The culmination of years of surveillance, with Navy SEALs bursting into a residence and engaging in an epic firefight with the world’s most wanted terrorist (hiding behind his wife and armed with an AK-47) in his palatial estate certainly makes for good copy, and movie studios were already lining up to turn it into feature films. The only problem was it never happened.
Not how it was told to the American public on Sunday night and Monday morning, at least. With the public still basking in the glorious victory and officials presenting it as a vindication of eternal warfare, and promising more of the same, factoids began to creep out which blew the whole story apart.
We now know that bin Laden was entirely unarmed, his wife was shot in an entirely different room. There was no “human shield,” no Ak-47. Bin Laden’s palatial estate, presented as damning evidence of Pakistani culpability, turned out to be a moldy, unairconditioned house.
White House spokesman Jay Carney, incredibly, is still talking about a “highly volatile firefight,” but it now appears that the only armed people in the house were the Navy SEALs, and they were engaged in a “volatile firefight” with an unarmed, sickly man who they repeatedly shot. CIA director Leon Panetta speculated that bin Laden didn’t have any armed guards because he assumed his information network would alert him to possible threats.
Even this official story seems to be in doubt now, however, with bin Laden’s 12 year old daughter in the room at the time of his death. The report now is that bin Laden was successfully captured alive first and then summarily executed by the troops.
President Obama has vowed not to release the photos of bin Laden’s death. This is being spun as an effort to avoid a backlash, but might be an effort to manage the rate at which new evidence challenging old lies continues to come out.
Why was Osama bin Laden caught or killed? He gave Washington the TSA, the patriot act, a huge Military Industrial Complex, a people running to them because of manufactured fear, a wrecked economy and on and on. Was it to boost Obama's poll ratings? It did that. Are they going to continue cowering us with look a like bogeymen? I can understand killing him and burying him where there can't be a trial. Better there be only one story about 9/11 I guess.
There will be a new attack on the US blamed no doubt on an entity more closely linked to Syria or Iran so we can expand the the theater in the Middle East and build up China's western flank. At some point we will all realize that we live on this small, fragile planet together and then there will be change we can believe in. Not yet though I am afraid.
I begin to suspect the main reason why no photo and no body of Osama is showing today is due to him not being killed but shot and then hauled off to some secret CIA rendition site. Once he is tortured enough for information, they plan to dump his body then they might show photos of it.
Oh what webb we weave when we try to deceive. Obama liar, liar your pants are on fire.
Man! That seems seriously cold-blooded… I mean, no tears for OBL but with a little girl (probably pleading and screaming hysterically) in the same room – how can you put a bullet in the temple of her father? I'm sure they could have moved him to another room or done it on the helicopter.
The SEALS are some of the most proficient warriors on the planet – their training makes them so – but does it also make them machines that just follow technical orders with dead hearts? I have a daughter that age and I can tell you that when a little girl like that cries, I can't imagine not being moved by it.
The SEALS are some of the most proficient warriors on the planet . What a laughable comment. They are bunch of cowards fighting behind walls. Let them dare to land their copters on the mountains of Chechnya, then they will see who are the best fighters on this planet. Your comment is a mirror of Hollywood style..lol.
I said 'most proficient', they have excellent training plus the high-tech 'toys' which they are extremely adept at using. On top of that they have a multi-billion dollar military to commit helicopters and other tools like artillery strikes at their disposal.
As far as bravery is concerned, I have nothing but respect for the Chechen fighters (excluding those blowing up innocent civilians) going back all the way to Dudayev and the original Imam Shamyl. Those guys fight without the 'toys', air-cover or even decent battlefield medical supplies.
However, one can hardly argue that you would use Chechen insurgents to de-mine a harbor that you need to get a ship into or have them parachute 30 miles behind enemy lines because they simply do not have those skills. Proficiency and versatility is different than bravery and resourcefulness.
Anyway – you missed the main point of my previous post that I fear modern military training methods may rob a human being of their soul.
these people lie as a matter of convenience.
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next: Bin Laden shot in the back, wife bludgeoned to death in a 4 hour drinking and drug party. The free and brave at work
Where is this "new evidence" coming from? Keep in mind that the whole story is nothing but theater from beginning to end. Bin Laden has been dead for nine years. He was being treated by American doctors in Dubai and then in Pakistan for kidney failure right up until Sept 10, 2001. If they wanted to find him after that, all they had to do was track orders of highly sophisticated, expensive and bulky dialysis equipment.
How is it we didn't shoot the 12 year old daughter?
I guess that she wasn't wearing a British soldier's uniform?
The US wanted this to be seen as a heroic firefight in which their foe was vanquished.
In reality this was little more than an execution mission.
Just as well….
My gut feeling is that they probably already had him secured a while back, and were waiting for the right time in the news cycle to "take him out".
You can always tell when government people are lying…..Their lips are moving.
The White House claims Osama was reaching for his weapon. I disagree! Osama was reaching for the telephone trying to call his landlord/ Neocon minder Marc Grossman to say "WTF!"
All eyes need to be on Grossman.
It is alledged that the Whitehouse situation room had video feed, time to release the feed.
Maybe then we will see what caused Hillary to cover her mouth in shock!
Was it the shooting of an unarmed Bin Ladin or of Bin ladin reaching for an AK47 (although I have seen pics of him using an AK 74)
No, Panetta now says that there was no live video feed from all the cameras on the Seals' helmets for the whole time they were in the house – for 25 minutes everything was black. So does that picture of all the White House bigwigs intently watching the live action was a staged photo?
Or how about this: the Pakistanis raided the house in 2003 looking for a top-level Al Queda guy, but somewhere else it says the house wasn't built until 2005…
You'll notice all their laptops are off in the photo. Maybe they all forgot to plug them in, or maybe it's a sloppily staged photo.
Is there any University offering Ph.D in lyingology…Man there is great future for in it.
They should've used Logitech made cameras.
They need a new boogeyman now if they want to continue killing muslims. Maybe Iran will be the new boogeyman. After "Iran" bombs america
Look they were there to kill him.., a shot to his left eye and one to his heart…, they needed someone to be killed.., now if that person was OBL or not is the question.., they say it was but not willing to prove it.., so the entire matter is as strange as when Bush and his gang of warmongers said that Iraq hade a WMD while every other legitimate source was telling otherwise. Look.., US/NATO is not a democracy nor they will respect the principals of it.., therefore everything they do needs to be either lie or not being able to prove their action based on transparency of a true and functioning democracy.., by not willing to do that then they are telling you the truth about one thing.., and that thing is not what they say that they are.
Having said that; what remains is that US/NATO is a militarism regime and they are going to continue as long as they can ride that donkey.., as long as that donkey is willing to give the ride we the people will hear these lies and see unjustified wars based on these peoples interests.
Now.., socialism, functioning democracy, and everything else in between that would minimize these people interests they would start a war for it.., every president for last 60 years have hade one.., Libya is under Obama and Hillary Clintons name to remind people of who these people are and who they are working for…, CAPITALISM.., every president for last 30 years hade a “Trophy” this one is under the name of Obama.
What the hell does the US have to do with capitalism? It died over a hundred years ago beginning with the 'Progressive' Roosevelt.
"Look they were there to kill him.., a shot to his left eye and one to his heart…, they needed someone to be killed..,"
Do keep up, today's version is that he was shot in the forehead above the eyes, but his left eye is missing.
Head's up for tomorrow. He will be shot above the left temple in tomorrows version.
I suspect all three accounts are true, which is why they aren't releasing the photos.
More US lies it's the norm now.If the citizens and the military let all the illegal things the government does happen there is going to be now simpathy for them at all.Iam almost positive Osama has been dead for years and the united states criminal government is using this for a reason for more wars.The US constitution is no longer used by the people elected that they swear to uphold.Criminals they should be in jail but they will be dead before the world admits they should have been brought to justice for not just crimes against humanity but drug trafficking also because they are the worlds biggest drug dealers.If for every crime just Bush and Obama commited they would be in jail even if they lived to 1 million years old.Ron Paul 2012 and I bet they get charged if they can get asround the fact that Bush made sure he could never be brought to court for 9/11.If you did not have been involved why would you be worried about going to mcourt to prove you did nothing wrong thet in it's self tells he was involved.Can not even begin to im azgine what God has in stor for him and all people like him.I'm not vbery religious but i do belive there is a GOD and he will suffer bwith the worst of them.
The one LIE that KILLS the "Osama killed Obama" story
In the late afternoon on Sunday the Pakistani press was reporting a PAKISTANI helicopter had crashed in the neighborhood of the Pakistani "West Point" and the PAKISTANI pilot was dead and one PAKISTANI crew member injured.
Osama er Obama told us it was a US helicopter.
End of story.
If OBL really did die years ago, wouldn't it be a laugh if someone who knew dug him up and proved it was him and this whole fairy tale exposed?
Still you would not believe it….Sir..Reason for that is the Media who is spinning things around.
the comments are correct. lies, lies, and more lies. war, war, and more war. such will only continue, because the survival of the US depends upon such.
cant beleive a word out of obamas mouth 'no body talking about his fake birth certificate now. Cant trust the US goverment at all. They are planning some thing big
Better be ready for the Big Bang John…
I vividly recall Colin Powell's presentation to the United Nations in 2003, showing aerial photographs of Sadam's ever illusive 'mobile chemical laboratories' roaming Iraq ,as well as scores of other deceptions. The United states has lost any credibility and it is downright stupid to believe at face value anything that comes from the White House.
Killing Osama was part of the deal with the Pakistani government. To keep him from telling the true story of 9/11, the real names behind the Kennedy assassination, and the current whereabouts of the Loch Ness Monster.
Keep your eye on the sparrow ladies and gentlemen. The numerous attacks as of late on the U.S..
This crap is a cat toy. Play with this. Nixon's AEC sited and licensed the Fukushima plant where and how it sat. The next major tsunami was guaranteed to disable the cooling, yielding a meltdown and ignition of the spent fuel pellets stored over the reactor. Fortune decided that 40 years of pellets would go up and create a plume that would extend over the U.S. in a week and continue to rain fallout on the U.S. (as it may) for months. Was it luck that it coincided with the 'blue plague' and total death of the GOM? Obama and Osama. What is the difference? B.S..
We see photos of the administration supposedly watching "live" the killing of bin Laden and there are now how many versions of the event? Every day there is a new account..
What used to be called lying is now PR.
They take us for fools because we let them!
"Bin Laden’s palatial estate, presented as damning evidence of Pakistani culpability, turned out to be a moldy, unairconditioned house."
…Which incidentally the Pakistani government claim they raided in 2003 and failed to find anyone, which is why "it slipped off the ISI's radar, BUT the Americans claim it was not even built until 2005.
The CIA have also admitted that as this raid happened, that the helmet cams were switched off in an intentional operational blackout, so the photo's of the "bunker" with the Whitehouse staff watching the raid "live" had to be staged then?
If it all happened as they claim, then there would be no need for so many large inconsistencies in their narrative.
Then to add insult to incompetence, the whitehouse refuses to offer any evidence whatsoever that they did actually kill Bin Laden, we are supposed to take this all on trust.
If I went on a hunting trip, bagged me a bigfoot, then hired a boat and disposed of the body, but told the world what I had done, I would expect the world to not believe me.
Sadly, the fact of the matter is, that there is more evidence, although very weak, that Osama Bin Laden died in December 2001 of Kidney failure, than there is that he was killed last weekend.
All we have for evidence in this latest incident is the ever changing account by an administration in trouble and seeking re-election.
"If it all happened as they claim, then there would be no need for so many large inconsistencies in their narrative."
Exactly. That is the trouble with a propaganda operation which was created on the spur of the moment with NO long term operation planning. Long term planning is REQUIRED so you can get your story STRAIGHT. You need to be able to run through the news cycle a few times to work out all the bugs.
Good for us as it exposes yet ANOTHER lie.
How did CIA get away with intereing with forensic evidence at a crime scene. It is a crime to contaminate evidence at a crime scene until the all clear is given by the forensic squads who will independantly offer information about this event. How now do we trust the US and stem the conspiracy industry when shadowy forces take over reporting a crime scene
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Also we are being told that there were only photographs of Bin Laden taken at the airbase in Afghanistan, and on the ship from which his body was dumped into the sea from…
HELLO? Helmet cams? Yes we are now told by the head of the CIA, no less, that the helmet cams were inconveniently switched off during part of the raid. Is there ANY footage of the raid (prior to or after the helmet cams were switched off) which actually shows Bin Laden? If not, then why show the image of the Whitehouse staff watching and (allegedly) directing the raid in real-time.
Go ahead whitehouse, show an image of the alive Bin Laden from the helmet cams in the moments before he was shot, IF you have one.
This whole story is a LIE!!
Where was Osama Bin Ladens fanatical bodyguards?
The pictures from Reuters show a dead UNARMED man with a water pistol! A man who obviously shaves ,and therefore is NO ISLAMIC EXTREMIST!!
The picture from the White House…OOPS sorry we seemed to not have the 25 minutes of film , ALL the helmets cameras stopped working!!
WHY DOES THIS REMIND ME OF NIXON IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND 18MINUTES OF INCRIMINATING TAPE VANISHING!!
THE USA OBVIOUSLY HAS SLAUGHTERED SOMEONES FAMILY …JUST PROBABLY NOT BIN LADENS!!
They also manged to crash a helicopter in the process of taking on 4 unarmed men and thier wives and kids…what a bunch of murderous muppets!!
So, another Che Guevara style execution– and another legend created.
THEY DIDN'T GET HIM. HE DIED 9 YEARS AGO. NO BODY. NO PHOTO, AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAD NO LIVE FOOTAGE.
After I shot him in the face, I lovingly cleansed his cadaver following religious custom before dumping it in the sea. Don't I get some credit for that?
The system is the problem not the people.., look around.., read the history of USA and EU.., CAPITALISM is the US and EU social economic and political sysytem.., therefore for last 60 years US and EU are at wars with al most every nations on this earth. This world is not belongs to capitalism.., this earth is belongs to people.., it could be shard but not under the capitalism condistions but it could under the agreement by the people and for the people. in another word.., what the people need is a functioning democracy based on the peoples need and not the system demand.
so they nabbed a CIA asset, or some octogenarian framed as their boogeyman. Bravo to the nabbing. Pooh to the macabre execution in the name of the founding fathers. And in the name of the founding fathers, please allow surviving and disappeared women children neighbors access to the red cross
It still leaves the entire 911 US version open to ridicule. CIA Mossad with significant complicity of the House of Saud in cahoots with ISI renegades need to be held accountable.
Who cares if they caught him and then killed him, i mean what that was Hitler. i would have made him pay for what he did, what bin laden did was horriable, you would agree with me if your family was in 9/11. you have to take it from there point of view. Yes i know he is a human being, do i think us killing him after we "caught him" Hell yes, point is you got to do what you got to do,