Secretary of State John Kerry has joined the chorus of Israeli officials condemning Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan for mentioning the term “Zionism” in passing in a criticism of Islamophobia at a recent UN event, calling the comment “objectionable.”
Kerry’s comments came at a meeting with Erdogan in Ankara, and he claimed to have provided a more thorough rebuke in secret to Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, telling him the comments were a “hostile act.”
Davutoglu reportedly told Kerry that the killings of nine Turkish aid workers by the Israeli military in 2010 was a more hostile act than an offhand comment at a UN meeting. Erdogan, visibly annoyed by Kerry’s comments, replied through an interpreter that if his dressing down of Erdogan was so thorough “there is nothing left for us to talk about.”
The lack of more public specificity from Kerry on the matter leaves huge room for speculation on why he found the comments “objectionable,” and indeed whether Secretary Kerry even understands what Erdogan was referring to in mentioning Zionism.
“Zionism” as a term has a very different usage in Israel and indeed across the Middle East than it does in the United States. Outside of a handful of specialty organizations like the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), the term “Zionist” or “Zionism” is almost always used as a pejorative in the US, normally in the context of conspiratorial beliefs about Jewish influence.
In Israel, and indeed across most of the planet, Zionism is by contrast referring to the specific ethno-religo-centric political philosophy the state of Israel is based upon. Most of Israel’s political parties are explicitly Zionist, while a handful of smaller parties are explicitly anti-Zionist. Since Zionism in this sense includes some very specific discrimination against Israel’s religious minorities, it probably seemed non-controversial for Erdogan to include it in his comments alongside anti-semitism and Islamophobia.
Kerry’s lashing of the comment as a threat to the peace process is also bizarre, since the entire question of a Palestinian state and peaceful coexistence hinges on a serious analysis of Zionism itself. Rather, Kerry’s response suggests he is afraid any foreign official’s comment that is seen as annoying to Israel is a threat.
The depth of Kerry’s understanding of all of this, let alone his beliefs on the matter, are entirely unclear from this comment or his past comments, and he may well have lashed out at the mention of Zionism based on a dubious understanding of its meaning. Conversely, it is also entirely possible Kerry’s “objection” is simply a parroting of Benjamin Netanyahu’s own anger at the comments. As an avowed Zionist himself, Netanyahu’s comments would reflect his desire to see his discriminatory system as uniquely justifiable among such philosophies.
Kerry’s own position vis-a-vis Israel, and indeed vis-a-vis a lot of important issues, is vague at best, and reflects on his long-standing public role as a consummate politician and speech-giver, and not an intellectual heavyweight in the Democratic Party. Though his speech-making prowess makes him ideally non-controversial as a Secretary of State, it leaves his public rebukes entirely up to chance as to whether or not he is reacting properly or even understands what he is reacting to.
And this is the USA's senior "diplomat"?
He's off to a great start if his goal is to be more obnoxious and offensive than his predecessor.
Is that possible?
What a string of israel firsters – condosleaza, hilary and now liver lipped kerry. No end to it.
They all serve at the pleasure of the President. Expecting this to change at the cabinet level without electing a President that would follow a different policy is absurd. And, the candidates that would follow a different policy combine to get about 2%-3% of the vote in the last couple of Presidential elections. As long as the candidates that want an Israel-first policy keep getting 97% of the vote, then don't expect anything different from the SOS.
Well they are Turks,
Don't loose any sleep over it.
JK
Truth is alway hard to swallow.., for John Kerry..,the truth of the matter "zionism" "fascism" "apartheid" "racism" doesn't exist .., is all business to him.
heh. true…
A corporatist to the bitter end, AIPAC lackeys Kerry and Obama are more akin to Italian fascists…Unsurprisingly, when the US and Italy surrounded their oil man, Moaz al-Khatib, it was at Mussolini's old digs…
Erdogan et al,. ottoman wannabes, and their desire for oil and gas harvest, undermined by the Zionist Bibi and Israel reach out into the sea. that's what all this is about. Israel is in Baku too…che?! ayo…ayo.
Leave it to a "bonesman" to carry the torch.
The US politicans want everyone to be like them A""S licking kowtowing to the zionist scared S""tless for their position almost everyone worldwide look at america as a third world country and a spent force.
Who was his predecessor?
Lets start him rating from 10 down to 1 Regarding Zionism and Zionist,around which the whole USG revolves.Congratulations Dr.Kerry you are just reanked up No,9.Keep it up just few more and you will hit the lowest.
But at least he is prettier…
Zionism is racism — things are what they are.
Anyone who thinks that america is their friend will end up as Saddam Hussein and Gadaffi need l say more.
I don't know who I dislike more, Secretary Kerry or Prime Minister Erdogan. Having said that I do not think that the Turks need the author to enlist, to further their neo-Ottoman agenda. They are doing quite well by themselves, thank you very much.
I'm not sure it wasn't done to make Erdogan look tough standing up to us due to his own problems over basing the Syria operation. It seems like a stupid move by Kerry. We already look like Israel's whore to the middle east why not keep your mouth shut.
Look tough? Presidential election is on Turkey's horizon. And Obama-Kerry want Erdogan. Erdogan's currently trying to increase presidential powers -if he can succeed, and if he is elected to president, then game on: ottoman-revival will be official.
But looking tough on Israel is domestic bravado for popular vote. Reality:
Turkish govt was first regional power to recognize Israel There is a long term agreement between Turkey and Israel: 1)Turkey recognizes Israel; 2) Israel blocks vote on Armenian Genocide.
People here are reluctant to criticize the PM Erdogan as aspiring to have ottoman like powers., yet have little problem equating Zionism to fascism? The pro-Turk nationalism in American politics is as grotesque as pro-Israel nationalism, yet one seems more tolerated in antiwar circles? Why?
Turkey would do itself a favor and not vote for Erdogan. Istanbul elite need to come terms with their past to solve their future projection.
It may be too late. But two things are coming 1) 2014, Assad's reelection 2) 2015, 100 year anniversary of Armenian Genocide. What side of history will the Americans and Turks be on? Right now, fascism appears very chic….
Any statement that is not effusive praise of Israel is a hostile act.
Zionism…."Chosenism"… is racism. Al this jewish exceptionalism…how else can you characterize it?
I don't get it. How can our leaders be so stupid? Is the Israeli lobby so important that we have to look like complete morons to the rest of the world? Even if we want to back Israel no matter what doesn't it make sense to just keep your mouth shut and not fan the flames? Erdogan is fine with the criticism because he looks like he is standing up to us. Maybe that is the point? His popularity is waning because he backed the war on Syria? Are we propping him up by publicly scolding him? It seems like it would be in our best interest to say nothing.
When the zionists whip it out the Secretary Of State has to drop to his or her's knees.
Kerry does not represent the the United States people.
To say that Kerry's positions are vague is to understate the matter. The man is so without principles and so willing to change his positions that he's gone from a Winter Warrier coming home from Vietnam to being the official responsible for keeping America constantly at war and fighting off any attempts for peace or to de-escalate and avoid a war with Iran.
It also says a great deal about the content-free nature of an American election that people might look at a former presidential candidate who campaigned for a year and a half and have no idea where might actually stand on important issues.
A cosumate jackass like his war criminal boss four thousand dead from drone murders from the nobel prize war criminal.
Yaa, It's more than enough disgusting how the ????? own our elected politicians…. Sometimes by open donations like the five million dollar Adelson "donation" to that Snake….errr..sorry, that Newt…… But there has to be other more secretive stuff going on for some people to be playing us and America like a piano.. and OUR leaders giving THEIR agenda top billing, not ours…. ??…
Check out Jim Lobel on Hagel's confirmation foodfight…
"Indeed, during his grueling and less-than-impressive eight-hour confirmation hearing, Republicans focused their questioning almost exclusively on his views regarding Israel and Iran.
Indeed, “Israel” was mentioned 179 times (Iran 171) – more often than Iraq (30), Afghanistan (27), Russia (23), Palestine or Palestinian (22), Syria (18), North Korea (11), Pakistan (10), Egypt (9), China (5), NATO (5), Libya (2), Bahrain (2), Somalia (2), Al-Qaeda (2), and Mali, Jordan, Turkey, Japan, and South Korea (once each) combined." [[]] WTF [[]] …… Was the U.S. not even mentioned ONCE??? ………… Lobe continues….
"The questioning was so Israel-centred that the popular satirical weekly television programme, Saturday Night Live, even devoted a skit broadcast over the web depicting Hagel’s Republican inquisitors competing to avow their devotion to the Jewish state"
I suppose we should accept our sold out status and not elect or appoint a Hitter to clean up the rot.
But how much longer are WE Americans expected to support our OWN purchase by the banks, corps and our welfare client foreign states…. Not necessarily in that order…. Even those far, far from the center of the corruption (DC) are beginning to notice and complain.. Perhaps as the debt grows and the BLIGHT zones of post productivity grow……. as more and more Americans are falling behind and DOWN in bankruptcy and foreclosure……… as the gods of war and arms suck us dry… Maybe it's time to ask… ??… Just how much has it cost American taxpayers in dollars, not to mention American lives… for our support of genocidal policy land expropriation and the other offensive facts of life there……
When the zionist military bombed an american warship that killed 37 sailors all LBJ did was moan turn his b…side and said give me more,so do you expect kerry to be sympathetic to the 9 Turks the zionist murdered.Edorgan should keep his distance unless he want to end up like Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein.
How much longer until amarica will not vote for anybody in congress that kisses Iraels ass
How much longer until amarica will not vote for anybody in congress that kisses Iraels ass
Every US State Department head will always be resonsible for invading other nations, complete support for that kitty litter box called israel, assassinating innocent civilians, occupying by force any country who gets in the empires way or destroying them with sanctions or violent coups. That's the American way.
Another Secretary of the Obese Defense, who is a well paid, mouth piece for the Obama administration. Don't expect any critical thinking here. Expect a re-run of the same old movie and of catering to Israel's desires.
Another Secretary of the Obese Defense, who is a well paid, mouth piece for the Obama administration. Don't expect any critical thinking here. Expect a re-run of the same old movie and of catering to Israel's desires.
Another Secretary of the Obese Defense, who is a well paid, mouth piece for the Obama administration. Don't expect any critical thinking here. Expect a re-run of the same old movie and of catering to Israel's desires.
does anyone really expect kerry (small letter intended) to do anything but read from the 3 X 5 card of acceptable ideas since he is a member of the professional political class? after all, he hails from an 'august body' that has more members who consider themselves as israeli senators first, amerikan senators second and act accordingly on a daily basis.
make no mistake: the israeli senators/congressmen will defend israel with every drop of amerikan blood and treasure it takes…not their own, of course.
So does this means that it is also objectionable to attack Nazism?
kerry's(mostly through his wife) wealth is 100-200 million so where do you think his butter is buttered? You can see him as a young activist years ago fighting the Vietnam conflict with passion,heart and logic and now as an old man he's just a complacent,butt-kissing old fool who doesn't have a clue..
F*** off, Lurch. Zionsim is the worst ISM of them all. I trod happily with my filthy boots upon the cursed flags of any nation that say otherwise.
And as for Erdogan, he has to run his mouth to appease the certain masses of Turks who dislike Israel and who support Palestine, and to cover his ass for this idiotic and phony destabilization of Syria on his flank.
Listen, John "Lurch" Kerry: Zionsim is the worst ISM of them all. Even worse than Nazism. I trod happily with my filthy boots upon the cursed flags of any nations that say otherwise. Stop with the shameless ass-kissing to this tiny nation of Nobody. It's very embarrassing.
And as for Erdogan, he has to run his mouth to appease the certain masses of Turks who dislike Israel and support Palestine, and to cover his ass for this idiotic and phony destabilization of Syria on his flank…that Turkish pop. is against.
Poor guy! He is already totally over his head.
How can the US of A be such a servant to Israeli wishes and desires?
Kerry has always been a craven AIPAC "boy". He has done nothing positive for the American people, but this also describes ALL career scheisters like Kerry…worthless, and self serving.