President Trump has informed Palestinian and Jordanian officials that an upcoming announcement, excepted as soon as Wednesday, will see the US formally recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, effective immediately. The embassy will also be moved to Jerusalem, though this is likely to take up to six months to finalize.
Israel declared Jerusalem to be its capital in 1980, though since it includes substantially amounts of illegally occupied territory, this relocation is not generally recognized, and foreign embassies are located in Tel Aviv.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has reportedly sent messages to EU officials, the Pope, the Jordanian king, and Russia trying to get someone to talk the US out of the move. The Palestinian Authority has also announced “three days of rage” protests starting Wednesday.
The timing couldn’t be worse, coming amid reports the US and Saudi governments intend to push a new peace deal which is overwhelmingly biased in favor of Israel, and which leaves the Palestinians with only “limited sovereignty” and no state.
There has been some speculation that a US move to recognize Jerusalem would lead to a number of such recognition internationally. That doesn’t necessarily seem to be the case, however, as Germany’s Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel criticized the US move as counterproductive, noting it came without any consultation with the EU.
Indeed it may risk an EU pushback, with Gabriel saying it might force Germany to “spell out” its own position and its limits. The EU has long been a lot more critical of the Israeli occupation than the US has, and being cut out of this scheme might make them even moreso.
I guess the the US and Israel figure they can defeat and rule the whole world.
Good luck with that.
“Israel declared Jerusalem to be its capital in 1980, though since it includes substantially amounts of illegally occupied territory”
Technically speaking, the whole goddamn country is illegally occupied territory.
Time for another Intifada.
“Technically speaking, the whole goddamn country is illegally occupied territory.”
Not according to the United Nations, which is the closest thing to an international body that gets to decide “legality” and “illegality.”
F**k the U.N.. What was once a novel idea has become nothing but a morally bankrupt boy’s club for the global north. If theft isn’t illegal it should be, especially when facilitated by means of ethnic cleansing. Any body that pronounces that sh*t legal has no right to exist either. You can quote my anti-Zionist tranny ass on that. Comrade Hermit out! Drop the microphone.
You seem to be conflating “illegal” and “immoral.” They aren’t the same thing.
A lot of stuff Israel does is illegal. Existing isn’t one of those things, even if you think it’s immoral.
“Existing” on someone else’s land after invading (under British escort), murdering, and ethnically cleansing that land….. well, that’s not existing, that’s a geopolitical crime-in-progress.
What crime has a “right to exist”? What criminals, in the commission of a crime, have the “right to defend themselves” against the victims defending themselves from the criminals or the cops when they arrive on the scene to terminate the criminal behavior?
You yourself, Thomas, said the United Nations “is the closest thing to an international body that gets to decide “legality” “. And that same UN has repeatedly condemned Israel’s actions. To which Israel has essentially said f**k you!
Israel, like any criminal, has the right to surrender to a competent authority and have their situation adjudicated fairly. In the alternative, if they insist on violating all the norms of civilized behavior, preferring might makes right, then when force is used against them, they will have no claim to victimhood. Live by the sword….
The portions of Israel existing as per the UN partition resolution of 1947 are “legal.”
That’s just a fact. You don’t have to like it. I don’t have to like it. It’s a fact whether either of us likes it or not.
Is this the Hitler did nothing wrong defense? Cause it sure reads like it…
Pencil whupped
No. “Legal” and “right” are not the same thing. Nor are “illegal” and “wrong.”
The only way to read what I wrote as a “Hitler did nothing wrong defense” is if your reading skills are severely deficient.
If Turkey cuts ties with Israel, how will that in turn affect NATO?
If the EU wants to forge its own path, again what about NATO?
If Jordan’s King Playstation finds himself in a bind, what about them cutting ties with Israel, possibly the US?
How will Hezbollah and Syria react?
How is the military now going to react? Anywhere there’s a potentially pissed off Muslim, they could find themselves in a world of hurt in a damn hurry.
At some point the piper will have to be paid for all these Israel first policies.
I totally agree with you; the what if’s says it all. How will all these nations react? How will Hezbollah and Syria react? I’m sure they won’t act as if nothing happened. Certainly, the Palestinians themselves will react very angrily; they may even start another intifada.
What about the military? How will they react? Anywhere there’s a potentially pissed off Muslim, they could find themselves in a world of hurt in a darn hurry .. And, at some point, the piper will have to be paid for all these Israel first policies.
Trump’s made the worst mistake in the short time he’s been President. Jerusalem’s NOT Israel’s capital; it’s an International City, and the UN has a duty to step in and put an end to this nonsense. E. Jerusalem’s been set aside to be Palestine’s capital, once a Palestinian state’s established. In fact, Trump has NO authority whatsoever to tell the world that all of Jerusalem’s the capital of Israel, since it’s an International city, with E. Jerusalem set aside as the capital of a potential Palestinian state. Such a move would create chaos in the Mideast.
It’s only an American recognition. What Israel chooses to do with this is up to them, and they can suffer the consequences.
You are absolutely right . Israel may not be ready to accept Trump offer to move the Embassy .
When Obama was president of the USA he was the most powerful man in the world . So perhaps now that Trump is president he is the most powerful man in the world . So who else could make this decision . Almost every U;S; president Both Bushes , Clinton and Obama said they wanted to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem . Now Trump may actually do what they all said they wanted done . As for worrying about Muslims causing trouble that won’t change one bit Muslims always cause trouble if they don’t get their way . And after they get their way the cause more trouble if you don’t do more of what they want .
Fixed.
Why should Germany be worried about Israel occupying Jerusalem ? They never worried one bit when Nazis occupied Kosovo in the 40s and they were the first to recognize Kosovo again when NATO illegally took Kosovo again at the end of the 90s . It didn’t seem to bother the E.U. countries one bit to have NATO completely destroy Yugoslavia again . As a matter of fact Germany was very complicit in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia both times
So much for the Geneva Conventions and international law, Israel clearly controls the White house these days, so sad to see the Likud Party proceeding with more land theft and subjugation under the Trump administrations cover.
The number of rulers, tribes, nations which have controlled Jerusalem throughout history is breathtaking.
Indeed. Check it out.
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
That’s because the people who wrote the Bible (including the parts that were banned by Constantine) were from that area – all people thought their part of the world was the focus of everything.
Wikipedia summary re Jerusalem says “In 1995, the United States Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act, which required, subject to conditions, that its embassy be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
That directly opposes “United Nations General Assembly Resolution 58/292
affirmed that the Palestinian people have the right to sovereignty over East
Jerusalem.”
Result is Trump allied with the Zionist movement pitting them against Democrats, anti-Zionists, Palestinian patriots, and Sunni groups defending their third most Holy Site.
and we keep saying, why Muslims hate us.
president Trump played his last card for survival.
that Muslim balloon we keep pumping air in, might one day explode right on our face.
well we ever free our self’s from Israhell.
As of 2017 the religious demographics of Jerusalem: At 64%, the majority of the population is Jewish, although there are of course different levels of adherence to the Jewish faith. The Muslim faith is the second most practiced religion in Jerusalem, representing 34% of the population. 2% of the population identifies as Christian
Oh, OK, I see. I thought you were speaking English, not HumptyDumpyese. My mistake.
The f**k is that supposed to mean?
Just because something is f**ked, it has to stay f**ked?!
Tell that to Nelson Mandela’s tombstone.
It’s supposed to mean that I thought you were using the words “legal/illegal” to mean “legal/illegal,” rather than “somethinng comrade hermit likes/doesn’t like.”
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“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory’,” Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t- till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!'”
“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master-that’s all.”
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You know, sometimes I have to remind myself that I like you. You remind me a lot of my high school journalism teacher. He use to tweak my *ss about sh*t like that too. Whatever… Things that should be illegal SHOULD be illegal, that’s all I was trying to say. But I guess we don’t live in Shouldland…. Yet.