The US and the UK may permit Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for long-range strikes inside Russian territory without it becoming public until the first one is fired, The Times reported on Friday.
Ukraine has received Storm Shadows from the UK and a variant from France, known as the SCALP-EG. Both versions have a range of about 155 miles.
The Times report said that Western diplomats are poised to sign off on Ukraine’s use of Storm Shadows in strikes on Russian territory but will hold back from making an official announcement. They don’t want to publicize the move since it would give Russia advanced notice.
Previous escalatory steps that the US has taken in the Ukraine proxy war were not announced publicly. For example, when President Biden gave Ukraine the greenlight to use US-provided weapons in Russian border regions, it was first revealed by media reports and later acknowledged by the administration.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that the US of NATO-provided weapons in long-range strikes on Russian territory would put NATO at war with Russia. “It would mean that NATO countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he said earlier this month.
Storm Shadows and other precision-guided missiles provided by NATO countries require Western intelligence to be fired. Earlier this year, a German military leak revealed that British soldiers are “on the ground” in Ukraine helping fire Storm Shadows.
Ukraine could be granted permission to fire Storm Shadows into Russia during a meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Western officials at the UN General Assembly in New York this week.
One of the Times sources said that the US wants to move fast on the escalation because senior members of the Biden administration are focused on “legacy building” as the presidential election approaches.
Your legacy is genocide, proxy wars, corruption in Ukraine with a coup, and getting tossed out on your ass by donors.
Any sane person knows the way to fix that is to blow up the world. (Obvs /s),
The MIC has no common sense but they do have limitless pockets that the rest of us bankroll.
The idea of “common sense” is overrated. Look how many in the commons are morons who support aggression to oblivion.
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very important stuff
If there weren't a Ukrainian cemetery in the Philadelphia suburbs with a big ol' 1st Galician Waffen SS device on a massive monument they erected near the cluster of SS vet graves … erected in the 1990s … (one I just saw in person less than 2 months ago), this might be something worth caring about. If my wife hadn't attended a Catholic girls' school in the 1980s run by Ukrainian nuns who thought Ivan Demjaniuk was the right guy alright, but he didn't do anything wrong, this might be something worth caring about. If the US backed a coup in Russia to put these people in charge instead of backing a coup in Ukraine to put those people in charge, this might be something worth caring about. If my Polish Catholic relatives hadn't been forced out of Galicia in 1939-40 by these SS monsters for being slightly different Slavs with a slightly different rite of Catholicism, this might be something worth caring about. As it stands I know too much for your spamming to work.
Let me see if i follow your logic..
American Ukes erected a monument to a Ukrainian Nazi, Ukraine should perish.
Ukrainian nuns were apologists for a Ukrainian concentration camp guard during WWII so Ukraine should perissh.
There was no coup so I'll treat that as a Russian talking point.
Your relatives were forced out of Galicia by Nazis in 1939-1940 so Ukraine should perish.
Do I have your f**ked up logic correct?
Well come on, tell us why Ukraine has a damn thing to do with keeping Americans safe…
No Americans have to die fighting Russia.
No, unsurprisinly you don't. But then you make a point of showing logic not to be your strong suit. Assuming your nick isn't meant to be self deprecating satire, rational people would address the things said, not blindly lash out at strawmen crowding the space behind their eyes.
So, yes there are constantly people who are using Wikipedia as a means for their political or other kinds of activism. Of course, since the problem of neonazism in Ukraine remains very problematic for the propaganda campaign, even as Western media are careful to erase it from any of the reporting, and since denazification is a stated goal of the Russian SMO, projecting their problem on Russia is of course an almost irresistable avenue to pursue in the propaganda effort.
The problem with it that it is just not serious, or about as serious as identifying a mentally unstable Norwegian musician as the intellectual leader of Russian neonazism.
Just keep making s**t up to comfort yourself. Like children, you all need the bedtime stories and you can’t see you’re being manipulated by Russian propaganda.
It doesn’t matter, Ukraine has proven they can defeat Russia; all they need is Western support — which they will continue to receive.
Where is this Russian propaganda you speak about? There is none I can find. All Russian media has been censored. Every voice deemed not sufficiently Russophobic has been censored, from all media whether relevant or not. It is harder to find a Russian friendly voice here than hear a Palestinian friendly voice in Israel. All you can hear and see here 24-7 is the exact same nonsense you are regurgitating. It is really remarkable the amount of faith these people have in their belief that repeating lies make them true. Or perhaps it is rather fanaticism than faith.
Then I will fight information with information:
1. The SS was horrible. My great-grandmother fought with Bandera; not because she was a Nazi, but because she hated the Nazis AND the Soviets. The SS deserves to die and never come back.
2. I read on the Ivan Demjanjuk guy, and what he did was horrible. That school was probably just one school, but i’m Jewish so I cannot speak for them all
3. Zelenskyy isn’t even a Nazi. When I was in my early teens (i’m 20 now, I’m so old), I went to one of the protests cuz I was bored (wow a 10 year old at a riot, isn’t it amazing!!!!!!!!!!) The people there were all Ukraininan, all speaking Ukrainian, and all proud people fighting for their rights. America didn’t cause any coup here.
4. And like i’ve said, Bandera’s politics and ethnic views were horrible and genocidal. He was despicable in that respect. However, he fought for a Ukrainian state against the Nazi’s and Soviets. I am disgusted about the SS working with his men to murder poles.
5. I am an expert on my country; college educated. We spend a lot of time dwelling on Russia, so I am more knowledgeable about Russia and my home country than you unless Americans suddenly knew geopolitics; much less those of Russia and my home.
I spend a lot of time dwelling on chronic neuropathic pain, so I am more knowledgeable about medicine than an MD, right?
Yes – HEY was that meant as a hit?
So no
I dont know
Would you like to explain why the Ukrainian diaspora in the US and Canada erected monuments to the Waffen SS in North America in the 1990s, 5 years after the fall of the USSR?
not a true scotsman logic fallacy
https://www.indianpunchline.com/zelenskys-victory-plan-is-his-survival-kit/
MK Bhadrakumar
What a shame, and Ukraine had a wonderful fertile soil.
What weapon are the Russians going to use to ruin Ukraine's soil? This one?
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-missile-failed-during-test-researchers-imagery-indicate-2024-09-23/
Had. More'n a year of depleted uranium munition use means now the amazing depths of topsoil are now fertile sources of digestive-system cancers.
Not our fault
Well, not the DU or cluster munitions THEY used. The stuff Ukraine used – I mean, doesn’t Kiev care about the people who live in the Donbas ohhhh riiiiight….
KYIV not kiev
this genocide trope is gonna be the end of me my god
and russia says cluster munitions are legal as well so don’t be a hypocrite
If you know which city I’m referring to, WITAS cares if I use the original Western spelling or the New Aryan Non-Russian Variant
No, the genocide would have been the end of ethnic Russians in your country’s east. The RF stopped one problem by creating a different one.
Both sides are using DU and cluster munitions. Just a curious thing that K(XX)v seems content to poison their own territory. Almost as if they consider it lost already and are “scorching” the earth…
The alleged problem had been stopped. Conflict-related fatalities in the Donbas, which were never limited to “ethnic Russians,” were down to low double digits per year before the Russian regime escalated from mostly proxy warfare to open formal warfare.
Yes, it has been stopped. Solved one problem, created a different, bigger one.
The Russian invasion didn't solve the problem.
The problem was solved before the Russian invasion.
The Russian invasion seems to have been a matter of seeing a crisis going to waste and rushing to exploit it, only too late to be believable.
Kyiv is Ukrainian. Kiev is Russian. The Rus don’t control Kyiv anymore.
From now on, i’ll call DC Colombia to make you happy and Russia as the Kyivan Rus because you seem to be a fanatic about original names.
The Russian Culture in the east was never going to end xaxa
I’m Canadian. You can call Washington DC ‘Susan’, if you like.
“Pass us the blower, Susi.”
Oh nice
Kiev belongs to Russia. And soon, you’ll call them my brothers.
i’d rather die than call a Rus a brother
Then you’re an idiot.
Not really
That’s a shame. And in the end, you’ll soon find out on those who you relied upon will abandon you like a thief in the night.
Ok
Entertain your ideas in your head
Zelensky needs to be sent to his happy place with all haste.
Hahaha. Scott Ritter! Russian tool! Actually the Russians aren't gonna deploy s**t!
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-putin-nuclear-threats-1957633
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Is this report before or after Biden appears to have backed down after Putin's warning?
Not that it would surprise anyone if Biden changed his mind again… This has been his "consistent" – if that's the right term – behavior since becoming President.
Well, by now Biden says he "doesn't care" what Putin thinks. This really is a bad development. Ever since Gorbachev and Reagan, and even before- Kennedy and Kruschev- leaders of both the nuclear wonker states knew talking to each other was more important to world peace than ignoring each other.
Now we have an old man whose ego is bruised because the great money laundry of Ukraine is threatened with more realistic linguistically-shaped borders. But because our fearful allies in NATO (with the exception of a 61% German public opposition) don't care what happens between Russian and us, merely Russia and themselves, we find ourselves at the edge of the precipice, looking over the abysss.
God, save us from old men- and wicked women.
"The US and the UK may permit Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for long-range strikes inside Russian territory without it becoming public until the first one is fired…"
6:02 pm EST : "We've permitted our NATO weapons to be used inside Russian Federation territory, and just now the first salvoes have hit suburban Moscow."
6:09 pm EST : "Hi, White House Press Officer here again. Biiiiit of an update. Ahhh, seems Russian Federation hypersonic missiles with moderate-yield nuclear warheads just hit major military bases in all of Europe's NATO-member countries. If you own a Sixties vintage bomb shelter, now's a great time for it."
By the time we get approved to use storm shadow's we'll have our own cruise missile
which we already do because of the Palianytsia
Screw Around and Find Out – FAFO!
Russia has warheads that hit with the equivalency of 28,000-pound conventional warheads that can take out city blocks at each strike. The only weapons America has to compete are nuclear and that is a game ended for all mammals on earth humans and other animals.
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lavro on Saturday cut number 10 no one wants nuclear
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war we said this time and again let me assure you that we have weapons which if
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used will cause grave consequences for the masters of the Ukrainian regime these weapons are available and on full
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alert status what does that mean Scott on full alert
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status it means they're ready to fire right now um and they're not nuclear
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that's what that's the point I'm trying to to make here the the weapons that Russia would use against Ukraine in in a
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situation where they have made the decision to take the government of Ukraine out to take KB the government
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sector out are non-nuclear in nature they strategic weapons it's called the avangard it's a Hypersonic Warhead
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that's loaded on to strategic missiles um old ss1 19s the the sarmat the the
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new uh heavy missile uh the the yars mobile missile they all have regiments
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that are equipped with conventionally armed avang guards these will hit at 26
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impact on the ground at 26 times the speed of sound that's the equivalent of 26 ton bomb all right we've seen what
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happens when a 1.5 ton or a three ton bomb goes off this will be a 20 six ton bomb coming in Hypersonic speed it will
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take out entire blocks um and all Russia has to do is is sprinkle Kev with a half
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Cope harder
Russian submarine commanders may get clearance to turn London to a large crater. SARCHASM
Unhinged US Uk NEOCON warmongers have no idea what they are inviting.
It is beyond time to turn Ukraine into a no go zone devoid of fascists before we all are extinct.
NUUUUUUUCLEAR WEAPONS!!!!!
They know that they're only inviting more bluster.
It is remarkable to have so much faith in the Russian government and military, while understanding perfectly well that their American counterparts would not hesitate launching nuclear weapons in response of strikes with powerful missiles on US soil. It need not be on Washington, New York or any of their important cities. In fact just a credible threat would be enough, it already was in 1962, the Americans knew very well then it would have been suicidal and were ready to do it and they would have done it. Nothing was learned from that since, not even from how we actually crawled through the eye of that needle. Or the other needles since. Not by posturing and ignoring realities.
Nuclear doctrines are not symbolic, in fact they are alarmingly assured to be automatic.
I don't think and I certainly don't trust the Russian leadership to be importantly more sensible than the American one on this particular point. If they were there would not even be nuclear weapons, since they don't make sense in the first place as there is no way to use them that is not suicide. You'd have to explain this sort of stupidity in terms of the inescapable logic of and within the security dilemma.
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Only harebrained or non-brained Ukrainians believe the HS spewed by Ukrainian propaganda outlets on the web. Wow, the evil Ukrainians invented a web page on Wikipedia and published it as fact when it is nothing but lies from the fascist Ukrainians themselves.
Very soon Russia will clean house and disinfect the western half of Ukraine.
lol you think that were fascist
Clearly you aren’t familiar with Russia at all
Here is how close the earth came to an Extinction Level Event on 14 September 2024.
Pay attention at 21:36 in the video as Scott Ritter explains how America was closer to Nuclear Extinction of Humans on earth than at any point in the history of America.
Russia has warheads that hit with the equivalency of 28,000-pound conventional warheads that can take out city blocks at each strike. The only weapons America has to compete are nuclear and that is a game ended for all mammals on earth humans and other animals.
intellectual honesty
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that the US was closer to nuclear war on Saturday September 14 that at any time
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in our history maybe since the Cuban Missile Crisis do you still believe that
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from the perspective of 10 days later 100% I I I'm convinced at some point in
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time the history of what happened last week will be written and it should scare the living you know what out of every
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American um and I've learned even more since then I've had a very um
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interesting and frightening conversation with Theodor postal uh he's the MIT um
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scientist uh a specialist in um you know ballistic missiles and stuff I've I've been uh familiar with him and working
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with him since the Gulf War when uh he was the first non-military person to
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acknowledge what all military people knew that our Patriot missiles weren't shooting down any scuds and he's been
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exposing the lies of uh of of the US defense IND since then um but he you
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know he educated me about some technological advancements in our nuclear weapons fusing Etc that had an
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impact on our employment uh which uh causes us to be very forward leaning in
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terms of a preemptive nuclear conflict um and when you factor that into
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what was happening um it's even worse than than what I was saying again the
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American people need to wake the hell up excuse my language uh we almost all died
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last week I mean it just there's just no ifans or butts on this had we gone forward and signed the document that
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Kier starmer not an American by the way a British prime minister acting on the advice of British people not Americans
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who were acting on pressure given to them by ukrainians not Americans there's no American here had he signed that it
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would have set in motion events that without any doubt would have led to
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through cause and effect escalation a preemptive Nuclear Strike by the United States on Russia not
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Russia dropping nukes on NATO a preemptive Nuclear Strike by the United States because we can't win or manage
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conventional escalation using strategic assets Russia has the advantage there so
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the moment we start firing missiles into Russia and they start firing conventional missiles back into Europe
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they will have such devastating effect on NATO that the only option the United States will have is to initiate its
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nuclear employment Doctrine nuclear preemption escalate to
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deescalate and then it's all over 72 minutes as I said before it's worse than
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I what what I thought it was last week uh because our nuclear employment plan which no American knows about I just
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want to people in the history of this when John F Kennedy was briefed on the first nuclear employment plan after he
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became president 1961 he walked out of the Pentagon he said and we call ourselves the human
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race this is disgusting you're asking me to murder hundreds of millions of people
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I can't do that you have to give me other options but the war machine doesn't have any other options Lyndon
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Johnson almost got physically ill when he was briefed on it so too Richard Nixon who said this is insanity what are
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you talking about you can't ask me to make a decision that causes hundreds of millions of people to die every
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president's been briefed on this war plan uh up until George W bush said this
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is crazy even Ronald Reagan who you know was fighting the evil empire couldn't do
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it he said I can't do it that's why we need Strategic Defense Initiative that's why he went with nuclear disarm only
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George W Bush when the Cold War ended and we suddenly weren't facing mutually assed destruction said hey nuclear
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preemption could be in our benefit and then Barack Obama who said that's bad he
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went along with it Donald Trump doubled down by bringing in a new category of nuclear weapons and Joe Biden has
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doubled down by changing our employment Doctrine American people wake up we're the bad people in the world here we're
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the ones that have a policy of nuclear preemption and an employment plan designed to do that so as we Edge
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towards a crisis with Russia stop things about the Russians nuking us we start by
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nuking them that's the way it works here's uh foreign minister
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lavro on Saturday cut number 10 no one wants nuclear
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war we said this time and again let me assure you that we have weapons which if
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used will cause grave consequences for the masters of the Ukrainian regime these weapons are available and on full
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alert status what does that mean Scott on full alert
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status it means they're ready to fire right now um and they're not nuclear
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that's what that's the point I'm trying to to make here the the weapons that Russia would use against Ukraine in in a
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situation where they have made the decision to take the government of Ukraine out to take KB the government
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sector out are non-nuclear in nature they strategic weapons it's called the avangard it's a Hypersonic Warhead
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that's loaded on to strategic missiles um old ss1 19s the the sarmat the the
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new uh heavy missile uh the the yars mobile missile they all have regiments
27:09
that are equipped with conventionally armed avang guards these will hit at 26
27:16
impact on the ground at 26 times the speed of sound that's the equivalent of 26 ton bomb all right we've seen what
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happens when a 1.5 ton or a three ton bomb goes off this will be a 20 six ton bomb coming in Hypersonic speed it will
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take out entire blocks um and all Russia has to do is is sprinkle Kev with a half
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dozen of them and the city ceases to exist remind you they can also do that to Brussels to Nato headquarters they
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can do that to the British they could do that to anybody these aren't nuclear weapons and when they do this the impact
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will be so devastating it'll have a nuclear likee impact on the psychology of the West and there's the danger and
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this is where I would if I were advising LaBron say I understand your capabilities I understand what you can do but you need to understand what that
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would trigger and I do think he knows what it would trigger which is why he keeps saying we don't want to do this we
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don't want this escalation can those Russian hypersonics reach the east coast of the United States can reach anywhere
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in the United States they can reach the East Coast the West Coast they can hit anywhere and what they hit goes away and
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there's no defense against them none again American people we've spent over a trillion dollars building a ballistic
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missile defense system that doesn't work it never will work that's why we signed the 1972 anti-ballistic missile treaty
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because back then we realized this was stupid if you build a missile defense they will build a missile to defeat your
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missile defense and as you keep going you will always behind the power curve the missile will always beat the missile defense so why not just sign a treat
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that says let's not have missile defenses therefore since we're defenseless let's not go to war mutually assur destruction and since that's
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Insanity let's embark on arms control that reduces nuclear weapons not increases them and maybe we don't have
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to worry about any of this stuff now we're not doing that anymore we have no more Arms Control we're building missile defenses and the Russians have built
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missiles that can defeat our missile defenses and if we go to war uh it's going to be very ugly very
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quick Scott what are you doing Saturday September
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28th I'm going to uh participate in a rally that you're going to be participating in too a rally designed to
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again reinforce from my perspective what I consider to be the most existential threat to America today the threat of
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nuclear war again we almost died last weekend we're we're we're very close to death now because Biden still thinks he
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can sign that piece of paper and get away with because people are Whispering his ear they're bluffing they're bluffing did you see Bluff in lov's eyes
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when he showed you that clip when the judge showed you that clip there was no Bluff in those eyes the Russians know damn well what's going on and so I'm
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going to be participating in a rally for peace the Peace and Freedom rally um you
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know and we're going to be talking about a number of things I'll be focused on how to prevent a nuclear war Judge
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Andrew napala Tano the judge is going to be there talking about the assault on free speech and that's one again you
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know the US government is trying to shut me down they're trying the FBI came to my home to try and intimidate me silly
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FBI um to try and keep me from speaking up it didn't work but it does work
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there's a chilling effect on Americans who now are afraid to speak out because we've weaponized the courts in a frontal
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assault on free speech and and the judge is going to be talking about that Gerald Cante a wonderful man he's going to be
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talking about the peace movement and democracy Max Blumenthal and Ona perill who I believe all of you know because
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they're frequent guests they'll be talking about the Middle East about Gaza about that issue and we'll have a
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special guest appearance by Roger Waters who will be talking about peace preventing nuclear war and providing um
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some original music uh to you know because we don't want to depress the crowd too much there will be some
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entertainment inner spirits so that everybody doesn't go home suicidal but the goal here is to have a physical
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rally get as many people as possible into Kingston but we're also going to be uh streaming it live it's going to be
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streamed on multiple platforms I believe we're working with uh with with the judging Freedom podcast so that it's
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streamed to the judging Freedom audience I know that my podcast is GNA be do the same thing we're g to get to gy Zone to
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do it plus uh the the uh you know Gerald's going to be doing it on his if you want to see it you're gonna see it I
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this week I think I have my final coordinating meeting with uh Gerald uh today and we're going to be going on an
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advertising Blitz that's going to be putting out poster after poster flyer after flyer to tell you where to go if
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you want to physically be there or where to go if you want to be there um you know if you're too far away but watch it
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online four hours of your life ladies and gentlemen four hours your life to get empowered with knowledge and
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information to make your vote count in November Scott thank you very much my
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dear friend I will see you before the sun comes up on Saturday morning uh in