Jomana Abedi, the sister of Manchester bomber Salman Abedi, expressed surprise at learning her brother had bombed an Ariana Grande concert, killing 22 people, and in quotes to the Wall Street Journal said she believes he was motivated by a desire for revenge over US airstrikes in Syria.
Other family friends suggested that an incident in May of last year, in which a friend of his, also a Libyan living in Britain, died after being hit by a car and stabbed, and that since then, he had grown increasingly angry about the way Muslims were being treated, and grow more religious.
Despite having some increased religious consciousness, the local mosque says he was not a regular attendee at local prayers. His younger brother, Hashem Abedi, who was captured in Tripoli on Wednesday, claims that he and his brother were both members of ISIS.
All of this is likely to fuel further speculation, but British media quoted local Manchester residents as being “outraged” at quotes from his family speculating on why he carried out the attack, insisting that him having had any reason at all implied they were justifying what he did.
Right, the UK and the West is so bad that Muslims are pounding down the doors to get in.
As if events in Syria are causing the problems:
During the last 30 days, there were 169 Islamic attacks in 24 countries, in which 1051 people were killed and 955 injured. See list at:
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30
Islamic State Throws Iraqi Homosexual from Rooftop
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/04/01/graphic-photos-islamic-state-throws-iraqi-man-accused-homosexuality-rooftop/
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Muslim Female Genital Mutilation (FGM), where are the ‘feminists’?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/16/why-are-feminists-silent-after-revelations-of-female-genital-mutilation-in-the-us/
exc.: The doctor and the two girls have immigrant parents from Muslim countries, where Islamic leaders endorse the peculiar institution to keep women subordinate to men.
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/04/1st-Genital-Mutilation-Case-screenshot-640×480.jpg
Second Muslim Doctor Arrested in Female Genital Mutilation Ring
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/21/second-detroit-doctor-busted-in-female-genital-mutilation-ring/
exterminate offenders of Islam
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no sharia, no peace
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How many non-Islamic attacks were there during the same period? In what countries? How many were killed?
How many countries defend, and even promote, the widespread practice of male genital mutilation while complaining about the relatively rare female equivalent?
OK I give up – how many non-Islamic attacks were there in those countries?
I have no idea. I was just noting that “Wally” only seems to be interested in attacks that he believes justify his obsession with Islam.
So you’ve got nothing, other than your obsession to counter what you think is Wally’s obsession.
What obsession do you think that is?
Do we count the Western bombing killing children in Yemen and Syria and Libya and elsewhere?
Of course.
Absolutely. Why would you not? Terrorism is terrorism regardless of who commits it. That is one of the primary reasons the so-called War on Terrorism will fail and why it should be renamed the War of Terrorism. Dropping bombs on civilians from planes and drones is pure terrorism. Our actions define us – we are no better than them. And nothing will change until Americans come to that realization.
How rare is it? What is ‘relatively’? How many male mutilations are done? Which countries defend the practice? Promote?
Between 50 and 60 percent of infant males in the US are genitally mutilated, and the American medical establishment constantly comes up with new and novel theories to justify it as a medical practice rather than what it is — a barbaric cultural practice.
Why pound on Wally. He is merely commenting on certain suggestions for motives advanced by UK media. He has not come up with an academic, rounded review of the matter, so to pounce on him under the guise of “obsession with Islam”, is grossly unfair As a moderator, you are held to higher standards. Instead, you engage in the business of “balancing” when no such balancing is needed.
I agree with Wally that many Moslems want to come to UK and live there, and majority are regular citizens that do not subscribe to extremist views.
I also agree with Wally that Syria and Libya are not the only places in the world affected by extremist ideology and its attendant violence.
None of this requires lecturing — the kind you dish out regularly. But why? Why do you bother to come down on anyone who simply points out the inconsistencies of media-generated focus.
While we can safely agree that there are many — too many — places in the world where violence is taking lives of innocents, this is not excuse for not talking about a particular form of violence, especially in the context of one, specific act of terrorism in Manchester.
So, let me ignore your penchant for diversion from the specific topic and into the universal — and point out a VERY UNNERVING FACT to the entire neocon universe. Islamic extremist does exist! Saudi Wahhabism has spawned thousands of cults, obsessed with the religion and obsessed with the notion that sovereign states and their institutions are the cause of all evil in Moslem world. This ideology of global governance without borders is pleasing to neocon international, as it is pleasing to Saudi and Gulf monarchies. Neocons, Israel and Arab monarchies are the inspiration, funding, and the arming force behind the hundreds of cults ravaging not just Middle East but many other places around the globe.
The fellow in Manchester was probably recruited by UK or our own intelligence, on his non-existent income he managed to travel many times to Libya, and participate in fighting against Assad in Syria. Let us see how quickly this information disappears from the media. Like it never existed. Instead, Murdoch will treat us with the theory that he was “Assad supporter”, to add to the reasons for attacking Syria.
What a web we weave. Some better then others.
Why pound on Wally. He is merely commenting on certain suggestions for motives advanced by UK media. He has not come up with an academic, rounded review of the matter, so to pounce on him under the guise of “obsession with Islam”, is grossly unfair As a moderator, you are held to higher standards. Instead, you engage in the business of “balancing” when no such balancing is needed.
I agree with Wally that many Moslems want to come to UK and live there, and majority are regular citizens that do not subscribe to extremist views.
I also agree with Wally that Syria and Libya are not the only places in the world affected by extremist ideology and its attendant violence.
None of this requires lecturing — the kind you dish out regularly. But why? Why do you bother to come down on anyone who simply points out the inconsistencies of media-generated focus.
While we can safely agree that there are many — too many — places in the world where violence is taking lives of innocents, this is not excuse for not talking about a particular form of violence, especially in the context of one, specific act of terrorism in Manchester.
So, let me ignore your penchant for diversion from the specific topic and into the universal — and point out a VERY UNNERVING FACT to the entire neocon universe. Islamic extremist does exist! Saudi Wahhabism has spawned thousands of cults, obsessed with the religion and obsessed with the notion that sovereign states and their institutions are the cause of all evil in Moslem world. This ideology of global governance without borders is pleasing to neocon international, as it is pleasing to Saudi and Gulf monarchies. Neocons, Israel and Arab monarchies are the inspiration, funding, and the arming force behind the hundreds of cults ravaging not just Middle East but many other places around the globe.
The fellow in Manchester was probably recruited by UK or our own intelligence, on his non-existent income he managed to travel many times to Libya, and participate in fighting against Assad in Syria. Let us see how quickly this information disappears from the media. Like it never existed. Instead, Murdoch will treat us with the theory that he was “Assad supporter”, to add to the reasons for attacking Syria.
What a web we weave. Some better then others.
“As a moderator, you are held to higher standards”
Yes, I am — with respect to moderation.
With respect to commenting, I’m a commenter with my own opinion, and no amount of pouting about it on your part will change that.
You don’t know what your talking about Thomas if you are comparing circumcision to clitoris removal . Circumcision has been found to greatly reduce sexually transmitable diseases .and is practiced by all three religions . like more than a 50% reduction in some African countries . Unless you believe the religious are less sexually inclined . Where the female operation is true mutilation . I suppose you think the habit of eating fish once a week is harmful and sinful to .
“Circumcision has been found to greatly reduce sexually transmitable disease”
Yes, that was one of the medical claims that lasted for a year or two before being debunked. They come up with a new one every few years.
Genital mutilation is genital mutilation is genital mutilation. The reason you don’t have a problem with one version of it is that it is a version your culture accepts, full stop.
Very few I know of no other religion that believe it is their duty to kill non believers Other non Muslims might have even killed more people because of robbery , rape and other crimes But only Islam kills for Islam . Christian and even Buddhists might kill but they don’t do it for their religion So don’t talk so stupid .
Funny the Daily Caller linked to a WSJ article
http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/25/manchester-bomber-wanted-revenge-for-us-airstrikes-in-syria/
indicating that the Manchester bomber has sympathy for the Assad govt by being outraged by the cruise missile attack on his airbase.
Talk about being clueless. Apparently they are totally unaware of all of the U.S. air strikes taking place in Syria and discounting the possibility that he wanted to avenge his ISIS brothers. I don’t have a WSJ subscription so I don’t know if the DC writer was ad libbing or just summarizing thoughts from WSJ. In any case, it’s absurd to link this to Assad but that is what you get when you have tunnel vision.
It is the American neocons that are frightened at the prospect of this case undermining their cherished goal — use of Wahhabi spawned cults to topple or disable all secular countries in the Middle East. But now that a direct connection can be made between the participant in terrorist groups in Syria, working against Assad, and in Libya, working against anyone that would form a government against the wishes of their minders — the gig is dangerously exposed. They swooped into Libya to catch anybody who may know too much.
So, what would a neocon papers do? Naturally, turn the terrorist they nurtured and deployed, into “Assad supporter”, so we can “hate Assad”. I wonder if the citizens of western countries are just simply deficient in intelligence, and liable to buy such lies.
obviously they are very deficient . they have been brainwashed by the weekly reader since the first grade in school to think the United Nations and NATO are wonderful NWO organizations . Why else would bad terrorists be anyone other than a Assad supporter . Assad that uses Sarin gas on his own people . Russia told us not to use Muslim terrorists for our soldiers because once you get them started . they are very hard to stop .. Yes the NWO used them in Afghanistan, Libya , Egypt and Syria and now they are coming home to roost . The NWO will protect them at home until they need them again .
It’s a pity no one explained to young men like this that the Jihadists WORK for Washington and Obama gave the order in writing in a Finding to launch the attack of the Jihadist paramilitaries on Syria.
The Islamic Jihadist paramilitaries have been a central tool of US foreign policy since the mid-seventies.
The objective is Regime Change and installation of a client regime.
The Jihadists , as they think can then be put back in the box.
Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party leader, has just been blowing the whistle in a major speech in London this morning.
How about Antiwar.com putting it up ?
It is not Manchester residents that are “outraged” at speculating into motives, as they supposedly implied justification for his act — but it is the intelligence community as well as the politicians who have the country deep up to its eyeballs into the mayhem of Libya and Syria, and who funded and probably trained the same person who committed atrocities. The bomber is far more likely to be angry at the Western governments that are now recalibrating their support for many groups — and probably felt betrayed. All the Wahhabi spawned cults in Iraq, Syria or Libya — and now just about anywhere in the world where poor Moslems can be found — are in one way or another financed, trained and directed by Western intelligence, working hand in hand with Israeli, Saudi and other Gulf monarchies and their intelligence.
In UK, there were already two defendants coming back from Syrian war — and accused of participating in terrorist organizations — won their release claiming that they did it on behalf of UK official foreign policy supporting Syrian “rebels’.
This case may be by far more damning. It is very likely the case of someone working with intelligence in both Libya and Syria, travelling frequently to those regions. It is no wonder how quickly has the officialdom jumped at arresting those in Libya that know too much about the real connections of the bomber. Most likely, he is a fanatic that was very useful, like thousands of such idiots — just to find out how disposable his ilk really is. And he used his skills, the ones he used on innocents in Syria with efficiency, on poor innocents in Manchester.
Bianca I think is absolutely right.
I didn’t know about the two cases.
Lies. This narrative of “being angry about the treatment of Moslems” is such a neocon product. Let us not ever say that there is such a thing as Islamic cults. We can only use terms such as “extremism” or “terrorism”, heavens forbid, “Islamic”. Because it is our swamp that is protecting its biggest asset, Saudi Wahhabi-spawned Islamic cults. Under myriad of names, there is a black flag to guide them all. And the Wahhabi ideology they are faithful to — faithful to the extreme, violating many tenets of Islam in the process. They are in a hurry to get to heaven, so few short cuts are necessary.
While WE cannot mention Islamic Wahhabi-spawned cults, the entire Sunni Moslem world knows what this is all about — and does not mind talking. Let us see: which Sunni sect considers Shia Moslems as non-believers. No Turkish Sunni branches, such as Sufi or Hannafi do. In Egypt, Al-Ahrar Sunni authority does not subscribe to that. What about other large Sunni countries, like Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Indonesia? Sudan? No, no, no and no. In fact, Saudi Arabia and Gulf minions are the only ones. But wait, why is often Qatar the target for “sponsoring terrorists” in our “mainstream press”. You can guess; it is because of its misgivings about Iran, and trying to maintain contacts. In spite of risks, both Kuwait and Oman are keeping channels open to Iran. The only true support Saudi Kingdom has is from UAE, and its protectorate, Bahrain.
Thus, the fanaticism that exists in our politically correct neocon universe about not daring to call the terrorist associated with Islamic cults — Islamic, is purely for the purposes of protecting their precious sponsor, Saudi
Arabia and NOT to spare the feelings of Moslems. Or to prevent Islamophobia Just the opposite is happening — Islamophobia is growing in strength the more the issue is suppressed. The state of affairs is preventing Moslem communities in all Western countries to act against these cults — as the cults are protected by “freedom of religion”, and for virtue signaling — the love of Moslems. In short, Moslems in Western countries are not stupid — they know that these cults are being used by Western geopolitical interventions, and that it is really NOT DESIRABLE FOR THEM TO TRY TO ORGANIZE AND OSTRACIZE SUCH CULTS. They are effectively told to shut up, and never allow to call these cults “Islamic’. We know how damaging cults are, there were plenty of Christian ones. But until we are all allowed to act against the cults, to engage communities, , and other institutions — we will be led by our noses into believing that associating these groups with Islam is bad manners, and will INCREASE terrorism. This is why Assad is so “bad”, as his army and population are fighting back the scourge of Wahhabi-spanned Islamic cults. He is thus bad — killing his own people! Never mind that these “people” do not represent population at large, that population is not a willing hostage to those cults. Never mind that everybody in Moslem world knows what those well armed and well commanded cults are doing — we are the ones that are POLICED even on this site for calling these Wahhabi cults — Islamic.
Guess what, the Moslems will be the first ones that will feel liberated once this GAG is removed. Once they are free to fight back against Salafism, the generic name for Wahhabi-spawned Islamic cults. These cults reject basic tenets of Islam, and everybody knows it. Trump said it clearly before, and there were many Moslem supporters that urged communities to go after cults and prevent them from praying on the young, impressionable, angry or just mentally ill. But it is NOT ALLOWED. Just mentioning the cult names is NOT ALLOWED. It is only allowed to use words such as “terrorism” or “extremism”. This then gives neocons the flexibility in redefining groups as “good” or “bad”, as needed. Al-Qaeda was “bad” when the time came to invade Afghanistan, but now it is really good again, as their UK sponsors keep on inventing new names for the group in Syria, and the mainstream media shed crocodile tears when the head-choppers were ousted from Aleppo. But — not to worry. There are White Helmets with Al-Qaeda, and they get Oscar for their fake work. And then we cover up the pictures they took while removing a body whose head was cut off. Our “mainstream” hurried up to explain that it was a punishment for murder! Really.
So, we will continue — in spite of all the efforts of this site, to talk about the Islamic cults, and the nefarious entities that RECRUIT young idiots in Western countries. It is easy to recruit in the Middle East. For food and shelter, and the cult like fervor pitched by a Saudi preacher, and a CIA hand directing the military efforts — you can build armies of destitute. Ask Syrians. They are the first victims of a concentrated effort to remove a secular government, elected by people — by Islamic cults and their enablers.
This one cannot go back into the box. Yes, it is easy to intimidate Moslems. They cannot confront Saudi preachers in American mosques. This is why the younger generation of Moslems in US is more radical then the older generation. The younger ones have been told by Saudi preachers what TRUE Islam is.
Let us get off our self declared perch of supposed high moral ground. Like all other moralists, we are hypocrites. And this is what causes more hurt and pain then the plain truth.
How are UK teen girls or Ariana Grande related to US airstrikes in Syria?
How are 8 year old girls in Yemen related to terrorist attacks in Europe?
Terrorism only begets more terrorism. Hate only begets more hate. The only way to win the “War on Terror” is to cease committing all acts of terrorism even in response to terrorism. I am talking to would-be-jihadists and would-be-Western soldiers alike. Someone has to take the high ground. Someone has to be first to drop the sword. This is a call against arms. It’s been too long.
There is an unspoken assumption in the West in the (perpetual) War on Terror that the deaths of innocents in drone attacks are regrettable, but, alas, these things happen in war. How would opinions change if it were also assumed that for every such death, someone would drive a car onto the curb, as happened in England? The idea that this is a manifestation of a propensity for Moslem violence ignores the fact that in Germany, for example, there was virtually none from the time of WWI until the NATO countries involved themselves in one war after another (and not for “democracy” or “human rights” either in the Middle East