Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Martin Dempsey refused to back down from last week’s comments on the possibility of US ground troops being involved in the open-ended war on ISIS, insisting today that he will recommend “what it takes” to destroy ISIS, even if that means ground troops.
President Obama has repeatedly ruled out ground troops, but Dempsey insists he was ordered to provide recommendations on the destruction of ISIS, and says he knows that requires a large ground force to make it happen.
Dempsey tried to be a bit conciliatory about the disconnect with the president, insisting that the “ideal” force wouldn’t include Americans, but would rather include Iraqis, Kurds, and Syrian “moderates.”
The general appeared to be expanding expectations for the Syrian rebel factions being trained by the Pentagon, saying the estimates are that they will need 12,000 to 15,000 fighters in eastern Syria. The plan approved by Congress aims to create a force of 5,000 within a year.
That what we said the very same day they started talking about ground troops. Turkish will invade Syria, if not Iraq, from north now that ISIS have cleansed the area from Kurdish people, Saudis, jordanians, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait mercenaries from Jordanian/Saudi border with Syria/Iraq, which was the reason for Saudis doubling their troops already there.
USG/EU, Not getting the Iranians troops involved is simply because they have the means to defeat ISIS with the Iraqi army on their side and USG still going after what they are ordered to do by Saudis and Israelis regime. Change the syrian regime, while Syria and Iraq is occupied by these mercinaris they well bring alive their plan B for Iran.
Bloomberg: Syria-to-Ukraine Wars Send U.S. Defense Stocks to Records http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-25/syria-to…
how cynical, the ref to edwin starr's great song!
CNN: Defense stocks up big as ISIS crisis escalates
Edwin Starr famously sang about how war is good for absolutely nothing. He clearly wasn't thinking about the performance of defense stocks though… http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/22/investing/defense…
Put that warmonger ahole in the first wave….JUST DO IT!
But Mike, he only wants to do a "moderate" mass murder.
we'll fight'em til the last drop of another counrtrys soldiers blood.
All the costs should be billed to Dempsey and others in Congress and the Press that are promoting this stupidity. If the money runs out, then no more actions should be taken. Once these dipsticks start having to pay for this folly, we may hear a different tune from them.
I want to know how, specifically, he intends to destroy ISIS. Does he mean every single human that has joined? Are they tattoo'd so they'd be easily identified? Maybe they have a database with all the ISIS names in it. Attempting to destroy ISIS is like Bush saying he was going to hunt down and kill all those responsible for 9/11…still waiting. They might as well claim they'll destroy ISIS the same way they eliminated racism and bigotry in the US. It would be like attempting to eliminate all the Republicans…or Baptists….it can't be done. And they know it.
If they don't understand the reasons for the existence of groups like ISIS or al Qaeda they will never succeed.
But the generally accepted public assumption is that they really want to destroy ISIS or any of the other terrorist groups. I'm not buying it, sorry.
"They might as well claim they'll destroy ISIS the same way they eliminated racism and bigotry in the US."
Exactly. The last thing Our Dear Leaders want to destroy is ISIS abroad and conflicts between groups of working class people at home. If workers can ever get past their petty jealousies, fear, and hate, and turn on their common enemy, the Empire would soon dissolve.
When things don't appear to make sense, they probably do make sense, just in some other way.
Defense stocks soar, Israel is happy, the MIC makes money. The MSM lies hard and convincingly to the sheep to facilitate these.
They can do this forever. 13 years and counting
Whatever it takes? Really?
This goes to the heart of my argument that the civilian government of the United Corporations of America does not run or control the government. The government is run by the pentagon and the "secret government" [think Oliver North, Elliot Abrams, John Poindexter and their ilk]. They call the shots, they set policy, and they pump the American people with propaganda to drive their policies which are based on all lies from beginning to end and as far as the eye can see.
They covertly created ISIS (just as they did alQaeda) as a Sunni counterweight to a Shite Iran and thier Alwalite ally in Syria, they covertly funded it directly and indirectly through all our Sunni "allies" in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and UAE, They produced all the obviously phony Beheading videos where the "victims" calmly recite pre-written scripts, without completely freaking out, begging, pleading, kicking, before thier heads are about to be sawed off while they are alive. How completely fake, how obviously phony? How anybody cannot see through that is beyond me. If that was you, how would you behave in the few moments before……?
Think about this…Obama is telling you that we will fund the "moderate" Sunni Rebels in Syria who will then, we are told, fight the radical Sunni rebels (ISIS) as well as fight Assad. That on it's face is simply absurd. The "moderate" rebels and ISIS are natural allies in the fight against Assad.
Where exactly is this murky line between the "moderate" rebels and ISIS??? Please explain that one to me? What nonsense, what bald faced propaganda. They must think the American people are idiots, and they possibly might be right about that.
If the Chinese or Russians were contemplating the introduction of military ground forces into the Middle East AGAIN we would rightfully label that as blatant aggression. Oh how the war drums would beat in Washington then!
The only way to defeat these rebellions or terrorist actions in the Middle East or elsewhere is to arm the people who live there to carry out military actions. If they cannot defeat the rebels/barbarians, then so be it. Not our fight, not worth the life of one more American Service man or woman (or civilian).
Let Israel do it. Such a great ally, never lifts a finger to do jack sh!t while they benefit from the turmoil in these neighboring countries. Overrated cowards, so full of their own hot air and racist supremacy who love to pose and act tough on Facebook and other assorted social media when they go into Gaza, let's see how tough these crybaby-killers really are.
Remember killing a pregnant Palestinian woman is a 2-for-1. And sniping their little kids keeps them from growing up to be big terrorists. Such wonderful humanitarian notions.
US needs to "accidentally" bomb an Israeli ship or army barracks already. But make sure there are many casualties. Mass casualties actually would make for great theater, plus the overhyped IDF needs a decent punch in the jaw to cut them down a peg, drunk off their civilian slaughter in Gaza. And what would they do then? Fire back? Openly retaliate? Nah, the cowards would do it on the sneak and blame some Muslim group or country. Maybe an attack on der Homeland, as they know the MSM propaganda organs will argue on their behalf no matter what. (Like the dubious SITE website with former IDF hooknose Rita Katz).
They don't have the stones to fight when people are ably armed and determined to fight back, resorting to killing unarmed civilians as is always the case. I hope the next Israeli war is an invasion of some sort. I got no problem seeing hateful bigoted reichwing Israeli bastards like these get a taste of their own medicine, just the way they have no problem with any sort of dead Arabs.
How come we never see such an oopsie? And then America can quickly apologize for it later on. Israel would have to publicly accept, just the way we had to swallow the USS Liberty debacle, although it seems the sailors on that ship felt slightly otherwise.
Would love to see the ensuing reactions on all sides.
So, the General sez the ideal force would include "Syrian “moderates.”" Has he just returned from a loooong trip to Colorado?
Still trying to decipher "moderate" compared to fanatic. Does a moderate only "half" behead a victim, or eat 2/3rd of the spleen ? Yes, the "beheadings" do look fake, and John Cantlie's videos don't make as much of a "ripple" as the plastic knife because he tells a lot of truths that the knuckle dragging couch surfing Amurikans don't want to hear. The relatives of the beheading "victims" (the orange outfit clan) just don't seem very upset. Call me a tin foiler. "Whatever it takes"