There is of course never really any discussion of whether or not an Israeli attack on Iran is justified on the basis of Iran’s legal civilian nuclear program. Rather, the questions center around just how bad the inevitable retaliation would be, and how much damage Israel could theoretically do to the program.
The second of these questions appears to be coming to a head, as Israeli officials are warning that by summer so much of Iran’s nuclear program will have been relocated underground (a consequence of decades of Israeli threats) that such an attack will be entirely impossible to carry out.
Tel Aviv University’s Yiftah Shapir argues that the attack would require “a series of massive assaults for two to three weeks, a month, something like that” to destroy Iran’s existing enrichment facilities. Others argue that the facilities are so durable (again designed in an era when threats of attack are a form of punctuation in the West) even this might not work, and would only do superficial damage. The general agreement among them however is that if the attack doesn’t come by summer it won’t happen at all.
If such an attack does happen, it of course starts a massive regional war, one that is almost certain to suck the United States in. Retaliation against Israel would be significant, given that Iran has been stocking up on conventional missiles as a hedge against this threat since the Reagan Administration.
And of course, Iran’s nuclear program is entirely civilian in nature. This may not matter rhetorically, but even the speculation about Iran having a weapons program alleges it is entirely separate from the IAEA-supervised civilian program, so attacking the known sites is of no real strategic value.
It is possible, then, that Israel’s far-right government is using these constant threats to attack Iran to press the international community into imposing more and more sanctions against their key regional rival. Unfortunately, reasonableness has not been a key virtue of many of the top Israeli officials, and starting a war just for its own sake would not be unprecedented in the nation’s history.
Israel clamors for an attack on Iran. Blah blah blah. God, this gets tiresome. Israel needs to STFU, find common ground with the Palestinians, settle their issues, and not worry about Iran. Iran is in compliance with the NPT. Signed sealed and done is done. Israel isn't signatory to the NPT. Golly, nobody ever talks about that. Well, hardly ever. Binyamin Netanyahu and his government are stark raving insane. Israel wants, Israel whines way too much, Israel is about insignificant but, Israel sure has an unprecedented stranglehold on US government. Why is that?
Israel sure has an unprecedented stranglehold on US government. Why is that?
thier supporters rrrr
control of the fed…control of msm..control of the debate…..
control of around 50% of the wealth in the US
The US and Israel are not going to attack Iran. What is going to happen is that these sanctions against irans central along with the oil sanctions against Iran are going to cause oil go through the roof but it is going to hurt irans revenue. War with Iran is coming, but Iran will attack first. Probably close the strait of hormuz, attack American troops in Iraq or afghanistan hit a few navy carriers etc. Which was the neocon plan all along.
You may be right. Just like Japan attacked America 'first'. After a decade of 'in your face' provocations from America.
If the Israelis would understand that Iran is in compliance with all and every legal international channel then Israel don't need to be worry about Iran at all. The question is if Israel is willing to accept this fact that Iran is in compliance. So why Israel wants to start a war with Iran.., Look as long as US and EU governments paying off Israel with all kind of free things, like billions here and billions there they will ask for more and will continue with their demand, that is as long as US and EU doing the war and solders from US or EU get killed they are happy.., as longs as AIPAC has a senate seat, few here and few there and Sarkozi or Rainfeld of Sweden or Cameron of England, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Finstein, Kerry, Pelosi, Rockefeller and Barak Hussein Obama are in the government then Israel will ask for more of the “lost" US billions in Iraq and from Libya.., and if not paid accordingly they will kill few thousand Palestinians this year, demolish few thousands of their home and Etc. or wanting to start another war in Middle East this time with upcoming Sunnies or other Islamic religions governments because they might, just might be siding with Iranians or Turkey.
This sounds like the same old tired record that's caught in an endless scratchy loop. They purposely whine and harp like this so as to drive us nuts. Like some nagging old Yiddish grannie who kvetches endlessly about her aches and pains so much that you just want to shout, "Alright already. Happy now?!", just to shut them up. And that's how they get what they want.
Is Israel long for oil going to $250 a barrel before summer?
Pitiful warmongering. IF they like wars su much, then they should fight their wars themselves and let the others alone.
Why fight your own war, when you can get stupid American saps to do it for you?
and by all this macho ism by the tribe ..oil prices are skyrocketing in the US again…
price of gas jump by 26 cents /gal yesterday…and has been on the rise alot
thanks to the belligerence of the US and israel
I have no problem with Israel attacking Iran. I wish them well but please leave our kids out of wars for the benefit of Israel only. Israel has too big of a military. It is about time the israel provide its children to military conflicts. Israel has never provided one man hour to operations like Korea or Vietnam. Why are they too good to fight for their beliefs.
It is Israel who wasted its water and now lack the basic supply of water. I know it would be easy to just invade Lebanon if the arabs in Lebanon were not able to get resupplies from the Iranians. My solution is stay away and learn to live within your own means. No more wars for the greedy people of Israel.
"And of course, Iran’s nuclear program is entirely civilian in nature."
Ha ha ha ha! Explain then why they're enrighcing uraminium and in underground bunkers?
They're "enrighcing" because uranium must be enriched whether it be used for fuel or bombs. They have the right to enrich uranium according to the NPT. They're in underground bunkers because the u.s. and israel can't accept that right and they continue to threaten to bomb their sites. What rock have you been living under?
Here is the explanation that every nuclear physicist and engineer knows. Lightly enriched U235 allows the operation of much smaller nuclear reactors than uranium with the natural U235 concentration. Lightly enriched U235 is ideal for reactors producing pharmaceuticals but also energy. It is absolutely useless for nuclear bombs.
There were good reasons why the citizens of London went underground during WW2 when the alarm sounded even though the Luftwaffe bombers might have turned around. Got it?
Yes you are Klutz.
Because Israel keeps threatening to attack them?
Gosh, I just can't imagine. They must be a bunch of guilty paranoids, since no one has ever surrounded them and threatened them or anything. And just because every country that has renounced its so-called "WMD" has been attacked and destroyed by either the US or NATO, and every country that's gotten the weapon illegally has been welcomed into the nuke club by its fearful members, that's no reason for Iran to feel threatened now, is it? And as the US is such a well known law-abiding nation, they wouldn't treat a signatory to the NNPA unfairly, right? And of course, it's all about freedom and democracy. If there happen to be big oil reserves in Iran, I'm sure it will come as a complete surprise to the USA>
Who do these people think they are? The whole world to be thrown into recession for their benefit?
The idea that if Israel attacked it would only be against the nuclear facilities is absolutely ludicrous. Perhaps Israel will attack the nuclear facilities in the first moves (as they say, over weeks of intensive bombings), but Iran's counter move will be to hit Israel (or to hit US naval forces, as we are Israel's ally). A Shock and Awe campaign against the Iranian leadership will inevitably follow, justified by their counterattack, in which massive firepower will be launched against Iran as a whole. Allies of Iran like the Soviet Union will be forced to make a stand on its behalf. The oil resources of the Gulf will slow to a halt. Europe will be adversely affected. From the chaos, some will derive vastly greater powers than they now possess, and lots of money. I am sure the inside traders who are our Congress members will know how to play it to their advantage.
I'm not religious — I'm a Unitarian Universalist — but I still pray for the Iranian children (and the world's children) with regard to the looming plans of this disguised and violent post-nation-state global 'Vichy Empire'.
Best luck and love to the "Occupy Empire" educational and revolutionary movement.
Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality
Over
Violent/Vichy
Empire,
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Eine kleine "Fruhlingserwachenung" if not in Iran or Lebanon , then certainly in Gaza.
Can I get a 'seig'?
Its beginning to look like the Israelis are "threatening/blackmailing" the US into taking action rather than threatening Iran. As George Costanza on Seinfeld used to say, "its just a show".
Who has the world’s biggest military? Israel, because it has its’ own very powerful military and it has America’s, which it controls with its’ American-Israeli agents in the govt. and business. It has already used it to destroy the nation of Iraq and now it wants to destroy Iran. It’s not about the nukes which don’t exist, it’s about dominance and vengeance. The Iranians and indeed all Muslims have become their scapegoat for the Holocaust which has become a shield for their cruelty.
Funny how people rarely mention that all these politicians who constantly strip us of our rights are actually Israeli dual citizens … like the co-author of the PATRIOT Act and former head of Homeland security Chertoff (Israel dual citizen), Senator Levin who threw in the indefinite detention of US citizens without charge (Israel dual citizen), Senator Leiberman who's been leading the charge to allow gov't to limit credit card transactions to sites like Wikileaks (Israel dual citizen), and the list goes on and on and on
But their real loyalty is not to America.
I also believe that a desire for strange vengeance drives the Likud Party types – their grievances go way back – all the way back to when Babylon (Iraq) and Persia (Iran) used Israel and Judea as footstools. That is the problem with state sponsored religion, countries get so tied up with their ancient history (whether real or mythological), they can't ever move on. Also, it seems that with the poor suffering Palestinians; Israel feels that the Almighty is still speaking to them through Joshua, commanding putting all of these people to the edge of a sword.
"Attack on Iran must come by summer."
Just like clockwork…start a war during the US election season.
Russia and China have some very important decisions to make.
Even though Putin is by far the most supported and favorably considered
politician in Russia, the US/Israel media outlets will swarm airwaves with reports
of election fraud. March 4th.
Russia may be very close to taking a true stand against Israel.
The suicidal theocratic israeli government is going to ruin the world. What will it take for the world to stand up to these primitives?
Remember this has nothing to do with nukes. The goal is regime change, or better yet, dismantling the whole Iranian state. They succeeded in Iraq, and they are trying again. They'll radiate the whole country with DU bombs and shells, destroy as much infrastructure as they can. We've seen it before. Come out Feb. 4 to stop it, call and write your media and politicians in the meantime.
"Israeli officials attack on Iran must come by summer”…, or what…? This wording is a pure and simple notion.., nothing but pressuring US and EU for yet another bribe.., in another word, if Israel don't get paid from now to summer then it well attack Gaza and kill more people there. is an ultimatum given, as many time before US and EU governments are playing by the rule of the old Mafia.., I don't care pay me, your solders are did and dying, your people are paying the price suffering, I don't care pay me.
Who's the censor here? Jesus, can you say anything? No more donations from my ass.
Find out from whom Israel buys most of its oil because there may lie the root of this bullying.
Isreal is behind schedule. The chief of Mossad had announced last year that they were going into Iran in November but that deadline came and went. I wonder if the Chosen People are afraid of China and Russia backing up Iran.
And then you have millions of Christian Zionist dupes in this country following people like John Hagee's fat ass rah-rah-ing for Izzystan to start WW3 so Scotty can beam them up to heaven. Total insanity! Sometimes they scare me more than the nutjobs running Israel do.