Secretary of State John Kerry is in the Middle East today, pushing his “framework agreement” aimed at kickstarting Israeli-Palestinian peace talks and making some actual, real process after months of negotiations have yielded little to nothing.
Kerry conceded that the agreement would be “very, very difficult” to reach, but pushed forward with his typical, unjustified optimism, even as indications are that neither side seems particularly on board with his plan.
Kerry’s visit has already sparked two protests, one on each side, and his framework has already sustained some pretty public rebukes, with the PLO insisting the plan was “worthless” and Senator John McCain (R – AZ), in town to get in on the lack of progress, declared Netanyahu had “serious, serious concerns” about the merits of the Kerry plan.
At it’s core, the Kerry plan involves the Palestinians agreeing to recognize Israel as a “Jewish state” from now on, and the Israelis agreeing to negotiate along pre-1967 lines for Palestinian statehood. Each of those things is something the sides have long rejected.
This time around, they’re both giving some lip-service to the idea, but seem to be shaping up for the eventual collapse, and are both waiting for the other side to say no first so they won’t be the one blamed for the failure.
collapse should setup an expulsion from the UN, but we have spineless serpents doing our bidding
Like the treason senators making asses of themselves for the world to see.
Like the treason senators making asses of themselves for the world to see.
collapse should setup an expulsion from the UN, but we have spineless serpents doing our bidding
A very sick set of senators that have no regard for human life and diginity for the Palestinians and look like dann fools and paid flunkeys.
The Palestinians is not obligated to recognized Israel as a "Jewish State." How can they stand there with Palestinian's blood dripping from their hands and asking to be recognized, not to mention the "Berlin Walls" that cut off neighborhoods in Palestinians territories creating an apartheid state.
What Kerry needs to understand is that the Israelis are not interested in peace with the Palestinians. Never have been and never will be. It's not part of the plan and any Israeli PM who attempts to really make peace will find themselves out of office in short order. If Kerry had stones he'd tell Bibi that if the Israelis expect to continue receiving American taxpayer funds he needs to negotiate in good faith. Kerry will then have the proof he needs that the Israelis are not on board with any peace plan concocted by the Americans. Once all the realities are in clear view on the table then and only then can any workable solution be made. As long as both parties hide intentions nothing is going to be accomplished.
But, these are smart people so they know…and all the shadow dancing is for show.
What Kerry needs to understand is that the Israelis are not interested in peace with the Palestinians. Never have been and never will be. It's not part of the plan and any Israeli PM who attempts to really make peace will find themselves out of office in short order. If Kerry had stones he'd tell Bibi that if the Israelis expect to continue receiving American taxpayer funds he needs to negotiate in good faith. Kerry will then have the proof he needs that the Israelis are not on board with any peace plan concocted by the Americans. Once all the realities are in clear view on the table then and only then can any workable solution be made. As long as both parties hide intentions nothing is going to be accomplished.
But, these are smart people so they know…and all the shadow dancing is for show.
What Kerry needs to understand is that the Israelis are not interested in peace with the Palestinians. Never have been and never will be. It's not part of the plan and any Israeli PM who attempts to really make peace will find themselves out of office in short order. If Kerry had stones he'd tell Bibi that if the Israelis expect to continue receiving American taxpayer funds he needs to negotiate in good faith. Kerry will then have the proof he needs that the Israelis are not on board with any peace plan concocted by the Americans. Once all the realities are in clear view on the table then and only then can any workable solution be made. As long as both parties hide intentions nothing is going to be accomplished.
But, these are smart people so they know…and all the shadow dancing is for show.
What Kerry needs to understand is that the Israelis are not interested in peace with the Palestinians. Never have been and never will be. It's not part of the plan and any Israeli PM who attempts to really make peace will find themselves out of office in short order. If Kerry had stones he'd tell Bibi that if the Israelis expect to continue receiving American taxpayer funds he needs to negotiate in good faith. Kerry will then have the proof he needs that the Israelis are not on board with any peace plan concocted by the Americans. Once all the realities are in clear view on the table then and only then can any workable solution be made. As long as both parties hide intentions nothing is going to be accomplished.
But, these are smart people so they know…and all the shadow dancing is for show.
You Americans have seniors dying of cold from lack of money ,working citizens living under poverty & you keep supporting the ME.The Palestinians have time on their side, they should wait it out.However this will have a credibility issue down the road for the West.The support for Israel becaue they are "WHITE".
The support for Israel is because of the extremely powerful Israeli lobby in the USA and its hold over the U.S. political system with its cowardly members. Nothing else.
As long as (practically) all American politicians/officials are wearing Israeli-AIPAC handcuffs there can be no peace. Peace would simply not be profitable for Israel. War is the 'golden goose' that keeps on giving golden eggs.
How long has the "Middle East Peace Process" been going on now? 40 years? It's plain to see that this "process" is intended to be the permanent state of affairs, and there is no intent on the part of Israel or the US to EVER have a true resolution.
Palestinians know very well they live in a Jewish State. They are surrounded by a Jewish built wall, have to pass through Jewish controlled checkpoints to go anywhere, they can not drive on Jewish only roads, travel in Jewish only buses, or live in Jewish only areas. Making Palestinians declare Israel is a "Jewish State" is an exercise in self debasement and humiliation.
Kerry's proposal fails to address the most basic question: where are Israel's borders? Until Israel officially declares its borders, everything else is a waste of time. If Israel won't be satisfied with all of Israel / Palestine, if Israel wants the "Greater Israel" shown here: http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future.php then any agreement the Palestinians make will be short lived, and a lot more nations need to be at the negotiating table.
I've seen different variations of that Eretz Israel map on the 'net, it's funny how it always seems to resemble a pile of dogsh!t.
This is what excrement does to children:
Israel Cages Palestinian Children in Outdoor Holding Pens During Freezing Storm https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/01/03-2
Notice the comments defending the Israelis, saints that they are, and the attacks on the author of the article by a number of trolls. Remember criticizing barbaric Israeli actions, such as putting Palestinian kids in cages = antisemitism and jewish persecution, somehow.
This country should actually be shrinking, not following it's storybook folklore tale of expanding until it reaches some arbitrary line that their "God" (written by their own hands) tells them belongs to them.
Scrolling down on that page shows various maps, all based on a book written by, for, and about a people that lived more than 2,000 years ago, and entirely unrelated to the majority of current Israeli's (Ashkenazi) who converted to Judaism around 1,000 AD.
And yes, they do resemble piles…LOL
Jewish stat or not, Israel or two stat solution? The idea in negotiating peace in Middle East with such remarks from Kerry or others is just another way in spreading the words that: USA or EU governments are unable and to some degree unwilling to act with force against an apartheid regime as Israel is.
There are two side of a coin in Middle East where both are the source of problems in Middle East, one is Israel and the other is Saudi Arabia-Wahhabis. In one hand Saudis are THE source of income for USG weapon and other LUXURIOUS products sales from Europe, in the other hand, producing terrorism, since Afghanistan, war in defeating any and all kind of democracy is what Saudis-Wahhabis are been doing and getting better at terrorizing people with weapons provided to them. In the other hand, Israel is the source in keeping the Arab nationals in check enforcing its system as THE only democracy in Middle East, where EU or USG "historically" been using both to their economic and political advantages in the region. Words doesn't cost anything unless the words used are faced with reality of today's problems created by the west vulture capitalism world combinations agendas. From a tiny country with almost 10million populations in Europe as Sweden to Jordan kingdom to England monarchies whom are for the "Changing world" and cooperating heartily with both sides of the coins, meanwhile millions of people in Middle East and elsewhere are suffering. Here, the source of the problem is the vulture capitalism not the people, otherwise, the governments are elected by the people for the people, hence, when governments starts lying you can not count that on people's stupidity, part of non functioning yet democratic elected government is to lie, lie is their justifications for wrong doing and they know it.
Lurch, it's very,very difficult because you have to actually do something painful, like make strong demands on the occupier on behalf of the oppressed and dispossessed…but you won't do that. You can't do that, or else someone yanks your choke chain and brings you to heel.
The Lurch of John Lennon days wants to damn Israeli actions unequivocally.
The Lurch of Theresa Heinz and Shabat Shalom wants to take the money and be the latest in a long line of vipers paying lip service to the "Peace Process" ™. It must hurt your large, long head daily.
well noted B69
actually what U suggest is even worse. That our best institutions are run by imposters, how could this man have been the chair of the senate foreign relations committee and run prez on a major party tix. Keeps all his accolades and credentials like the law professor laureate. Yet unable to truthfully level with the People. Its depressingly tragic
America should just walk away from this whole mess.