Syria is becoming a land of extremes. Extreme optimism for war planners on both the regime and rebel sides of the civil war, and even more extreme pessimism for the new UN envoy trying to get the two sides talking.
When special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi termed his job “nearly impossible” yesterday, he wasn’t kidding. Efforts to convince the regime to talk to the rebels and vice versa are being spurned by both sides, as both remain convinced they’re going to win militarily.
Information Minister Omran al-Zoebi insisted that the government remains open to talks, but only after the military entirely crushes the rebels nationwide. No doubt that would be a good bargaining position, but is it realistic after months of civil war have amounted to very little territory change?
But if Zoebi can be criticized for being overly optimistic about the regime’s change, one cannot help but notice the rebels are doing the exact same thing, saying they will only talk after they have forced Assad from power through sheer strength of arms.
In the end, neither side seems anywhere near the breakthrough moment where they win a crushing victory, and while both sides might conceivably gain from negotiations they each seem so convinced of their imminent victory that they aren’t even considering such talks. Brahimi, who both sides have condemned as a poor selection for UN envoy, really does have his work cut out for him.
The Syrian people already given chances to what is called "rebels" negotiating a peace, that was about year ago, now they are on the run and they want peace. They should either keep on running or stop fighting that is their choice.
Mr. Ditz, can you explain how you came to the conclusion: is it realistic after months of civil war have amounted to very little territory change?
What "territory" exactly do the "rebels" control in your mind? Please be specific…
Poor, poor Jason Ditz and his lack of even a basic understanding of this "conflict", much less an understanding of the "players"…. It is what it is though….
This is just following the simple narrative packaged and distributed for simple people…a 'narrative' which has no connection to the "reality" of the situation (which has an 'agenda' btw)…
Will the smallness of bigotry of "Shi'ite vs. Sunni determine Syria's future in your mind Ditz? Why is the Vice President of Syria a Sunni Ditz? I'm sure Syria is not an easy place to hold together, but Assad has managed to do it…well…even in the face of the most adverse of circumstances… I'm sure Hillary Clinton could do a better job though…
Never mind all of that…
So Ditz…tell me: who is Mr. Brahimi scheduled to meet with representing the almighty "rebels"? Can you at the very least answer that???
Also Mr. Ditz, can you provide a 'direct quote' substantiating the claim made that "the government remains open to talks, but only after the military entirely crushes the rebels nationwide" (your words)? Can you at least substantiate this? Do you 'understand' how this statement happened to appear here?
Anyway….
Assad is not only prevailing in this fake domestic "conflict" 'terrorists' are trying to stir up (fyi… most of the actual 'boots on the ground' fighting force in the Syrian Military are 'Sunni' BTW–'Sunni's' are doing the majority of the fighting and dying in the Syrian Army in Aleppo and elsewhere)…he is also 'winning' on the international stage–which is somewhat 'unprecedented' considering all of the "dynamics" at play here with this particular situation at this point in time in history. 'We' are in somewhat uncharted territory at this point…
I don't expect most to understand this…and it does not matter…
Anyway Jason Ditz….since you seem convinced the "rebels" are of serious 'concern' and/or 'relevance' on their own (absent the significant backing and efforts of the US/NATO military), just keep up the good work of 'reporting' the day to day events leading to "Arrogant Assad's" (Dempsey's term) eventual defeat (LOL)…
Asssad repeatedly did offer negotiations with anybody – so this can be regarded as misinformation.
See Assad -Interviews were he claims this:
interviewed on Thursday, 5th of July 2012 Bashar al-Assad, President of Syria and the Regional Secretary of the Syrian-led branch of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party.
But rebels can not negotiate, because they are just contract killers in charge of US interests and sent, paid and armed by Saudis, Qataris or Turkey with weapons and logistic command from USA..
The word “crush” is the Star Telegram’s spin, based on this quote:
"There will be no dialogue with the opposition prior to the Syrian army's imposition of security and stability in all parts of the country," Information Minister Omran al-Zoebi told reporters at a news conference in Damascus.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/09/03/4226974/s…
Here’s another account of the news conference:
The success of Brahimi’s effort to find a political solution will depend on Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the U.S., all of which have backed the opposition fighting to remove Assad, Zoubi said. There will be no dialogue with rebels until they put down their weapons, he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-04/syrian-a…
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The Syrian government’s language is apparently less extreme than one might gather from Ditz’s article. It seems here that it’s primarily the rebels who are not prepared to talk and never will be.
Indeed, The Star Telegram adds “The opposition has long rejected any talks with the regime until Assad is removed from power.”
By sharing out the blame both ways, Ditz seems to be stoking the fire, which, of course, means playing the rebels’ game.
He and the antiwar team sometimes like to sit on the fence, and choose inconsistency. The conflict has to do with legitimate sovereignty rights. These rights are shared equally among nations. Ditz and the antiwar team, however, seem to think the Syrian citizenry are the children of a lesser god. Disappointingly, this shortsightedness and selectiveness undermines their averred – and often eloquent – championing of certain tenets of international law.
The 'Syrian citizenry' want to be rid of Assad. Yes, Ben_C, he managed to hold Syria together, but since you claim to know so much, tell us how he did that? Tell us about the repression, torture, killings, state of fear… The idea that antiwar.com is too pro-rebels is a joke, right?
What "state of fear" are you referring to Abdullah? Are you referring to the "State of Fear" where children could walk around at midnight, or the "State of fear" of being out until 4 AM at bars and restaurants in Damascus I've heard about?
You can't be implying that Syria used "force" to impose the laws of the land…that would just be silly… A Government using "force" to enforce laws…. Well…I never…..
Anyway…you or can't say what the 'Syrian citizenry' does or does not want… Your guess and/or prognostication is not a reliable metric….and you definitely don't speak for the "Syrian People"–or, do you think you do? If so, perhaps you can tell us who the "American People" want to be "rid of" too…and America can just go by what 'Abdullah thinks' from here on out…
I'm sure some people want to be "rid of" Assad, some don't. This is typically how it is in any Nation–some despise their rulers, some love their rulers, most people have mixed feelings. I'm guessing the Sunni Syrian troops fighting and dying for Assad don't want to be 'rid' of him…or at least not rid of their current Nation and "way of life"… This is why 'we' have "elections" here in the US…to determine these 'sorts' of things…or at least people who can decide to change things and run the "Government". I'd say though "elections" typically come down to "match-ups"–at least this has been my experience and observation over the years…
Do you have an issue with "elections"? Presidential elections in Syria are tentatively scheduled for 2014… If the "Syrian People" want to be rid of him, they will have a peaceful and orderly way to get rid of him… 'Problem solved'….
So….What's the 'issue'?
You know, I thought you might actually have some knowledge of Syria, but since you see 'Umm Abdullah' and call me 'Abdullah', it's obvious that you don't.
Yes, I've walked around Damascus at night without worrying about crime. (I don't have to be told by someone.) The reason is that there are eyes and ears everywhere. If you actually knew anything about life in Syria, you'd know the fear people have lived under during the reign of the Assads, where even brother or best friends are afraid to even criticize the government or to not put up posters of the Assads in their shops and offices.
I have seen and felt that; I've watched Syrians – even outside Syria – freeze in terror at the mere mention of the Presidents' name.
Syrians (at least Sunnis) all know people who have been imprisoned, tortured, killed – or whom they don't know what ever happened to. You must know about some of the most infamous massacres, like Hamas? And the dreaded prison near Tadmoor (Palmyra)? And those are just the well-known, spectacular ones.
I don't know a Syrian who supports Bashar. I live in the Middle East, see things on the 'Arab Street', get e-mails and Facebook posts and tweets not only describing specific incidents but showing trends and how people feel. Virtually all Sunni Syrians hate Bashar and have good reason. Without even discussing other minorities, that makes up the majority of the Syrian people.
Here's a video that someone posted just today. Fake propaganda? A burial of terrorists? Think what you like, but this is the reality.
I think you mean "some of the 'Syrian citizenry' want to be rid of Assad". Not "the 'Syrian citizenry' want to be rid of Assad". I believe some citizens prefer Assad if for no other reason than that they prefer the devil they know to the devil they don't know. Others prefer Assad to salafists, for example. I wouldn't be surprised, judging from video footage, if a good number of Syrians were enthusiastically behind Assad. Please tell us about the torture, killings and state of fear. The lies that have been circulating in the media suggest things are not as you would like us to believe they are.
Do you know any Syrians? I notice that antiwar.com – and antiwar radio before – never spoke to one. I don't know which organizations you trust, but every major human rights organization has reports about Syria. Every Syrian I know tells about relatives who were taken away because they had a beard, went to the mosque too much, had Islamic books in the house…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama
http://middleeastvoices.voanews.com/2012/06/syria…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadmor_Prison
I believe the record of some major organisations, notably Amnesty and HRW, is not as clean as you would like readers to believe. We can go into that particular issue if you wish. Who is responsible for putting Syria's civil society into tailspin? Let me provide, à propos fear, just one quote, instead, from the Catholic news agency, Fides: the French priest Philip Tournyol Clos, a greek-Catholic Melkite Archimandrite, who recently visited Syria, by traveling to different cities, like Damascus, Aleppo and Homs (has declared that the) “fanatical Sunni extremists are fighting a holy war proudly, especially against the Alawites. When terrorists seek to control the religious identity of a suspect, they ask him to cite the genealogies dating back to Moses. And they ask to recite a prayer that the Alawites removed. The Alawites have no chance to get out alive.” (PA) (Agenzia Fides 04/06/2012) http://www.fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews…