One would think that the effort to downplay the killings of as many as 64 civilians, including a large number of children, would be enough to spark considerable anti-US outrage, but apparently Gen. David Petraeus saw an opportunity to make things even worse, and took it.
In a closed door meeting aimed at explaining why they had killed so many civilians, Gen. Petraeus actually accused parents in the region of burning their own children in an attempt to raise the death count and make the US look bad.
Of course if there is one thing the occupation forces don’t need any help with, it’s looking bad, and the shocking accusation sparked considerable anger amongst the Karzai government. It was quickly dismissed by provincial officials, of course, but did immeasurable damage to US credibility on the matter of the rising civilian toll.
The US has a long history of making up ridiculous hypotheticals that might explain away massive civilian death tolls, including the May 2009 Farah Province massacre, in which the US initially claimed the Taliban had “pre-killed” a large number of civilians and stored them in buildings before tricking the US into bombing them, scattering the bodies. They later admitted the claim was entirely made up.
The US has also regularly accused Afghan civilians of “making up” stories of dead relatives in an effort to claim the paltry reparations that the military offers for accidently killing a civilian. This appears, however, to be the first time they actually accused parents of killing their children just to make the US occupation look bad.
Why would they try to raise the body count? when any afghan who is at all familiar with the united states knows nobody here cares or keeps track of how many people are killed.
As everything else is their fault that US is in war with Afghani people, as everything else is their fault when US been burning a country as Iraq destroying its infrastructure, water power and electricity generators and everything else, as everything else is their fault when they shot and killed innocent photographer – news man and many others in Falujah, as everything else is their fault when they lied about WMD and invaded Iraq, as everything else is their fault when US and EU help to keep the tyrant and dictators in power, as everything else is their fault because they don’t listen to a falsified democracy acting as a world police lying to its own people making them poorer then ever before. The US and EU militarism regime is as innocent as these peoples belief in their militarism is, they just been killing people for the sake of their god and belief in a falsified politics called democracy or social democracy. Hence when everything is done and dust is settled they just go home and pray for forgiveness. That is the mission of the mercenaries.
Geez Jamal…. You HIT the nail SQUARE on the HEAD and no thumbs up for you……… Either I'm wrong and what you say is just more blather OR [and what else can it be?]… THE TRUTH HURTS!
You know you are doing a good job when the messenger is neither killed nor heeded….!!
Patreaus is using the Waco excuse. Remember, they started the fire that killed themselves and their children just to make the USG look bad, like it needs help. Actually, Waco has a message to the world and it is. The USG will burn and incinerate its own children, then blame the children. Just think what we, the USG, will do to those in other countries. Then, using the pretend christian doctrine, the USG will declare "we aren't responsible, god told US and/or Satan made US do it, kill your children, but the USG is not responsible. Remember WACO".
Jamal, their god is "a falsified politics called democracy " and they don't even worship it, but just use it as a prop. Petraeus sounds like Col. Kurz in the movie 'Apocalypse Now' descibing how the wicked enemy cut the arms off their vaccinated children. At least in the movie someone decided the storyteller was insane, but not in our world.
"Pray for forgiveness? I think they are rather cashing their checks and polishing their medals.
…surely people have burned their own children to death just to make the US gov't look bad before…Waco? Eventually, we'll start having children just to make the USG look like monsters (if we haven't already). I mean, who'd want li'l milky-smelling anklebiters running around, anyway? Just more people to shoo away from your guns and beer. Soon parents will be on the no-fly list…and it'll serve 'em right!
Insanity and the media is more worried about American Idol
"…surely people have burned their own children to death just to make the US gov't look bad before…Waco?" [!!! 911too..??]
I guess it must be standard procedure for governments and non-governments too……..!!
But can't you see how devilishly sneaky The Enemy is? What with importing frozen child parts from Langley just to spread over our perfectly legitimate military targets -nurseries, for example -cheaper than feeding 'human shields.' Or selling us 'terrorists' for five grand a head that didn't really 'terrorize.' Don't buy used cars from those people! …gotta watch those shifty-eyed enemy-types.
As if the US needs help to look bad. This has to be the lamest propaganda attempt by anyone I know, lamer than Mubaraks attempt to stay in power and than Baghdad Bob.
The Regime in the US is broke.
Yes, and we all know about the babies being ripped out of incubators in Kuwait and how the Germans cut off the hands of Belgian children and how Iraq's smoking gun was to be a mushroom cloud… while I obviously can't verify or debunk this particular story, it has the stench of sensationalist- and desperate- propaganda about it, just as the other 'events' I mentioned- all of which were factual only in the sick mind of the propagandist who dreamed them up. If Petraeus can't come up with anything better than this he'd be better off just keeping his mouth shut. Sure, go ahead and lie to us- but at least have the decency to make it sound believeable.
General's propaganda is aimed at Fox crowd, religious fanatics and other Zombies. Every Zombie in the "free" world will believe the Nazi General, many will "volunteer" as cannon fodder to "civilize" the "savages" aka subhumans. Goebbels would've been proud.
So when are Americans going to get a clue and rise up?
Not until they are as impoverished and abused as the people of North Africa. We may live to see that day.
"So when are Americans going to get a clue and rise up?"
When the money runs out. Which started in 2008, and is now accelerating. Look at Wisconsin.
I'd like to say that the tumult is about freedom, but I have to be a realist: it's about money. It's always about money. Mubarak and his crowd quite simply looted the country. The same in Tunisia, and in Bahrain. When the kleptocrats are stealing EVERYTHING, they take any chance at a decent future from every young person in the country. The youth demographic and the theft of their hope for the future is what's behind the rebellion.
By the way, nobody comes to the US for the "freedom". They come for the chance to get rich.
From Denmark 35 women soldiers (the largest number of women soldiers yet) have just gone to Afghanistan to civilize the savages. Indeed, Dr. Goebbels would have been proud. They are all brainwashed by Associated Press. They are all bloody fools, as General Harbottle once told me, referring to the people in the Pentagon. But generally, when they blindly believe the propaganda, they are bloody fools.
Does anyone now have any doubts about why the rest of the world refers to us as "Stupid Americans"? Do we really need another excruciatingly obvious example to hammer the point home?
Sadly, yes. Yes we do…many more.
Your lame General, You were lame in Mosul your lame now
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.surely people have burned their own children to death just to make the US gov't look bad before…Waco? "
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Yes, and quite sure that sort of reasoning was invented by our own government to excuse the military and several other alphabet agencies from the blame of all the men, women, and children at Waco. Oh yes, David Koresh burned the kids, just like the afghans, Iraqis or anyone else the government attacks. How utterly ridiculous and contrary to all the facts, however repeated enough times the majority of Americans actually believed it- just like the majority will probably believe betrayus.
HEMMT hit by RPG in Afghanistan (RAW) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af4_1298285704
Short clip of an enormous US military vehicle being hit by a RPG. What is relevent to civilian casualties is as the camera zooms out at the end you see it is taking place in a traffic jam of civilian vehicles.
Can't figure this move out…Patraeus is not an ignorant man. He may be guilty of inflating/deflating numbers to Congress in order to get something he wants to further the empire building but this kind of obvious fabrication is a real stretch. There was nothing to gain for his making this statement – it just doesn't compute. Perhaps Patraeus doesn't want to wait until the "end of the year" to get out of his posting…
This is the kind of statement even the Faux News automatons will have a problem buying.
"There was nothing to gain for his making this statement"
there is also nothing to lose, since when has lying to americans or congress had any detrimental effect on ones career.
It is the telling of the truth that has a detrimental effect on one's career. Lying results in promotions.
If a lie is outrageous enough, it corrupts the person who lets it go. E.g., What's happening to Obama as he doesn't act on things like this? He's been complicit for a long time exactly because of whoppers like this. What happens to Americans, generally, as they buy into the absurdities of which this is only a fresh illustration? The lie is big enough; the liar is less accountable for telling it than his sucker is for believing. Intentional or not, that's part of a Big Lie's payoff.
Sounds like Petraeus wants out so he's pulling a Mchrystal (sp?). Too bad these guys aren't honest and honorabe to simply say "this is an immoral, futile war and I want no part of it."
To say so is unchristian. The "I'm not responsible, god told me to do it and/or Satan made me do it but I'm not responsible"!This is the christian doctrine preached by the pretend christians.
I agree, but the world is so crazy who can tell? My theory: McChrystal saw he's was being set up as the fall guy for failure in Afghanistan, so he punched his own ticket out. Petraeus is the new designated fall guy. It's a two-fer for Obama: Petraeus takes the loss and any notion of him running for Pres in 2012 dies with it. I absolutely guarantee that Obama will not remove him from command in Afghanistan, no matter what he does or says, before mid-October 2012.
Obama's some kind of piece of work,as well. So-called lower orders of life are rightly offended by comparisons to these two.
Just when I think I've heard it all comes another gem from the American Spin Maestro,General Petraeus. But hey, what more can and should one expect from that Great Intellectual Wasteland?
When are we going to stop these evil people? It's as if psychopathy is a requirement for top positions in Western governments.
How else can the atrocities committed by the USE/MIC, United States Empire/Mafia Industrial Complex,be explained except that it has to be executed with psychopaths. Anyone whom thinks this is a Republic any more is watching too much FAUX news. The Reagan happy talk, sociopathic, psychopathic, psychobabble propaganda to instill this society with mindlessness is the culmination of the Manufacturing Consent doctrine started in the 1920's by Walter Lippman. Society has been taken over by psychopathic and the evidence is in what is done by the USE/MIC. An individual doing such criminal conduct would be illegal. For the USG to do them is just as illegal except the politicians will not indict themselves or its henchmen, like Patraeus.
Sounds to me like he's (Petraeus) has been getting PR advice from the Israelis…. that's the kind of twisted replies they usually come out with..
ambigous deniability,(in the vanucular dis-ingenious)from un-impeachable sources i might ad,oo,being whoss thare all ,,,how U say not available for "comment,,,that just about proves,ya kno the case for _ ?
kinda like blowing your "" own skyscrappers up,can't ya see the logic in that Dr.Strange luV
The immediate follw-up question should have been: "Then tell us General, how is it possible to defeat a people who are willing to burn up their own children just to make us "look bad"?"
It is a requirement. You might be able to sneak in if you're just a sociopath.
In waging war against Afghanistan, compare the Soviet generals to the U.S. generals. After years of futile warfare the Soviet generals met with Gorbechev and said that the war is NOT winnable. Gorgechev then ordered the troops to withddraw. Contrast that with the behavior of Mcchrystal, Petraeus and Obama.
Petraeus had little credibility with me before, but now he has zero. That story is right out of the Vietnam War playbook where the US invented absurd stories about the Vietnamese using their small children as suicide bombers in order to kill American soldiers. The same type of fools who today watch Fox News believed that crap then and will uncritically believe Patraeus now.
Can this be a case of self projection? I am pretty sure that in a cave somewhere in Afghanistan right now there are probably discussing how "The U.S. government blew up 3000 of its own children using commercial airplanes to make the people of the Middle East look bad".
Petraeus is the darling of the ZionCons and has been hobnobbing with them for far too long. Anybody who hobnobs with a hypocritical, blatant "human rights" fraud like Elie Wiesel has no business commanding American troops.
That is why his "comment" sounds more like the usual zionist excuse than like an American.
late 19th century:
"I believe that the heaviest blow ever dealt at liberty's head will be dealt by this nation the United States in the ultimate failure of its example to the earth." — Charles Dickens
early 20th century:
"America is a mistake, admittedly a gigantic mistake, but a mistake nevertheless." — Sigmund Freud (c. 1905)
mid 20th century:
"The United States is evil … it is the canker of the world. A single nation that has succeeded in lowering the intelligence, the morality, the quality of the human race almost throughout the globe is a phenomenon never before experienced since the beginning of time. I accuse the United States of being in a constant state of crime against humanity … Catholicism has made man stupid, but it has not degraded him; it has introduced as many good and beautiful things as bad things. The United States have simply degraded humanity. Catholicism has done less harm in two thousand years than the United States in two hundred." — Henry de Montherlant (Chaos and Night, 1963)
early 21st century:
"The United States is evil. It has to be brought down, it has to be eliminated from the world scene. They are the ones who have made the world the hell that it is." — Bobby Fischer (broadcast on Russian radio in 2008)
All these American tactics come out of the Israeli manual.
All so vividly shown when US vetoed the UN settlements resolution the US is completely under the influence of Israeli idiots. You can't even call them pro israel as they are doing Israel damage as well as the US.
Israel is heavily into drones so obviously the more drones sold the better.
Yet its web sites such as this who more often than not censor material critical of the criminal US/Israel alliance that this state of affairs will continue.
Burning their own children? I bet they put on funny red jump suits and wear ram horns on their heads as they stoke the fires.
Petraeus, you are "a ass and a idiot." (My apologies to Dickens.)
Burning their children inorder to accuse US of killing civilians? shame on Petraeus, if the US imploy such MF idoits to their army it is shame on US, a country waiving the flags of Democracy and Human rights. US army (bastard terrorists in military uniforms) claiming of bringing demoracy and peace to the world, infact they are mass killing the humans in order to reach their goals.
It's a bit like the Palestinians. I am assured they they don't actually exist, and that I have been brainwashed into thinking they do.
The thing is, some of these people hate Americans and of course Israelis so much that they will literally appear from who-knows-where – make themselves stateless and deny themselves all rights **just** to make the Israelis look bad. This is what we are up against. Just keep pumping all the money at our protectors. It's not a racket.