Over the past 12 years, captives disappeared off the streets of foreign cities have regularly found themselves in CIA “black sites,” held incommunicado for indefinite periods of time for “enhanced interrogation.”
President Obama harshly criticized this policy at one point, but the weekend capture of Abu Anas al-Liby has set up a distinction without a difference, as he is being held in similar circumstances at sea.
Liby’s capture by US ground troops sparked an immediate rebuke from the Libyan government, and the Obama Administration is now holding Liby on the USS San Antonio, an amphibious warship, and arguing that it can more or less keep him there as long as it likes, and since it’s in international water, it’s outside of the US justice system.
Officials say that Liby has not been Mirandized, and is facing open-ended interrogation on the ship without access to a lawyer, with officials saying they intend to bring him up for charges at some unspecified point in the future, at some unknown venue. Until then, if “then” ever comes, he remains in the same legal limbo as many other US detainees, with the ship just the latest excuse to avoid an actual trial.
…soon we'll learn that he whacked the current Pope…and he'd met with Osama just last week.
The CIA and US Navy are already cooperating with Kathryn Bigelow to produce a sequel to the pro-torture film "Zero Dark Thirty": The working title is "The Loveless Boat".
….to star Denzel Washington as the heroic Obama, who personally grabs Al-Liby and initiates the torture sessions in the bowels of the warship.
His been criticizing everything and anything that his predecessor did, but that doesn't mean that he was honest or willing to do something abut the matters. These regimes are mockery by the nature of being a capitalist system, they don't have a single fiber in their body that says "we do care" about anything. International waters, or Guantanamo or unknown prisons in Poland and etc. all of these registered or not prisons were made to have a legal bases for USG continues torture of anyone when and where no attorney can reach or to criticize the act of a militarism regime.
USG is at war since the end of Korean War, USG is at war since Afghanistan war, USG is at war since Iraq war and etc. War is the given reasons for USG and some European to continue with their war on terrorism while they support Saudis and UAE export of their barbarians to Syria and elsewhere.
Outside the US justice system LOL, it's an American ship and American soldiers. Does that mean anything goes in international waters? Is international law not binding anymore? I can't belive how they break laws right in front of the world without anything being done. Americans need to get rid of their Tyranicle government. The hole world hates the American government all of it even Israel hates America (and everyone else unless your Jewish) and when the parisites are done with America it will be a destroyed country.
The Administration's contention that a US Navy ship at sea is outside the US justice system is ridiculous. Every member of the crew is subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which while applying to members of the armed forces, is defined by Congress and subject to review by the Supreme Court. Therefore, the law and the Constitution "follow the flag".
But if the Administarion is right, then throwing the captain overboard would be an action that would not be illegal, as the ship, being at sea, is outside the US justice system.
"the Obama Administration is now holding Liby on the USS Guantanamo Bay".
I'm wondering if there are any legal grounds for forcibly removing the ship's captain from command on the basis of violating his oath of office. If there are, and any of the crew are game, maybe that will send a signal that the rank and file military will not tolerate being a party to the shredding of the Constitution and the American legal system.
I wonder just how long the Empire would last if the troops decided to invoke their right to not follow illegal orders for a change?
How in hell is holding a person as a prisoner on a US Naval Ship make it outside the US Justice system? I was taught in school (fifties) that WHEREVER the US Flag flew, the US Constitution applied.
A Courts Martial is only supposed to be used "When in actual service, during time of war or other public danger. If we would hold to that old document no politician pays anything but lip service to, the US Constitution that the Presidents swears to uphold, unless we were at war, as in a Declared War, which we haven't been in since before I was born (May 1946, the declared WWII having ended in Sept 1945, 48 years ago, military personal SHOULD be always tried in US Courts. Back before Aviation perhaps transporting a sailor from the Indian Ocean might take years, but now its days. This prisoner should be immediately moved to one of our mainland Federal Prisons. What a mockery we make our our constitution. Sailormen need not worry about raping sailorwomen on board ship as, well US law doesn't apply. Does the XO shooting the CO make him the new CO?