Following through on last week’s angry rejection of a UN Security Council resolution calling for an international probe into the attack against aid workers on board the Mavi Marmara, Israel has rejected efforts to organize a joint commission of Israel, the US and Turkey into the incident.
“Israel has the ability and the right to investigate itself, not to be investigated by any international board,” insisted Michael Oren, Israel’s Ambassador to the United States.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu added that any investigation into the killings would have to maintain “Israel’s national interests as well as those of the Israel Defense Forces.” He insisted that the Israeli probe will center around who organized and funded the “extremist” aid ship.
The commission was to be headed by former New Zealand Prime Minister Geoffrey Palmer. The United States had expressed support for an international probe but it is unclear if they will follow through with it against Israel’s wishes, as administration officials have declined to criticize Israel for the killings.
Israel maintains that there was a secret conspiracy to implicate them in the killings, involving 50 Turkish soldiers secreted away in the ships hold, heavily armed with grenades and weapons. The claim is widely reported as fact within the Israeli press, though the lack of any such weapons or soldiers on board makes the claim rather far-fetched. At least eight Turkish civilians and one American were among the slain, and despite claims that everyone on board was a “terrorist” in league with al-Qaeda Israel released every survivor without charging anyone with a crime.
I could find no referance to anyone claiming that 50 Armed soldiers were on the ship and your link does not exist. 404 error
the link seems to have been fixed. The only problem is that it now links to another article by the same reporter. So he can only reference himself to his claims. Why? because he made them up
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=17744…
ummm. the other article has this link which explains…you dummy.
Kind of like how Al Jazeera inflated the number of casualties to 19. It's been seen for 2000 years what no Jewish state means for the Jews–it isn't pretty. Anti-Zionism is racism.
US already losing interest in Gaza Flotilla Attack by Israel:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/52486
One wonders whether the Rachel Corrie was deliberately separated and delayed to provide a capping anticlimax to the violent attack on the Turkish ship, which was patently premeditated?
Yes, one wonders. Only one. You
Incidentally, how many Brazilian commandos were aboard the Gaza Flotilla?
US sanctions against Iran then, as Merkel and Medvedev seem to have now agreed?
So the Spectacle and its narratives move on. Or do they?
By the way, anyone know the name of Vladimir Putin's German Shepherd?
Ah, it's a black Lab named Koni.
Re:
“jack
June 6th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I could find no referance to anyone claiming that 50 Armed soldiers were on the ship and your link does not exist. 404 error”
Jack,
Try this link to the jerusalem post: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177618
Expect JP to announce enriched uranium was also discovered on the humanitarian aid ship.
Obama's regime media will help spread the propaganda.
Still no reference to armed soldiers.
But can I ask if anyone has any evidence to counter the claims that mercinaries were on board the ship? Because these claims seem to have a little bit of eveidence to support them
So guy… Let me paraphrase what you are saying: "there are no links supporting that Israel claims there were armed mercenaries on the ship." Even though Llud's link provides those claims.
But astonishingly you go on to say there is quite a bit of evidence supporting those claims!
You make no sense. You are arguing that we don't have the evidence backing up those claims were made, but then you directly contradict yourself by using those exact claims as evidence that there might have in fact been armed mercenaries…
Just like the rest of your arguments, you make no sense, and you are full of contradictions.
I am an Orthodox Jew against Zionism FYI. We are many more than AIPAC would like you to believe. http://www.nkusa.org/
ummm..maybe because the Israeli government let EVERYBODY GO! LMAO. Wow… Zionists will go to any lengths to deny reality.
The lack of evidence is in this case evidence enough that there were no mercinaries on the ship. Israel hasn't produced any weapons, body armour or even the mercinaries themselves.
"The establishment of spectacular domination is seemingly a social transformation so profound that it has radically altered the art of government. This simplification, which has quickly borne such fruit in practice, has not been fully comprehended theoretically. Old prejudices everywhere contradicted, precautions become useless, and even the traces of scruples from other times still hinder this comprehension, which practice establishes and confirms every single day, in the thinking of quite a number of rulers. Not only are the subjugated made to believe that, essentially, they are still living in a world which in fact disappeared, but the rulers themselves sometimes suffer from the thoughtlessness of still believing in it. They come to believe in a part of what they have suppressed, as if it remained a reality and had still to be included in their calculations. This delay will not last long. Those who have achieved so much so easily must necessarily go further. One must not believe that those who have not quickly understood the pliability of the new rules of their game and its form of barbaric grandeur will durably maintain themselves like an archaism in the surroundings of real power. The destiny of the spectacle is certainly not to end in enlightened despotism.
We must conclude that a change is imminent and ineluctable in the co-opted cast who manage the domination and, notably, those who direct the protection of that domination. In such an affair, the novelty of course will never be displayed on the stage of the spectacle. It will only appear like
lightning, which we know only when it strikes…."
Guy Debord [tr.N-BKK]
Allowing Israel to investigate the attack on the flotilla is like asking Charlie Manson to investigate the Sharon Tate killings.
Israel is slowly sinking into the abiss. It almostt makse me think that the end is truely coming. Netanyahu fits my idea of what the antichrist must be like. Look in his eyes. They are so evil. He is a real killer who would have no compunction to use Israeli atomic weapons against anyone including the USA.
Yes, his eye are evil….
God your nuts
Guy, I appreciate different points of view for discussion on here. In fact, I commend and welcome it.
However, now you are just so mad and nuts yourself that you can not even spell correctly or write legibly.
For example, what is it about God's nuts that you would like to discuss? You make no sense?
No…they are evil because they killed 9 humanitarian activists trying to show support for Gaza and the plight of the Palestinians left to rot their by the US and Israeli governments. Is that better?
More lies and propaganda, the video could have been anything anywhere at anytime!
this was an official IDF channel that released the vid
considering the source and the vid itself it is certainly more lies for
justifying criminal behavior.
A man breaks into your house. You protect yourself and attack him. He fights back and kills you. When questioned by the authorities he says that he was acting in self defence when he killed you because you attacked him. The authorities then let the killer investigate his actions to find out if he was acting appropriately! Guess how the investigation turns out.
Like the Mari Marmara was breaking into the house of Israel. Those IHH criminal thugs got what was coming for them.
It's really instructive to observe the outbreak of trolls everytime Israel does something evil.
Obama had to be in on the assault. Had to be. US and Israeli military are too closely tied for that not to be the case, and it's impossible to think that Rahm Emanuel didn't talk to Netanyahu and others about this, essentially giving Israel the green light to commit a massacre.
I think there were many reasons for this, but one important one, I suspect, was to see how the world and the US public would react to a stituation where Israel committed an assault, obviously with US green light – would the world make the connection? Or would they believe that Israel did it all on its own? The answer bodes very very ill. Clearly the world is willing to buy the obvious lie that the US knew nothing about it.
However you explain it, the Israeli Right Wing has been moving mountains to get rid of Emanuel since even before Obama took office.
It is also clear that the attack on the Turkish ship was premeditated, including the killings.
But surely this was presented to Obama as a fait accomplit, not cleared beforehand.
The modus operandi is another Netanyahu Meta-Spectacular Manipulation.
Also, however weak Obama's response it is not enough for the Israeli Right Wing and AIPAC who are demanding the whole nine yards, as Biden so quickly gave them.
It is also almost certain that Netanyahu clears nothing with Emanuel.
The differences may not be significant but there are differences. How it will work is still another issue.
On verra.
Remember that Rahm is an Israeli citizen and the son of an Irgun terriorist. Can the "second coming " be far away? Ask your friendly Christian Fascist congressperson.
Of course, the real goal here is an attack on Iran. Pushing Turkey into the 'bad guy' corner also helps Israel/US attack Iran, now that Israel seems to have become an obstacle to war. How does the victim of Israel's assault become the bad guy? Massive propaganda. It's becoming more and more clear now that the Bloody Monday Massacre was fundamentally a propaganda operation. The whole thing was designed to 1) create a bloody incident and 2) use propaganda to turn it on its head (blame the victims, etc.), not only creating a means to paint Turkey as the bad guy, but also tessting out how well the propaganda pipeline will work during the attack on Iran.
"It's becoming more and more clear now that the Bloody Monday Massacre was fundamentally a propaganda operation."
Right on target.
Homicide for headlines, followed by intense Straussian mind games–as they now have to play here as well.
Curiously enough, that is a sign of their weakness.
Also, by heightening righteous anger in the Middle East against itself, Israel serves another key purpose, which is to lay the groundwork for their pivot from the attack on Iran to a ruthless war against Lebanon and Gaza and the West Bank and Syria. Remember, Israel will attack first, but the US will step in tag team style and Israel will concentrate on its neighbors. This will be the war to reshape the Middle East, and it is obviously going to be a very, very bloody affair. DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING BUT TOTALLY BIASED REPORTING ON THE IRAN WAR.
The biased reporting we have seen on IRan up till now will look balanced in comparison.
" to lay the groundwork for their pivot from the attack on Iran to a ruthless war against Lebanon and Gaza and the West Bank and Syria."
That is surely the Israeli Right Wing plan. But it may backfire.
Is there any opposition?
And what is the name of Putin's German Shepherd–anyone know?
I really having trouble believing the US wants another war. They can't manage the ones they have. All that is really left the US is to start dropping nukes on people. We all know the US would never do such an evil thing….ummm…oh sh$t. We are screwed.
i am planing to attack you
i know after i attack you, you will want to harm me
there for…
my first attack was preemptive defense against your future retaliation!
its all so perfectly logical
The Israeli Right Wing made "Do unto to othersbefore they do unto you their main Realpolitik long before Netanyahu.
just so you can understand israeli mentality go to youtube…type "we con the world"…i guess this will speak for itself
Bulgakov lives:
"Koni, full name Connie Paulgrave, was born in 1999 at a cynology centre of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in Noginsk, where she was to be trained as a search and rescue dog. Koni's parents are Henrietta Bush (mother) and Alkor Ross Bradford (father). Alkor Ross Bradford had hereditary lines to a Labrador once owned by Leonid Brezhnev, the one-time General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There are rumours, although it is not confirmed, that Koni was named after Condoleezza Rice. In December 2000, Koni was presented to Vladimir Putin as a gift from the Minister of Emergency Situations, Sergey Shoigu.
In the morning of 7 December 2003, the day of the Russian legislative election, Koni gave birth to eight pups.[1] One of the pups, named Darina, was given to a pensioner in Novozolotovka, Neklinovksy District of Rostov Oblast. Another pup, named Oscar, was given to a six-year old girl in Smolensk. Two pups were given to then-President of Austria Thomas Klestil as a symbol of Austrian–Russian friendship. The two pups are now with the late-Klestil's wife Margot Klestil-Löffler, who as the Austrian ambassador to the Czech Republic has the dogs living with her in Prague. Klestil-Löffler says that the two dogs, named Olya and Orhi have helped her deal with her husband's death. Another of Koni's pups is employed by rescue services in Vladikavkaz in North Ossetia-Alania."
wikipedia
Interesting–about one million of Israel's "population" are native Russian-speakers, and of those about one third are considered non-Jews by the rabbinical judges of that category.
50 Turkish soldiers in the ship hold…..bla bla bla
Israeli intel press and Bibi are smoking good Ganjja
slobodan milsovich, and mussolini , adolf hitler put entire nations into genocidal trance. Its now Bibis turn and they have a right to avenge their lost pride. Sociopaths rule, we all bleed.
"put entire nations into genocidal trance"
That's exactly what Antiwar.com would accomplish if an entire nation imbibed its sinister distortions on a daily basis. The seething readership here is testament to its ability to achieve its objective on a relatively small scale.
Many nations are already in a Jew-hating "genocidal trance", largely because of the skewed perspective their media provide its masses. The international campaign to demonize, dehumanize, and make targets out of Jews has been underway for decades, and is quickly gaining momentum. With its obsessive focus on Israel's "evil" nature, Antiwar.com does its part to pave the way for another genocide.