The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has finally released the notorious “28 pages” from the 9/11 Report, which had been kept classified, and which detail more or less exclusively with the culpability of the Saudi Arabian government in the attacks.
Though the White House claimed, even after the release, that the pages “proved” the Saudis had nothing to do with it, they did anything but that, providing considerable evidence that the hijackers had contact with two probable Saudi intelligence officers in advance of the attacks, and had received support from those officers.
The information centers on two men, Omar Bayouni and Osama Bassman. Bayouni was said to have provided “substantial assistance” to the hijackers in 2000, and had extensive contact with the Saudi government at the same time.
Bayouni was nominally an employee of Ercan, a subsidiary of a company with substantial ties to the Saudi Defense Ministry, and was in frequent contact with a Defense Ministry official responsible for air traffic control. Though he was only confirmed to have ever actually gone to Ercan one time, he received a $465 per month “allowance” from them, which was increased to $3,700 a month after he met with the hijackers.
In addition to the money he got from Ercan, Bayouni’s wife also received $1,200 a month from Princess Haifa Bint Sultan, the wife of the then Saudi Ambassador to the United States. The two kept receiving this money after Bayouni’s contact with the 9/11 hijackers right up until late July or early August of 2001, when they left the country.
Bassman, on the other hand, lived across the street from the hijackers, and says he was introduced to them by way of Bayouni. The CIA says they believe he got a fake passport from the Saudi government, and the FBI says he was a known support of al-Qaeda who spoke of bin Laden “like a god” as far back as 1992. He and his wife also received significant financial support from Princess Haifa, to the tune of $74,000 for “nursing services” that there is no evidence were ever provided.
The FBI also reported millions of dollars in wire transfers from Saudi Arabia, purportedly laundered through the Tamiyah Mosque in Culver City, delivered to al-Barakaat, a Somali company affiliated with Osama bin Laden. The FBI said they believed this was a way for the Saudi government to covertly and indirectly fund al-Qaeda.
The 28 pages also mention that several active-duty Saudi Naval officers had contact with the hijackers in the lead-up to 9/11. Interestingly, however, despite the high-profile “declassification” of this documents, essentially this entire section is redacted in the final release, meaning the details are still secret.
FBI officials ultimately conceded they hadn’t focused on Saudis in the lead-up to 9/11 because they were supposed to be an American ally, and even by the time of the 9/11 report they told the Joint Inquiry neither they nor the CIA could “definitively” identify the true extent of Saudi government ties to al-Qaeda or terrorism in general, though it had become a priority. Both agencies also noted the Saudis were extremely uncooperative with their investigations into 9/11, though one FBI official noted this wasn’t out of the ordinary, and that the Saudis were “useless and obstructionist” for years on any investigation they didn’t think was directly in their interest.
The Joint Inquiry ultimately tried to shrug off the myriad evidence provided by the FBI and CIA, saying that independently confirming the reports was beyond the scope of their investigation, and that there were conceivably “innocent” explanations for all the aid provided to the hijackers in the lead-up to the attack.
Still, the document certainly provides more ammunition for families of 9/11 victims who have sought to sue Saudi Arabia over its involvement in the attack, and despite the White House’s protestations, will only fuel the fire of questions about whether this high-profile American ally actually played a role in the largest attack in history on US soil.
The Saudis are no “ally” to America. They are only an ally to American corporations and the politicians they have bought and paid for.
Yes. The frightening thing however is that these business interests include high ranking figures in the Bush White House. I don’t buy any of that controlled demolition bullshit but a lot of powerful people picked the perfect time to make all there neocon dreams come true just by looking the other way. Maybe this is all just a bunch of coincidences but it makes you wonder. We’ll probably never know for sure but the possibility still freaks my sh*t right the f**k out.
“We” know for sure comrade but you may never snap out of it and know much of anything.
Said like a hired troll… Go figure… !!!!!
F**K OFF TROLL!
You need to watch the building 7 collapse video… Again
I was also skeptical but after watching building 7 (many times) and hearing the “Architects and engineers for 911 Truth” (2,579 engineers and architects) there is no doubt that at, a minimum building 7, was a controlled demolition.
All three buildings collapsed In exactly similar fashion. That alone makes one think. Besides no plane debris or wreckage was found at the Pentagon site and the other site ?? where only a whole in the ground was found……..
> All three buildings collapsed In exactly similar fashion.
It’s called gravity. Only in Hollywood movies do buildings collapse in interesting fashion.
Steel frame buildings do not collapse because of fire. Nor would the thousands of tons of concrete used in the floor slabs have been completely pulverized and blown all over Manhattan due to fire.or gravity.
Yes! Gravity! LOL! The buildings collapsed at free fall speed since the steel frames in all three buildings gave way at exactly the same moment. God, it’s fun to be alive in America! We are actually living in a Hollywood movie.
Has anyone ever tried to drill a small hole through a steel I-beam? Try it, and you’ll laugh yourself silly at the thought of these buildings imploding through office fires.
Controlled demolitions don’t take more than three hours from the beginning of the collapse to the end of the collapse, as happened with WTC 7.
In a controlled demolition, the building collapses symmetrically, not in an asymmetric spiral as happened with WTC 7.
If it was an intentional demolition, as opposed to an effect of 25% of 9 floors being gouged out by tower ejecta, causing an unsupportable shift onto too few remaining trusses, it was a rush job, not a controlled one (or at best not a very WELL controlled one).
Which might very well be the case. It’s possible that Silverstein realized the damage was so bad that instead of trying to repair it with a partial insurance settlement it would be better for him financially if the building was “totaled” and got a crew out to “pull it” ASAP.
Three hours? Asymmetrical collapse? What are you talking about? WTC7 came down symmetrically in under 15 seconds. You must be referring to the NIST computer model that matched nothing in reality..
WTC 7 fell into its own footprint. It did not do so symmetrically, it did so in a spiral fashio.
The collapse first became visible in one corner of the top floor at about 2pm, and completed about three hours and 20 minutes later.
I try to keep an open mind to all theories concerning what happened on 9/11, but it’s hard — I’ve given the “inside job! Look at WTC 7!” crowd nearly 15 years to come up with so much as a shred of evidence to support their hypothesis (it’s not a theory because it’s not falsifiable — every time it’s pointed out that the facts don’t fit the theory, the proponents either temporarily change the theory or permanently ignore the facts); any time they’d like to deliver, I’ll give more weight to their obsession.
Yes, Thomas, it’s possible. It’s also possible that NASA actually landed a golf cart on Mars to drive around and take full color pictures and send them back to earth. That’s the beauty of the human mind. You can believe any silly thing you hear or think you see.
Controlled demolitions don’t take more than three hours from the beginning of the collapse to the end of the collapse, as happened with WTC 7.
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Thomas Knapp you are peddling your usual nonsense again. By he building collapsed in six and a half seconds. That is what the video tape shows. A building standing motionless up until the moment the collapse actually begins is not in a state of collapse.
Your being profoundly silly to make the statement that the collapse of building 7 took three hours.
Larry Silverstein confirmed it was a demolition on video.
Larry Silverstein used the term “pull it.” That sounds like a reference to a demolition to me, and in context — but that’s not the same as saying he said “it was a demolition.”
And even if it WAS a demolition, there are plausible explanations for it other than “9/11 was an inside job.” One of them is that the building was so badly damaged that he decided the insurance money for a “totaled” building would be a better deal than trying to repair it, and sent in a demolition crew to do a quickie job.
Evidentiary support for that hypothesis: 1) The building had already begun collapsing more than three hours before it completed collapse. Would it have completed on its own? Who knows?
2) When it DID complete it did so in an asymmetric spiral manner rather than symmetrically as would be expected with a professional demolition done at leisure with plenty of time.
Don’t we face enough challenges in confronting Pentagon policy without making science-ignorant claims?
Steel framed buildings have collapsed many times due to fire. https://truthersaresanitychallenged.wordpress.com/2008/01/25/steel-buildings-that-collapsed-due-to-fire-before-9-11/
It’s not hard to figure out why – metals lose much of their ability to hold structure and weight at 40-50% of the temperature of their melt point and exponentially beyond that. People seem to think that a structure is boolean – that it holds shape & weight until it melts. That’s not how the universe works.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html
Anyone might also note that virtually every – all the ones I see, I don’t claim to have viewed all – controlled demolition on YouTube will show you that the charges are set off at the bottom of the buildings first & they collapse into themselves with the top floor the last destroyed. This is the polar opposite of the WTC collapses.
Why anyone thinks that the conspirators would concoct two airplane stories but not a third (for WTC 7) … or why they would be spaced out long enough for the world’s cameras to capture video of the demolitions… or why especially given that there was already a plot to explode the WTC in the 90s why a conspiracy wouldn’t simply plant explosives and blame the A-rabs… or why when wanting to attack Afghanistan & Iraq the conspirators would “forge” papers for people from Saudi and the UAE… I dunno. You’re not making a lick of sense.
Yeah, hi, I was the FIRST one who said the controlled demolition theory WAS BULLSHIT. All I said was that there were some very well informed people who seemed to look the other way. That’s the only conspiracy that I find plausible. That a few people in high places MAY have chose to ignore the warnings about an attack that they found strategically useful. And this is a strong MAYBE. I’m not a Truther I’m just a historical agnostic. There are unanswered questions worth asking. That’s all I’m saying here. Don’t get me confused with the fringe theorists.
This report is a white wash.An attempt to conceal the probable truth.If the Saudis and Bin Laden and the alleged executors had the capability to pull off some thing like 9/11,they would have ruled the world today. None of them does possess the intelligence and means to carry out what they are alleged to have done.They are all fall guys.The real perpetrators may be having hearty laughs all the while.And in all probability this perpetrators or their henchmen themselves might have prepared the report.
The Martians. It’s always a good laugh when you people’s conspiracy theory falls apart and you get all bent trying to say it didn’t.
The libertarian’s world of lunacy and fantasies!
We know it was a conspiracy Doney, only disagreement concerns who the conspirators were…..
You name them
Where does it fall apart? Be precise. There were no hijackers as no plane wreckage has been found anywhere and building 7 was not even hit by a plane. I would call people who swallow the official version of the destruction of the towers MYTHOLOGISTS !!
“no plane wreckage has been found anywhere”
True. Except, of course, for all the plane wreckage that was found everywhere.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=9%2f11+plane+wreckage
Honourable intentions Thomas but you know as well as I do that it’s nothing but treadinig water with those whackjobs. And this one is still ‘pulling’ hint, hint, on building 7’s foundations.
Relax.Americans might be knowing what exactly happened.But the can not and will not react.They are destined to be your slaves. Why get agitated!
> None of them does possess the intelligence and means to carry out what they are alleged to have done
This must be coming from a new-generation ‘murrican TV dweller.
Implying that you need to be Doctor No instead of just having the drive to do it and a “try then try again” mentality.
Bin Laden was a well-monied construction work entrepreneur. And more or less the same people already pulled of a bomb attack on WTC a few years before 9/11 which could have ended very badly indeed.
You can wish away it as a conspiracy theory. But the reality,hard reality, remains that Laden or for that matter any Muslim group has the wherewithal to pull off this.And don’t worry. Nothing will happen to you or change your fortunes even if it is proved beyond doubt.America has become a land of zombies.They will accept whatever you do or say. Remember there are living martyrs of USS Liberty bombing.Americans don’t complain.They accept any thing meekly.They are incapable of any thing otherwise
All the report indicates is that the Saudis knew each other, but that is true of any small minority living in an area. Saudi Arabia transferring money to Al-Qaeda through a Culver City mosque does not make any sense. Anyone cooking up such conspiracy theory should be laughed at. OBL had lost support of Saudis long time ago when he practically declared Jihad against the royal family after the Iraq/Kuwait war. The only time Saudis supported him was the time when the CIA was supporting him during the Soviet/Afghan conflict.
“Saudi” is not a monolitic bloc of decision making. At best it is “the set of official policy statements made by the King of Saud as aided by a teleprompter”. They have their “deep state” as do the US, Russia or Turkey. Interests may align … or not.
So it was not the royal family nor the Saudi government but some nebulous deep state? If there is such a thing then they too could have found a far better route to fund OBL than to go through the Culver City mosque.
So the Hoos of Saud helped pony up the causes beli for the war that took out their Ole enemy… Who would be dumb enough to……
“Saudis were extremely uncooperative with their investigations into 9/11,…. “useless and obstructionist”
Is that an excuse not to have aggressively pursued the investigation? What we need is an independent investigation with subpoena powers to not only investigate the Saudis but to seek out the traitors who covered up the crimes and that includes Bush, Cheney and charge Obama with obstruction of justice if he interferes. It’s not only the Saudis who are criminal but the Americans who protected them.
The Saudis were just the patsies set up by the CIA.
“FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.” — http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0726-911Report.html
They probably just collected Arabic-sounding names from the flight info and declared all of them to be terrorists. Have not seen any proof of any sort.
Check the passenger lists at http://www.twf.org/News/Y2001/0926-passengers.pdf
This I know positively;The zionist media has protected the Saudis since that day,and they are our partners in terror throughout the ME.
Who would believe a government who spreads wars and kills thousands? Really? Not this guy!
(Jan.1998) US history – “How Jimmy Carter I Started the Mujahideen” – Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor 1977-1981
“Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a13_1240427874
Zbigniew Brzezinski Taliban Pakistan Afghanistan pep talk 1979
In 1979 Carters National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski went into Pakistans border regions with Afghanistan to give a little pep talk to some prospective majehadeen (Holy Warriors).
… But that was the good war.
Good for the CIA drug cartel. Jan 9, 2015 Opium Production in Afghanistan Sets Record – American Soldiers Helping Heroin Sales
June 10, 2014 Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production
http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053
http://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/opium-fields10-1024×682.jpg
9/11 In A Nutshell as James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11
https://youtu.be/vrJiKbK0tVM
General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned – Seven Countries In Five Years
“This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”
https://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw
May 25, 2014 FDNY 9/11 Survivor Witness and Whistleblower Speaks on WTC 7
Listen very carefully starting at the ’20’ second mark!
As a firefighter on 9/11, he was at Ground Zero and was there when Building 7 came down. In this episode of 9/11 Free Fall, he relives his experience that day, recounting how he believes the buildings in New York were brought down in controlled demolitions.
https://youtu.be/ePPdUUISQOs?list=UUhwwoeOZ3EJPobW83dgQfAg
I just love stuff like this….
“With *Likely* Saudi Intelligence
” the hijackers had contact with two *probable* Saudi intelligence
” al-Barakaat, a Somali company *affiliated* with Osama bin Laden.
Er…..some how people missed the facts on the al-Barakaat company
RE: al-Barakaat, a Somali company
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liban_Hussein
”In February 2012, all charges against Al-Barakat were dropped, and all 17 entities associated with the Al-Barakat Group of Companies were removed from the UN Security Council al-Qaida Sanctions Committee’s list, including the Barakat Bank of Somalia, Al-Barakat Exchange and Barakat Telecommunications Company.[3]
http://allafrica.com/stories/200209100254.html
Somalia: Did US Rush to Judge Somali Company?
By Kevin J. Kelley
New York — THE UNITED States appears to be edging away from its post-September 11 allegations that a worldwide money transfer syndicate headquartered in Somalia is extensively linked to Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda terrorist organisation.
Six Somalia-connected individuals or businesses involved in money-transfer operations and previously accused of ties to Al Qaeda were removed last week from a US Treasury Department list of alleged terrorism supporters.”
It mystifies me why people who are concerned enough about issues to write about them dont do the “whole research deal’ on them.
Of course you didn’t see the recant by the US on the al Barakat having terrorist ties in US news.
Everyone knew that ‘some’ Saudis had contacts with the hijackers. And that is all that is known because the 28 pages release is still ‘redacted’ for gawds sake! What a joke.
This whole 28 pages flap is about nothing but opening up Saudi to be sued for 911 by the usual suspects.
Bayoumi and Nasnan were in the US for many years… Basnan raised money for the Bling Shaik and the assassination of Kahane; both worked for the Saudi government and had hundreds of phone calls with al Thumiary , a high consulate official while chaperoning and financing two 9/11 hijackers …(in addition to getting nearly $100K of cash from Bandar’s wife…
They will not confess their guilt but the ties and connections … what exactly do you want as “evidence”?
Hummm..??
How do we know that the hijackers Saudi ‘contacts’ were really Saudis?
http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/13/false-flag/
Mossad Agents Posed as US CIA to recruit terror group for covert war on Iran
“”Buried deep in the archives of America’s intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush’s administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives — what is commonly referred to as a “false flag” operation.
No Arab names on passenger lists http://www.twf.org/News/Y2004/0726-911Report.html
Hey, FBI guys. Here’s a clue for you. Neither Saudi Arabia nor Israel is an American ally.
What evidence is there that these 28 pages bear any relationship to the original ones?
NANO-THERMITE was found by Niels Harrit, Uni of Copenhagen and confirmed by several scientists. OBL didn’t have access to nano-thermite. Or did he ? Pilots For Truth say there were NO PLANES. The nose is made by aluminium. It CAN’T go through a steel building putting the nose out the other side. No wings, nothing fell off at impact. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE. It’s a film trick.
If it happened as they claim, Newton lived in vain, as Dr Harrit stated. NANO-THERMITE WAS FOUND BY SCIENTISTS. And the dancing celebrating 5 Israeli “art students” who filmed the event on a hill outside N.Y. ? Later they said on Israeli TV that they were there to document the event. WHAT ? Then they must have had before knowledge. Nano-thermite from Israel ? At any rate, they gained most.
Saudi Royalty — In bed with our Empire Royalty
History books tell of a time when all of North America was owned by the Kings of England, France and Spain, a time when the height of glory was for the rich nobility to receive land grants. And with such little dictators here, there and everywhere, a system of royalty prevailed to the point that the Indians had to be killed off so that could be achieved full ownership.
So, in 300 years what has changed? Very little actually, for brains like sex appeal pass from father to son, the rich get richer and as a true Revolution has never ended the tyranny and stupidity of this thing called ownership, my slow of thought laboring-class endures the same poverty as when our forefathers built the pyramids of Egypt.
For the Queen of England, does she not own International Paper, the largest registered owner of real estate in all of North America?
For those who insist that steel can’t be softened by heat, they should be forced to hold the end of a steel bar while the other end is heated to yellow hot and becomes as limp as a piece of cooked spaghetti. It’s might be un-American to punish them for their ignorance that way but it would finally send a message into their vacant heads.
Other imaginative punishments could be devised for those who can’t get it straight on building 7 which was destroyed being in close proximity to the main tower.
A good use of this thread would be to think some up!
Good. so when will the NISt going to release the full 10 second simulation run of the WTC tower collapses? And the flight recorders? And the surveillance cams around the Pentagon?
And in other news, the US is at it with their gunnnnnns again. Cops are being killed in Baton Rouge. 3 of them dead at last report but it sounds like it’s going to be more.
The planes were remotely hijacked and flown in an extremely precise manner into two buildings. The third building (bldng 7) housed the command and control center and was demolished after the operation had concluded. The “hijackers” on board the aircraft were only there as a backup. Many prominent structural engineers, architects, demolitions specialists, and scientists all point to the mountains of evidence documenting controlled demolitions in the three towers. For example, the tiny bone fragments of first responders found on the rooftops of nearby buildings such as the Deutsche Bank building.
Forget emotions, the actual nuts and bolts of what happened that day is far beyond the capacity of any 19 people alone, much less people who suffer from language and capability barriers. Lets not fool ourselves, the kind of flying that occurred that day would be extremely difficult (even the best would consider themselves lucky to pull it off) without automation. A person whose never even flown the type of aircraft in question has no chance whatsoever.
Ok, now that is out of the way, where are the pages which document Israel’s pre-knowledge of the event?
The Inquiry also discloses that Basnan and Bayoumi coordinated with an FNI informant (!) Abdussattar Shaikh in housing and supporting two hijackers (Hasmi and al-Mihdhar) … along with al Alawaki ( who was rubbed out by a drone sent by Obama)… Furthermore the Inquiry states that the CIA let Hasmi and al-Mihdha) waltz into the US and roam around freely until 9/11 itself.
Worse yet Basnan and Bayoumi recorded hundreds of phone calls to a high-ranking official at the Saudi Consulate in San Diego..
The dots are all there… people serve hard time for a lot less… it’s all pretty tight… the Saudis are not going to confess their role in pulling off 9/11 with their US counterparts in the FBI- CIA and the military.
Still, the document certainly provides more ammunition for families of 9/11 victims who have sought to sue Saudi Arabia over its involvement in the attack, and despite the White House’s protestations, will only fuel the fire of questions about whether this high-profile American ally actually played a role in the largest attack in history on US soil.
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No…..this will only fuel the fire of questions about whether very very high-profile American’s (…..like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and their PNAC buddies) conspired with certain individuals within the Saudi Royal Family, to play a decisive role in the largest attack in history on US soil.
None of what I see written in all this analysis is even asking the basic question of WHY the Bush administration would cover for Saudi Arabia if the evidence, as it appears to do, points to high level Saudi involvement like Prince Bandar (aka Bandar Bush…which was his nickname because they were so chummy chummy) and why the GWB administration misdirected the “war on terror” to Iraq instead???? Why would they do that, and how is that defensible?
None of what I see being written is asking the basic question of WHY high level Saudi officials (…..like Prince Bandar) would play a role in attacking the country that is Saudi Arabia and the Royal Family’s biggest customer and is committed to propping up, arming and protecting the Saudi Royal family from any potential Arab Spring?
And the question of how two terrorists can get on a plane in Malaysia after attending a terrorist summit that was under surveillance by several intelligence agencies including ours, in January of 2000 and fly to San Diego where they encounter a support network linked to Saudi Arabia and somehow we are being led to believe the entire U.S. intelligence community was somehow oblivious to any of this?
I don’t think so, sorry!
And then there all the many many many examples of FBI investigations that were thwarted and obstructed such as Robert Wrights investigation into PTECH (google it!), the Minneapolis FBI’s investigation of Zakarious Moussaui, John O’Neill, and the Phoenix Memo just to mention a few.
Who was thwarting all these investigations before 9/11 and after 9/11 and why were they thwarting them? ………because clearly the investigations were being thwarted!! There are too many examples for that not to be exactly what was happening.