After being briefed by top US military officials, the two top Israeli leaders that have been pushing for war on Iran suggested Obama’s hardline postures and militarism in the Middle East may have eliminated the need for a preemptive Israeli strike on Iran.
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and National Security Advisor Tom Donilon met with both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak to talk about confronting Iran. Following that on Thursday, they both met with Admiral James Winnefeld, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Citing sources “very close” to Netanyahu, Israeli news said there will be no attempt to attack Iran preemptively provided that Obama sets out his “red lines” and comes through on certain other promises he’s made to Israel.
One television news report quoted senior Netanyahu officials saying an Israeli attack on Iran is becoming “less and less likely.”
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak suggested that the Obama administration’s unprecedented concentrations of US forces in the Persian Gulf may eliminate the need for an Israeli strike on Iran.
“Israel retains its right to make sovereign decisions and the United States respects that,” Barak said. “However, one should not ignore the impressive preparations by the Americans to counter Iran on all fronts.”
“As opposed to the Bush administration, the Obama administration is indeed carrying out steps in the gulf, transferring forces and preparing bases,” another top Israeli official said. “There is an unprecedented US deployment opposite Iran.”
Israel has been trying to pressure the US into backing a military strike on Iran, for a military program it doesn’t even have. But in recent days the fever pitch for war has decidedly lessened following two notable events.
The first was statements made by America’s top military official last week, Gen. Martin Dempsey. He reiterated that the US would not be “complicit” in an Israeli strike, which he also explained would be counterproductive.
The other incident occurred early this week when Israeli press reports came out saying the Obama administration sent a surreptitious message to Iran promising not to back an Israeli strike, as long as Tehran refrains from attacking American interests in the Persian Gulf.
The change of tone seems to have come right when Netanyahu’s cabinet finally realized the US definitely would not back their plan for attack. That they are now dialing back the rhetoric about bombing Iran ‘before it’s too late’ only proves how manufactured the threat they so urgently warned about really was.
While the prospect of an imminent Israeli strike may have been averted, problems on the Iran issue persist. A mix of grand strategy implementations and placating trumped up threats from Israel has prompted the Obama administration to beef up US military presence in the Persian Gulf, militarily surrounding Iran in a virtual garrison. A harsh set of economic sanctions is also crippling the Iranian economy and putting tens of thousands of lives at risk. These aggressive, unjustified policies do not portend future peace.
well, fancy that!
I wonder if US military officials have finally been shamed into standing up to Israel? I've noticed a lot more stories about how craven and submissive the US government has been towards Israel and I'm thinking maybe this opened some of the generals and maybe DOD officials eyes a little.
The endless Israeli interference in American politics as well as the attempt to dictate US foreign policy is truly over-the-top and unbelievably arrogant – the tail acts as if it were entitled to wag the dog.
Sooner or later Americans, and even the Admin., will get truly pis*ed off and put Israel back in its place, and perhaps this has already started – let's hope so!
You can thank the christian hitler for that. If they only want to survive why don't leave their neighbors alone?
I see you are using your multiple profiles to go from site to site to thumb me down. Funny my points went up today.
How pathetic
You can't call yourself a christian either. You're evil. What teachings do you follow?
We know you lie, and steal, and don't love your neighbor
Your gawd is one based on injustice, theft, and racism…Israel is a perfect place for you. You are easily duped, and your attempt at a rebuttal magnifies it! Booo!!
"Your gawd is one based on injustice, theft, and racism"
Funny, I was reared in an extremely adherent Catholic family and I don't remember being taught those things. My oldest paternal uncle was a priest and one of my cousins was a nun.
Well, it is your delusion, I guess. Enjoy
You can call yourself a toaster, doesn't make you a toaster.
Exactly, that's why I can say Hitler wasn't a Christian.
His actions spoke much louder than his words, as Bon Hoeffer found to his peril.
Hitler was of Christian Heritage just like you say Obama is of "muslim heritage". So if it doesn't matter that Hitler was of Christian heritage, then it doesn't matter that Obama is of "Muslim heritage".
Of course it does. The two religions are different and that makes a difference.
It doesn't make Obama a muslim and it doesn't make hitler a christian.
But anybody can make a connection to hitler and jesus christ if they wanted to.
Hitler was real and existed. Christ wasn't.
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
-Jesus in Luke 19:27
Anyone not conforming to political desires of Hitler would either get executed or imprisoned.
Ah, you mean the parable of the ten minas? You took a story about being responsible and think it's literal?
Seriously? The bible also told about Judas hanging himself but it wasn't a command for us.
You are so blinded by the hate.
And real Christians like Bon Hoeffer were killed for it.
So you still haven't made any connection between the teachings of Christ and Hitler's actions.
Wee, you're a small little man.
It seems that you pick and choose what to follow.
Seems to me that as a paid commenter here you aren't allowed that choice.
I choose to challenge you and beat you every chance I get!
When you resort to troll talking points like you just did right there.
Probably why his comments are being deleted one by one.
No, that's because you as trista parsi propagandists are reporting them as against TOS even though it's just because you can't win in a face off.
I have won. I win everyday against you. Your trolling and stalking is just getting lame.
How does that comment have anything to do with the story or the issues it brings up?
Looks like an attempted personal attack.
Really?
How much are you paying for that manteca lard by the way. As bad as it is for an iranian muslim to eat pig fat, I hope you're not overcharge on top of that.
I just made one connection and I have made many beofre in the past dealing with you. You are to much of a hate filled bogot to admit it though.
Are you still sitting at your work terminal trying to spread hate and bigotry through smears and propaganda? Oh, dummy me. It's all you have, of course you're sticking to it.
Quoting Jesus in a parable telling what a ruler in a story says isn't exactly what I would a direct teaching calling for violence like mohammmed did.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
-Jesus in Luke 19:27
Anyone not conforming to political desires of Hitler would either get executed or imprisoned.
You are taking a story, a fictional parable and comparing it to direct commands like this?
9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.
For Jesus himself testified , that a prophet hath no honour in his own country.
-John 4:44
And Hitler wrote:
…that is why the prophet seldom has any honor in his own country.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
And how does that command violence or slaughtering 11 million people?
Wee, you're just a bigot that sees things that aren't there. How muslim friendly.
Where does jesus teach that hitler should not murder Jews? Where does he mention it specifically?
Where does mohammed not teach to screw goats, specifically.
How would I know?I know about the bible not so much of the koran, read it only once, the bible many times.
So can you answer the question of just deflect because you are gasping for air again?
You didn't answer my question.
Did Mohammed teach not to screw goats, specifically?
And you don't know about my Bible. You have the muslim approved talking points, but it's not a clear view. It's certainly not an accurate one.
I did answer. The answer was "How would I know?"
I do more about the bible than you.
You seem to come to conclusions completely removed from facts and reality.
I understand you have a muslim friendly agenda. But just because you don't like my answers doesn't mean you have proven them wrong.
And Hitler murdered 11 million due to the evil in his heart, not the teachings of Christ.
Huh? What does that have to do with your comments about having sex with animals and my answer to your question?
You asked an absurd question and I returned the favor.
Only was it absurd? I'm not sure… but in any event Christ taught many things but murder and racism wasn't one of them. He even met with a Samaritan Woman and told a parable which an outcast Samaritan being the good neighbor. He even healed the daughter of a Phoenician woman.
So, don't pretend Hitler followed Christ.
Hitler did follow jesus and I showed that
No, you showed hitler used the church for his own agenda. You have not shown that Hitler valued anything Christ taught.
I have shown that hitler followedthe mindset of antoher religion.
Hitler lived this:
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in ***** nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which ***** hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
And you know those dont' apply tothe teachings ofChristfor Hisfollowers, those aren't even followed by the Jews oftoday.
It was a red herring.
And you showed nothing other than you have no relevantargumenton thisissue.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
-Jesus in Revelation 2:23
Hitler killed the children of other faiths (her children), especially of the Jewish religion during the 20th century holocaust.
And where does that teach that any Christian is supposed to do that? That's God, and not us.
Wee, the hate rules you, so you end up sounding like this…
http://www.zedge.net/ringtone/467902/
You lose again roger. Hitler not only believed he did the Lords work, but he thought of himself as a sort of saviour of Germany, and emulated Jesus of the New Testament. His friend Dietrich Eckart told of overhearing Hitler showing off to a lady by denouncing Berlin in extravagant terms: ". . . the luxury, the perversion, the iniquity, the wanton display and the Jewish materialism disgusted me so thoroughly that I was almost beside myself. I nearly imagined myself to be Jesus Christ when he came to his Father's Temple and found the money changers." Eckart described Hitler as "brandishing his whip and exclaimed that it was his mission to descend upon the capital like a Christ and scourge the corrup
You lose. You haven't shown that Hitler did the Lord's work.
He violated the standards Christ set for His followers, so Hitler was not an example of Christianity, but a warning to those that fail to keep it.
No you lose. You always lose. I just destroyed you and saying anything different does not make it so. You are a loser. Just like in your religion and books you have failed.
You haven't shown anything to back up your position. That's not exactly winning.
And my religion has saved art and science in the dark ages once.
And with militant islam on the march it may have to do that again.
this kind of Christian apologetic argument fails for several reasons which fall into the trap of several fallacies including: appeal to ignorance (failing to understand the history of Christianity in how it did little to inspire science during the Dark Ages); confusing correlation with causation (just because a scientist accepts religion doesn't mean his science derived from religion); and non sequiturs (it doesn't follow that just because a few scientists believed in God that science resulted from it). The myth also spreads through the bandwagon fallacy (appealing to the popular notion that Christianity began modern science), and confirmation bias (list all the Christian scientists, but exclude their rejection of dogmas that conflicted with their science).
Your argument fails for several reasons that don't need such a long tirade to explain.
The history of the church is filled with flaws and abuses, and the reformation rebelled against them and returned the religion to the teachings of Christ.
Bon Hoeffer understood real Christianity, and died for it. To say hitler was a Christian spits in the faces of the many martyrs that died and struggled to serve Christ, the real test for believers.
You ignore that, and show you don't know the Bible. You ignore that and show you don't understand history, or the religion.
I don't need to reply to the other parts of your comment, they're not relevant to this discussion.
Clearly, violence, nor non-violence cannot determine a Christian from a non-Christian. Many freethinkers and atheists, for example, live peacefully, but that does not make them, in any sense, a Christian or even Christian-like.
Moreover, the Christian use of the doctrine of sin prevents any meaningful argument against ousting one's claimed Christianhood, regardless of how atrocious the crime. According to Christian interpretation, ever since Adam's fall, all humans live in a 'state of corruption.' Thus all people, including all Christians commit sin. No one in Christian theology makes the claim that Christians subsist in levels of degrees of Christianity depending on how sinless or sinful one lives. Any person, regardless of how much misery he or she has caused in the world, can achieve Christianhood along with an alleged redemption right up to the last second of his or her death. Belief alone determines one's Christianity, not how one acts. However odd it may seem, any conscious human who has the neurological makeup that maps into a belief in God & Jesus, determines his ownership into this belief system.
I have to disagree with you based on history, doctrine and the holy writings of both religions.
And parking in a garage doesn't make someone a car.
Christians stand for something, Hitler stood for something, something totally opposed to the teachings of that religion.
Hitler was no Christian.
Christianity itself does not create the root problem but rather that the foundations of any faith (reliance on hope and ignorance) creates a defense mechanism that must act to protect itself at all cost, including the slaughter of innocents if necessary. It can come just as well from any belief-set such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, communism, or from any of the Christian denominations. A fanatical believer who gains political control of destructive weapons cannot help but use these instruments to favor his religious and political inclinations. A belief-system that contains violent scripts such as Bibles, Korans or manifestos, can easily create similar intolerances that occurred in Germany in the 1930s. Hitler's faith, his Christian actions, the majority of Christian churches who supported him, his followers who believed in him, and the very Bible with its appeal to superstition, provides important examples of how beliefs can create dangers to society.
Hitler was a chirstian
No, Christianitydoes not. Christ died showing He was not for the things you try to impose articifially on my religion.
It was the foundation for what he did
And that comment is why I don't feed youpearls.
WHathitler did was the oppositeofwhatChristianityteaches.
Bon Hoeffer made a pointofexplaining that, and died for his efforts.
You are chewing on pearls.
You will not reply to this comment monkey.
Hitler was a christian
If my kingdom were from this world, my followers would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jews.
-Jesus in John 18:36 [NRSV]
Of course Hitler lived in this world and, indeed, his followers fought for him against the Jews.
Wee, it just said that His kingdom wasn't of this world.
You do know what those words mean, don't you?
Then you pretend Hitler doing just the opposite was following those words?
You're sounding like this again.
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
-Jesus in Luke 12:51
Hitler not only divided countries on earth, but divided Jewish families, many times setting family members against each other.
But where does that pretend that it teaches Hitler to murder 11 million?
Christian churches do have divisions, but we don't use suicide car bombs on each other.
Not like islamic activists around the world.
Wee, you're just a small little man.
No, you use F-16 and UAV's.
Do I? For what?
To stop this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_…
To kill non believers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarc…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fakhura_school_in…
Using that line of reasoning, then Hitler wasn't following the Bible by violating those teachings, now was he?
You just shot down your own argument.
Hitler was no Christian, and he wasn't following the Bible.
Hitler did follow the bible and my links have nohting to do with hitler.
Hitler didn't follow the teachings of Christ and your links fail to show he did.
Hitler wasn't living a Christian life in word or deed.
What christian life word or deed do you follow.
I know your answer pearls before swine or some bull crap like that.
I defend my best friend, Christ.
I defend what He stands for, what He wants, and when people attack Him I respond.
Your attacks are not attacking what Christ taught for us, you attack the things He rejected, and then blame it on Christianity.
If you want to attack evil, then do so.
Your best friend? Youhave lost touch with reality.
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I'm the most traveled man to the moon and mars, back and forth I have more completed trips than any chinese team combined.
This is why you don't understand Christianity. islam doesn't have this, but Christianity does. It's about relationship. I am not to feed you pearls, but ask Billy Grahamwho his best friend is. Ask Mother Theresawho her best friend is. Ask any successful Christian who they love and it's one person, the same person.
Hitler never had that, and that's the core of why he was not a successful Christian and why saying Christianity is responsible for the evil in Hitler's life is fundamentally wrong.
Hitler's best friend was jesus
Of course not. He is the bestfroend ofMother Theresa.See the difference? OPne acted like iot, and followed Histeachings.
Teachiongs tahtwere inkeeping with true anti-war values.
Are you with krista at tia juana?
Non-sequitir. Christ never existed so he never taught anything.
Of course he didn't. See how easy that is?
Not in my tacos with cheese.
How nice, deep fried in lard?
Maybe now you will believe me when I say I am not a muslim. If I am saying that Christ never existed and muslim say he did, then the rest is pretty self explanatory.
Of course you are, that's why you defend iranian interests and went nutso over realizing you ate lard, pig fat.
It's a non sequitir.
Not really.
Have you tried the mexico city water yet? It doesn't taste like manteca lard, but it will move you.
tia juana ?
Where ever in Mexico known for it's water.
both worship false idols and kill one another
What teachings do you follow?
When you're not a swine then ask for pearls.
And you never attack Christianity.
Why would I? If they follow the teachings of Christ then there is nothing to attack.
Because they have done evil things. Like the crusades, the spanish inquisition, what they did to the natives of south america. Christ never existed. non sequitir.
Christ never existed.
non sequitir.
Saul of Tarsus was the man behind the religion.
Of course he wasn't.
But Saul did meet the real Founder on the road to Damascus.
Saul of tarsus wrote the material.
Not the gospels, not Acts. Not many of the other materials in the Second part of the Bible.
And it still focuses on the story of salvation, of grace for sinners.
What makes one Christian? Isn't it the decison of each individual, not your evaluation? Hitler called himself a Christian, he was steeped in his Catholic childhood when he served as an altar boy, and it is from his Catholic church in Lintz that he took the Nazi cross symbol. It is Vatican that got him going, helping out thousands WWI soldierslike himself from the disintegrated Austro-Hungarian Empire — all devout Catolics. Without Vatican's help, he would have not been able to organize soup kitchens for hungry Germans that suffered one of the most brutal international financial scams of all times. Without the help from Vatican he would have not had the money to organize meetings of Brown Shirts. Remember his motto: if you do not have a shirt on the back, come and get ours. Once he grabbed power due to the feeble German elite that succumbed to the banking speculators — Hitler dialed back his catholic background. He was to become a leader of a country that unlike his native Austria, was mostly protestant. There are many statemenst that he made invoking his personal view of Christian beliefs in support of his policies, including prosecution of Jews.
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And how did he even attempt to follow a single of Christ's teachings? Do you realize that Christian has a very definite meaning. 'One who follows Christ', or 'one who is like Christ'.
Hitler stood for all that opposed real Christianity, even if he used the church of his time for political advantage.
Saul of tarsus is the real man behind the religion.
No Saul of tarsus is credited in bringing the religion to the masses and creating it really.
No, he didn't create it, the Savior did. You could read Paul's writings if they didn't consider it a stoning offense in sharia.
the savior never existed.
Really?
Then you're just going to have to disagree with so much of history and the modern thinking then.
You don't follow christ or are anything like him. So by your own standards you are not christain
Wee, I realize the hate drives you to sound so shrill.
It's not your call who is a Christian. You call yourself an atheist while defending muslim values. But in any event you have this twisted logic that all violence done by Christians violating the teachings of Christ is bad, and then you ignore all violence done to comply with mohammeds.
How does that make any sense?
You end up sounding like Achmed the dead terrorist. http://www.zedge.net/ringtone/467902/
I realize your bigotry blinds you and you have no soul.
I can make that call. You lie, cheat, and steal and call yourself a christian. You are the biggest fraud of all
Really? You say my religion is responsible for the murder of 11 million people under Hitler, even though Hitler wasn't following any of the teachings.
Isn't that the definition of bigotry?
He was following chirstianity. You can't show otherwise I can show he was and do it eveytime we have this conversation. You have lost this argument hundreds of times.
No, he wasn't.
I can show other wise. I have shown otherwise, in fact I've shown koran verses that hitler was following, If you want to look at his life he was more muslim than Christian.
Yes he was.
You can't show otherwise. Not only did Hitler's atrocities remain consistent with God and Jesus' actions in the Bible, but his intransigent attitude parallels many of the fanatical beliefs of Right-wing conservatives of today. Hitler even used his faith in the same way as many mainstream American Christians. It appears clear from the history of Christianity that Hitler brought nothing new to Christianity, albeit he brought its violent nature to new heights.
Like the Biblical God, Hitler created war and destruction.
Similar to the Biblical laws against marrying outside one's group, the Nazi race laws outlawed Jews from marrying Aryan Germans as outlined in Hitler's private notes. Julius Streicher confessed that the race laws got based on Old Testament laws.
Like the Biblical Jesus, Hitler did not live for peace. He created many divisions among the people.
Hitler was no Christian. I have shown and you can't that hitler had any values of beliefs that Christ taught.
And the Biblical Jesus did live for peace. He created the love to reach across the divisions.
Why should you overlook the very things you pretend you hate in islam? Why not just admit to your muslim agenda?
Hitler was a christian. Although many Christians may want to deny it, there simply occurs no way to honestly avoid the destructive actions by Christians throughout the history of Christianity. Not only did many prominent Christians perform or condone atrocities, but the established Christian denominations supported wars, inquisitions, and exterminations of other faiths and even heretical sects of their own religion. Adolph Hitler simply acted as one of many along a long line of Christians who used his beliefs as a foundation for his actions.
Hitler grew up in the anti-Semitic Austrian/German Catholic culture of his time. A priest baptized him. He got educated in a Catholic monastery under the schooling of Padre Bernhard Groner. On the way to the monastery, Hitler had to pass by a stone arch which had a carved monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika (which some speculate gave him the inspiration for the Nazi cross).
Hitler was not a Christian. The only way muslim friendly people can pretend he was is to ignore everything about Christ and what Christ taught, what His followers are to do, and how they struggled against Hitler who rejected them.
Struggled against Hitler? Germany was the most christian nation on teh planet at the time and THEY supported him. Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the potestant and ctholic churches and the German christian populace. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him!
And yet you can't show that the evil was a result of Christ's teachings.
I cam show the evil of sharia is a direct result of the teachings of mohammed.
See the subtle difference?
9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.
Christians of today view the cowards that sat in churches and sang louder as the Jews went by in rail cars as failures, things the Christian history will show as wrong. Bon Hoeffer was the hero, not hitler and Hitler never followed a single of Christ's teachings.
The butcher in Sudan is following the teachings of Mohammed, that's why islam is the bad religion, and not Christ.
I love how you can can only one claim there was one christian in Germany during WWII, when Germany had more chirstians during that time than any other country
Many Christians were persecuted by Hitler. I love how you pretend the only Christian setting the example at that time was Hitler.
And the Christians following the teachings of Christ were not the ones ignoring the evil of Hitler.
There is a difference between a church and the Christians that might be members. Christianity is about the people, not the power struggles in the leadership of humans using it for political purposes.
Islam? It is. And it uses war like tactics, a reason people here at an anti-war site might be concernced about it's use of violence due to it's core teachings.
There is a lot of misunderstaning about this. Nobody under Nazi rule was persecuted simply for being a Christian, and Christians were not persecuted as such by Hitler. However, as stated, the Nazi regime did persecute opponents. It also persecuted the Poles, for example. Now some of these opponents were Christians, and in some cases opposition, for example to the euthanasia programme, arose from Christian principles. The great majority of the Poles were Roman Catholics, but were ill treated because they were Poles, not because they were Roman Catholics. It is very misleading indeed to say that 'the Nazis persecuted Christians'. They certainly persecuted people who happened to be Christian, but that is not the same thing.
There is not a lot of misunderstanding about it. Hitler opposed anyone that defied him, and Christian teachings did that, so he went after all true Christians.
Those who followedChristian teachings and helped the Jews escape for example.
It is exactly the same thing. Anti-war behavior is in keepingwith the teachings of Christ.
He attended the choir. He attended religious services and festivals. An abbot became his idol and he hoped to join the Church as a priest. As a child he used to wear a kitchen apron pretending himself a priest giving sermons. In 1904 Hitler got confirmed at the Linz Cathedral. [Toland] As he grew older, other Christians influenced him, Catholic and Protestant alike. He always paid his church taxes on time. He remained a member in good standing of the Church of Rome until his death. And in 1941 Hitler said:
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
Parking in a garage doesn't mean you're a car.
A person is a Christian after they convert and live a life geared towards and following the teachings of Christ.
Hitler wasn't any of that.
And Hitler would not have been allowed to marry eva in a church, he wasn't a member in good standing. He said many things, but not many of them were true, this is one of those occasions. He used the church for influence when it suited him, nothing more.
The only evidence we have, or could ever have, about people who call themselves Christian comes from the very confession of those making the claim. And since Hitler makes his claim to Christianity abundantly and clearly, we can only rely on his claim, regardless of whether he actually believed in Christ or not. False Christianity has as just much validity as any claim to Christianity, even if you could prove dishonesty.
But regardless of how you view a person's claim to their religion, to say Hitler used Christianity only for political forces has absolutely no historical basis to back it up. To simply rely on belief or opinion says absolutely nothing about historical fact.
No, the only evidence of the conversion to Christianity, the changed heart is the life lived.
Mother Theresa showed that, Hitler didn't.
Hitler was no Christian following the teachings of Christ.
You're simply not understanding what Christianity is. You need to speak to someone that has that relationship, Christianity isn't the church, it's the relationship.
No one has that relationship , it is all a delusion.
Hitler was a christian
Mother Theresa had that relationship. She was a Christian, not Hitler.
No one has that realtionship.
Hitler was a christian
Mothere Theresa did, she's a Christian. Hitler? Nope, and he's not.
You can't just ignore the bible and all it teaches to set up your own standards for who is allowed to be a Christian.
This is a site about anti-war issues, why not discuss the religion using war if you're not for violence in religion?
Again you are denyinh your christian brother Hitler
Again you pretend he was Christian.He never followed the teachings ofChrist.
Like many Christians in the past and today, Hitler aimed to protect the image of the Lord.
Like Christian leaders of the past, Hitler wished to unite the churches. He fought for his beliefs using the Lord as his justification. He created intolerance, divisions, and hatred as have Christians of the past.
Hitler did not protect the image of the Lord by murdering 11 million people.
Don't even pretend it.
And don't blame the things on God that He doesn't deserve. Read Job.
This is one of those times you're not to be fed pearls. You have your muslim friendly agenda, so anything explained to you is wasted effort.
If you want one source for the things hItler stood for and lived for it would be something like this.
9:14 Fight them! ***** will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.
That is how Hitler behaved and lived. And that blanked word isn't from Jesus. And the text is current and used today by one religion. It's not Jews and it's not Christians.
This is why your points are propaganda it side steps the reality in the world as we live in it.
Hitler lived as a confessed Christian. His parents raised him as a Catholic and he spoke and prayed as a Christian. He believed that the Bible represented the history of mankind. Nothing in his rhetoric spoke against Christian faith. Although he did have a few Christian enemies, they posed a political danger, not a religious threat.
Hitler allowed the destruction of Jewish synagogues and Temples. But if for one moment you still harbor the thought that Hitler acted against Christ belief, then ask yourself why he never ordered the destruction of Catholic or Protestant churches? Why did he not prevent his Nazis from worshiping in Christian churches, but instead encouraged it? And why did he spend so much time in trying to strengthen and unite the Christian denominations into one Christian Reich Church?
Even acknowledging Hitler's most atrocious acts as sinful cannot exclude him from Christianity. Tenets of Christian belief allege that all people sin and only redemtion through faith in Jesus Christ can absolve them.
Your muslim test for Hitler's faith means nothing to Christians.
There is a test, and hitler flunked it. Hitler violated everything Christ stood for. Christianity in it's correct form stands against the things you say you reject, so why do you really attack it?
Even acknowledging Hitler's most atrocious acts as sinful cannot exclude him from Christianity. Tenets of Christian belief allege that all people sin and only redemtion through faith in Jesus Christ can absolve them.
A Christian, therefore, can never use sin alone, regardless of how horrible or atrocious, as an argument against Hitler. Clearly, Hitler's own words reveal his Christian faith, and Christians must, by their own tenant and upheld by their Bible, not to judge others.
Under all possible conditions then, Hitler lived and acted as a Christian and anyone who does not think so can only redefine Christianity from their own ignorance and denial.
Deliberate sin shows a lack of conversion. Deliberately murdering 11 million people shows a lack of conversion. And without that heart converstion Hitler was no Christian.
Nothing else matters to God, as Christ teaches my religion.
You simply aren't qualified as a closet muslim to decide what my religion has to accept.
Hitler was evil, this kind of evil if you want to pin any ethical standards on him.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! **** is Forgiving, Merciful.
The word I blanked out, wasn't 'Christ'.
God is evil in the bible.
Hitler was a chirstian and nothing you say or any lies you spew will change that.
Hitler was not Christian.
You can repeat that thousand of times and yet hitler will have been using the church for influence and nothing more.
HItler was a chirstian and no matter what you say it won't change that
No, Mother Theresa was a Christian.
And nothing you can say will change that.
I know she was right along with her christian brother hitler
Nope, hitler was many things, but a Christian brother? Not even. The blood of 11 million victims cry out that you're wrong.
Yet there is a religion that has at it's core warlike teachings.
Why are you here at an anti-war site ignoring that war like teachings of that one religion?
Do you advocate this verse as acceptable?
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Why woudl you deny your christian brother hitler?
NEver mind I know what your answer willbe
Hitler was a christian
Yes, somethingfactual that showsyouareusingtalkingpointsover anythingsesible.
He wasn't my Christian brother. He never followed the teachings ofChrist.
Mother Theresea,she's a one toconsider a Christian.
You don't follow the teachings either so either you are not a christian because hitler did not follow them or you are an unperferct christian like your christian brother hitler
Mother Theresa is my Christian sister, Hitler never followed the theachings ofChrist.
Why are you even here?
Remember saying this?
Roger 166p • 20 minutes ago
People at anti-war are a different crowd, they just … well, they are what they are.
It's curious how little they know. That's a place where propagandists such as yourself are truly dangerous.
Facts are not evil.
sharia is facts full of evil.
Ask the woman stoned for being raped.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7708169.stm
Ask the people who lived in the dark ages.
Yes, they suffered from sharia too, but Spain finally managed to throw them out.
Maybe "sharia" learned it from their half brothers that invented it well before the existance of Islam. After all, both half brothers call a man "Father" that cause he heard voices automatically thought that meant go kill a child, a Jewish custom at the time (that Israel still abides by it seems.) Islam IS NOT the originators of "stoning" folks to death for social crimes. Reread that Old Testament you adhere to and pay attention this time.
Mohammed learned it from an angel in a dark cave as he wrote much of the koran.
Sharia developed after the founding of islam, not from anything prior.
And you haven't shown that stonings are part of Christ's teachings, or followed by Christianity because of instructions from the Bible for the modern church.
I can show you that it's taught for modern islam (wow, that's a misnomer) and that it's brutal and oppressive, not as punishment to protect society as the Jews were instructed to use it.
As did Abraham, and Abraham allegedly lived before Muhammad. And Abraham was from Iraq. Not Palestine.
There is no christ. Saul of tarsus was the man behind the religion.
Because Christ never existed.
Of course He did.
He was more real than mohammed playing that Aisha's dolls.
No, he didn't
Of course He did.
I realize with your muslim loyalty you want to pretend Jesus was just a prophet, but even muslim dogma shows Jesus did exist.
No they suffered from the Christian church.
Yes really. Ask Galileo.
They are the same. You should read the koran.
I have.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
No you haven't.
Is that from the koran?
I'm against judaism but I still read the Old testament and the socino talmud.
And you understand none of it.
It's not about perfect people, it's about a perfect God struggling to reach imperfect people.
And of course how does that fit into your paid comments here?
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I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
Why are you even on this site trolling?
Roger 166p • 20 minutes ago
People at anti-war are a different crowd, they just … well, they are what they are.
It's curious how little they know. That's a place where propagandists such as yourself are truly dangerous.
Wee, why wouldn't I counter your poison and lies?
And when someone doesn't know about the fall of the Byzantine empire and how your buddies the muslims were part of what destroyed it I find it curious.
You mean" you try and counter my facts with your poison and lies.
Fixed it for you. You're a stalking troll. A hte filled bigot and self admitted POS.
Roger 166p • 21 minutes ago
I'm really Mr. Hanky
My, says the failed author and christian.
You don't know the sales of my book and it's not your call to decide if I'm a Christian or not.
For you to pretend you can make that call shows you do have a sense of humor.
But it's just not very funny.
Sales rank: 1,117,738
Not too good.
I did decide
Wee, or should I say "Mr. Edwards", you really aren't part of my sales or plans for the story.
So, you can decide but it means about as much as…. nothing really.
Mr. Edwards will be just fine.
You said I don't know the sales of your book and I showed I did.
Not good at all
You know the placing you showed. Nothing more, and my comment is still accurate.
Placing has to do with sales.
Not looking too good. Of course all one has to do is the read the reviews to find out.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/double-take-roger…
And you still have no part in the tactics or goals, so you haven't a clue.
Of course, why woudl I want faliure to be part of my goals, that's a roger thing.
Hitler was a christian
Hitler was many things,you two probably would have enjoyed visiting.
Buthe was never a true follower ofChrist.
You act more like hitler than me. Youeven worship the same god he worshipped
The bible is about one nations, one tribes quest for domination over the entire planet.
All under the creator with no swords and weapons. The ultimate goal of any anti-war thinker. No war, no violence, and no force.
Like you accuse Obam of having a "muslim heritage", Hitler had a christian heritage.
Yes, but that doesn't mean anything. He rejected all the teachings of Christ. That's the important issue with Christianity.
It's a bit different than the standards islam imposes.
Where is your documented proof that Obama adheres to any of the teachings of the Koran?? Prove that Hitler rejected the teachings of Christianity…Do something other than lie….Thanks!
There is ramadan dinners in the White House. http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/08/administration-…
On Hitler, you realize he murdered over 11 million? That's not what Christ taught.
Do you do anything other than repeat the mantra taught you in a school opposed to traditional values?
He had the same services with jews. Does that make him jewish? Obama has said on record that he is a christian.
Do you do anything other than lie and stubbornly propagate your childish world view no matter how flawed and pretend to be "christ- like"?
Do you have a link, or are you just back to this mr lard breath?
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I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
I can find one in a second.
You really keep track of that lard, I would have thought the smell would take longer to track down, even if you were hungry.
Lard breath.
http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2010/12/white-…
He must be Jewish as well
No, kenyan.
Judaism is a religion, but being Jewish is racial.
I see he can have any other type of religious dinner but if he has on for the religion you hate he is a muslium.
When that religion teaches this? Do you approve of this teaching?
"9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."
No more that what your religion teaches, and just because you say OT laws do not apply, they do because the earth is still here.
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Mr Edwards, with all due respect, the law stands, as written by the finger of God. It's taught in all over in the Bible, and of course Hitler ignored it.
But tactics is not part of the law. Gideon was told to break pitchers and shine torches over the enemy camp, that's nor part of the law since it was a one time set of instructions.
The verses you put out are not even followed by the Jews, you can't show once where Christ taught Christians to follow them.
Why aren't you attacking the war like religion that is causing so much violence today and struggling to set up an empire around the world through force?
Have the heaven and earth passed away?
Nope, and the law of God, the ten Commandments still stand. Murder is wrong, Lying is wrong. And you pretend to be against those things while ignoring the religion that causes war by doing both.
This is an anti-war site, so how do you reconcile that?
So if teh earth has not passed away no letter of the law is to be broken, he did not come to abolish the law of the prophets
Yes, and the law stands, the Ten Commandments written in stone by His very finger still stand.
And the verses you list aren't shown to be for Christians, Christ never taught them like He did the law of God.
The Law of God is anti-war.
Sharia isn't.
So, why do you ignore the core teachings of islam that destroy peace and bring war, like in Darfur?
The OT laws still stand christ says so
No, the Law of God stands, and Christ said so and taught them. The Ten Commandments stand for all eternity, killing and lying and stealing will never be acceptable to God.
So you are telling me the earth has passed away
Why would I? Even then God knows what He wants, and His law would still stand.
Those ten Commandments are commands instead of suggestions for a reason, and those principals fall right into line with the anti-war values of this site.
So has the earth passed away?
Does the values in the Ten Commandments still make sense?
You're repeating yourself, should I report you and try to have you banned?
Nope and the ten commandments stand.
The Anti-war values of not killing are still in force today, and still in keeping with the teachings of Christ.
So do OT laws.
You don't even like this site. It is anti -Israel.
Roger 166p • 20 minutes ago
People at anti-war are a different crowd, they just … well, they are what they are.
It's curious how little they know
And that was for a person not aware of the history of the fall of the Byzantine Empire or Cicero.
It's curious how selective your ability to listen is. You can't notice the violence and war of islam, but sure pay attention to other sensible things. Why is that?
You made that comment to me.
I notice the relgious war we have going on everyday. I just don't side with either since both sides are to blame.
Why Mr. Edwards, we're going to have disagree on that one.
You seem to defend muslim values and I defend the love of life and Christian values.
And I will continue to do so, even if it bothers the Trista Parsi thinking crowd of commenters.
Then it doesn't mean anything if Obama has a "Muslim Heritage".
Yes, because to muslims if you are born to a muslim father then you're considered muslim.
Can't they find better comments for you to post?
No, because to christians, you always have a christian heritage, no matter what. It's been instilled in you at a young age. So hitler is always a christian deep down. He always has the instilled in him.
Even atheists will still have memories instilled in them of their prior religion.
But Christianity is a conversion, not a birthright.
Hitler never made that leap, Christ didn't influence his life.
It's, to use your words, "heritage". Your religion is what you were born into. If you were born into a mormon family, when you are young, the mormon religion is instilled in you. If both of your parents were baptist, then you would be baptist and have a baptist heritage.
Hitler had a christian heritage.
Your islam is showing. Islam is the religion you are born into. Not Christianity, that's an individual choice. Hitler never made that choice.
Hitler was not a Christian because he never pretended to follow the teachings of Christ.
There is a Christian saying, God has no grandchildren in Heaven. (Either you decide for yourself or you're not there.)
Your religion is what you are born into, There is no doubt that if you were born in saudi arabia you would have islam instilled in you at a young age, and even if you became an Atheist in your 30's or 40's, you would still have the memories and experiences of Islam instilled in you.
Just like if you were born into a jewish family, or a baptist family or a seventh day adventist family.
God has many grand children in heaven. He has great great great grand children. We are all children of god so of course god has grandchildren. We are all forgiven for our sins so we all go to heaven.
My point was, before you tried to derail it is that Hitler had a christian upbringing. Nothing can change that because he was rooted in it. You can be the hardest atheist in the world but you cannot take away the memories or the experiences instilled in you when you were younger.
You are not born into Christianity.
You simply don't know what you're talking about. As a muslim hack paid troll it's all you can do to repeat the talking points. But it's wrong all the same.
And Hitler fails every test of a true conversion into Christianity. You see, you have to become converted into Christianity, there isn't any other way.
You are born into a christian heritage. A Baptist background, a seventh day adventist heritage.
If you were born into a catholic family and you were baptized, received communion, confirmation and grow up to be an atheist. The background of the religion you had when you were a little kid is still instilled in you. It is a christian heritage.
Hitler had a Christian heritage. He was brought up in a christian setting. A christian environment.
Stalin was studying to be a priest, he had a christian heritage, a christian background. He was BORN into it. Karl Marx was a jew by birth but he had a lutheran christian background.
It is instilled in people when they are very young.
Your way is not the only way. Your evangelical way is not the only way. You are disrespecting all the catholics and all the baptists and all the seventh day adventists.
Are you baptized? You can't get into heaven if you're not baptized. You have to have communion. Have you had communion?
No, I was born into a family who had converted into Christianity, and when I was old enough to decide for myself I studied and decided I wanted to convert.
You aren' t born into Christianity.
And hitler never accepted the teachings of Christ as an authority in his life. He was no Christian.
No one is born into any religion, it is a product of their environment
You would think so, but that's not what islam teaches, you might want to read about the Christian pastor almost executed because he converted to Christianity after being born into a muslim family and was declared apostate. http://www.inquisitr.com/327317/iranian-pastor-re…
No one is born into any religion, it is a product of their environment. Just like the christians here trying to kill athesist. http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/08/christians-see…
FYI, I could care less if they cross at ground zero, but I feel they should represent all religious denominations that died their as well.
Christ didn't teach violence, you keep talking as if Christianity is one that teaches violence. It doesn't.
Failures resort to violence and are rejected by the mainstream religion and do so against the teachings they espouse. Can you say that for islam?
This is an anti-war site, and yet you ignore the religion that has at it's core teachings for war like behavior, why is that?
That is selective morality
What morals did I select that are wrong?
And this is an anti-war site so why don't your comments here reflect that concern?
Lying, stealing, not loving your neighbor
That was a random comment not connected to the thread. So, since this is an anti-war site why do you ignore the religion with it's basic teachings of 'force and submission' and that is currently using warlike tactics to create a world wide empire (caliphate)?
You asked "What morals did I select that are wrong?" To which I replied "Lying, stealing, not loving your neighbor"
Hitler was a christian
Of course not, he violated all those things.
Hitler was no Mother Theresa, that's what a Christian looks like. The teachings of Christ bring out and restore the good in us. Not the things that would allow us to slaughter 11 million.
You, Hitler, MT, all christians
In the list of Christ's followers, there is nothing to indicate Hitler is part of that. We can agree he wanted the political force of the church as he seized power. But real Christians sufferedwhen they tried to lead him back to what Christ wanted, like Bon Hoeffer.
Exactly, all the teachings of Christ are in keeping with the anti-war values of this site. You oppose the very things Christ opposed.
That's why your attacks only on my religion are curious at best.
Christ never existed.
Of course he did, but you muslims pretend He was just a prophet.
Of course He did. Only you muslims try to pretend Jesus was only a good man and prophet.
You were born into a family that had a christian background. So even if you got older and decided to be an atheist you would still have the christian heritage instilled in you. I was born into a catholic family and baptized and received communion and I will always have those memories and experiences instilled into my brain and my being.
Just like if one was born into a baptist background or a seventh day adventist family. You were born, you were baptized, You were born into the christian faith. You had no choice in the matter.
Now my racial ancestors were probably indians worshipping sun gods until the conquistadors came and forced them to convert.
So, yes, Hitler had a christian heritage but as he got older, he renounced it and became interested in his racial ancestors pagan nordic aryan culture and customs.
If you had been born into a muslim family, you would be praying five times a day.
A Christian heritage doesn't mean you're considered Christian. Much of the post Christian Europe had this and nobody is stoned for being apostate.
I was not born into the Christian faith. I studied, decided then became a Christian. No one can decide but the convert.
And if the conquistadors went to Iran, then it wasn't because of the teachings of Christ, and will have to answer for that at the judgement. You do realize that the Christian faith had a reformation due to abuses? That's why it's not the violent faith it was at the time of the conquistadors.
Can you say that for islam? It seems every time people want to 'submit' better to allah it leans more towards the surah 9 mandates.
I know I do
Ah, how sweet. The two of you pretending you're not working together. Did the handlers want you to try ganging up on me this afternoon?
Wee, did you find more churches to target?
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The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
What teachings do you follow?
I already know you answer, so don't bother……………………….
Never mind you answer to me so you better reply to this comment
I'm not to throw pearls to swine, and you're a pig.
I knew you would say that. You're a POS. You even said so.
Roger 166p • 21 minutes ago
I'm really Mr. Hanky
That shrill scream, it's so achmed.
http://www.zedge.net/ringtone/467902/
Again you have never heard me
Again you are being mocked, that hate drips in every comment.
Where? Not by you not even close Monkey.
I can mock you though.
Look my trained monkey roger will reply
'Breathe, I command it!'
Go ahead, wee. You know you'll bow to my authority and breathe, so just get it over with.
You always have your small little flask to calm your nerves.
Here let me help you since you are lacking any sort of brain power:
http://thumbiology.blogspot.com/2011/03/voluntary…
You are still sounding like this….
Like what?
Well, you certainly don't seem to have a problem with the teachings of a certain religion that advocates warlike behavior. I find that strange for someone that keeps coming to post on an anit-war site.
A site dedicated to anti-imperialism and you don't mention the one religion fighting and killing to set up a world wide caliphate/empire.
Of course I have a problem with what they do. What you fail to understand is I havea problem with all religions
Then why do you only attack the religion founded by a man who died instead of fighting, and ignore the one that fought and made sure others did the dying?
As an anti-war site this ought to be not anti religion, but a place against violence – in today's world you ignore the source of a lot of war like activities.
Because you christians attck islam and enough and a great job of it, but you ignore/ or give lame excuses on what your brothers are doing to this very day and I will not let you.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/return-to-africas-…
Do you have an example, or do you consider self defense an attack? The cops of Egypt for example, suffering from apartheid and treated like dirt, are they no longer allowed to defend themselves?
The teachings of Christ are against the things you oppose, yet you ignore that. The teachings of islam are for the things you oppose, yet you ignore that.
Are you against war like actions or not? This is an anti-war site you know.
Here I will repost the example:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/return-to-africas-…
in case you missed it
Are you saying your christian brothers in Africa are slaughtering babies in self defense?
In case you missed it, they are not following the teachings of Christ. They aren't my Christian brothers.
But why do you ignore the religion that has core teachings causing much worse evils in the world?
If you're here pretending to be anti-war, why not decry the worse things of islam?
Of course they are christians, so they have to be. Or will you admit that not all musliums are bad?
No, they are not 'of course Christians'. They are not following the teachings of Christ.
You keep trying to imply they represent the best and hopes of Christianity, but they don't.
I can show that they would be more at home with the teachings of islam.
And you ignore that religion that has at it's core teachings for war and violence. And you do so here on an anti-war site.
Amazing.
I defend the teachings of Christ. Those links are not to people following those teachings. And islam does have teachings that violate every anti-war value of this site. Yet you don't even notice that.
Are you anti-war or not?
Yes, I am against the christian vs. islam war both sides are to blame
Both sides? Christians for defending themselves as muslims slaughter them? How does that imply both sides being guilty?
I'm anti war, so I'm going to suggest that if Christians lay down their arms and quit resisting they will be oppressed just as the Coptic Egyptians are. If the muslims laid down their arms and aggression there would be peace in the world.
Yeah blmae it all on the the muliums you giys have done no wrong. It is that kind of arrogance why you morons have been fighting for thousands of years. How about we get rid of religion all together. As long as we have people believing in different false idols we will have war.
Why are you being so nice tro me on here and being a hate filled bigot to me on frontpage?
Why Mr. Edwards, with all due respect… islam has teachings, teachings I cannot agree with and feel should not be ignored. Not when muslim activists prove they actually follow those teachings.
The surah 9 mandates.
Hitler the true christian
Nope, not any more than parking in a garage makes you a car.
Yep, he sure was
And then you wont' have a problem showing what teachings of Christ did in his life, and how he followed a singe one.
I'm waiting Achmed.
"Silence I kill you…. " Achmed the dead terrorist.
Christ never existed so he taught nobody.
Then you can't say Hitler followed him and was a Christian, see how you muslims always end up running into a wall you put up yourself?
I said hitler had a christian heritage. I never mentioned jesus. The KKK has a christian heritage. Saul of tarsus invented christianity.
See, you make up all sorts of things.
Or you repeat what you're told. That's a hack thing.
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I'm like jesus, I'm gonna chase you money changers out of the temple and out of town and of course out of this forum. Me and ohsoquiet and a few other REAL AMERICANS who are being PAID to be here like you Israeli PR men. I'm here to chase you filth out.
You don't think the KKK has a christian heritage?
http://www.kkk.com/
Christ never existed. Non sequitir.
Of course He did.
Even if you iranian muslim activists don't like it.
You have no proof he did
Yes, and I've given hundreds of times.
Pontius Pilate went on to be Governor of Egypt and helped found the Copt Church based on his meeting with Jesus.
He's a patron saint of that church. You just ignore anything that doesn't agree with the propaganda you're trying to spread.
That's why you sound like this….
http://www.zedge.net/ringtone/467902/
So where is the Roman records of Pontius Pilate even meeting a man named jesus?
Wee, you small little man you.
You know history. Jews that hated Romans took over Jerusalem and the city was completely destroyed. Now, what roman records exist of anything before the revolt?
And Pilot was very clear in Egypt about his experience with Jesus.
You just can't get past the hate.
This man is clear on what he saw.
http://www.berniesbronze.com/content/man-sees-elv…
So. You're not making any point other than you ridicule every religion other than islam.
The point I am making is just because someone claims they see a ghost or jesus does not make it true
And the point I can make is that if someone claims to see Jesus, you can't show it wasn't real.
Lives are changed.
http://www.freecdtracts.com/testimony/khalil.htm
If you don't want to believe, that's your choice. But for you to attack those that do, that's bigotry.
You can't show it is.
Lives are changed: http://www.twelvetribes-ex.com/?page_id=1589
I knwo I don't have to believe. But for you to attack other religions that believe different than you do, that's bigotry
I attack the teachings that lead to violence, that's not bigotry. Thats' common sense and decency.
And you can't show spiritual events leading to changed lives isn't real. You can't. So, you change the language, even if it can't be scientifically proven the life changed in my link was real, and you can't deny it.
for you to attack other religions that believe different than you do, that's bigotry
I attack the violence of islam as mandated in surah 9. THat's not bigorry, it's common sense and decency.
You ignore it, why is that?
You shove it in my face everyday how can I ignore it. I just shove christian violence in your face
But Christ didn'tteachviolent,andI shovethat inyour face. Nicelywithallduerespect of course.
The onus is on you to prove it.
And I have.
Do you love an onus deep fried in manteca lard?
evil towards the romans? Yes.
Yes them. I would say bringing down the entire roman empire is evil. The christians did in fact bring down the Roman Empire. Read Toynbees book.
No, that was the vandals and visigoths.
You really need to update your iranian textbooks.
The early organization of Rome was a traditional monarchy but the last king of Rome, Tarquinius Superbus, was overthrown and a republic established, in 509 BCE.
It was under the period of the republic that Rome grew to be a mighty civilization. The keys to that growth of civilization include the institutions of law. Secular law. Romans did not make any attempt to infer that their laws were ordained by their gods, or even that their gods cared unduly what the people did. Laws were instituted for the good of the people. The laws came from the senate and people of Rome, and it was the people and their government which applied that law. Government under law, government of the people by the people, for the people. It is a formula that rarely fails to deliver progress.
And once again you seemed to have found an iranian friendly source that is totally removed from reality and history.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/fallofrome/a/E…
Read Toynbee.
Read accepted and established authors, instead of iranian friendly ones.
What a troll thing to say.
Only if you're loyal to iranian centric interests instead of a wider accepted reality.
Troll comments like that don't even deserve to be recognized.
Yet I answer them anyhow.
What kind of lard did they use in your food tonight?
You can't answer a comment.
Really?
Did you read that in the bucket of lard you were heating up to eat?
Why? He mentioned he loved mexican food, and manteca lard is an important ingredient in many recipes.
No it was the Christians. Read Toynbees book. The vandals were too small to be credited with bringing down the entire roman empire.
Yes, it was.
If it had been true, that might have made it better.
It was true.
True that you ask Trista for sources?
No shocker there….
Who? Tia Juana?
She's getting you a glass of her water.
tia juana?
Is she getting you a large glass of water?
Hitler was not Christian he dependent on sooth Sayers to tell him the future as well as other satanic practices; similar to what you more than likely practice.
The actual facts are so inconvenient for this agenda.
And his mistress? I don't think Christ would have approved of that either.
Of course he was and what did can compared to the bible.
But not to the teachings of Christ or instructions to the modern church.
So, Hitler was not any sort of Christian. You just can't make any connection from HItler to what Christ taught. But the hate and bigotry drives you.
Poor little 'wee' guy.
Yes he was a christain. He is even you favorite christian
No, he wasn't. And your lying about it doesn't change that.
Thats' why you end up sounding like this.
http://www.zedge.net/ringtone/467902/
It's the truth, you are the one lying
Because you say so? Can you show a single teaching of Christ that Hitler even attempted to follow?
Nope.
So, we know who's lying.
I did in this very thread. You just ignore it with lame excuses
No, you took a parable and took a quote from a king in that parable and pretended it was a command, it wasn't.
I don't ignore anything, that's why I'm here explaining why you're wrong. You are entitled to have muslim friendly values and religious standards. But if you attack my religion I will defend it.
That's the whole principal of debate, it's two sided, not one just spewing propaganda.
So quit spewing propganda then and except the facts I presented as the truth
But you don't present facts. I explain why they aren't fact every time. You can present them as blue dinosaur eggs, but it won't necessarily be true.
Debate, it's about other people pointing out weaknesses in your comments.
Of course I do. Just because you attack them with your opinion does nto mean you're right
The fact that hitler was Christian?
That's propaganda not supported by the texts you used.
It's not backed by the teachings of Christ or the scriptures for the modern church.
Why you consider it a fact is curious at best. Hitlers actions can also lead one to the opinion that Hitler admired islam and followed the actions approved of mohammed, even if he kept it quiet. He was none to use spiritualists, a teaching clearly never taught in the Bible.
So, just your pretending it was a fact clearly may be denied by thinking people.
So only christians are thinking people?
Because ONLY christians deny hitler christianity
I didn't say that.
I did say that you seem to pretend things are facts when clearly they aren't.
Why do you want to put words in my mouth and pretend you can set my positions?
But they are facts and you can't show otherwise
I can and have.
<< Matthew 11:28 >>
New International Version (©1984)
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."
This is the crux of Christ's teachings. And Hitler was not even close.
hitler did that when he knew he was defeated
Nope, he was so burdened he blew his brains out.
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest"
Hitler was allof those and he left to find jesus
No, hitler was the opposite of those things, ask the 11 million he slaughtered.
HE slaughtered them for jesus
No, he slaughtered them for his own goals, in spite of Jesus.
Real Christians like Bon Hoeffer were slaughtered too.
And you still ignore the one religion that has at it's core war like teachings. This is an antiwar site, so do you oppose war like actions or not?
NO he slaughtered Jews because he blamed them for killing jesus
No He slaughtered them because he didn't care about the law of God, he didn't care about following Christ's teachings and it was politically convenient to find a scape goat like he did with the Gypsies and other societal outcasts.
Hitler was many things, but a converted Christian following the teachings of Christ he wasn't. He would have been mroe at home with the religion that teaches this.
9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
No, I'm pretty sure they want WW3. The tomatoes seem to care for its cheese on my taco.
Tacos don't have lard. Tacos are friend in vegetable oil.
My tortillas are fried in vegetable oil.
Vegetable oil. Ask your ugly mom.
Manteca is manteca and tacos are tacos. baboso.
Tortillas will always be tortillas.
And manteca lard is always a flavorful addition to any mexican recipe.
Notice his change in tone sine he started getting watched by the admin? We call that being a phony
And to think just yesterday on another site you were not happy with censorship.
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"I am a firm believer in Freedom of Speach. I realize frontpage is owned and they can delete as they want. While the comment you reported is worthless I will defend his righ to say it even if I disagree with it (which I do disagree with it) but censorship is not the answer IMO"
When you attack Christianity founded on peace and you ignore the war like teachings of another religion I have to wonder what your agenda is, and how ignoring violence fits in with the purpose of this site.
I am not happy with it. Of course I am also not reporting you and will even defennd your right to spew your hate speechs. However as on frontoage, anti-war owns this site and can delete what it wants. What I find funny is when you r are noticed by the admin you tone changes. You're a phony
Boy, that's a change.
And I'm so glad you're against all religion, does that mean I can count on your scrutiny to be just as harsh against islam as it is against the religion of peace?
I just think it's horrible that one religion teaches war like tactics as it's core teachings and to see that played out daily – yet avoid your notice.
RELIGION OF PEACE
Ha. Was Jesus and the fig tree a lesson in peace, no it was a lesson in obedience. Was throwing the business men out of the courtyard a lesson in peace, no it was a lesson in socialism and how to use violence in class warfare. And that is just two examples of Jesus's version of "peace", his followers did worse. And those that have followed since have gotten MUCH worse. The only peace that can be found in that religion is the peace that comes from obedience, just like Islam.
fig tree was a lesson on bring forth fruit…no fruit then cut down.
The money changers had no place in the temple. House of worship, not house of commerce.
your bias shows thru in your comments, you just don't like the belief system so you find fault. Both these two arguments are "straw man" ones. If you studied the verse surrounding these two events honestly, you would not use them like this.
And your bias shows as you try in vain to make excuses for his actions. Take the fig tree example, he knew figs weren't in season, he knew there was none on the tree, but he hungered, so he commanded the tree to bare fruit, and when it didn't go against nature he destroyed it in anger. Maybe you should read a little closer and with a more open mind.
And "money changers" are the name they gave to merchants, which were not restricted from being in the temple. They were providing an important service to the pilgrim, as your god demanded offerings and it would be very hard to journey a pilgrimage and still keep the live offerings in good enough shape to use as an offering. Besides all the extra food and water that would have to be carried, and these were poor people. The sensible thing to do would be to bring gold and purchase the offerings in the temple, which is what they were doing. But apparently this wasn't enough hardship to place on the faithful pilgrims to show their obedience. They would have to drag their stock with them.
You should reread Matthew, Jesus had quite a few bad days in his telling.
If Jesus commanded you to bring forth fish from the lake, but no fish were biting, would you be ok with being cursed by him for your failed efforts? If you ran a car wash next to a church, and he threw you out and brought your structure down around you for washing cars of the church goers so they didn't have to do it for themselves on Sunday morning, would you feel it was right to have you business destroyed? When you were just trying to help.
All just your opinion on the events. Jesus, who is Lord of Lords and King of Kings, can do as he pleases without your consent or permission. If he is in fact, who he and I claim him to be, then by that in itself is justication for his actions.
If he is not who he claims to be, then and only then would you have a good argument. From my POV, he can do as he pleases and its just too bad for those who do not like it.
So your blind faith would have you follow him regardless of who he kills, how many he kills, or for what reason. You have told me that you are a scholarly man, that is an acceptance of ignorance to justify any action, not what a scholarly man would accept.
And these aren't my opinions, they are the "facts" written down supposedly by his direct followers.
Your blind faith in paganism shows an acceptance of the warlike actions and violence of previous pagan cultures, like the human sacrifices of the aztecs.
And no person was harmed with that run in with the fig tree.
You harmed more wheat by eating bread.
Anti-war teachings may not make sense, but Christ never advocated violence. You said something about islam and it's peace. I'm wondering just where islam has forced peace? In Darfur? On the Copts in Egypt? On the Christians in Nigeria?
I do not have blind faith, so you are wrong in every everything you presuppose. And even if I did, it wouldn't be the one pagan religion you seem to be so enamored with. I guess you like the Aztecs because they remind you of the "good old days" when Christianity could get away with killing people of different faiths.
You keep saying that the fig tree is a parable, as such it is being used to illiterate that if you don't do what Jesus says, regardless of true nature, he will kill you.
I said nothing about Islam and it's peace, you are trying to make things up again just because you have no leg to stand on.
Do you want me to believe after all you have said defending pagan religions such as your wicca beliefs that it's not blind faith?
Unlike yours, no it is not blind faith.
I will gladly agree that I feel my God has my complete trust.
The one who could create the intelligent design around us is not something I'm afraid of.
So your not a god fearing Christian after all…
Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
And what word was translaated into fear?With all due respect mr wicca who defends islam, fear means a very strong respect with reverence.
Any otherthings you wantto twist and try to misrepresent?
That is a direct quote from your holy scriptures, so I assume you mean to say that your scriptures are mistranslations. But yet you believe in them knowing that they are mistranslated? I guess that makes it easier to twist them to anything YOU like.
You are so very smart yet you fail to see the truth.
For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
1 Corinthians 1:18-20
I could easily say the same of you. For what you call the truth is just myth that you choose to believe because you have been told to by so many others that you aren't able to see anything else. I came to the truth before my grandmother ever mentioned the old ways to me, as is the custom with those in my tradition. Can you HONESTLY say that you would have the exact same beliefs if someone hadn't fed them to you at some point in your life?
That is not really teaching love then is it?
It isn't teaching hate like surah 9 does.
There, now since you have a new target that goes against anti-war values I'm sure we can count on your to start attacking that next, right?
"love" is required from his followers.
He is who is, and will assert his authority as he pleases.
Un-wavering faith (blind) if you want to call it that IS required of me. Respectfully, it doesn't matter whether you or Mr. Eyes likes me following that or not.
So he requires you to love him but he can hate others, guess that throws lead by example out
Love yes, stupidity no.
And if I gave you pearls it would be against the Biblical teachings.
Your opinion of him doesn't jive with the way he really was. If he had been like you say, then he would have destroyed the village in this passage.
54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”[e]
55 But He turned and rebuked them,[f] and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”
Luke 9
Have you noticed that in many cases Jesus is childish and emotional, rather than thoughtful? People who act like this are jerks. Here's an example from Matthew 18:7-9:
"Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
This statement is totally ridiculous on several different levels. First, something like a hand cannot "cause you to sin" — your brain causes "sin." Every intelligent person knows that. Therefore, gouging your eye out or cutting your hand off is useless. If you have a problem with "sin" and you are going to amputate something to solve it, you would need to amputate your brain, since that is where all "sin" originates.
I notice that you chew up a lot of pearls.
Jesus was not childish, you simply can't rise to the challenge in understanding His teachings.
Such a change in your tone phony.
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Seems to me you're a hate filled bigot that's really and truly a 'wee' little man.
Thats good you will be forced to be nice and polite to me no matter what I say on here. Thats great news for me.
Why Mr. Edwards, with all due respect, using different approaches to different situations is an indicator of intelligence.
And you are still chewing on pearls.
Jesus offers us restoration to a connection with God. You dont' realize how valuable that is.
I find it curious. On an anti-war site you defend islam. Can you show a single country controlled by sharia truly at peace?
Without the apartheid, the barbarism, the violence that a site like this would oppose?
Why are you even here?
Roger 166p • 20 minutes ago
People at anti-war are a different crowd, they just … well, they are what they are.
It's curious how little they know.
Where does he say ONE thing about islam?
I'm here to defend my values and explain them.
Why are you here? You're not going to violate the anti-war values here and declare jihad again are you?
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The whole town needs locked in the church and the church set on fire. IMO
So now your back to defending Christians right to kill and maim "non-believers".
Where did I defend violence outside of self defense?
This is an anti-war site, and I find it curious that I have comments pulled and here you are discussing violence as if it's not a bad thing.
Mr. Edwards called for violence, a painful and slow death for an entire town of Christians, not I.
You had comments pulled because they were lame insults
Perhaps, and perhaps because the moderator was harranged into it. There are lame insults tossed at me, and yet those were left up.
Why? Perhaps I don't have the trista parsi brigade screaming on my behalf.
And I have a lot of great comments here that stood on their merits and you couldn't get them pulled.
And you have defended that towns right to be violent to people outside you religion and to avoid punishment.
Who is defending Islam, I was condemning it along with Christianity.
You said this.
"… The only peace that can be found in that religion is the peace that comes from obedience, just like Islam."
That's defending islam.
And the surah 9 mandates preclude any peace outside islam, that's founding a religious empire – not a value that this anti-war site espouses.
That was not defending Islam, that was showing the violence of Christianity.
Not even, but then we'll have to disagree on that one.
In all due respect of course, saying islam imposes peace is defending it in my book.
And historically it's not true either.
Slavery is not peace, and that is what both religions require of their followers.
No, it's what islam demands. Our lives do become God's when a person gives their heart to Christ, but instead of demanding death He sets us free from eternal death. He doesn't demand we do the suicide dance thing.
You notice only one of these religions is using suicide bombers?
Oh, yes, and only suicide bombings are evil, all the other murders, by gun or remote bombs, done by Christian extremist are signs that Christianity is a much better religion. or just more cowardly.
No wonder your books fail then.
And how many books have you written? You haven't sold a single book, have you?
That might make me more successful than you have been.
But of course you're just resorting to personal insults here.
Why not come to this site to discuss the evils of war and imperialism?
That is not defending islam.
WOW
It's not?
Saying this is not defending and putting it in a good light by advocating it as a solution?
Really?
1 hour ago @ News From Antiwar.com – Israeli Leaders Dial B… · The only peace that can be found in that religion is the peace that comes from obedience, just like Islam.
And in neither case was a single person forced into anything, and not a single innocent bystander harmed.
Paganism is laced with that situation, like the human sacrifices of the Aztecs. You didn't show a single instance where Christ's teachings would have violated a single 'anti-war' position.
He "threw" the merchants out, do you think he checked first to make sure there was pillows for them to land on?
At least a soft padding of some sort
Better than declaring jihad, and better than you when you advocate for vigilante justice for people not even having a trial yet.
I have a different view of justice, or morals. I have an anti-war sentiment where people behave with dignity and allow those around them tolerance to do the same, even if they're Christian.
Unless of course you are dropping napalm on them with morning cup of coffee.
Roger 166p • 12 minutes ago
I love the smell of fresh napalm in the morning….
Why I don't believe that dropping napalm is covered in the teachings of Christ.
I do believe that burning churches full of believers is covered in islam.
So you admit you do not follow the teachings of chirs, and are not a christian
Quote me.
That didn't sound very anti-war.
Are you just here to distract from the very important issues this site is set up to address?
Vigilante justice, for a cowardly mob that burns down homes of women and children? I guess you think that was just fine, because they weren't Christians after all.
Neither of you showed that the crowd did do that, only that the woman claimed it. And under our system of justice they are innocent until proven guilty.
The religion of the victim had nothing to do with it. Vigilante justice is always wrong, sharia courts with no proof required is something I will never approve of either.
And for you to pretend burning a group alive in a slow and painful manner due to their religion is fair is not true justice.
It's just muslim friendly barbarity.
So can show what this woman was guilty of to deserve the punishment she got from the town?
I don't know what happened, if anything.
You haven't shown anything.
That's the point. Anti-war is anti-violence in many respects and vigilante justice flies in the face of that value.
Yes, and he could have healed them had any been injured, but there isn't any indication someone was hurt.
But in pagan religions that you are part of, that's not the case.
I'm glad and stand with the peaceful teachings of Christ that are non violent and against war.
There is no indication that they weren't hurt, he just chose not to help his "enemies".
And the religion that I am a part of has no history of violent incursions or violence against other religions.But you wouldn't know that as you have no idea what religion I an a part of.
And there is no indication that they were hurt either, so you're imposing your own bias on the situation. And I can show had someoen been harmed Christ would have healed them.
Luke 22:47-54 Christ did just that in an even worse situation.
"so you're imposing your own bias on the situation." As are you!
Jesus didn't heal anyone that HE hurt, only myths about healing people that were hurt by others. When he hurt someone or something it was meant to stay hurt, just like the fig tree.
You didn't real Luke 22:47-54. It was written by a Greek physcian after investigating the events of Christ's life.
And it was mentioned in writings of those present also, but I used that one due to the investigation by an education man to weed out the myths from facts.
Why are being so nice to me on here but you just spewed hatred on me on frontpage?
Roger replied to your comment on White Genocide in South Africa / Frontpage Magazine :
See what I mean? An angry rant full of hatred and bigotry.
It's all you have. Such a 'wee' little man.
Why Mr. Edwards, I'm shocked, just shocked that you can't understand someone being as nice as the situation allows.
Christ taught us to meet people where they are.
You know what moron said? This is how out of touch he is.
Roger 166p • 18 minutes ago
I'm the most traveled man to the moon and mars, back and forth I have more completed trips than any chinese team combined.
And if you actually quoted me the next line explains it.
Why don't you ever quote what I do say?
You're so achmed.
http://www.zedge.net/ringtone/467902/
Maybe you need to go back to mars???
When Travis lies decently then we'll see then.
My family isn't like yours.
I know. Your family is worse.
Yes, if being part of the great satan with freedoms and a strong military to back them up is bad!
Your not associated with my family that's for sure.
Nope.
you're not worthy.
I wouldn't want to intrude on your family dynamics.
With all due respect of course.
I'm going to respond to your last comment here so I can read it, getting too skinny down below.
Perhaps if you would be honest in accessing the way the Bible is written, with all types of literary technique, you would finally "get it." Jesus, in the Bible in some cases uses Hyperbole to make a point. When you refuse to accept the way the literature is written, you make yourself look foolish making statements that you just made. I understand what you are doing, just disagreeing with me because you will never, ever, admit that the Bible or Jesus has anything worth while to say.
You wonder what deal with the devil type was made to get the dogs called off?
I really hope America stops letting the Zionist warmongers in Israel from getting America into illegal wars.This does not mean America and others expecially Israel are not doing many things that break every Law in the American constitution and international and genva laws.People are sick of seeing people on both sides die in unessasary and illegal wars for prifit,along with all the suicides from young men that are tramatized by the things the've seen and done in what they no were not just wars.One step is good,but we need to see much more like no more drones in countrys murdering people instead of giving them fair trials even Americans.To make all things fair for all people America and the world have far to go,but America stopping an Illegal military attack on Iran is a good start,let's just hope it's not talk and a lie before an attack that will start WW3.
Does not anyone get it. Israel knows that Obama fears an Israeli attack before the elections. Now what do you think Israel will get from Obama for Not ATTACKING IRAN BEFORE THE ELECTIONS?
How much money, weapons and vetos have been promised. This was no American victory, this was just Israel's way to extort more form the US, and we took the bait. As Mitt said, "It must be cultural"
Israel will take the booty, and after the elections still attack Iran and involve the US anyway.
Consider: What did Obama promise for a two month freeze on settlements? THE F35S FREE, and that was just for a two months freeze befor mid term elections. Boys, this is going to be expensive!!
Roger is quite the man about hasbara…but not an inkling of truth to be found regarding Obama, Iran, or history for that matter…if one is a supporter of state sponsered terrorism they need to look no further than to sheeple who blindly support the terrorist state of Israel, and the myopic minions who defend it. Israel will either implode, or will be stopped with overwhelming force by the world community, because it knows that Israel's government is both unstable, and suicidal.
Neil….well said. And to speak "Muslim" of Obama who claims "The Greater Chicago Jewish community" as his "adopted parents"………… You would think they would obtain a higher intellect for their "Hasbara" program. Roger's extreme hatred belies his claims of Christianity…….and his so-called adherence to the teachings of Jesus. Israel will eventually cease to exist as Jewish through simple demographics. More Jews leave Israel than immigrate there. At current rate, the Arab/Palestinian citizenry will simply displace Jewish Israelis as the voting majority. Maybe then American taxpayers can finally cease supporting a nation of reigious extremists bent on distruction of their half brothers family………at America's expense.