Faced with a round of threats and speculations of an impending war so shrill that it has sent oil prices soaring, Russia and China were quick today to caution the United States against launching an attack on Iran.
Attacking Iran would be a “very serious mistake fraught with unpredictable consequences,” warned Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, while China expressed concern that the threats were harming the prospects of diplomacy.
They are just the latest in a growing chorus of nations to express concerns about starting another major war. Germany has also said they oppose such a move.
A growing number of US officials past and present have expressed a preference for launching a military attack on Iran soon, with an IAEA report alleging some vague allegations about computer simulations serving as the latest pretext.
Israeli officials have also been hyping the prospect of launching an attack on Iran themselves, with President Shimon Peres insisted the war was “more likely” than any sort of diplomatic solution. Israeli military officials are said to prefer an attack before winter.
When is the inspection of Israel's nuke site's. The whole middle ease should be nuke free.
The whole world
This is one of the reasons why Iran has been reluctant to allow US weapons inspectors (from the IAEA) in, because they believe that Israel should be forced to sign and abide by the conditions of the NPT. Of course, Israel do not wish to be bound by the rules which the rest of us abide by.
The whole world should be nuke free. The notion that a few nations can hold the fate of the entire human race and the rest of our living companions on this tiny planet of ours in their maniacal hands, is preposterous and utterly obscene. We are literally a "mistake" away from being blown into oblivian.
This is just propaganda to pressure Iran.
Eventually the rest of the world is going to wake up and take measures to reign in the US government. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Barak stated on 10.31.2011 (Haaretz) that Iran is not a threat to Israel and that Israeli citizens should not worry about Iran. It is all a cynical ploy by Israel to i) distract from, and possibly defuse, the Palestine UN problem and ii) to paint the US into a corner where Obama has no choice to bomb Iran on order to satisfy internal US politics.
Sorry but you are not allowed to discuss Israel’s weapons of mass destruction.
We all cry on Iran but Israelis have undeclared Nukes under the umbrella of US protection and hegemony. I will prefer that america go another war so that they will get a lesson. Till now they attack poor countries. It will be hell for america in Irak and in afghanistan.
I don't think If either USA or Israel attack to Iran. They are just trying manipulate and threaten Iranian gov to stop their nulear process(USA believes) by using these kind of words. As we can see USA has invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and still they are struggling to fight agains Al Qaida and Taliban.
I don't think they will be in posistion of another war with Iran and face World War III.
@MarineLJ – Very good question. US policy in the Middle East is risible because it is unbalanced, disconnected, one-sided and unfair. It is mind-boggling that any nation with a rogue nuclear arsenal should place demands upon another nation sans even one confirmed nuke. This entire Israel-Iran contretemps is the nadir of US foreign policy. Congress should hang its collective head in shame for voting 407 to 6 to stop funding the Palestinians if they sought UN recognition. That one is like shooting one's self in the head. In fact, US policy vis a vis Israel-Palestine has become a game of Russian Roulette – self-destructive, counterproductive, self-damaging and potentially dangerous to the national security of the USA.
What do you expect from senate that has sold it's soul to the devil?
Hmmm is that the same Russia and China that had no problem with ZOG attacking Libya?
Is that the same Russia that unethically cancelled the sale of a defensive S-300 surface to air missile system it was under contract to provide to Iran? Is the same Russia that sold out Yugoslavia and Iraq? I wish Russia and China would shut-up already.
You wish they would lie down, and not be rational as they are being. They have been way too compliant to Israeli and American terror wars. Russia , and China must make the US pay dearly for another needless, and pointless attack on a non-threatening country.
I wish they would "put up ot shut up", that's what I wish. I'm sick of the hypocrisy. In the never ending global "Kitty Genovese" case in which we find ourselves, the worthless bystanders who could've done something but didn't, are almost as disgraceful as the perpetrators thhemselves.
First of all it is not the same Russia that sold out Yugoslavia in the late 90s. And second, who is the one that is attacking these places, it is not the Chinese or the Russians.
Looks like both sides have read "The Art of War."
Oil prices went up – mission accomplished.
Mr. Lavrov, it will take much more than mere words to deter these 21st century Super Nazis.
Russia and China should do all they can to make sure that ANY ill-advised attack by Israel is met with the bloody nose and black eye it so richly deserves.
They REALLY must have Obama by the shorties if they can talk so openly about sacrificing MORE young Americans in another pointless war where only Israel benefits. So blase about killing and dying, life must be really cheap in the US.
He is worse than a politically motivated coward. He is a traitor.
Any young "Americans" who die attacking Iran (or any other country) will have sacrificed themselves. Anyone who signs up today to be a Zionist crusader is just as morally responsible as Obama and Obama's handlers. The excuses just don't fly anymore.
US and NATO stands for a bigger militarism regime no matter what kind of democrats’ or republicans are elected.., accept Ron Paul.., that is to say if his elected.
For last 60 years US and later (1990s) NATO been at wars with every corner of this world.., every president and prim minister or the NEO fascism in Sweden is asking for wars.., “if you want to change the world you need to participate in it” are the words from the officials within the Swedish government…, every US presidents need to have a war in his/her name.., that is the nature of capitalism using its governments to achieve what the system is after.., world domination.
So let’s start with the war in Iran and Syria.., question is.., why is it that northern Persian Gulf countries and their governments need to be changed but not the south where all the tyrants and barbarians’ are ruling.., why is it that US and NATO is defending these regimes but not willing to participate in diplomacy with countries in north of Persian gulf…? They say that bird a like will fly with a like.
I would take this warning serious ! Not because the two countries are aggressive – no, in opoosite: I have read an report about large troops concentration in Lativia near the Russian border. Allegedly a huge number of vehicles with missiles. It were not-identifyable troops just in black uniforms without any nationality signs.
What's the point of Russia and China wasting their breath warning of "unpredictable consequences"? It's silly and pointless. Of course there will be "unpredictable consequences"; that's what global empire's all about. That's like warning an arsonist not to play with matches.
Maybe they don't realize that they're talking to bloodthirsty, criminally insane psychopaths bent on complete world domination? Maybe they don't realize that our Judeo-fascist dictatorship, having already committed so many monstrous crimes against humanity, can't stop now even if it wanted to?
We have seen the enemy and he is us. – Pogo (Walt Kelly)
This sums up the 20th century in one paragraph:
New Deal make-work programs did not end the Great Depression. That was ended by World War II which put everyone to work in the war economy. Inflation — that reversed deflation which had caused the Great Depression — paid for it. That is what the United States has been doing ever since 1945 and we have had non-stop wars and inflation since then. It seemed to work in the 1940s and 1950s. It stopped working in the 1960s. By the 1970s Germany, France and Switzerland were demanding payment in gold and Nixon "closed the gold window." Then, Nixon went to China and started the beginning of the end for the U.S. economy when he took China off the **** list and started buying manufactured Chinese goods. Mao won the war thanks to Nixon, Deng Xiaoping and Chinese workers who do excellent work for less. Guns, bombs and financial hocus pocus lost, period, but the U.S. and its vassals keep trying them anyway.
World War II was not fought to "save the world from fascism." It was fought to smash the rivals of the Anglo-American Empire and provide the Empire with an insurmountable lead over everyone else. Guess who actually started WW II? It wasn't Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. The same people started WW I, the Spanish American War, the Boer Wars, and also the Napoleonic (world) Wars which crushed France the second time and the Seven Years (world) War which crushed France the first time. Each victory established an insurmountable lead for the Empire over all of its rivals.
"We are the world's only remaining superpower," boasted the United States with the victory in the Cold War as the USSR dissolved. "Ours is the most powerful military the world has ever known."
Have this thought on "Remembrance Day" on the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month which celebrates the Great Victories of 1945 and 1918 and the rest of our victories stretching back to the Spanish Armada and beyond. Don't forget the Civil War, although that war has its own special American day, Memorial Day. Read English history back to 1066 when the modern era really began. We have been saving the world from a fate worse than death for a thousand years. We are so noble.
Phony issue. Iran is merely the next block in the western wall of captive states encircling the old Russian empire. The bankers who are the authors of our endless grief covet the assets of old Russia and have for a rather long time. Since these people, these bankers, are insane they will never stop until they own everything in the entire world. If they can't own it, they will happily destroy it (as, for example, they recently did in Iraq.) We who revere greed and predation will never be able to control them. Thus, sad to say, we are doomed.
Well meaning idealists, optimists, wishful thinkers, and so on are welcome to continue trying to stop the war machine but until you address the source of this insanity you will merely waste your energy and drive yourself crazy beating your head on the titanium wall of ideology. Been there, done that.
Believe me, that is how russia is gonna feel about it. That is how china is gonna feel about it. What do the chinese call the korean war for christs sake? The War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea. You know, both of my grandfathers fought in the korean war and they told me how scared they were. They didn't see combat but they were afraid that the whole thing could escalate into a disaster. That's what really matters is how russia and china perceive all this american adventurism. People don't need to go that far back in history to see what happened to the last empire to invade Russia. They were destroyed as well.
But again, this isn't just me or you saying this, sy hersh and other people whose job it is to bring the truth are saying this. We here in America are in uncharted territory. Historically we have seen this before but we have never seen this before. Knowing the US like I do this will end in a wide global war. Sort of like what we are seeing now. You people want to know what WW3 looks like? THIS is what it looks like. We are seeing it right before our eyes.
I have been saying this for a while. Most people like gerald celente and alex jones keep talking about how we are on the verge of WW3, but I say no, WW3 happened in 2001. What we are on the verge of right now is not WW3, but the end of WW3. And I shudder to think what THAT will look like. We all know how WW2 ended, and we all know what Einstein said about WW3 and sticks and stones. The Nazis had Russia to bring them down, perhaps Iran will be America Russia.
For me, the US going to war with russia and china just sounds too absurd for me. I guess I'll believe it when I see it. I think going to war with Iran will suck russia and china into war. The best geopolitical scenario I have heard is from webster tarpley.. He says by hitting Iranian nuclear sites you hit russia, because russia helped build them. By hitting their oil refineries you are attacking china because they built the refineries.
the IAEA report purporting "new damning evidence" has just been announced, but conveniently, the report is nowhere to be found; not even on the iaea website.
once again. many questions and all left un-answered
What obligation Israel still has regarding to NPT if any? Israel refuses to sign but actively enforces NPT, is this ultra ridiculous? Any IAEA report about Israel's worldwide well known Nuclear weapon capability etc?
It's only a matter of time before Iran has their comeuppance for taking US citizens hostage and their wanton human rights violations. Such a country does not deserve nuclear weapons.
By the same token, one could argue that it's just a matter of time before the US has their comeuppance for invading and occupation foreign nations and slaughtering millions of civilians. But, hey Schmuck, don't let facts get in the way of your delusions, ok?
Yeah, you're a schmuck alright.
Now can you tell me exactly WHY those hostages were taken? Do you have any clue of the history of Iran for the last half a century or so? Do you have any idea what Western-instigated chain of events might have sparked the Iranian Revolution?
That being said, Gitmo is full of foreign citizens taken hostage without charges and without legal recourse- and who face life imprisonment even if found completely innocent by military tribunal. I wonder how they feel about the human rights record of the United States? As for human rights records having any bearing on possessing nuclear weapons, I think a few million Palestinians might like to have a word with you regarding Israel's treatment of them since '47.
THINK. It might do you a world of good.
You see this site has been burned before by this Iran scenario. They're being cautious this time around than say back in 2008 when it was getting really heated. Today, it is even worse than 2008. This isn't just me saying this, it's prestigious individuals like sy hersh and scott ritter and ray mcgovern etc. etc. etc. As the economy continues to tank and the promise of a recovery fools no one, the possibility of war with Iran becomes a guarantee. People are starting to lose everything all over the world and there wont be any objection to war. These are the things I and most people fear.
To me, all we have to do is look at the war with Iraq, it took them 10+ years to get regime change in Iraq, but they did it. They never gave up, they just kept pushing and pushing and pushing and they got it. Same thing here with Iran. They will eventually get it, the only unknown is when. We don't know. It's all connected to the economy. If they can get people drunk on cheap credit then maybe the public will be too distracted with cheap junk from china to care about another war.
On the other hand look at what happened with the great depression. Everybody was miserable and the people were willing to accept ANYTHING! So I don't know what environment would be best for the government to launch their war to end all wars. All I know is that it is coming, so be prepared.
Untill this happens evil iswinning in a world were peace is possible if we care about each other the way we should.
If China and Russia are really serious about stopping a "possible" strike on Iran, perhaps they should bring it under their nuclear umbrella. Iran has a virtual non-existent history of military aggression, so China & Russia wouldn't have to worry about the Iranians dragging them into a war they've started. This is probably the only thing that will stop this march towards catastrophe in the region. The Iranians can also state that this proves, more than anything, that they aren't seeking to build nukes since they are under China & Russia's umbrella so why would they need them? The Americans and NATO might scoff, but would could they do about it short of starting a nuclear holocaust? China & Russia are both permanent security council members, so if they believe that doing this will avoid a war with Iran, then I'm all for it.
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuh, this is getting good! For the first time, the Empire has a worthy adversary. Go China! Go Russia! Go Iran! F*ck Israel!
It certainly is beginning to sound like they're really talking themselves into it – or rather letting Israel talk them into it as usual. They will most likely begin with some kind of thrilling 'shock and awe' with a catchy title – like 'Operation aren't we the most wonderful and powerful nation on earth' that will be broadcast on all the tv channels in US and Israel, perhaps Canada and Europe too because it will be great ratings. That will go on seemingly endlessly and then it will be all downhill from there and suddenly everything will seem to go wrong and even Israel will finally feel the pain of war and destruction it has sought to inflict upon all of its neighbours without exception for decades now. Nothing will work anymore, even the drones will fall out of the sky, the aircraft carriers will sink to the bottom of the sea with thousands on board and the armies will revolt against their leaders – a military coup will take place in Israel, putting an end to the corruption and arrogance of the politicians… to be continued…
We have seen the enemy and he is us. – Pogo (Walt Kelly)