use chemical weapons https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3426eb3838328c030aa91ae10600593a48a10f4a43e19b8174437b2f13faffd3.png
You are a bigot and drama queen?
Do you have a job?
Reduced to name calling yet again? I guess when you have no argument
https://youtu.be/ggFWwKDnqtg
This documentary is not pro U S yet it shows that Saddam invaded Iran on his own whim.
He was afraid of Iraqi Shia
The gulf states in fact insisted that the US saidewith Iraq
You are such a misinformation artist in addition to being a bigot and a drama queen
You seem like a wuss
Hey drama queen
https://youtu.be/ggFWwKDnqtg
Has it ever occurred to you how Israel and Iran came to be enemies?
Iran was the second Muslim-majority nation to recognize Israel, and the two countries had good, even close, relations for decades, until the Iranian revolution.
Iran was reasonably pro-Israel BEFORE Mossadegh’s National Front came to power, and remained so during his administration. Perhaps if the US had not overthrown that democratically elected government and turned the Shah into a dictator who eventually had to be violently deposed, there wouldn’t have been an anti-Israel backlash when the reckoning of that situation came.
The US creates chaos everywhere it goes, then whines when that chaos comes back to bite it — and its client states — in the ass.
Yes the US screwed up in Iran
The US made huge mistakes in the cold war..
I am also aginst the New Iran sanctions
They help the suptrme leader
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/04/saddam-hussein-said-sanctions-killed-500000-children-that-was-a-spectacular-lie/?utm_term=.95f595492682
The dactions were vaude of Saadam and he lied
Prove that jews vot Saadam to attack Iran
Gulf war I wa because of Saddam
The zionist are responsible for WW 1?
You are a ehaxk job and a bigot
WwI was cause of the Jews?
The iraq sanctions were cause of Saddam
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/04/saddam-hussein-said-sanctions-killed-500000-children-that-was-a-spectacular-lie/?utm_term=.95f595492682
And i dont trust any of your sources either
Ralph Lipez citizen
And you daid jrmews got Saddam to attack Iran
You are such a disinformation artist