With President Trump’s visit already riling several other members of Israel’s far-right government related to whether the Western Wall, which Israel captured militarily in 1967, is occupied, Israeli Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked found a new reason to be outraged, the map of Israel that the White House has been circulating ahead of Trump’s trip.
The White House map is accurate, and that’s the problem from Shaked’s perspective, as she was expecting the White House map to recognize all of the occupied territories, every scrap of the West Bank and the Golan Heights, as Israeli territory.
That the White House didn’t do this, because they had literally no reason to have been expected to do this, Shaked said she hoped this was just a matter of US “ignorance” and not an expression of US policy recognizing Israel’s actual map as the extent of Israel’s territory.
Shaked went on to note that her party, Jewish Home, was clear in their policy of ensuring that the Palestinians never get a state, and suggested that she expected to see Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ensure that policy was implemented, and to get Trump’s backing for it.
Why do they need all this land? So they can build condos and plant pine trees in the desert? Why can’t they do that anyway and just drop all the bullcrap? Why Zionism? What purpose does all the friction serve? Isn’t it easier just to be decent to each other? I mean, seriously?
When you go and eff your neighbors up for whatever reason, it’s going to come back on you. You’ll always be looking over your shoulder. It’s just a lot less BS to just drop all that nonsense and treat folks decently and go about your business.
Why do they need all this land? So they can build condos and plant pine trees in the desert? Why can’t they do that anyway and just drop all the bullcrap? Why Zionism? What purpose does all the friction serve? Isn’t it easier just to be decent to each other? I mean, seriously?
When you go and eff your neighbors up for whatever reason, it’s going to come back on you. You’ll always be looking over your shoulder. It’s just a lot less BS to just drop all that nonsense and treat folks decently and go about your business.
It’s harder to justify land theft when every one is getting along…
If there is CONSTANT trouble, ,”we will need more land to get farther away from the troublemakers” becomes the reason.. But stealing the land causes more trouble, which fuels louder demands of exclusion… Answer, forced solution… But trying to force a THERMONUCLEAR power is a tricky business….
Looks like they will be killing the native non-Jewish inhabitants and their children and taking their land by one devise or another until there is some change in the power dynamic, like happened in South Africa..
As of now the aggressor/occupiers seem to be assured success, but there is an demographic storm gathering, and there will be some big military/technological breakthroughs coming. Not all of which will profit a large beaurocratic central governments with large indigenous populations turned hostile… Think fourth generation hostilities…
If the government seizes land to build a road, people say that the government is exercising its power of eminent domain.
If the Israeli government seizes land to build a road, people say that the Israeli government is stealing.
Why?
In order for the question to be relevant, the claims prior to the question would have to be true.
They aren’t.
It’s stealing when the US government does it, and it’s stealing when the Israeli government does it.
“Eminent domain” is politicalese for “we’re stealing your land and you can’t do anything about it because we’ve got more guns than you do.”
When seizing land through eminent domain, the government compensates or at least promises to compensate the owner.
Thieves don’t.
The government is not just the gang with the most guns. The government is considered legitimate by most people everywhere. Even if they hate the ruler, most people agree that there should be a government.
So if I take your car without your permission and give, or promise to give, you a dollar for it, I’m not stealing it, right?
Theft is theft.
Rasmussen polls periodically on whether or not Americans consent to be governed by the existing government. Sometimes as many as 20% say they do. But not usually.
I don’t think Trump will take kindly to the bullying… He’s no Chris Christie.
Keep it up, Ayelet.
Please!
I’ve noticed, in reading reports about Israel and its leaders, that they seem to “rage” quite a bit. “Outraged”. “Enraged”. Or as a verb, “Raged.” I wonder if Israeli politicians are just more emotional than most, walking around pulling out their hair or stomping their feet, throwing up their arms in despair or incessantly flipping off the world, or whether US newswriters simply see them that way or, more likely, both. There is power to be had in being the loudest person in the room.
I am old enough to remember scenes from WWII. The Axis leaders in their addresses to the public (Hitler, Mussolini, etc.) were always shown as enraged – shaking their fists and stomping their feet with their faces contorted. It is the sign of an indignant child who is not sure that he will get his way.
The more they rage, the more obvious it is that Israeli policy is unreasonable.
There is no doubt ALL occupied territory will be transferred (or retained, depending on your opinion) by Israeli settlers. The Golan is likely to be de-facto occupied. We should fully expect Trump and Kushner to keep Israel’s far-right satiated. Concessions elsewhere are possible.
Israel needs a Palestinian state so that Israel can stay majority-Jewish.
It should have been obvious to anyone for a long time now that Israel is utterly unreasonable, and is run by nut jobs, to use Trump’s phrase.
We can only unshackle ourselves. We can’t make them be something they are not.
Israeli aspirations = abject greed.
Use it? Hell, Palestinians aren’t even allowed to cross it!
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning!!
And a short memo the US government; the American people have gotten
sick and tired of US aid, both financial and military, “never being enough” for this wretchedly apartheid, self-declared theocracy with nuclear
weapons which is what Israel has become in the 21st century.
As you are aware (or should be aware) all aid to Israel is completely illegal under the Symington Amendment, which prohibits any aid from going to a
nuclear armed country which refuses to become signatory to the NNPT, and refuses to have its nuclear facilities inspected.
Israel comes in at a big fat zero-compliance on both issues, so what is the
deal here, please?!?
The victim card has been played once too often by an Israeli government
which spits in the face of US officials, and tells them it’s raining.
And did I mention serial genocide against the Palestinians, coupled with
brisk annexations of property in the West Bank and East Jerusalem? The
Israeli government will not listen to anything approaching a two state
solution; it wants territory, and to get rid of as many Palestinians as it
thinks it can, and by any means necessary.
It is high time for all US aid, both military and financial, to stop now,
because this is the only language the Israeli government understands.
No more wars for the crap hole state of Israel. And, that is PRECISELY what this greasy neocon obsession to drag the US military into Syria is all about.
No more wars FOR ISRAEL. Instead, Let’s wage war ON ISRAEL and wipe these evil snakes off the face of the planet.
waaaa, they didn’t include the land WE STOLE! waaaaa