One week from today, Crimea will hold a referendum on the issue of secession with the Ukraine, deciding if they will split from the nation, and potentially if they will seek reaccession into the Russian Federation.
The contentious vote has renewed international debate about whether or not self-rule is a right under international law, though the history of positions from all the major powers suggests that their positions are completely malleable and just a matter of what benefits them at any given time.
The West, which has decided in this case Crimea’s self-rule is not in their interest, has taken the position that self-rule is a violation of international law, and that secession votes are only allowed if the regime one’s region is trying to escape from gives them permission.
That’s an historically problematic position for a number of reasons, from America’s own war of secession against a very unwilling Britain to the 1999 secession of Kosovo from Serbia, which Western nations loudly backed.
Russia opposed Kosovar independence, but President Putin argues that Crimea’s referendum is fully in keeping with international norms. He’s not wrong, but the norms suggest that major powers on all sides are cynically reserving self-rule for those they might stand to gain something from.
Very revealing, concise report!
norms suggest that major powers on all sides are cynically reserving self-rule for those they might stand to gain something from.
Well, if I take Russia as included in that… 'reserving'? E.g., are there instances where Putin's Russia has not respected someone's secession? Don't know, I'm really asking.
There's probably some real/imagined pressure in 'the movement' or among AW's not to appear to take the side of 'the enemy.' My favorite probable manifestation of that used to be schticks that began with 'now I'm not saying he's not a bad guy but…' I'm sure such things were often heard at witch burnings. Maybe Mary said it of her son on the cross…if social pressure on her were equivalent.
Chechnya comes to mind as a place where Russia wasn't really very fond of the idea of secession and independence
Russia was opposed to Bosnia and Croatia succeeding from Yugoslavia , They were strongly Opposed to Kosovo succeeding without permission from Serbia/ In Europe Yugoslavia the Orthodox Christians were driven from their homes from about 1/2 of the country . In spite of the fact they were the largest ethnic group in Yugoslavia . This would have not been possible with out NATO and the US airforce . These foolish actions destroyed Yeltsin's government in Russia . But it did signal Russia needs to rearm and try to bring more freedom and democracy to Orthodox Christians around Russia too . What goes around comes around
The way the rulers always just do what's best for themselves is the reason why founders of America said that sovereign power resides with the people. This is one of the very basic ideas that began America, with the other being that people have the right to form their own governments in a way they feel will best effect their safety and happiness.
Its rather staggering to hear an American President sounding just like King George and saying that no, the power doesn't reside with the people and no, they have no right to form a government of the form they feel is best for them. Someone hold a seance to let King George know that the Patriots have finally been defeated.
I wonder what our elected leaders would think about a new freedom loving independent democracy running right threw the middle of the United States . A country with plenty of oil , that is called fly over country clinging to their bibles and guns When I stop to think about it I'am not in favor of much this country is doing , I see no reason we should have bombed Yugoslavia , Libya and Iraq . I don't want to finance the liver eater to overthrow Assad in Syria , I don't care if Egypt keeps Mossi in Jail , and I don't care if the NAZIs can't get Ukraine back . In plain English I don't think we are getting from our government our moneys worth . Our efforts are causing more damage than good almost every where
What a load of bull….
The Major Powers are ALL hypocrites. America the biggest of them all. The history of America is filled with betrayals – first of their British masters and then the murder of millions of native American Indians whose lands they annexed by force. These are the people who now talk of "rights" and "international law"
Lord help us.
Yes, they are all hypocrites, and that fact is not lost on that part of the world which is paying attention. Neoconservative / neoliberal pundits worry about "losing credibility" when the US has ceased to have any real credibility to lose. The US "fights terror" by funding al-Qaeda in Syria. The US "supports democracy" by covertly overthrowing democratically elected governments in Ukraine and Egypt. US special forces in Jordan train terrorists for Syria, and counter-terrorists for Iraq. None but the almost terminally dense mistake US military power for "credibility."
Well strictly speaking they were not "native" arriving from Siberia via the Bering strait. Being mainly hunter-gatherers, population densities would have been very low. So I very much doubt "millions' of them were "murdered". That is not to say very bad things didn't happen, but we need to keep historical perspective. I completely agree about U.S. governmental hypocrisy.
Putin is on the side of Josef Stalin, whose regim kill 20 millions of russian and other people! He is neostalinist Bolshevism and Fashism is in the same pot!
Ukraina should be free of great shovinism of Putin nazi-bolsheviks!
Why not have a referendum throughout the Ukraine, monitored by disinterested international observers? Probably much of the east, southeast of Ukraine, plus Crimea would vote to secede and join Russia. The remainder would be the country of Ukraine.
You should stop smoking crack and snorting coffeine at the same time.
Now there's first class analysis for you. And spelling! I'm afraid that Stalin just might have something a bit more cogent than you to say about our present situation. Here was an interview he gave to Pravda after Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/…
Seems he understood something about the West and Western motives that we need to recover today.
As to the fascism part, I'm afraid its all on the side of the so-called "legitimate" government of Ukraine. Here are a couple of articles one from Patrick Cockburn, another from Gary Leupp on that question that ought to chill your blood:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-th…
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/lviv-ukrai…
Shameless American hypocrite, thy name is Obama.
We should actually call him PRESIDENT ORWELL.
Doublethink, doublespeak, doubleplusgood.
No there are more communists in the western democracies than any of the eastern block countries Russia included Putin was selected by Alexsander Solzhenitstn to bring Russia back to her Judeo Christian roots
putsch begat a putsch. ukraine is no more; most deserving of that is, imo, EU, US, and the rebels.
has, btw, russia set a trap for western ukrainians, EU, and US?
have your violence, putsch, etc., and we will have ours
wasn't russia very quiet until feb 22? and why?
and wasn't EU/US very vocal? and very one sided; talking the side of w.ukrainians against s.eastern?
I find a lot of people here that seem to have a anti us government agenda I think we are do for some fast changes that may not all be so good .
The current regime in Kiev came to power undemocratically in a coup detat, at the point of a gun. So if that's accepted by the west than surely the proposed Russian referendum in the Crimea is democratic. Please note that this referendum is conducted in an exceptionally peaceful way. There is no violence, no people killed, no building and property destroyed. Compare this with the Kiev Putch where the protesters were wearing balaclavas and attacking the police with Molotov cocktails and what have you, buildings were ransacked. There is now strong evidence coming from Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in a YouTube recording of a conversation between the Minister and Catherine Ashton of the EU that it were provocateurs who shot at and killed both protesters and police and NOT the now ousted Yanokovitch government. This piece of information is suppressed by the western corporate media. I have uploaded the YouTube clip on my blog Contraviews <a href="http://(http://contraviewing.blogspot.com)” target=”_blank”>(http://contraviewing.blogspot.com)
I suggest that ANTI WAR publishes this YouTube recording !!!
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