The center of not just various rebel statements but the entire NATO war effort, the claims that Moammar Gadhafi had massacred tens of thousands of civilians in the course of the Libyan Civil War has been taken as a matter of fact. But with the war ending, people are starting to count the bodies. And starting to wonder where they all are.
The ruling council was claiming at least 50,000 had been killed just by Gadhafi forces, which wouldn’t include the people the rebels killed in fighting or whatever happened to all those black people that just disappeared when the rebels took over.
That’s a lot of people, and it certainly made the world stand up and take notice. The problem is that the morgues, hard at work tallying up the dead, are finding death tolls in the hundreds, not the tens of thousands. Bodies are missing, to be sure, but the Red Cross is reporting 1,000 missing, with 3,000 as the absolute most that are unaccounted for.
The rebels are now pinning their hopes on “mass graves” scattered across the country, but many of these have already been figured into the tolls by the Red Cross. The bodies in the mass graves number in the dozens, at best the hundreds.
Was the whole “genocide” a lie? Its too soon to say for sure, but the rebel government’s initially claim of 50,000 seems to be at the very least a dramatic overstatement, and even the more modest “25,000-30,000” their officials are reporting today shows a decided lack of evidence. In the end even 25,000 may be a factor of ten too many, and with the rebels’ own killings starting up in earnest they may find the bodycount from the Gadhafi regime’s reign of terror much easier to catch than anyone expected.
by percentage of population apparently Israel's attacks on either Lebanon or Gaza were both far worse.
so why not give hamas israel's seat at the UN
Why am I not surprised? We heard the same about Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Darfur, etc.
It's going to turn up that the greatest number of people who died were unfortunate black Africans who found themselves in Libya when the war started and perished as they fled rebel terror and NATO bombs, either on sunken boats in the Mediterranean, or when trekking across the Sahara.
Re lybia it is all about oil and of course they,the west geared Media will say 50.000 massacred by the Gaddafi regime how about the death toll in Hiroshima the american did protect the civilians in this case I am disappointed in the anti war .com because they are not raising the issue that the UN resolution is one way story
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Re lybia it is all about oil and of course they,the west geared Media will say 50.000 massacred by the Gaddafi regime how about the death toll in Hiroshima the american did protect the civilians in this case I am disappointed in the anti war .com because they are not raising the issue that the UN resolution is one way story
Inflate and conquer….
The one thing you can count on is that our government will stop at nothing to promote their wars. Lying to the American people has become so old hat that they could have the best reasons in the world to take us to war, ie. legitimate defense and they would still lie and come up with something ten times worse. (the sky is falling).
it's not that war propaganda is anything new it's just that they don't even do much to hide the fact anymore. They have gotten the American people so used to their lies that they don't have to worry about saying the most outrageous things.
DARKNESS — IRREVERSIBLE
Libya has only 6.4 million, so a 50k slaughter by Gaddafi would have meant that he wasted 8% of the population, killed the father of most every family in Libya.
So, the rebel leader’s claim of saving Libya from a mass murder is an illusion of good hiding misery, a liar’s pretense of good hiding his intent to be enriched upon Libya’s misery.
Yes, but its only a temporary mental darkness, an illusion that exists only in the minds of those deceived, just darkness that light can in an instant force to give way.
Problem is, what should be temporary is most permanent, as NBC is a corporate dictatorship owned by General Electric which is the world’s largest manufacturer of war materials, NPR is a non-profit corporate dictatorship controlled by the corporate rich who fund it — and most irreversible and absolute is the darkness.
Commander Obama and his military team will claim they "saved" 100,000 lives and that's as good excuse as any to move on to Somalia and Yemen….
You contibuted with your posts to propagate these figures that NATO and the bought and paid for rebels were pulling out of their asses without ever questioning them. And now you feign indignation at being misled Mr. Ditz??
You are currently doing the same in Syria, regurgitating figures that a massive propaganda war against the ruling party is putting out. Does it not bother your credulity that CNN is talking almost nightly on a cell phone to a woman in Damascus whose husband was supposedly arrested and released by the Assad regime? Would a regime accused of mass murders allow this? Did you not just learn that one such human rights advocate in Libya was in fact a NATO spy directing their bombs on her country's army? What is that called Mr. Ditz?
whether they're nonsense or not, official claims of X deaths are newsworthy. I think I've been pretty straightforward in my skepticism about the claimed deaths, particularly in Libya, for months now.
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/04/27/us-envoy-libya…
they'll just count all the nato bombing civilians deaths as qadafi massacre victims and by the time nato stops bombing libya, the numbers will match up.
Death toll is probably in the low thousands. 50,000 would mean over 200 killed per day since February. There's no evidence of carnage on that scale.
the "rebels"/thugs were counting(they can count?) and reporting the numbers of libyans and visiting workers that they, the thugs, and nato had killed, murdered.
with some 35,000 – 45,000 bombs, the numbers of libyans murdered by nato-the-liberator is probabaly greater than 100,000.
qadhdhafi was saving libyans.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/amn…
The Libyans may have greeted the rebels as liberators at first. But they haven't seen what is awaiting them in a long run… It is going to be a long torturous road with no "happy end" sign ahead (((
Wrong – the majority are against the NATO rebels – even in a large part in Benghasi !
Benghazi,30 July 2011: the NATO Rebel Held City FIGHTS AGAINST rebels from France, Islamists and Qatar military and is many are shoot death by NATO helicopters !!!
War in Benghazi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khXrVVvvsDM
and here the whole picture and what to do to solve the whole problems with Libya – speech of the liyban government spookesman Dr. Moussa Ibrahim at Press Conference 29-07-2011
at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjceJSMN-I
Gaddafi would win any election – that's why they want to kill and charge him and keep him out of elections. USA decides who can be voted – not the Libyans. They only can vote for US puppet governments – US agents kept as sleeper government in the USA -like e.g. the new "libyan finance minister" fresh form his sleeper job at Washington university. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoyyAymXsE8 who just was robbing the libyan central bank.
From 17.06 – 19.07.11, 5 Million demonstrated against NATO and its rebels = 80 percent of libyans – that is why NATO does not accept Libyan government offer of democratic elections supervised by UN and AU !
green Pro-Gadddafi-Demonstrations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0XsF03fNM4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zJHBlD0IBE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOplioLKxs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFD62FVkVmQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXaywUqVesg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXmdVcmdCQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhArxeJIY8o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p4MlvFGbao http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15Eds2B6HlU44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jGSwuXct0k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-UauWzcAkg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o2O2zePL4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN18Sg5w5t8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rqLQOzgSUY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEidZcZJ6AI
This war and the uprise has been planned and conducted by the US, so they are responsible for all killings !
Proof:
1st confirmation
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US General Wesley Clark who reported years ago about the US Government plan to invade 7 arab countries in 5 years iraq, syria, Lebanon, Libya, somalia, sudan and Iran.
The political background:
They had information that Russia would not intervene in a 10 year time window in wars of the US against the former soviet satellite states:
e.g. Russia has a naval base in Syria – the only one in the mediterian sea.
2nd confirmation:
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In this interview a defense strategy specialist from the french defense ministry says …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKA0F0XQDI at 4:55: " we believe they( U S A ) d e c i d e d n o t t o s u p p o r t G a d d a f i m a y b e t w o y e a r s a g o ( ! ) a n d d i d p r o c e e d s t e p b y s t e p t o t h e s i t u a t i o n w e f a c e n o w "
this french defense strategy specialist from the first rt-interview video link above is
Eric Denécé, Officier-analyste à la direction de l'Evaluation et de la Documentation Stratégique du Secrétariat Général de la Défense Nationale (SGDN). In English: Analyst for strategic evaluation and documentation of the general office of french national defense. Check his interesting biography that shows how competent he is in such matters and what is be done on government levels at http://www.cf2r.org/fr/biographie-eric-denece.php It is in French, so use Google machine translation.
3rd confirmation:
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just do a google search for "Presidential+Study+Directive+11"
4rd confirmation
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by italian president Silvio Berlusconi, he said according to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaa…
in their live news clips at:
"21.43 Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi claims that ousted Libyan leader Moamer w a s l o v e d b y h i s p e o p l e a n d t h a t t h e r e b e l l i o n t h a t t o p p le d h i m w a s n o t a p o p u l a r u p r i s i n g :
Quote This wasn't a popular uprising, (like in other north African countries) where the wind of freedom begins to blow.
P o w e r f u l m e n d e c i d e d t o g i v e l i f e t o a n e w e r a by putting out Gaddafi.
This wasn't a popular uprising because Gaddafi was loved by his people, as I was able to see when I went to Libya. "
5th confirming eyewithnesses:
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A reporter of globalresearch.ca siad at
Mahdi Nazemroaya in Malta After Libya
At 12:30" there were (at the beginning) british security forces and the USA had occupied all the upper floors in the Bengasi Hotel t o p r e a p a r e a n d c o n d u c t a l l t h e e v e n t s i n L i b y a "
Even a dutch NATO-Helicopter was captured at the beginning of the "uprise" from obviously loyal libyan troops: Libya TV Shows Captured Dutch NATO Helicopter Crew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PoYNP7ES5Q