A bipartisan resolution was introduced in the House of Representatives Wednesday under the War Powers Act. If the bill is passed, it would formally end US military involvement in the Saudi-led war in Yemen.
The war in Yemen was never authorized by Congress, and US participation has become increasingly controversial, as Saudi airstrikes kill staggering numbers of civilians. This has led to growing resistance within Congress, though Congressional leadership has often sought ways to circumvent the votes.
Last year, the House offered a very similar War Powers Act resolution. Such resolutions are legally required to come up for a vote, though the leadership managed to block that one, and bargain their way down to a non-binding resolution.
Indeed, that bill and a Senate version came with the Pentagon claiming there were no US ground operations in Yemen involved in the war, a claim which later proved to be a lie. That in particlar has added calls for a re-vote.
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA), the lead sponsor, says he is confident that the new version of the bill won’t suffer the same fate, noting that support for the bill has expanded since then.
The support for ending the war both reflects incidents like the Saudi attack on a school bus in August, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s overt circumvention of the 2019 NDAA clause which obliged the US to halt aid to the Saudis until they did more to reduce casualties. Pompeo immediately declared they’d done enough, though the death toll has continued to rise.
Trumpsters, why? Why haven’t you raised holy hell about this clearly illegal intervention by the USA and its puppet-master Satanyahu? Oh, that’s right, it was all Obama’s fault.
You think Israel is the reason for Saidi war in Yemen?
Anti Israel
Derangement syndrome
Nope. Israel is just as much an occupied country as the USA.
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If they were in such “grave danger” how did they get to buy land in Palestine before the establishment of the State of Israel?
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In revenge for Isrsel Isreals enemies persecuted arab jews
And lanched a war of anhilation to expel or kill all the jews in the area even the arab jews
Did you show the picture of Uncle Joe Stalin sitting with FDR and Churchill?
Or copies of future israeli PM Begin’s correspondence with the Germans offering to ally with them against the British? Or photos of the murder of Lord Moyne in 1944 carried out by future israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir?
Nothing like the muftis support of the holocaust
He was a supporter of the holocaust not just a naxi
More proof, as if it were needed, that every day here is Holocaust (TM) Remembrance day…..
Well you would happoly side with the Nazis if they came back
what about lehi and the stern gang?
Nothing like the mufti
Or the Hesbron Massacre
hitler was an awesome guy until the mufti made him do it.
The Mufti was eager to participate
The mufti was a supporter and partipcipant in the holocaust
The mufti did more than just meet Hitler
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The mufi didnt just meet with Hitler he supported and Partipated in the Holocaust
Israel is the reason for the US war against Syria, Iraq, Libya, and Iran. Not one American and not one American dime is worth all of Israel.
Youmean those counties target the US unless the US gives into all their demands regarding Israel
No giving in to Bathists Khomeni followers or Al Qadia supporters
They are notging but bigots who cant be trusted to govern or protect their minority groups
Which countries “target” the US, and with what ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imad_Mughniyah
This is only a start
Iran attacked US forces in Iraq
And Hizbollah taught Al Qaida to build bombs
That Lebanese guy has been dead 10 years. No, Iran did attack US forces in Iraq. Al Qaeda is just as likely US assets. Actually, definitely more likely.
They did attck US forces in Iraq .. They provided shape charges to destroy US Armor
AL Qaida is such a US asset that the US kills them with drone strikes
The US kills all kinds of people, some of which they label Al Qaeda. Are you saying that anyone resisting US invasions are “attacking the US” ? Do you know where the US is ?
The cold war on terror like the cold war is just.
The Khomeni proxy war in the mid east is not
When Hizxbollah hijacks US planes its resisting US invasions?
Lets the Bathists Khomeni followers and the Al Qaidists ought to give up their war.
“When Hizxbollah hijacks US planes its resisting US invasions?” No, just getting even for US support for the zionist enterprise, israeli invasions of Lebanon, etc., etc.
Israel was under attck from lebanon
Anway isreal enemies ought make good on their wrongs before they demand israel destuction
Otherdise the can go to hell
Jonathan, all the known universe, quantum mechanics, fluid dynamics, social science, are governed by the laws of expansion, and resistance. The way to stop resistance of the bulldozer, is to turn off the bulldozer.
Bathism Khomenism and Al Qadia are offensive movements.
The only way they stop going aftrr the US is if the US does not sell weapons to who they dont like
not have commercoal realations with who they dont like and not vote at the UN the way they dont like
Who are the/?
War might be bad . giving into them is worse
No giving in to them
Do you write trump’s speeches ? Your fingers have loose dentures.
You will be in a nursing home well before I will. Did you ever have a job in your life?
Prepare to be stupid forever. Or dont.
10 years aho Iran tried to conquer the mid east by proxy war to control the oil to break the US
Thank goodness for Fracking
Hizzbollah apologist
Tuesday, October 09, 2007
Iran’s Timeline of Terror
I followed the link at the end of the article to his essay published September 11, 2007 at The Claremont Institute. “Iran’s Proxy War Against America, (PDF)” covers the evidence of Iranian links to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups regardless of their Sunni, Shiite or Palestinian sympathies. ……
November 4, 1979
Fifty-two American citizens are taken hostage by “students” loyal to Ayatollah Khomeini. They are held for more than a year, until January 20, 1981. The kidnappings are part of the Iranian revolution, which serves as a model for Sunni terrorist groups like Ayman al-Zawahiri’s Egyptian Islamic Jihad.
April 18, 1983
Iran’s master terrorist, Imad Mugniyah, orchestrates the first significant Islamist suicide attack against America: the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. Establishing a modus operandi for terrorists in the years to come, the attacker utilizes a van packed with explosives.
October 23, 1983 Using massive truck bombs, Hezbollah’s suicide bombers simultaneously attack the U.S. Marine Barracks and a housing complex for French Paratroopers in Beirut, Lebanon. Al-Qaeda would later adopt simultaneous suicide bombings as its preferred method for committing attacks.
December 12, 1983
Iranian-backed terrorists bomb the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait. A close relative of Imad Mugniyah is convicted by a Kuwaiti court and sentenced to death for his role in the bombing. Other attackers,
also supported by Iran, are imprisoned. The terrorists come to be known as the “Kuwait 17” or “Dawa 17.” 75 iran’s proxy war against america
March 16, 1984
William Buckley, the CIA’s station chief in Beirut, is kidnapped and later tortured-to-death by Imad Mugniyah’s Hezbollah. Buckley’s kidnapping is one in a series of Hezbollah’s kidnappings from the early 1980s through the early 1990s. Dozens of Americans are kidnapped and Hezbollah frequently demands an exchange for the Kuwait 17. Hezbollah’s kidnappings lead to the biggest scandal of President Ronald Reagan’s tenure, the Iran-Contra affair, after the Reagan administration agrees to exchange arms for the hostages.
September 20, 1984
Hezbollah terrorists strike the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut with a truck bomb.
December 3, 1984
Mugniyah’s operatives hijack Kuwait Airways Flight 221. The hijackers attempt to barter for the release of the Kuwait 17.
June 14, 1985
Mugniyah’s terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847. Once again, the hijackers attempt to barter for the release of the Kuwait 17. When the hijackers’ demands are denied, they beat and kill a U.S. Navy serviceman, Robert Dean Stethem, who happened to be on the flight. Incredibly, Germany granted parole to one of the hijackers in December 2005.
According to Ali Mohamed, a top al-Qaeda operative in U.S. custody, Ayman al-Zawahiri’s Egyptian Islamic Jihad partners with Iran in a planned coup attempt in Egypt. Tehran trains EIJ terrorists for the coup attempt, which is ultimately aborted. Iran also pays al-Zawahiri $2 million for sensitive information concerning 76 national security studies the Egyptian Government’s plans to raid several islands in the Persian Gulf.
1991
Iran and Sudan, then the world’s only Islamist states, forge a strategic alliance. They begin to jointly export terrorism throughout the world.
April 1991
Hassan al-Turabi hosts the first Popular Arab Islamic Conference in Sudan. The conference provides a forum for disparate forces in the Middle East who oppose American presence in the region to come together. Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iraqi and Iranian representatives all attend the meeting.
February 26, 1993
Terrorists connected to al-Qaeda and the global terror network bomb the World Trade Center using a rental truck packed with explosives. The bombers’ colleagues plot a follow-on attack against landmarks in the NYC area. There is no known evidence that Iran had a hand in these events. It is clear, however, that several of the plotters had ties to Hassan al-Turabi’s Sudan. Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the spiritual leader of the two leading Egyptian terrorist groups (both of which will join al- Qaeda) and who was living in the New York metropolitan area, is later convicted for his involvement in the attacks. Reports surface that he and his organization received financial assistance from Iran.
1993
According to Ali Mohamed, Imad Mugniyah and Osama bin Laden meet in Sudan. Bin Laden expresses his desire to model al- Qaeda after Hezbollah. In particular, bin Laden expresses interest in Mugniyah’s bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut in 1983 77 iran’s proxy war against america and similar attacks. They agree to work together against America and the West.
1993
According to Jamal al-Fadl, an al-Qaeda operative in U.S. custody, bin Laden meets a leading Iranian sheikh in Sudan. The purpose of the meeting is to put aside any differences between their competing brands of Islam in order to come together against their common enemy: the West. The meeting is just the first of several between bin Laden and Iran’s spiritual leaders.
1993
Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps train al- Qaeda’s terrorists in camps in Sudan, Lebanon and Iran. Among the terrorists trained are some of bin Laden’s most trusted lieutenants and al-Qaeda’s future leaders.
1993
Egypt and Algeria cut off diplomatic ties with Iran. Both nations accuse Iran and Sudan of supporting Sunni terrorism, including terrorist groups affiliated with al-Qaeda. Egypt will blame Iran for supporting both the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Group throughout the 1990’s.
November 13, 1995
Two bombs are detonated, nearly simultaneously, at the Saudi National Guard training facility in Riyadh, killing five Americans. The suspects are captured and confess to being inspired by Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden denies responsibility, but praises the attack. It is likely al-Qaeda’s first terrorist attack inside the Saudi Kingdom. 78 national security studies
November 19, 1995
An al-Qaeda suicide bomber destroys the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. The CIA’s Bob Baer later learns that Mugniyah’s deputy assisted al-Qaeda in the attack and that one of bin Laden’s top terrorists remained in contact with Mugniyah’s offi ce months afterwards.
May 1996
Bin Laden is expelled from Sudan, but the 9/11 Commission reports that “intelligence indicates the persistance of contacts” between al-Qaeda and Iran even after al-Qaeda’s relocation to Afghanistan. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda maintain an ongoing presence in Sudan, despite not being “formally” welcome.
June 21 – 23, 1996
Tehran hosts a summit for the leading Sunni and Shiite terrorist groups. It is announced that the terrorists will continue to focus on U.S. interests thoughout the region. Mugniyah, bin Laden, and a leading member of the EIJ reportedly forge the “Committee of Three,” under the leadership of Iran’s intelligence chief, to focus their joint efforts against American targets.
June 25, 1996
Hezbollah terrorists, operating under the direction of senior Iranian officials, bomb the Khobar Towers apartment complex in Saudi Arabia. Contemporaneous reports by both the State Department and the CIA note that al-Qaeda is also suspected of playing a role. The 9/11 Commission would later find “indirect evidence” of al-Qaeda’s involvement. The evidence includes intelligence indicating that al-Qaeda was planning a similar operation in the months prior and that bin Laden was congratulated by other al-Qaeda operatives, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, shortly after the attack. 79 iran’s proxy war against america
July 1996
According to Bob Baer, the Egyptian Islamic Group—an ally of bin Laden’s al-Qaeda—is in contact with Mugniyah.
1996
According to Bob Baer, there is “incontrovertible evidence” of a meeting between bin Laden and a representative of the Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS).
August 7, 1998
Al-Qaeda’s suicide bombers simultaneously destroy the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. It is al-Qaeda’s most spectacular attack prior to 9/11. The attack is clearly modeled on Hezbollah’s attacks in the early 1980s. Indeed, the al-Qaeda terrorists responsible were trained by Hezbollah in the early 1990s. There is evidence that Iran also provided explosives used in the attack.
October – November 2000
Imad Mugniyah and his lieutenants personally escort several of the 9/11 muscle hijackers out of Saudi Arabia on flights to Beirut and Iran. In all, eight to ten of the hijackers travel through Iran on the way to 9/11.
December 2000
Ramzi Binalshibh, al-Qaeda’s key point man for the 9/11 plot, applies for visa at the Iranian Embassy in Berlin. His visa application is approved.
January 31, 2001
Ramzi Binalshibh arrives at Tehran International airport. He does not return to Germany until February 28, 2001. The purpose of his trip to Iran remains a mystery. The 9/11 Commission does not mention Binalshibh’s trip to Iran. 80 national security studies
Early September 2001
Binalshibh flees to Iran shortly before the 9/11 attacks.
September 11, 2001
Nineteen al-Qaeda hijackers execute al-Qaeda’s largest operation to date, killing nearly 3000 Americans. Many of the details surrounding the plot, including who financed the attack, remain a mystery.
October 2001
According to a high-level Taliban detainee at Gitmo, Iran offers the Taliban Government assistance in retreating from Afghanistan.
October 2001
Numerous press reports indicate that Iran aids the retreat of hundreds of al-Qaeda and Taliban members from Afghanistan. Some al-Qaeda operatives enjoy safehaven in Iran to this day. Among them is Said al-Adel, who is reportedly the third highest ranking member of al-Qaeda and was trained by Hezbollah during the early 1990s, and Saad bin Laden, Osama’s heir apparent.
April 11, 2002
Al-Qaeda carries out the first attack ordered by bin Laden since 9/11: a suicide bomber destroys a synagogue in Tunisia, killing nineteen people. According to NBC News, Saad bin Laden contacted the cell responsible for the attack from his safehaven in Iran. Suleiman Abu Ghaith, bin Laden’s spokesman, also claims al-Qaeda’s responsibility for the attack from his abode in Iran.
End of 2002 – Spring 2003
According to former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet, senior al-Qaeda leaders discuss the acquisition of nuclear weapons from their safe haven in Iran. In fact, al-Qaeda’s “nuclear 81 iran’s proxy war against america chief,” Abdel al-Aziz al-Masri, is one of many senior terrorists living in Iran.
May 12, 2003
Under orders from Saif al-Adel and Saad bin Laden, who are operating from Iran, al-Qaeda’s terrorists simultaneously strike three separate housing complexes in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. Another al- Qaeda agent thought to be responsible for the attack flees to Iran before he can be captured.
May 16, 2003
One dozen al-Qaeda bombers attack several targets in Casablanca, Morocco. Saad bin Laden, living in Iran, is reportedly in contact with the cell shortly before the attack.
2004 – present
Iran supplies advanced IED technology to the insurgents in Iraq. There is growing evidence of Iranian support for both Sunni and Shiite insurgency groups in Iraq. Iran continues to harbor senior al-Qaeda leaders as the terrorist network reorganizes.
January 20, 2007
IRGC and Hezbollah terrorists kill five American soldiers in Karbala, Iraq
January 2007 – present
Numerous IRGC and Hezbollah terrorists, who are responsible for arming and training terrorist groups in Iraq, are captured by American and Iraqi forces. 82 national security studies.
http://demediacraticnation.blogspot.com/2007/10/irans-timeline-of-terror.html
Just curious how would you describe this?
The US let stuff go on and the result was 9 11
The US let 911 go on. Corrected, no charge.
Prove it.
You’re pathetically ironic, splurge bs, then tell me to prove something
WHY WOULD THE US LET 9-11 GO ON YOU WHACK JOB?
To convince saps like you to support forever war. Worked.
http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm
The US involved itself in the dispute between Iraq and Kuwait, and then left a permanent presence in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. After many warnings and several prior attacks, having still not got the message, the result was 9 11.
That might be part of the cause the other cause is than Bin Laden was a m aggressive totaltarian bigot and so are his supporters.
Also Saddam wanted to use the oil weapon to bust the west and blackmail them into giving into his various demands the US in particular.. So there is that
We ought not exclude anything from this dicussion.
You ppint maybe correct but it is only one aspect.
Bin Laden also dreamed of getting control of all mid east oil to blackmail the west
The same goes for Khomeniand his gang
Let’s also not forget the other reason given…. the deaths of 500,000 mostly Sunni children who died due to US sanctions on Iraq. Under Clinton btw.
that was Saddam , not the sanctions
Nope. You can blame anyone, but the UN officials involved were clear… it was the sanctions.
By the way, one can always blame the victims. “If only the Iraqi people had overthrown Saddam Hussein, they wouldn’t have suffered” . If only such and such a people, country, group etc had surrendered, they wouldn’t have suffered. If only a people had left, they wouldn’t have been murdered.
Careful. That excuse has been used before. It is despicable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/04/saddam-hussein-said-sanctions-killed-500000-children-that-was-a-spectacular-lie/?utm_term=.912e1356918a
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/04/saddam-hussein-said-sanctions-killed-500000-children-that-was-a-spectacular-lie/?utm_term=.ae34791d2f3f
BEIRUT — During the rush to wage war in Iraq in the early 2000s, one figure widely cited both to justify and oppose the U.S.-led invasion was that more than 500,000 children had died as a result of U.N.-imposed sanctions in the previous decade.
Nearly two decades later, researchers at the London School of Economics have concluded that the figure simply wasn’t true.
Instead, child mortality figures provided to the United Nations were deliberately doctored by Saddam Hussein’s government to discredit the international community, the researchers said in a new report published by the British Medical Journal of Global Health.
“The government of Iraq cleverly manipulated survey data to fool the international community,” the report said, describing the figure of 500,000 deaths as “a massive fraud.”
I know where Iran is .. Attacking US in Iraq was attxking the US.
Just curious why do you condemn the UsFor sending somdiers to other counties but support ziran going to other counties?
Anyeay Khamani is a fascist bigot.
What he wants is not legitimate
Your attitude is why this site needs to exist.
Advocate for Khomeni?
Hozzbollah let Al Qaeda build bombs
Iran played around with Al Qaeda before 9-11
Now they are getting blow back in Syria ,.
Assad helped encouraged the Jihadists in Iraq against the US
Now he is getting blow back
So one day the Iraqis are capable of building an atom bomb and the next day they can’t make a shaped charge? Yeah, right, whatever suits the needs of israel’s agents here.
Iran shaped charges.
The industrial capacity was busted up in Iraq.
Stop making excuses for the radical Ayatollahs of Iran
Sure, as soon as you register as an agent of a foreign power as US law requires.
I am not a foreign agent but you are a bigot
You are no patriot. You dont speak for the US . No one elected you
You register as an agent dedicated to the violent overthrow of the US government
Ah, the “bigot” defense. Anyone that does not buy into Israel first is a bigot. So thread bare.
You are a bigot
And a waste of O2
A callous disregard of children… And somehow I’m a bigot.
So now the truth shows it’s ugly head. Anyonewho doesn’t tow the line on your position is a bigot. Even if that one happened to be Jewish. Then, of course, he or she wouldbe called a “traitor” or such. So thread bare. So predictable. Yawn.
you are a bigot and a fascist . Your statements show what you are .
LOL. Facism is a big government political ideology. Aggressive in nature.
Look into a mirror and you will see a advocate.
Saddam did it .
You have no problem with etthnic cleansing and apartheid as long as the targets are jews
That’s pretty funny if you knew. But, just for laughs, where exactly have I advocated apartheid or ethnic cleansing on any one? Any group? Any place? Any time?
And notice I’m not the one who used the phrase; “waste of O2” was I? But itis telling. Kinda of slipped out on you didn’t it?
But that is what Israels enemies do .
Hizzbollah is a hate group
The Bathists are a hate group
Al Qaeda is a hate group
Called blowback.
excuse maker for Saddam, Khomeni and Bin Laden
Al-Qaeda Has Rebuilt Itself—With Iran’s Help
Interviews with al-Qaeda members and bin Laden’s family reveal a pact that allowed the group to prepare for its next phase.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/11/al-qaeda-iran-cia/545576/
U.S. intelligence officials and some terror experts say Saif Al-Adel has been living in the eastern border regions of Iran under the protection of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, or Pasdaran, an elite military force under the direct control of the Islamic republic’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
And it was from the Iran-Afghan border region, according to intelligence sources, that Al-Adel oversaw the attacks in Riyadh.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=79487&page=1
Hizzbollah is a hate group
The Bathists are a hate group
Al Qaeda is a hate group
Yep.
IDF and Likud are hate groups too.
There are muslims and arab isrealis in the IDF
Tje IDF even bombs Isis for Egypt
The IDF is not out to get arabs or all muslims
How many jews are in lebanon or arab lands? How many zreally sucessful jews are in lands ruled by Israels enemies?
They will do to mid east jews what Saddam did to the kurds. 100,000
See Al Qada kill sufis or Shias
They blow up Shia and sufi mosques
Hizzbollah blew up the Jewish community center in Argentina
The target was not Isreal the target was jews.
Go ahead make the comparison
“There are muslims and arab isrealis in the IDF”
So? If being a Muslim or Arab makes one automagically not a terrorist, then none of the groups you named are terrorists either.
The groups you name murder civilians for political purposes.
So does the IDF.
So do the US armed forces.
Groups that commit terrorist acts are terrorist groups.
How many jews are in the militaries of Israels enemies? That is why i brought it up
And Iran and Hizzbollah bombed the Jewish community center in Argentina
And Israel and Mossad murdered a waiter in Norway.
Your definition of “terrorist” seems to be “people who kill innocent people — but only if the killers aren’t Jews.”
Was the eiter the target? Can you gibe me more
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting innocents directly
I looked it up they got the wrong guy they thought he eas someone else
Let the record show that Israel paid compensation 283 000 dollars ( was worth more at the time )to the waiters widow
According to Wikipedia
On yhe otherhand Irans attack wasnt an accident.
Anyway Jews can be terrorsts like Barch Goldstein or the most radicsl settlers
So what you said about my definition is wrong
That opens the door for the world’s biggest supplier of war toys to be held responsible for damn near any and every “attack” that takes place worldwide.
stop apologizing for Iran
Took you two days to come up with that? How about refuting what I said? We supplied Saddam with weapons in the Iraq/Iran war, so by your reasoning, we are responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths that Iran incurred in that war. Stop being a moronic troll.
the US supplied Iraq with “WEAPONs”? show it
France and Russia supplied Saddam with Weapons
but the US supported Saddam cause Khomeni was a fascist bigot just like Saddam and Bin Laden
Prove what? We don’t even deny it. But that’s not the point. We supply the world with weaponry and our weapons are responsible for deaths all over the globe. Even the most moronic troll can’t deny that.
show the US gave Saddam with weapons? Show it.
And Khomeni was out to get the US anyway
Anyway you are changing the subject .
You are such a zombie
Truth be told US Weapons saved a lot of lives. For instance it would have been terrible of North Korea conquered South Korea. It would have been terrible if the USSR had conquered Europe. I am sure the Kurds are thankful for US weapons
What is with this “show it” nonsense? It hasn’t been a secret for decades at this point.
The US gave Saddam replacement parts and ammunition for Soviet weapons under the “Bear Spares” program and funded its chemical and biological weapons programs through credits for “agriculture equipment” — specifically, insecticide production equipment (nerve agents are essentially concentrated instecticide) (US Senate Committee on Banking, House, and Urban Affairs 1994 report on “US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual Use Exports to Iraq and their Possible Impact on the Health Consequences of the Gulf War,” aka the Riegel Report).
I dont see any M 1 Tanks or F-16s
insecticide production equipment
replacement parts and ammunition for Soviet weapons
None of that stuff was the stuff that made Iraq scary to some.
Iraq had 1 M soldiers 5700 Tanks 250 combat aircraft
scuds amd a nuclear weapons program
US had nothing to do with any of that.
The ones who really built up Saddam were Russia France and Germany .
The US doesn’t make T 72 Tanks or Mirage aircraft.
The US did, however, make F-4 Phantoms — like the Iraqi air force one I watched get shot down over al Jubail, Saudi Arabia.
You asked me to show you that the US provided Iraq with weapons. I did. The US provided Iraq with chemical weapons production equipment. The US provided Iraq with Soviet ammunition and aircraft parts. The US sold old/surplus aircraft and other weapons to Iraq as well. Those are facts. You don’t have to like them. They’re facts whether you like them or not.
Of course, the US also provided Iran with weapons — TOW missiles — via Israel.
I didn’t change the subject. You are the one that said Iran attacked the US because their weaponry killed US soldiers in Iraq and that is what I responded to. Your response was that I was an Iran apologist. A typical troll response. That was the subject. Our weaponry kills more people worldwide than anything Iran or any of the rest of the world provides COMBINED.
Use arms prevented the bad guys from winning
They saved lives
Stop apologizing for Iran s war against the US
Saving lives by killing 20 million since WW2?
Iran’s war with the US? That’s funny.
Troll on, moron.
looking back on it
When Saddam and Khomeni were at it was a great thing. Should have never tried to stop that war.
As long as they were fighting each other they had less energy to hurt others.
If there was ever a case for non intervention that was it. Should have never tried to stop the war between Khomeni and Saddam
And Israel protects them. But notice that the US mostly only uses token strikes against them.
Isteal bombs Isis as they have for Egypt
Freudian slip. “I steal”. I assume you meant “Israel” ?
By the way, reference to “Israel protects” was about al Qaeda. not Isis. Although Yaalon reporting Isis apologizing to the IDF for a mistaken attack in the Golan Heights was telling. That must be the bombing against Isis. you were referring to. A one off. The
Sinai attacks on Isis were largely political cover. Although one could understand Isis making the mistake of setting up so close to the Israeli border. Exactly what al Qaeda and other Jihadists did on Israel’s border with Syria.
Lots of reports of Israel aiding al Qaeda though.
lots of reports ?
Israel helps Al Qaeda? show it . I mean w/o using radical sites.
Any site that isn’t pro Israel is radical by your defination. As for the report you cite, multiple other studies support the allegations of huge increases in child mortality.
Although the numbers vary, they are still huge.
IT was Saddam ,
That is what Bathists do
Nope. It is hsppens when a powerful country meddles in other countries.
Saddam apologist
Khomeni apologist
Bigot
THE TRUTH
Saddam Hussein said sanctions killed 500,000 children. That was ‘a spectacular lie.’
By Liz Sly
August 4, 2017
Child mortality figures provided to the United Nations were deliberately doctored by Saddam Hussein’s government to discredit the international community, a new report finds. (Enric Marti/AP)
BEIRUT — During the rush to wage war in Iraq in the early 2000s, one figure widely cited both to justify and oppose the U.S.-led invasion was that more than 500,000 children had died as a result of U.N.-imposed sanctions in the previous decade.
Nearly two decades later, researchers at the London School of Economics have concluded that the figure simply wasn’t true.
Instead, child mortality figures provided to the United Nations were deliberately doctored by Saddam Hussein’s government to discredit the international community, the researchers said in a new report published by the British Medical Journal of Global Health.
“The government of Iraq cleverly manipulated survey data to fool the international community,” the report said, describing the figure of 500,000 deaths as “a massive fraud.”
Nope. They died due to US foreign policy in the Middle East. That policy is due in a large part from Israeli influence in the US govenment. Beware. The blowback from this can go in unforseen directions.
They died cause of The Bathists , and Saddam
Saddam apologist
Khomeni apologist
When in doubt revert back to answers only trolls can give.
When in foubt come back with zombie answers and apolgize for Irans war against the US
Which war is that? Did Iran withdraw from the JCPOA? Is Iran imposing devastating sanctions against the US? Did Iran’s president go on all caps twitter tirade threatening the destruction of the US? Of course not but never mind anything like facts. Now go ahead and respond with your troll tripe.
I favored staying in the nuclear deal
Wasnt a great deal but i didnt want to give Khamani any excuses
Does not change years of Iranian support for terror and war against the US
The us ought have stayed in the nuclear deal and gotten the EU to ramp up danctions on Hizzbollah.
Hizzbollah was not part of the nuclear deal. Going after Hizzbollah was a better eay of getting at Iran.
And of course keep investing in alternative energy ,fracking and missile defense.
By David D. Kirkpatrick
Feb. 3, 2018
The jihadists in Egypt’s Northern Sinai had killed hundreds of soldiers and police officers, pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, briefly seized a major town and begun setting up armed checkpoints to claim territory. In late 2015, they brought down a Russian passenger jet.
Egypt appeared unable to stop them, so Israel, alarmed at the threat just over the border, took action.
For more than two years, unmarked Israeli drones, helicopters and jets have carried out a covert air campaign, conducting more than 100 airstrikes inside Egypt, frequently more than once a week — and all with the approval of President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/world/middleeast/israel-airstrikes-sinai-egypt.html
You didn’t address my previous comment, so I assume you have no real response.
show that Israel protects Al Qaeda
Try any search engine. You do know how to do that right?
show it Khomeni apologist Saddam apologist.
What were US forces doing in Iraq, Sterngang?
Hizbollah was started by Israel and protects Lebanon from the constant Israeli attacks. Read your history.
They attack from time to time like 2006 even though Isreal withdrew
i sure hope you are not payed hasbara, because this is per-school levels of propaganda,
And you area natural bigot
either you are larping as a zionist, or you are one of the causes of antisemitism
The cause of anti-semitism is anti-semites.
calling someone a “natural bigot” is a trope pushed by places like the “discovery seminar” at aish ha-torah in Jerusalem, which i have attended and the basic thesis of the lecture i attended is that antisemitism is a universal trait of goyim, derived from jealousy and inferiority.
to say “The cause of anti-semitism is anti-semites.” is to claim the same thing, that non-jews inherently hate jews and are only looking for some cover to express it.
I’m not claiming that non-Jews inherently hate Jews.
I’m claiming that people who hate Jews hate Jews.
Anti-semitism is a human belief/behavior. It is caused by the humans who believe/behave it.
Similarly, the cause of rock music is rock musicians.
I’m not claiming that non-Jews inherently hate Jews.
I’m claiming that people who hate Jews hate Jews.
Anti-semitism is a human belief/behavior. It is caused by the humans who believe/behave it.
Similarly, the cause of rock music is rock musicians.
Human beliefs are shaped by there interaction with the world, if holding an opinion on the behavior of the state of israel, has them label by those around them as antisemites there is some amount of people who will internalize that, and so i stand by my statement that calling criticism of israel as “natual bigotry” as the comment i initially respond to does is infact (albeit a small one) a cause of antisemitism
Interesting proposition.
Criticizing the state of Israel is not itself anti-semitic.
Labeling people who criticize the state of Israel anti-semites absent any evidence that the critic/criticism is driven by hatred of Jews is of course a heinous tactic of distraction.
People who internalize that tactic are responsible for internalizing that tactic. If they use it as an excuse to become actual anti-semites, that’s on them.
pointing to a cause of actions and beliefs in no way absolves people who carry out that action or hold that belief.
we are just talking in circles and im sure you know what i mean.
“the cause of rock music is rock musicians”
“the cause of libertarianism is libertarians” is a nonsensical statement.
He’s so into his delusions he can’t fathom the harm he’s doing to the Jewish people.
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sambor71 O rly • 2 days ago
He’s so into his delusions he can’t fathom the harm he’s doing to the Jewish people.
Why did Hizbollah bomb the Jewish community center in Argentina?
Hizzbollah is out to destroy Israel . They don’t just hate Israel they hate Jews too. They bombed the Jewish community center in Argentina
Stop apologizing for those who attack the US
Why was the USA Iraq in the first place? Could it have been because Israel claimed WMD? Or that the pro Israel media pushed the lie? Or that Netanyahu addressed Congress and assured them and the American people US troops would be received with cheers and flowers.
Don’t get me wrong, I never accepted the lie. I saw too much of that throughout the years to believe such.
There were several reasons for the Iraq war. Israel was one them but by no means the only reason stupid.
The main reason was an attempt to use Iraq as a military base. Other reasons were revenge for 9–11 by invading the mid east . Revenge against Saddam for trying to kill the first George Bush and oil. Plus the US really thought Saddam had WMDs
Nope. Documents from Israel and the USA and testimony from intelligence agencies show that neither countries leaders actually believed the WMD claim.
Show it
BEIRUT — During the rush to wage war in Iraq in the early 2000s, one figure widely cited both to justify and oppose the U.S.-led invasion was that more than 500,000 children had died as a result of U.N.-imposed sanctions in the previous decade.
Nearly two decades later, researchers at the London School of Economics have concluded that the figure simply wasn’t true.
Instead, child mortality figures provided to the United Nations were deliberately doctored by Saddam Hussein’s government to discredit the international community, the researchers said in a new report published by the British Medical Journal of Global Health.
“The government of Iraq cleverly manipulated survey data to fool the international community,” the report said, describing the figure of 500,000 deaths as “a massive fraud.”
Why was the USA Iraq in the first place?
sambor71 response to Iranian sponsored attacks on US forces
response noted
Ah. Now the threats emerge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stethem
Khagafybombed a US airliner
Lebanese non-state actors…all dead.
10 uears ago the goal of iran qas to get control of midest oil to break the US
Tk you for Fracking tech
Actors of Khamani who is still around
You are incredible. The USA completely destroyed Libya, the African country with the highest standard of living, so that now it is in ruins and as Gaddaffi said, Europe has the resulting exodus arriving in boats.
Khaddafy terrorist aircraft bomber
Got what he deserved
You read something that was not there. Israel paranoia???
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a575ffa7424643ab2032f3ace68a54eb59e41a15aab9b8f83cdfbde4e7e9a96e.jpg
So sayeth the unregistered israeli agent….
So sayth the assadadand putin suppoter
Creepy bigot.
If you folks didn’t have the Holocaust (TM) and ad hominem attacks, you’d have virtually nothing to say.
Without your hate of jrws you would not have much to do
Joao Alfaiate Jonathan Stern • 2 days ago
If you folks didn’t have the Holocaust (TM) and ad hominem attacks, you’d have virtually nothing to say.
got your post for the record
Thank-you.
What I have written, I have written and I’m pleased you think it’s worth remembering too.
Moron.
America doesn’t need to help Saudi Arabia in Yemen and we shouldn’t be there.I understand the reason the Saudis are there but,the starving of children the same way Assads military with Russia’s assistance did is not the answer. Just because Syria’s military backed up by, Russian war jets killed many children and ,there families and, where allowed to get away with it doesn’t make it right .I know sites like this one would try to give conflicting accounts weren’t accurately reporting what Russia’s and Syria’s military where doing to the people of Syria. Seems kind of biased to call out America for helping and ally for, using the very same tactics the Russians where using when they went into Syria to help there ally Assad. I guess in Mr.Ditz’s Antiwar world Russia starving and killing people on behalf of Syria is o.k.but,when America does it we’re evil and it’s just so wrong. SMH….If you want to be taken seriously about being Antiwar than, stop picking favorites, a bomb dropped on a family in Syria from a Syrian jet backed by Russia is just as WRONG as a bomb dropped from a Saudi Arabian jet supplied by America. STOP BEING BIASED WAR IS WAR ,IF YOU CAN’T CALL OUT ALL THE ACTORS IN THE REGION FOR WHAT THEY’RE DOING, JUST STOP WRITING THESE STORIES ALREADY. YOU’RE DOING A DIS-SERVICE TO THE “TRUE” ANTIWAR MOVEMENT to the people who truly believe in the cause.War is war and shouldn’t be used to promote one sides agenda or help peddle its propaganda .
Between the grammar, spelling and composition issues it’s pretty hard to make out what you’re saying, but I’m glad you aren’t supportive of US involvement in the Saudi war on Yemen. A difference in emphasis is appropriate on this site, to balance the bias in corporate media, and because many of us are Americans. We are responsible for what America does, it is not our responsibility or right to attack Russia to stop them from doing things we may disapprove of. We have plenty of our own actions to correct within our rightful jurisdiction. All of Earth is NOT our jurisdiction.
Same as all on Earth isn’t Russia’s jurisdiction. It’s like I ALWAYS say, they’re all the same just, different flags.
Russia is regional compared to us being global. Not the same.
So it’s subs can’t breach or waters,it doesn’t have a blue water navy,it’s hypersonic missiles can’t deliver? I’m pretty sure they’re a global threat, and America respects that capability.
Russia doesn’t have 800 bases spread out over the globe and they don’t invade countries on the other side of that globe. You know, regional as compared to global. Having equal nukes doesn’t make their imperialism equal to ours. Not even close.
See the Soviets who kept half of Europe a prison and created North Korea
The Soviet Union no longer exists. We’re talking about the US and Russia. Do everyone a favor and stop commenting.
no kangaroo court for you or your kind
Putin is the Soviet Union Part II . okay a second rate copy without the ideology
Right. When in doubt, just make s**t up.
make what up?
the Soviet Union’s collapse the “biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”
Russian President Vladimir Putin
Ribald “what aboutism “, but here’s the reply….Assad brought the Russians in to counter US/Saudi/Israeli attempts at regime change during the arab spring. Wiki “cause and effect” before proceeding further. Oh, and read it.
Iran is out to destroy Isreal seems like fair play
For those scoring at home, prior to midterms, the last vote…45 GOP, 9 dem….for the war…..39 dems, 5 Gop….against. For those who don’t believe voting matters, you might as well be loading the bombs.
For those scoring such things, the Democrat party had both houses of Congress and the White House and the Wars continued and expanded. The token contrived vote “against” the wars was shear political posturing. Note when military budgets are passed, Democrats overwhelming vote for the bloated budget.
Note when Obama was elected, the anti war protests STOPPED. Proof that those protests weren’t about wars, but about political posturing.
How exactly does that change the arithmetic?
It shows that the Democrats would continue the wars if they were in power. They only mildly pretend to be against US interventionist foreign policy to deceive the public. Both the GOP and Democrats are part and parcel of the same establishment. . “…Wings of the same bird of prey”.
I think your intentions are good Dave, but your political philosophy is based on guns and violence. You would further empower a system that draws psychopaths to it. The only way to end the carnage is to deny it the fuel that allows it to run. That means the money and the centralized authority. to
If you believe in socialism, then OK. Go for it. Pick a locality, a state, a region or whatever. and give it a try. Vote by county say. Those that live there have the right to choose to sell their property and move. Those that want to move into that area can do so. We can see how it will work out.
But don’t attempt to do so at the point of a bayonet on a national or supranational basis. If successful, this would destroy the very fabric of civilization.
Simply speaking, would you be willing to imprison or kill me to implement your political ideology?
I dont see that me, encouraging a Democrat rather than GOP vote in the upcoming election, based on an accounting of war votes, on an antiwar site, threatens you with prison or death.
You might want to reread my comment. It was about Socialism.
Then you might want to read my previous comment. That one was about you implying the the Democrats are any better on the war issue/foreign policy/intervention.
Honestly, your last two replies were disingenuous.
My response concerns Congress, not the executive branch. This last military budget vote was certainly disappointing from the dems. Yet, over the years since Carter, you are wrong, the dems have a far superior record on war votes. The problem, is that Republicans keep getting elected, even supported by the antiwar right which fails to follow congressional votes on war. I dont know what socialism has to do with it. The military represents the most undemocratic institution in the republic. When they are curbed, we can discuss the best way to distribute apples.
Who knew. The Democrats had control of both houses of Congress and the White House for 6 years during this period. The wars continued. In fact expanded
Again, the vote you cite is meaningless. It’s safe to vote and pretend when you know that your vote will not matter.
This isn’t arithmetic. Frankly it’s absurd to claim some vote in Congress is anything other than a political deception on gullible people.
The only way to end the carnage is to strip the power from the State to do such things. That requires a MUCH less powerful government. Both political parties, especially the Democrat party want to expand that power. That will lead to more death and destruction.
See, that’s what I mean. The dems only had control of both houses for 2 years, then the GOP took control of the house for the next 4. Then, Republicans took control of both for the last 2. Its a complicated system, made worse when you erroneously simplify it to the executive. My case is simple, by the numbers, the GOP, overwhelmingly votes for war, and war spending, the dems, are, with rare exception, antiwar. Until you do the research yourself, I won’t convince you of anything.
Nonsense. Basically you are saying that if the Democrat party had complete control of government for X amount of time (forever?) they would end the wars. It only takes one session of Congress and one POTUS to sign the legislation.
This is the kind of super partisanship that discredits those that make such claims. You have made my point. And you have avoided the simple truth: the only way to end the wars is to deny the State the ability to wage them. Your priorities are clear: more government. More power to the State.
So your point, is either to vote Republican, or not at all ? See, we live in a republic, there is an election approaching. There is a vote coming up in Congress concerning war, or, no war. The last vote showed, overwhelmingly, the dems voted no war, gop, more war. So, what do you choose ? Now, from what I gather of your argument, it makes no difference either way. If I felt that way, I wouldn’t bother to read, or comment on political sites, because, who cares ? I, on the other hand, vote, and follow congressional votes on issues that matter to me, and vote accordingly, then, comment on my selections based on the numbers that are verifiable. Do the dems offer me everything I want ? No, they dont. Yet, i know, by the numbers, the GOP offers nothing.
Unfortunately we don’t live in a Republic. That ended long ago. The last vestiges killed off by the early Progressive movement. And wars.
But you continue to miss the point. Democrats had many chances to end or scale back the wars. They didn’t. You seem to be claiming that “this-time-is-different” . Or are you?
Since it’s pretty much a given, that the Democrats will NOT change US foreign policy if they gain control of Congress, I have come to the conclusion that your motive is something else.
The one thing that seems consistent in your writing is the more government theme. I think that is your primary concern. My opinion is reinforced by your failure to respond to the only proven way to end the wars and interventionism….less centralized and less powerful government.
Here’s the problem, while I have and still would support any candidate /party that would truly end the murder and mayhem, you wouldn’t. You would never give up your big government/progressive/socialist goals even temporarily. That is your core belief.
And THAT is why people like you cannot be trusted. How far would you go? We have seen how far confirmed State worshippers will go. It doesn’t end well.
No, if the GOP and dem voting records were reversed, I would vote GOP. But, they’re not. I maintain that if congress manages to end US military involvement in Yemen, is that not a step towards decentralization? The failures of the dems are well known on these pages, they are repeated as nauseam. The GOP is seldom criticized since it is well known there is no point, the party votes in lockstep for war everytime. Your desire for “less and less powerful government” is sweet. As John Lennon would say “we’d all love to see the plan”. Your opinion that my hidden agenda is more and bigger government is plain delusional projection.
LOL J L’s song was a critique on socialism.
And the plan? You’re familar with doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? That would be your “plan”. And you call ME delusional??
But you fail again to explain how decentralizing government and reducing the States’ resources to war would not work. Why? Because it conflicts with your core belief. Bty. That is not an argument.
Still, you have no plan, any course ? I have outlined a current bill in an actual government, with accountable votes, happening now, while people are dying and being maimed. Somehow, you are concerned with socialism…explain the evils of socialism to those being torn to bits with US bombs. Know, I agree with you, but you have nothing in reality to offer, and, I will interpret Lennon as I please thank you, don’t need any help.
Not a plan. That’s absurd to ask. But ideas: reduce the power of the State to wage wars by denying it the resources and manpower to do that. End government borrowing and the resultant inflation that has gutted the wages of the working class.
Give taxpayers itemized tax bills. Without the government being allowed to deficit spend/borrow people will be aware of how much wars cost. They will be far more resistant to meddling in the affairs of other nations
The educational system must be revamped to reflect the needs of the economy. A person who is given the basic tools to be productive can easily find a job in a prosperous economy.
Reallocate resources wasted on redundant Federal agencies and the corrupt DC establishment to the states and localities. This will reduce the tax burdens on businesses and individuals especially small businesses.
In combination with a potential work force provided by a educational system that reflects economic needs, prosperity will increase.
End government monopolies/crony capitalism. Start with the banking cartel. The population should not be on the hook for corrupt banks and their Wall Street counterparts. Without wealth being diverted to these bloated sectors, more would be available for the general population. Wealth is being concentrated in the hands of mostly unproductive crony class of elites: the political and connected classes.
Voting: voters should be recused from voting for things that directly pay them. People should not be allowed to vote themselves stuff. This has corrupted the system.
Your plan is the vote. The way the vote as we have it is corrupted. Congress pays off it’s special interests. Members of congress trade votes to get legislation to pay off their own special interests. Including paying off their own voters.
Voting as you envision it is like a virtue signal for the naive who want to feel better about themselves.
How about this Dave; why don’t you go to DC and work in Congress for awhile? See how it actually works. Like I have.
You’re going to hate these ideas. But instead of just labeling such idea “delusional” , or “absurd”, how about actually presenting a argument? Else this is a waste of my time.
And do the walk. Go to DC and see for yourself. Work in Congress. Sit in on some of sub committee hearings. It may open up your eyes …..or not.
Getting busy again. May be awhile. Let me know how you make out when you go to DC. LOL
Great ideas. Don’t they require someone to write the bills ? Then dont they require a Congress with the votes to put them into law ? Then if they dont pass, couldn’t people note who didn’t support those Bill’s, then elect someone else who will ? Guess I’m the one who doesn’t know how congress works.
Correct. You don’t know how Congress works. You have been deceived into thinking change will happen via DC/legislative route. A political pressure valve that keeps power in the hands of a corrupt political class.
And Lennon was right also. Violence/aggression isn’t going to work either. It just repeats the cycle. Another song : “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”. True.
Mechanical channels and limits on political power will always fail. There are no historical or current examples where this has not happened. Legislation passed to force government to adhere to previous legislation doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Your belief that voting doesn’t matter, that law doesn’t matter, will only result in increased militarism. Strange goal to advance on an antiwar site.
Not an argument. Also untrue. I believe in real laws. You believe in government and the State. For example, I never believed in the States prohibition on marijuana. Millions were put into cages. Then some state governments decided to “legalize” cannabis. So, tell me were the laws real laws? If the law was just, then why change it? If unjust, why are the people obligated to obey? What about the millions that had their lives damaged? Was the government laws just? Were those that enforced those laws justified?
By the States rules (laws), the wars are legal. Or not? If not, is the legislature (congress) engaged in a criminal act?
One of us accepts the right of the State to engage in wars of aggression. One of us doesn’t. So, not so strange that I’m here. You on the other hand…. But still, anyone who would truly support a anti war effort is OK. Even if they don’t really understand the underpinnings of why and how wars happen.
If you really want to understand, perhaps a little reading might help. Etienne de la Boetie “The Politics of Obedience” comes to mind.
Btw, he USA has been voting during the entire imperial period. Well over a century. So when do the wars stop?
Do you have your ticket to DC yet?
The subject here, is a single bill, about war, on an antiwar site. The bill came up last year also, did not pass, and I pointed out the votes on party lines, which cannot be refuted no matter how you feel about pot laws. Somehow, the outcome of that vote doesn’t fit into your worldview, so you pretend it doesn’t matter.
You evade or are oblivious. You accept show over substance. I don’t. You worship “the vote”. I don’t.
You are unable to make an argument
The Dems had control of both houses of Congress and the White House from 1933 to 1953 (all of WWII and most of Korea). And then from 1961 to 1969 (most of Vietnam). And then from 1977 to 1981. And then in 1933 and 1994. And then from 2007 to 2011.
Cmon Thomas, work a little harder. The dems lost the house in 2010, again 2012, then both houses 2014. The dems didn’t support him for the very reasons this page exists. I’m going to ignore the dead congresses you mention, and remind you that the OP is about an actual congressional vote happening now concerning war, that came to a vote a year ago, with actual living reps involved, actual people dying today in Yemen, and you expect me to give a shit about party voting trends in 1933? I enjoy the perfect Repug apologist Luchorpan, “research done”….he didn’t research himself, and you were wrong. The story of modern “conservatism”.
Not sure what you think I was wrong about. The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress from 2007 (after winning the 2006 elections) to 2011 (after losing the 2010 elections), just like I said. In those four years, they could have stopped Bush’s and Obama’s wars cold. And decided not to.
I was looking at the years wrong. Both houses until 2010 election. Still, it remains, without unanimous GOP votes, gulf war 1, and 2, dont happen. Same for the 2016 Yemen vote. Criticism for the dems is warranted, but not compared to the jack-boot GOP. The superior method of ending wars is to support the far lesser of two evils, rather than dreaming of a libertarian kumbaya moment when the state relinquishes power as Luchor hopes.
I don’t know if there IS a superior method of ending wars.
I do know that if there is such a method, voting Republican or Democrat isn’t that method.
Ya, I guess you’re right, this bill is nothing more than a trick to prevent trump from making peace somewhere. I see that now, I am surprised Jason even posted this story. Our only hope is JRs peace conversion therapy for the gop
Done the research.
Pompass must be an even worse SoS than Hillary Clinton and Madeleine Albright. Are there no examples of diplomats in the USA????